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Kauffman Stadium - A Visitor's Perspective

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Hi again Royals Review faithful.  I came by back in late April, asking you fine locals for advice and suggestions about Kansas City food, and Kauffman Stadium, for a Midwest baseball park road trip I recently made, encompassing KC as well as St. Louis.  And as promised, I return to RR, with tales of my adventures through Kansas City, and experience at Kauffman Stadium, with lots of shoddy photography, snark, some compliments, and an overall lame attempt at being witty and charming.  But firstly, let me say thanks to everyone who gave me tons of great suggestions for dining and ideas of things to do/see in KC, because a lot of this trip wouldn't have been as enlightened without your contributions.  Thank you.

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To say that my road trip revolved mostly around eating like a pig, mostly pigs and other livestock, would be somewhat of an understatement; I love food, trying out new regional food, and I have a strict rule that on these road trips, no food that I know can be acquired on a regular basis in Atlanta is allowed for consumption.

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After landing and picking up my rental car, the first place I had on my agenda was Stroud's.  Pat yourself on the back if you suggested and/or vouched for Stroud's, because the pan-fried chicken was everything as advertised, and completely delicious.  In fact, it was one of those Starbucks moments, when a barista accuses you of having the contaminated tastebuds from a lifetime of eating inferior chickens from KFCs, Church's, or other fast-food fried chicken joints, because I knew I was eating some truly fresh and delicious chicken, but the fact that it wasn't super salty or guiltily greasy was almost unusual.  But I knew better, but it was still humorous.

Also, as pictured, the portions are absolutely ridiculous - that's listed as one dinner.  But in actuality, that's like 2-3 dinners for me, depending on how hungry I am.  The cottage fries were like crack, and I had to physically move the plate onto another table to prevent myself from filling up on starch for the rest of the day's food plans.  But for the record, Stroud's was a total win, and on the statistical food WPA meter, I'd give it a solid +0.267.  Anyone who warned me about how Stroud's would more or less fill you up for the day, was right.

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Regardless, since I was so close to it, there was no way I was going to proceed going into downtown, without going to Oklahoma Joe's first.  KC lauds itself on its barbecue, and I do love me all sorts of barbecue, and the Z-Man came with such great recommendation from many of you, that I could not pass this up.  I got there at roughly noon on the dot, and this was the line that was already there and stretched outside the door.  I couldn't help but notice the cars with Minnesota plates on them, and then it dawned on me all the Mauer, Morneau, and other Twins fans that were all over the place; this was kind of like an unfortunate omen for the rest of my day.

Since I was more or less on a schedule, and the EST to CST conversion made me realize that the Royals game was going to start an hour earlier than expected, it occurred to me that I didn't have as much time during the day as I would have liked, so I took some drastic measures, and phoned in an order to OK Joe's, and was delighted to find out that my wait would now be 15 minutes instead of god-knows how long it would have taken to wait out the line entirely.

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The Z-man was good, but I'll admit I was a little disappointed by it.  I bet if I purchased onions rings separately, I would have been blown away by how flavorful they were, but shoved into a sandwich's real estate, at what appears to be at the cost of more brisket doesn't seem like a trade I'd be willing to make in future samplings.  The onion rings were a little overpowering, and the sauce, as good as it may have been, combined with the rings, essentially drowned out all flavor of the brisket.  But for $7, the portion is still generous, it tastes good, and regardless, I'd still love to give OK Joe's another shot someday.

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I really wish I were allowed to take pictures inside of it, but I understand how museums are, so there are no pictures of inside.  It's a magnificent museum overall, and despite the fact that it was more or less overrun by Twins fans all doing their own tourist thing, I was still able to enjoy what little exhibits I was adamant about not moving out of the way of until I had my fill of it. 

I must have spent about five minutes standing behind the bronze statue of Josh Gibson, pretending to be an umpire, and doing my best caught-looking strikeout moves, from the chainsaw, WTF arm, to the Tom Hallion tiger uppercut.  And then I picked up an Indianapolis Clowns t-shirt in honor of Hank Aaron's one-time tenure with them, before he was picked up by the Boston Braves.

