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Bubba Starling and the Greatest Kansans in Major League History

Born in Kansas. (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

Bubba Starling, as you may have heard, is from Kansas. This was already fairly noteworthy on draft day, and became even more so when the Royals selected him. Elite high school players simply aren't from Kansas very often. Of course, not much of anything is from Kansas these days, merely because Kansas is a small population state. That being said, there are also secondary reasons for the relative dearth of top-shelf Kansans in high school baseball: the complications related to the longer winters, the lack of a training/high-end/marginally insane youth sports infrastructure as compared to the Sun Belt states, etc.

If we grant that Bubba Starling is a great talent for his current age group, how rare would it be if he became an All-Star level player out of Kansas?

  • Only 32 Kansans have amassed more than 1,000 PAs at the Major League level. To date, only eight Kansas-born players have appeared in a Major League game this season.
  • Of those eight Kansans (of some degree) in the Major Leagues, one is, of course, our own Aaron Crow, who was born in Topeka. Kyle Farnsworth was also born in Kansas (Wichita) as was Andy Larouche (Fort Scott).
  • Overall however, Kansas has been a respectable state in baseball history. 205 Kansas-born players have made the Major Leagues, which is more than South Carolina (169) and close to neighboring Oklahoma's total of 236 and Iowa's 213. Truly barren Major League states are either small northern states like Rhode Island (73) or Vermont (37) or Western states that were essentially un-populated until quite recently. Thus, Arizona, has only produced 89 players to date.

Star-divide

  • The glory days of Kansas baseball were roughly from the 1920s to the 1960s. At any random point in the 1950s, you might find 20 odd Kansans on Major League rosters (when MLB was also much smaller). In the early part of the twentieth century Kansas had 10 electoral votes, which compared to their current total of 6, reveals how much larger the relative population of Kansas was one hundred years ago.
  • The greatest Kansan of all-time is Walter Johnson, who was born in Humbolt in 1887. Of course, a quick look at Johnson's stats reveals that he's also one of the greatest pitchers, period, of all time. Humbolt has a decaying monument to Johnson in place, as well as a sign.
  • Johnny Damon dominates the born-in-Kansas leaderboards for offensive players. Damon leads Kansans in PAs and hits by wide margins, and is second only to Tony Clark in HRs (251 to 223). Damon, however, went to high school in Orlando, so he doesn't have much similarity to Starling as a high school player patrolling Kansas outfields. Clark, actually, was similar in this regard. Though he was born in Newton, he graduated high school in El Cajon, CA. I'm noticing a trend here.
  • Other notable Kansans include Joe Tinker (who is somewhat mysteriously a Hall of Famer), 1980s journeyman Mitch Webster, 1990s journeyman David Segui, 1980s slugger Bob Horner, 1970s starter Mike Torrez and 1990s college star Darren Dreifort. Random 1990s Twin Pat Meares is 14th all time amongst Kansas players in lifetime hits.
  • To return to the original question, it would be somewhat notable if Bubba Starling becomes an All-Star level player from Kansas. An all-Kansas all-time team would probably not be very good, aside from having Walter Johnson and Johnny Damon. And I guess Tinker, although he played 500 years ago with bats made out of whalebone. (If anyone wants to figure out who would win an all-midwest all-time tournament, please do!) The odds are long that Starling has a better career than Damon, who was very good for a very long time. Then again, Damon, as mentioned above, wasn't fully from Kansas the way Bubba is. And, like Dennis Rodman, Damon seemingly had a complete physical and personal transformation over the course of his career, which makes his Royals-years hard to remember. Tony Clark was also a very good player for a few years, posting three 30 HR seasons and randomly making an All-Star team in 2001. If you are extremely optimistic regarding Bubba, you might project that he'll end up somewhere between Damon and Clark career wise. If we're being super optimistic, we might hope that he ends up as a Damon-like OF, with more power. In that scenario, he might become the greatest position player in Kansas history.
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    Great piece.

    I have an affinity for the state of Kansas, and these are cool facts I didn’t know about the state and her people.

    LIVE EDT

    Tape-delayed for the West Coast

    by TheLetter2 on Jun 22, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    read it twice and didn't see this guy mentioned

    href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_%28baseball%29”

    Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

    by BillyMojo on Jun 22, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

    link fail.

    Bill Russell, LA Dodgers.

    Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

    by BillyMojo on Jun 22, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Adam LaRoche

    Lyndon LaRouche

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

    Adam LaRoche

    from what I can tell wasnt born in Kansas but I do believe he grew up mostly in Ft.Scott although his brother Andy was

    by slackator on Jun 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No they moved to Fort Scott

    A buddy of mine knew Adam in HS. I can’t remember the reason they moved to KS.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jun 22, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I was born in Ft.Scott in 83 same year as Andys bio says he was born there

    and I lived there until 9 and Adam is the same age as my brother but I dont remember either so they must have attended the private school or something but if they did indeed live there the same time I had to have played against Andy in little league

    by slackator on Jun 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    it has or had when I was there a couple of private or catholic schools I cant remember

    I was only 9 when I moved it might have been 2 or 3 public schools Im not sure. I just know I went to Winfield Scott Elementary and my brother went to Ft.Scott Middle School and I just looked in the 92 year books ( the latest I have) and neither are there but Ft. Scotts Wikipedia page says they are from there

    by slackator on Jun 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Tinker being in the Hall isn't that much of a mystery

    His name is one of the saddest of possible words.

