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How Young Are the 2011 Royals?

Baseball-reference keeps a nice team stat called weighted age, that's basically a team's average age, weighted by playing time. Thus, a young guy who is on the team and never plays won't move the needle much.

So how young are the 2011 Royals?

As young as advertised, as it turns out. Starting with the hitters, we see that the Royals' average age of 26.9 is the youngest in the American League. In fact, this is the youngest group of position players in baseball as well. For a point of reference, the AL average for position players is 29.2, which is also, oddly, the MLB average (the NL is a tenth of a year younger, if you really care). Curiously, the AL Central is a young division. Minnesota has had the next youngest lineups (at 28.0), followed by the Tribe (28.4) and the Tigers (28.5). The Royals have also sent out the youngest pitching staff in the Major Leagues, with an average age of 26.1. Cleveland is second youngest, with an average age of 26.5.

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The standard response would be somthing along the lines of "cool, the youth movement truly has begun." And indeed, with the high-profile promotions of Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas, along with a number of mid-profile young pitchers, that is the case. In some ways however, the Royals are less young than they are not old, if you catch my drift. Players such as Jeff Francoeur and Melky Cabrera have no long-term future with the Royals (at least on their current contracts) but they are nevertheless relatively young players. Given their stop-gap roles on the team, they could just as easily be 33 or 32, but instead they are both under 27 years old. Conversely, Sean O`Sullivan probably doesn't have much of a future with the team, but he is 23 and the Royals can pretty much keep him under contract for the next half decade, if they wanted to.

In baseball, as in horses and in mathematics, it is better to be young than old. However, there is shockingly little variation amongst baseball teams in this regard. A "young" team has an average age of 26 or 27 an older team might hit 30 in some years (basically depending on how old the Yankees are at any particular moment). It'll be interesting to see how young the Royals averages can get by season's end. The youngest recent group of position players I've found are the 2006 Marlins, who got down to 25.6 in their attempt to field only players making around league minimum. That Marlins team is also the youngest pitching staff of the last five years, with an average age of 25.9.

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It would seem like a more appropriate judge of "youth"

as in “developing players with potential” would be number of years of team control remaining. The idea being that actual age is not as good of a judge of team “youth” as MLB experience would be. Some teams may have quite a few 25-28 year olds on the roster who have only been in MLB for a year or two. Whereas other teams may have lots of guys in that same age range that have been in the majors for years (i.e. Butler, Francoeur, etc.).

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 13, 2011 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

"Shockingly little variation"

With a 25 man team, a team that has an average age of 26 is collectively 100 years younger than a team that has an average age of 30. The Royals would have to cut five Eric Hosmers and add five Derek Jeters to move the needle up toward 30.

by kcdc1 on Jun 13, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Redundant

It seems that just about every post on this forum these days has a clear cut “diss” on Melky Cabrera and Jeff Francoeur.

by Peterman700 on Jun 13, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't read it then

It’s really not hard.

Edgar knows best.

by kcbottom9th on Jun 13, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only difference is that Kendall is old and bad.....

While Melky and Frenchy are young and decent.

Hating on Melky and Frenchy really doesn’t make a lot of sense…..unless you’re Mitch Maier’s mom.

by kcdc1 on Jun 13, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd just look ridiculous

Dissing a player with 41 RBI and a 142 OPS+ with RISP. I’ll take Melky back right now. Kid is beasting with RISP and he’d be killing the rightfield porch in Yankee Stadium with that lefty swing. He’s a pretty damn good platoon player at .297 with a .505 slug as a LHB.

by Leche Rising on Jun 14, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The diss is hidden in the writing.

Two outfielders are stupid good contracts who will both end up with over 85 RBI’s on a young team.

They have both been “better” than the nerd stats suggest.

by Peterman700 on Jun 14, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I'd still rather have Melky gone,

with Cain in CF. At least Lorenzo can run. Melky is a complete fatass.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 14, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peterman700, stop dissing on Melky and Francouer

I see your diss, it’s hidden in your writing

Two outfielders are stupid good contracts

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 14, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It wasn't a diss

Players such as Jeff Francoeur and Melky Cabrera have no long-term future with the Royals (at least on their current contracts) but they are nevertheless relatively young players. Given their stop-gap roles on the team, they could just as easily be 33 or 32, but instead they are both under 27 years old.

I do think it’s worth noting that Moore’s signing young ‘stopgaps’ this year was no accident. He said at the start of last off-season that he wanted young players that might have a little upside left in them to fill the stopgap roles this year, and then he went and signed young players with a little upside to fill stopgap roles.

by kcdc1 on Jun 14, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He also implied that the old players he’d signed int he past were basically willing to come here, take their money, and not do much for it.

by BlueEyes_Austin on Jun 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Glaring errors, omissions@

Francouer is almost 27 and ½!

Melky runs like he is ancient.

by kansasjohn on Jun 13, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

sadly, the sarcasm font doesn't work in the header line ...

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by upamtn on Jun 13, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is one thing I learned a few months back

saw some regulars putting the @ signs in the headers to avoid misunderstandings.

by kansasjohn on Jun 13, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, gotcha

we’ve gotten away from it quite a bit at AP, but seems like here on RR sarcasm and irony are almost mandatory

given the consistent state of the team since God knows when, it’s understandable ;-)

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by upamtn on Jun 13, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the constant state pf the Chiefs,

I’m shocked it’s not used in the title of AP

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 14, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

of

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 14, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is really irrelevant

that he doesn’t look pretty running.

by Leche Rising on Jun 14, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more concerned about defensive range & speed.

My perception is that he is not getting to balls that he should get, especially for a 26-year-old centerfielder.

by kansasjohn on Jun 14, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think a 26-year-old should be in his defensive prime (at least until age 30, maybe 32). I’ve seen enough of his jumps the wrong way, hesitation and willingness to let balls drop to know the truth.

by kansasjohn on Jun 14, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't agree with any of this.

He gets good jumps off the ball. He doesn’t have plus plus range, but he’s always been a good instinctive OF with a good first step. He’s gotten off the ball well, and if he turns the wrong way it’s the exception, not the rule. Good on going back to the wall, making a running over the shoulder grab. He’s a solid CF.

by Leche Rising on Jun 14, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is fine for you to like Melky's defense.

Baseball-reference.com has Melky at:

45th worst out of all 47 AL centerfielders (that have played at all – not just regulars) in the Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Average (-8 runs) and

 44th worst out of 47 for BIS Defensive Runs Saved Above Average (-4);

39th out of 44 in fielding percentage (.986);

-.09 for dWAR (the worst of his career); and

and Fangraphs.com lists his UZR/150 at -5.7.

I have been surprised at his offensive numbers (except OBP).

by kansasjohn on Jun 14, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Facts and then this

Nice, oh how I missed you internet today.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Jun 14, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I heard Dayton say that we had the youngest team

at EVERY level of the minors also. I dont have the time nor do I really know where to go for this information. However, I find it fascinating (if true) that we have the youngest team all ALL levels. Can someone verify that this is indeed correct? Thanks.

by ynotbarealtor on Jun 14, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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