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One more food stop before heading to Kauffman, and that would be Arthur Bryant's, which happened to be conveniently down the street from where the Negro League's Museum was.  I was pleased with how much parking and how easy it was to get to.  The two homeless people eating ribs while sitting right out front was a nice touch too.  Inside, there was yet another line of people, obviously indicating that there was some quality to be had here.  It moved quickly, which was nice, and I ordered a plate of short-end ribs and a Boulevard.

On their own, the ribs were very good.  Nice smoky flavor, not soft and mushy, with a good bit of chew to them.  Two of the three Arthur Bryant sauces at the table were good, but I really, really didn't like the hot and spicy.  It had the consistency of chalk, and pretty much tasted like it too.  It wasn't really that hot either, and I had to drown the next rib I ate with one of the other sauces to get the flavor of the hot out of my mouth.  Otherwise, with the exception of the bad hot sauce, Arthur Bryant's was pretty good too.

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Finally, I made my way to Kauffman, since I really wanted to take my time and walk around the whole park, and I too, wanted my Willie Wilson bobblehead.  I would like to mention the courtesy of the parking staff at being so efficient at ushering cars into their parking spaces, and not being nearly as lazy as ushers in many of the other parks I've been to.  It was easy to park, and at just $10, one of the more economical parking lots in MLB.

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I ran into Ape-Man while picking up my tickets at will-call.  Considering it was like 97 degrees on this day, that felt more like 107 at times, I have to imagine that Ape-Man may have died on this day.  But I hope that such is not the case, as I was amused by him, and grateful for his willingness to pose and be awesome for the camera.

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Apparently Willie Wilson bobblehead day was a good draw, as I've learned that bobbleheads are for their respective teams.

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The interior walk-ways of Kauffman are spacious, and airy, which is definitely a positive on such a hot day.  The architecture of it is a lot more modern than I would have expected it to have been; as nice as everyone seems to attest Kauffman is, I didn't expect it to look this modern.

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The Royals' team store is one of the nicest in baseball, from my experiences.  Not a Wal-Mart like Boston, the Starship Enterprise like in Toronto, or hardly existent like some of Atlanta's old team stores, it was big, not cluttered, well-staffed, and so graciously well air-conditioned.  I really wanted a shirt with the "Kansas City" away script on it, and despite seeing many people wearing such shirts throughout the park, the team store didn't sell them.  I guess they're outdated or something.  But I do give credit to KC for actually having t-shirts for key relief pitchers; I have an affinity for relievers, and it pained me, and ultimately my wallet, that the Braves stores don't carry Jonny Venters t-shirts; his 95 mph lefty sinker is pretty much the greatest pitch since the Rivera cutter, and I'm relegated to spending $40 to custom order a shirt for him.  So kudos to KC for having Crow and Soria shirts, in several varieties, ready for purchase to fans of the relievers.

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But severe red flag for this display.  Opposing team merch, inside the official team store?  Don't like it, one bit.  I suppose Kauffman's privately owned land essentially negates bootleg vendors and other outlets that typically would carry opposing team merch within reasonable walking distance, but to see it so readily available inside the park kind of disheartens me.  I know there were a lot of Twins fans in attendance, but I can't say I've ever seen opposing team merch being sold at any park before.

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But anyway, back to the park itself, I really have nothing bad to say about Kauffman Stadium.  It's always been held with such high regard to ballpark travelers like myself, and I'm hard pressed to disagree with anything anyone's ever had to say about the place.  I love the big scoreboard, and the crown on top.

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I also love that if KC is the city of fountains, that Kauffman has gone to such lengths to live up to that reputation by representation at the ballpark itself.  I always appreciate when ballparks honor the region/city's culture and/or reputation with touches like the fountains.  Otherwise, you end soulless and culture-less like Tropicana Field.

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Even amusing the childrens, Kauffman does it right there too.  I was tempted to stop and play some mini-golf, but the greens were all pretty packed in their own right, but instead of goofy hamster tunnels and arcades full of broken machines, kids at Kauffman can entertain themselves will what appears to be well-manicured, physical activities that the grown-ups can enjoy as well.