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Jun 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

    Time to write a popular poem about Frank White
    The words will make you feel like your hitting is phony
    Onix to White to Balboni

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jun 22, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I prefer the 2008 version of Royals baseball poetry

    Meche and Greinke
    Then pray, ‘cause we’re stinky.

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Jun 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Or

    Zack and Luke
    And three days of puke

    except that was kind of wrong because Luke was kind of barfy too.

    "They may make cool judgements after the fact
    But the name of the game is be hit and hit back" --Warren Zevon

    by Juancho on Jun 22, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    He Lived Across

    The street from me when I was very young. His brother John was one of my biggest rivals in sports.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Renko's son went to high school with me

    He was a dick.

    "They may make cool judgements after the fact
    But the name of the game is be hit and hit back" --Warren Zevon

    by Juancho on Jun 22, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I Didn't Know

    John well, but I always thought he had a high opinion of himself.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I also went to high school

    with José Azcue’s daughter. Bonus points if y’all remember him.

    "They may make cool judgements after the fact
    But the name of the game is be hit and hit back" --Warren Zevon

    by Juancho on Jun 23, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Pat Mears is one of the more unfortunate names I've seen...

    If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

    by labbadabba on Jun 22, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

    although he played 500 years ago with bats made out of whalebone

    Great line, made me almost choke on my OJ.

    Ross Gload, this account is dedicated to your spectacular Kauffman Stadium swipe-the-rolling-ball-off-the-wall play in 2008. I blew my Gload on that one.

    by Blowin My Gload on Jun 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    Praising and talking about Kansas/KU

    What is this Rock Chalk Talk? F KU. YOUKNOWCUILIKEMIZZOULOOKATMYNAME

    by KCTiger on Jun 22, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

    well then check out this sweet mural in downtown Coffeyville, KS:

    I was randomly walking the streets there and saw this…I was like, “no kidding, Walter Johnson came from this place”…Coffeyville is a dump since it flooded their and the refinery spilled with the flood, but downtown if very nice and historic for those history buffs (Daulton Defenders museum)

    Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

    by PhattStairs on Jun 22, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The Dalton story is that

    apparently somebody tipped off the townspeople about the Daltons’ raid and they were ready and fully armed. Eight dead, several wounded in Coffeyville. Ugly scene.

    "They may make cool judgements after the fact
    But the name of the game is be hit and hit back" --Warren Zevon

    by Juancho on Jun 22, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    oh yeah...

    Coffeyville has some history…don’t know if I would rather have that or my hometown’s “Home of Slice Bread” motto…yes, you read that right…we invented sliced bread honkeys

    Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

    by PhattStairs on Jun 22, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    And improved lives immeasurably

    the yardstick against which all other goodness is compared.

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Jun 22, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I Don't Know

    Where Ray Sadecki was born, but he went to Ward HS in KCK. He hit my oldest brother in the head with a pitch.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

    Kit Pellow now

    Kit Pellow forever

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jun 22, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    Due to my limited time in America

    I haven’t seen many Royals’ games over the years, but I did see one in which Kit Pellow played.

    "They may make cool judgements after the fact
    But the name of the game is be hit and hit back" --Warren Zevon

    by Juancho on Jun 22, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    On another note

    Is Bubba the best metro HS baseball player ever? I can’t recall even knowing about any HS baseball players in the area. Even Albert Pujols made only second-team All-Metro (nice call, KC Star!)

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jun 22, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    Maybe

    That was before my time. Don’t know if he was that hyped. He wasn’t drafted very high (22nd round I believe)

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jun 22, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he went to my high school...

    and we didnt have a baseball team back then…so it was pretty tough for him to be hyped…i cant imagine there was much coverage of legion and ban johnson ball…but he was drafted in the 3rd round, not 22nd…so i cant imagine he was comparable to bubba

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Jun 22, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he's from the metro?

    I thought he was furtehr out in the hinterland

    by Freneau on Jun 22, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Gardner is in the metro

    Its probably 40 minutes tops from downtown KC.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jun 22, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    in a place known as BFK

    Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

    by PhattStairs on Jun 22, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That would be Buttfuck, Kansas

    I went to the county fair in Gardner once. I like seeing the animals and buying the jam and pickles and stuff that people make.

    "They may make cool judgements after the fact
    But the name of the game is be hit and hit back" --Warren Zevon

    by Juancho on Jun 22, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Candied Jalapenos

    Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

    by PhattStairs on Jun 22, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Elmer Stricklett - Glasco, KS

    Possible inventor of the spit ball and stood only 5’6"

    - .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …

    by Jeff Zimmerman on Jun 23, 2011 12:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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