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Mongtomery and Dwyer

Current 2011 lines:

Montgomery: 5.23 ERA, 7.3 K/9, 5.3 BB/9, 1.51 WHIP

Dwyer: 6.89 ERA, 8.1 K/9, 5.6 BB/9, 1.52 WHIP

Is there ANYTHING to be positive about regarding the terrible seasons our two top pitching prospects are having this year?

How long until we brush off the idea that these two are just having poor starts, and begin to have serious concern about two massive busts on our hands?

I haven't heard any specific updates on either, other than command issues. Is there anything more? Are the issues fixable?

With Lamb out and Crow looking like a reliever, our plans to contend depend heavily on these two advanced minor league arms developing into legit MLB starters.

12 months ago Tiny deezle 26 comments 0 recs  | 

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I think that you are being really over-pessimistic.

Firstly, both of these players are under 25 years of age. They have plenty of time to recover.

Secondly, players have bad seasons in the minors all the time. Ever heard of Eric Hosmer?

I honestly don’t think it’s that big of an issue that they are struggling. Send them down to AA for a couple of months, and have them recover.

by Jack Marsh on Jun 7, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Also, I'd love to hear of other top prospects

that struggled to this degree in the high minors, yet still went on to become very good MLB pitchers.

I’m not being snarky – if there were a few I would relax, but I can’t really think of any.

by deezle on Jun 7, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

You want a list of

21 year old pitchers who struggled in two months at AAA and still had good careers? It’s probably pretty long.

by billexgordler on Jun 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Over reaction.. This season is a stuggle for breathing room season

They have all of this seaosn to work the kinks out.. Maybe they might get a chance in the opening day roster or maybe a may/june call up in 2012.. I think/beleive we are doing alot better than we have despite the current record/standings in our division…

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Jun 7, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Too soon to worry much

They also both have FIP under 4.60, so it’s not even as bad as it seems. Just struggling with more patient and advanced hitters taking walks. There’s plenty of time for them to adjust.

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by AtTheWall on Jun 7, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

To echo those above, it is years too early to use the word "bust" despite some concerns

There are reasons to have some concern with each of them, especially Dwyer, but barring a career-threatening injury, it is years too early to “give up” on either one.

Part of the concern for both dates back to last year, as both saw their performance drop following promotion. Both of their K/9 rates dipped. Montgomery saw his BB/9 jump to almost 4.0 BB/9 when he moved up to the more hitting friendly AA. Dwyer’s walk rate jumped too in his short stint in AA last year, but his 3.5 BB/9 in high A ball was not great in such a pitching friendly environment. So unlike Montgomery, Dwyer has always had some control problems. Montgomery also has more room for error with his high groundball rate, while Dwyer has been closer to neutral.

Their performances so far are disappointing, but pitchers do not develop in the same general linear progression as hitters. Given his prior track record and scouting records, Montgomery should at least get a full year before any concern should start to turn into worry. There is more reason to wave a yellow flag for Dwyer, but there is still a ways to go before it turns into a red flag and even longer before it becomes a white flag.

by Gopherballs on Jun 7, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

also Aaron Crow kinda sucked all the way thru the minors

and is doing pretty well now in the bullpen.

The Alex Gordon era - www.number4thesmirk.com

by CollininCalifornia on Jun 7, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Given the big difference in value between starters and relievers

it would be a pretty big disappointment if Montgomery or Dwyer ended up as a reliever.

by Gopherballs on Jun 7, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying they will end up as bullpen guys

i hope Crow gets a shot at the rotation next Spring (if not earlier) but my point was only that last year we were all horrified at Crow’s numbers and now he’s finding success at the ML level. Monty and (to a lesser extent) Dwyer have a track record of success and this little rough patch shouldn’t make us think the apocalypse is near. I think at least Monty will be fine and Dwyer still has good stuff.

The Alex Gordon era - www.number4thesmirk.com

by CollininCalifornia on Jun 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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