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Ultimately, I ended up sitting; I was seated closer to the front part of the upper deck, but with the sun beating down as hard as it was all day, I retreated way up into the shade of the nosebleed area.  I never have problems watching baseball from such heights, and even back in Atlanta, my preferred area is up where it's quieter, less occupied, and for me, more relaxing.  This was the same case, not to mention all the Twins fans that were around where my ticketed seats were.

Again, I must reiterate how Kauffman is simply one of the more pleasant parks in baseball.  Kauffman's skyline doesn't need to have a pretty skyline of the city, an arch, or a bay to make it impressive, because the park itself is pretty enough.  In fact, it's actually better that the skyline contains nothing but grassy hills and oddly the Christian Athlete's society building only, because it helps the viewer see more of the aesthetic pleasantries that the park itself has to offer.

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Some of you must have known this was going to eventually happen, since I don't hide the fact that I'm an Atlanta Braves guy, but all in the back of my mind when making this trip, it was there, that I was going to see Jeff Francoeur again.  Now I may not present myself as such, but I do like the statistics, and I like to think of myself as a blogger that looks up to a poor man's, drunken younger nephew of Joe Posnanski, in the fact that I like to use a lot of words, try to not be too condescending, but still appreciate the stats.  So that being said, it should be sort of obvious to where my stance on Jeff Francoeur is, and anyone curious enough to dig through my blogging history on SBN might find a glimpse of my 15 minutes of e-sports fame. 

But for what it's worth, I didn't think and still don't think, that Frenchy will have a completely horrendous year for the Royals, and in fact am optimistic that the low-pressure environment of KC is what he needs to gain some confidence again.  From what I gather by my occasional lurking here, is a lot like, well, the story of Francoeur's whole career - liked by a lot of people who typically aren't into stats, and generally treated with indifference or a little bit of disgust by those who see the strikeouts, and poor OBP.  Or are tired of the clichéd leadership and clubhouse presence he brings.

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You guys can blame me partially for this loss.  Because when I saw that Danny Valencia was batting cleanup for the Twins, I thought, and exclaimed, that "there's no way the Royals should lose this game."  I know this goes against all baseball jinxes, but come on, no Mauer, no Morneau, no Thome, no Kubel, and Danny Valencia batting fourth seems like such a joke.

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500 RBI, hmm... 359 of those were from his first four seasons' worth of games playing for the Braves.  Three years seems like a lengthy stretch to have notched the other 140.

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And some things, apparently don't ever change.

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Obligatory field shot.  I spent a good portion of innings 3-6 walking around the park and soaking in all the sights and checking out the field from a variety of angles.  Again, I can't say anything bad about Kauffman Stadium, really.

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It's kind of fitting to me that #500 came on a sac-fly, because as much as a run scored is a good thing, he still made an out in the process.  Forgive me if I'm being a little harsh on Frenchy, it's been a while, and he was just always such an easy target.

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Did I mention that there were a lot of Twins fans in attendance?  All through my travels, I've always noticed certain fanbases that travel well; the Cardinals' fans I've seen often in Atlanta, and as far west as Dodger Stadium.  The Phillies' hordes have been well-documented in overtaking Nationals Park.  Aside from the Yankees/Red Sox problem, I haven't really seen an AL fanbase so well-traveled until I saw just how many Twins fans were willing and able to make the drives from Minnesota to root for the Twins.  I'm actually a little surprised, I guess seeing as how well-mannered and polite most were in Minnesota, how obnoxious they could get while on the road.

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Out of curiosity, since I saw what it was like in Milwaukee, when I visited the Brewers' Miller Park on Robin Yount bobblehead day, I had to check.  And yup, there were already hundreds of Ebay auctions of people already pre-selling their Willie Wilson bobbleheads.  As someone who likes mementos of his travels, you guys can be rest assured that I will be keeping my Wilson bobblehead, and I have already placed him in between Robin Yount and Shin-Soo Choo.

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How's this for a major league debut?  First at-bat, first HBP.  Third at-bat, first hit.  Fourth at-bat, both first walk and first intentional walk.  Fifth at-bat, first strikeout.  How much does it have to suck to be the three batters, batting behind a wet-behind-the-ears rookie?

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Welp, you all know the unfortunate end to this game.  Which kind of sucks, because with the exception of the few times I've seen the Braves on the road, I really do enjoy it when the home team wins, and the home team has been winning at a .833 clip in all of my travels (20-4).  But I can say I still enjoyed the prettiness of the colored fountains during the post-game, in spite of the end result.

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On my way out of town, I stopped by the Gates BBQ in Independence, to get one final meal for the road before I left KC.  Given the proximity of the place to Kauffman, I figured that it would be a shoe-in of a place for Royals fans to come to after a game.  But instead, the place was more or less deserted, with the few people that were there being, yep, Twins fans.  Regardless, I helped myself to a brisket sandwich and an order of onion rings.  Both were fantastic.  Furthermore, the "hot" sauce at Gates was about a million times better than the hot sauce at Arthur Bryant's.

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And my day's visit to Kansas City, and visit to Kauffman Stadium came to a close, when I ended up staying at some roach motel in Kingdom City, where there were blood stains on the comforter, the floor was tacky, and the shower made me feel like I needed to shower.

Food Rankings:

  1. Stroud's - Ridiculous portions for the price, extremely friendly and attentive staff, and fresh chickens
  2. Gates's - Tender, flavorful brisket, good sauces, my favorite BBQ in KC
  3. Arthur Bryant's - Great smoky flavor on the ribs, hot sauce sucked, but the other two were good
  4. Oklahoma Joe's - Z-man sandwich's onion rings and sauce overpowered the brisket, but still great bang for the buck

But overall, Kansas City was an awesome experience full of good food, and Kauffman Stadium is easily in my top-2 American League ball parks.  It's a fantastic cathedral of a park, and take it from a visitor, that you all in Kansas City should be privileged to have such a place for a home park.  It's a shame I didn't see a win for the home team, and as hard as it may believe, considering my potshots at Frenchy, but I was rooting for the Royals to win.

Thanks again to everyone who helped this traveler out on his quest to visit all the MLB ballparks.  Kauffman Stadium makes #19 out of 30, and one day I'll sit down and rank them all, but I can confidently say that KC would rank pretty high.  Thanks also to those of you who have taken the time to read my blatherings, and I would love to get feedback, discussion about Jeff Francoeur, or any other comments or criticism, as they are all welcome.

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Great post.

Good to see you had a great time in your whirlwind tour of KC! Next time bail on Kingdom city and stay in Columbia, or Boonville.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 14, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeaaah...

Kingdom City was the result of driving as much as I could before getting really sleepy. I blew past Columbia, thinking I was making great time, and that I could make it to somewhere further, but within the next 15 minutes, I hit a wall, whether it be the Itis from the Gates, or the realization that the hour time change had caught up to me, and Kingdom City was the unfortunate end result.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily the urinating contest I wish to participate in

But in Baltimore, yes, yes I have

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not as bad as the Knight's Inn in Phoenix, AZ.

We had to sleep on towels, because there were fleas on the bed, the light wouldn’t turn on, There wasn’t a freaking trash can, one of the previously mentioned towels had a huge ass-stain on it, the couch had some kind of stains on it, you get the idea.

by Jack Marsh on Jun 14, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, there was a trash can. You spent the night in it.

That’s pretty bad.

The worst for me was a place in Iowa (forget the name – it was a long time ago). It was a second floor room, and the gap between the bottom of the door and the floor was so big that you could watch traffic go by on the street outside from a seated position (because you didn’t really want to get close to the floor). Had to get drunk in order to fall asleep that night.

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by aHorseWithNoName on Jun 14, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for visiting, glad you had a good experience

And thanks for confirming that the Royals are, in your experience, the only bush league organization that pimps visiting team merchandise just as much as Royals gear.

I know there were a lot of Twins fans in attendance, but I can’t say I’ve ever seen opposing team merch being sold at any park before.

It was even worse during the Cardinals series this year. There is a smaller team store out by CF, and they actually had Pujols-related stuff more prominently featured in its front window than any Royals gear. Pathetic.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 14, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

In Cleveland

The Indians had vendors selling Stephen Strasburg merch like crazy when the Nationals were in town for Interleague last year, but those were all make-shift stands just outside of the ballpark.

I have to hypothesize that a lot of it has to do with the fact that the Royals or whomever owns all the property surrounding the park, making it privately owned property, makes it difficult for there to be an exterior market for goods, and if there are people willing to buy visiting team swill, may as well keep that money in-house. It’s bonus profit, which is good for the bottom line, but yeah, looks really bad to purists.

ps, love the Cobra-Kai name/avatar combo.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but do any other teams sell opposing team ("rivals" no less) merchandise

during a promotion to allegedly “Keep the K Blue!”? Which was nicely exposed on this blog.

The Royals make plenty of dough by having nearly 100% of the available parking revenue going directly into their coffers. I suspect it was a big part of their reasoning to simply renovate Kauffman rather than build a new park downtown (where more people would be able to park and eat in non-Royals owned property). Any profits that may have been had by offering opposing team merchandise on-site had to be dwarfed by the PR hit they took.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 14, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, can't say I've seen any other parks selling rivalry gear

I’ve been to both parts of O’s/Nats and Cards/Cubs, and aside from mocking, independently made merch, I’ve never seen parks selling the legitimate gear of the opposition before.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not 100% sure,

but a local radio host was talking about this the other day, and said that they only sell opposing merchandise when Minnesota or St. Louis come to town. He was against it because he thinks it’s economically bad for the team in the long run as it encourages local kids to become fans of those teams.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Jun 14, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno- I've been to quite a few parks (17) and a few sell opposing team merchandise

But it’s kindof off to the side in some little shelf with a sign like “series merchandise”

by sterlingice on Jun 15, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad you tried some BBQ

You should definitely give Oklahoma Joes another try sometime, order something different there. Next time you’re in town, you should also try the beans at Jack Stack. They just may be the worlds greatest food. We do indeed have one of, if not the, most beautiful stadiums to be found, unfortunately it’s lacking in pride and is always trying to turn a buck… Something like a gorgeous hooker is our K.

by Prime2U on Jun 14, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

I like Bryant’s the best, but Oklahoma Joes sandwiches are nearly as good. Also, LC’s BBQ – bad area of town – has the best beans I’ve tried in the area.

by stlfan on Jun 15, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

and LC's has THE best Burnt Ends

love Bryant’s … the sauce DOES take some getting used to, though they do now have a few different varieties

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by upamtn on Jun 15, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Kougar

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by labbadabba on Jun 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's always great to hear feedback on our beloved ballpark

Thank you for the visit and thoughts. I truly hope we were gracious hosts on your travels through KC

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by Mas Cervezas on Jun 14, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

KC was great

My only complaint is that I didn’t have the chance to stick around longer!

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great photo blog of your trip!

Glad to hear you liked the food. I’d actually rank the four in exactly the opposite order, but that’s the great thing about KC – the food is so good reasonable minds can disagree on which is the best.

I’ve always wondered why the Negro League Baseball Museum doesn’t have a huge store of merchandise. Its hard to find good Negro League memorabilia and you’d think it would sell like hotcakes.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 14, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Was actually disappointed in the merch store

The Clowns shirt I purchased was one size too large, because they simply didn’t have any of my particular size, and I was adamant about not leaving empty handed. Otherwise, I have to agree that the size and general amount of things they could be selling was a bit on the sparse side.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that with Bob Kendrik coming back that it will turn around.

They are just so full of missed opportunities. I think there is a lot of affection for the NLBM here in town, but it has not been good, especially recently, of capitalizing on that affection and turning it into increased traffic and increased income. In fact, I’d say it has hampered it greatly. My aunt got me a membership last year for Christmas and it took them months to straighten it all out and send me the membership info instead of her, and then they did nothing with it all year. The point of having a membership is to have this core group to tap for resources and free publicity, and they did neither since I never heard from them after I got my initial packet.

by Gross(est) on Jun 14, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really nice summary with great pictures

For what it’s worth, I’d go with the basic pulled pork next time at Oklahoma Joes. I think you’ll be very pleased. I think they’re trying to do too much in the Z-man.

by KSinDC on Jun 14, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

I can feel my arteries constrict just looking at the ZMan, but I love OKie Joes basic sandwiches. Still love Gates best, probably just because it’s what we always ate growing up.

by Gross(est) on Jun 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope one day I can...

return the favor on a trip to the ATL…I think its cool it seems like you plan to go on promo days so as to attain a random souvenir and not spend any extra dough

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by PhattStairs on Jun 14, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Believe it or not

It was purely coincidental, going to Willie Wilson bobblehead night. The trip was initially predicated on seeing the other side of the Cubs/Cards rivalry in St. Louis, and this particular weekend was one of the only weekends where we could see both parks in two days.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have driven through ATL once in my life, and it ranks as one of the top 5 most miserable experiences in my life.

We drove straight from Pittsburg Kansas to Orlando Florida only stopping for gas. And we hit Atlanta at morning rush hour, it was awful, just staggeringly bad traffic. And then we had to get gas whilst in Atlanta. We stopped at a place with either a built in Burger King or in the same parking lot, and us being the really white suburban South Eastern Kansas who obviously weren’t from around there got some pretty rough looks from some “urban” fellows.

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by averagegatsby on Jun 17, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I'm REALLY hungry!!!

Great write-up – glad you had a good time. Come back if/when you get the chance!

Also, I took the time to read most of your other stadium reviews. They’re nicely done as well!

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by aHorseWithNoName on Jun 14, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

Appreciate the efforts in reading my other reviews and visits, it’s almost always a pleasure to get to visit all other ballparks in baseball.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Boston/Fenway Wal-Mart comparison

I was there in April. The store is huge. They had hundreds of different Boston hats (no Royals gear at all).

by kansasjohn on Jun 14, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Mr. Hobbs - great write-up!

Of course now you’ve given me a reason to go to Toronto. Starship Enterprise!!!!!! Awesome!

by Gross(est) on Jun 14, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Granted it's been a few years

But my recollection of Toronto’s team store was that of like the inside of a Foot Locker, with everything in chrome trim, and back lighting, but yeah, I think Starship Enterprise is a fair analogy for what it’s like in there. I’m not saying it’s bad or anything, but a little oddly uncharacteristic.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 15, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sense that you are playing to your audience

but i don’t care. I love it. Thanks for ragging on the Twins fans. Did you see the 4 asshats with the matching $5 walmart brooms?

That was an impressive amount of food in one day. Gates does have the best sauce (imo, though LCs is great too). You seem like a sauce guy.

Glad you made it to the Negro League’s museum. Been a few years since I’ve been there, I should go back.

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by sfeldkamp on Jun 15, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting -

You made it very clear that you weren’t criticizing the fans, in fact you complimented them, yet they still flipped out. Given such reactionary behaviour even on an SBN site, it’s no surprise they segregated the levels.

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by labbadabba on Jun 15, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely skim through (at least) the Sox writeup, if nothing else to appreciate how good Kauffman looks in comparison

And while the majority of the comments were understanding of the critique, well, Sox fans are as Sox fans do…
Coming soon:

winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

NEVER come into my house and crap on my floor, roy, you POS. Now go watch "Gone With The Wind". You guys lost.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

and this (at least he sort of took it back at the end)
my traveling wilbury friend

The cell is home to the greatest baseball team ever and you just took a shit all over it.

It don’t matter if you sit 100 or 500, you are witnessing greatness. White sox baseball. Its black and white.

Perhaps when they gave you that elevator pass it should take you to hell. Yes that’s strong but whatever. I didn’t like your comments about how sox mgt doesn’t give a shit about their fans and all that. I can’t remember one time I had a bad time watching a game at the cell. And no its not because I was drinking, I mean I’m sure I was, but I remember.

Hey I’m just giving you shit. Good luck on the rest of your journey. But just remember that the white sox rule and they have a nice house with the best fans in the city.

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by rangerjae on Jul 31, 2010 2:24 PM PDT via mobile up actions 1 recs

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep -

this is where I stopped reading. Once I read this I could go no further.

If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

by labbadabba on Jun 15, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

and this

(it was a long comment, this was the objectionable part:)

also, stay out of white sox business.
also, quit being such a baby.
hey swisher………..you know.
by BuehrleMan on Jul 30, 2010 1:51 PM PDT actions 1 recs

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least a few people near the end tried to be level-headed about it
I find the vitriol directed at roy to be pretty funny
so he didn’t like US Cellular — who cares?
if you weren’t taken to task for an opinion or had your balls busted, it wouldn’t be SSS. for evidence, look at your first thread and how we do our own when the subject is food and not our beloved sanctuary.

it’s all in good fun, man. stick around outside of this thread if you want. and do regale us of your better time when you go back on a non-monday.
While I don’t agree with your opinions,

I can understand them. I hate the rule too, but I can see the reasoning why.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not going to lie

I LOL’d for quite a bit after the “elevator straight to hell” remark. I thought about making it my sig, but so few people would understand it.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I like to think of that experience as the proof that I’ll be honest, even if it’s not at all that pleasant, so not everyone thinks I’m just pandering to the audience. If I don’t like something about the park or the experience, and I remember to mention it, I’ll typically mention it. I wasn’t a big fan of Tropicana Field either, but frankly, neither are a lot of Rays fans too.

The funny thing is, the lesson is well learned, and I like the city of Chicago, and I family there. I’d try out the Cell again, but to be more mindful of buying better tickets to where I could have some more freedom, and give a redux on the park, which I’m sure from them, would be entertaining, to say the least.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 15, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not gonna lie... I kinda wanted to punch you in the dick

because of your Oklahoma Joe’s review…

But Im better than that.

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by averagegatsby on Jun 17, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great post

Personally I think the Z-Man is an abomination: why ruin perfectly good barbecue with cheese? Completely unacceptable.

by hippdoghipp on Jun 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly

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by Crooow on Jun 15, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want a “Fun With Frenchy” Royals mag. :^(

LIVE EDT

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by TheLetter2 on Jun 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

totally awesome fabulous killer great post!

should try LC’s very close to the park next trip in to town … Bryant’s sauce is different than some, so it goes … also try Smokestack in Martin City (closer in than Oklahoma Joe’s and just fabulous!)

Geaux Frenchie!

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by upamtn on Jun 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Dang, the Cell is next on my list, living in Indy

And I’m a cheap seats kind of guy if the expensive ones are, well, expensive. That not being able to go to the lower levels thing would drive me up a wall.

(Comerica might be my next one, too, tho, since I was supposed to go to the rained out game with KC in May and I might be heading out there over Labor Day instead)

What are your impressions of Atlanta, as that’s your home park? I found it to be a National League shadow of Camden (which incidentally is my favorite park in the non-Wrigley/Fenway division): similar design, has a lot of the same feel and features as they are from around the same time being one of the first “new” parks. It feels a lot more like baseball and a lot less like a carnival crashed into a mall and they placed a stadium in the middle. In short, it’s not quite as good as Camden but that shouldn’t be taken as an insult as I think it’s the best in class: I was quite pleasantly surprised and liked Turner Field quite a bit.

by sterlingice on Jun 15, 2011 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Camden Yards

So I take the comparisons to Atlanta as very complimentary. Atlanta’s a great park to watch baseball, and there really aren’t any bad seats to be able to watch the game from. The park takes a great deal of pride in the history of the franchise from the various Boston era teams, Milwaukee, and Atlanta, and sprinkles the history all over the walls on the first two levels. It’s made some efforts to diversify the food and entertainment options, which is always nice, and there are a lot of family-friendly policies like allowing outside food and drink which I think is important to consider.

My only real gripe with my home park is that it’s smack dab in the middle of the ghetto. Whereas Camden is a very lively and fun bar scene/Inner Harbor, and places like San Diego has the Gaslamp District, Northside Chicago’s Wrigleyville, etc, Atlanta has none of that. Go a block in any direction from Turner Field and it’s either more parking lot or some really sketchy areas. Plus, no efficient public transportation options to get there.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 15, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the inner harbor is a pretty shitty area too...

no matter how much shiny stuff there is…or at least it was 5 years ago when i got $900 worth of shit stolen out of the trunk of my rental car in a place where i had paid $20 to park

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jun 15, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, the only parts of Baltimore I ever felt safe visiting were about a mile radius from, say, the Aquarium

And that mile might be generous. Fell’s Point wasn’t bad… in daylight. But go much outside of that one mile bubble and I think you were in trouble.

For Atlanta, we either took the bus or Marta but still had to walk a decent distance. Not terrible, tho, and most places are fairly safe when walking with 30K of your closest friends. Even those crappy parts of town where Nats park or Citizen’s Bank (Philly)- those are in some rough areas. I’m happy to be able to get off of mass transit and only have to walk a couple of blocks.

by sterlingice on Jun 15, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

Aside from Camden Yards, overall, I think the city of Baltimore is a cesspool. I grew up in Virginia, therefore we loathe Maryland, but ironically, I also had family who lived in Baltimore. My general rule about the harbor area is that if you can see water, you’re okay. Even if your view is obstructed by a building or a passing car or large pedestrian, the split-second you can’t see water, you’re prime to get mugged/assaulted.

You got beyond two blocks from the bar crawl outside Camden Yards or the harbor, and you’re back in the ghetto…and that could be a generous estimate.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 16, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it depends on your expectations

I think Fells Point, Federal Hill (which is what borders Camden Yards to the East), and the Inner Harbor (on the other side of the convention center from Camden) are all fine, but I don’t think I’d have felt that way before moving to NYC and then Washington. The streets can be a little dark and narrow, but there’s lots of foot traffic, which is the best safety measure of all.

I’ve been to games in Atlanta and felt much the same. I’m a little embarrassed to take people to the K because their first impression is the sea of parking lots, which seems like a wasteland to me, but it’s just different tastes

by KSinDC on Jun 15, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sea of parking lots > ghettos

Go north of Turner Field, and it’s kind of the same way. But at least in KC, if you happen to exit from the wrong end of the park, it doesn’t spit you out into a sketchy neighborhood where not even the taxi drivers want to traverse.

But I agree that seas of parking lots are kind of wasted land, and at least in Atlanta’s case, build some tiered-parking garages or something, and use some of the freed up real estate for bars, restaurants, and commercial use. But I’m not going to pretend like I know what kind of bureaucratic/political tongue twisters that would probably cause between business owners vs. park profits vs. city, so I’ll chalk it up as unlikely to happen, but I imagine similarly could be fantasized about the land surrounding Kauffman.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 16, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you don't know what you're doing and get lost on your way out from Kaufmann

It is possible to get to some rougher neighborhoods, but it’s far from the worst part of Kansas City.

I enjoyed your review, by the way.

"That's fine wood from... somewhere."

by KeepItCopacetic on Jun 18, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good article and as far as BBQ goes

Best BBQ – LC’s
Best Beans – Jackstack (hands down)
Best Sauce – Gates Hot
Most Historic – Arthur Bryant’s

Now, if KC just had Henry Weinhard Vanilla Cream Soda, we’d be set.

by Disposable Orchestra on Jun 16, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the review. Glad you had great time!

I’m always curious about what outsiders think of the K because I constantly hear our afternoon sports radio guy (Kevin Keitzman) rail on about how horrrrrible the renovations are and how much better it would be if we built a new stadium downtown. Anytime I hear someone from somewhere else talk about the stadium they can’t believe that the stadium was built in the early 70’s. They think it looks brand new. No stadium is perfect and people like different things but I get tired of one person trying to make it sound like everyone hates the K. It’s just not the case.

by KCROYALS64 on Jun 18, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

On the flip side I enjoy seeing local perspective

It’s funny how often it works out that way, with there being at least one person who unofficially speaks on behalf of others of their collective homes. But I like reading the perspectives of those who see it on a regular basis, and I’m amused with quips like the K being a really pretty prostitute, and such, but I get the impression that the vast majority of baseball fans appreciate and genuinely like the K, which is welcoming IMO. It’s a fantastic ballpark, and I have to imagine that those who complain about trite details are typically chasing an agenda.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 20, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite aspects of the K is that it's not downtown.

I like that it’s easy to get on I-70 or I-435 immediately following a game and you don’t have to walk past blocks and blocks of drunk fans, panhandlers, etc.

by jbrocato on Jun 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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