Mongtomery and Dwyer
Current 2011 lines:
Montgomery: 5.23 ERA, 7.3 K/9, 5.3 BB/9, 1.51 WHIP
Dwyer: 6.89 ERA, 8.1 K/9, 5.6 BB/9, 1.52 WHIP
Is there ANYTHING to be positive about regarding the terrible seasons our two top pitching prospects are having this year?
How long until we brush off the idea that these two are just having poor starts, and begin to have serious concern about two massive busts on our hands?
I haven't heard any specific updates on either, other than command issues. Is there anything more? Are the issues fixable?
With Lamb out and Crow looking like a reliever, our plans to contend depend heavily on these two advanced minor league arms developing into legit MLB starters.
12 months ago
deezle
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I think that you are being really over-pessimistic.
Firstly, both of these players are under 25 years of age. They have plenty of time to recover.
Secondly, players have bad seasons in the minors all the time. Ever heard of Eric Hosmer?
I honestly don’t think it’s that big of an issue that they are struggling. Send them down to AA for a couple of months, and have them recover.
Hosmer struggled because he couldn't see the ball
Do these guys need LASIK?
how about moose then?
in his Hi A season?
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by billybeingbilly on Jun 7, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I'd love to hear of other top prospects
that struggled to this degree in the high minors, yet still went on to become very good MLB pitchers.
I’m not being snarky – if there were a few I would relax, but I can’t really think of any.
You want a list of
21 year old pitchers who struggled in two months at AAA and still had good careers? It’s probably pretty long.
by billexgordler on Jun 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When James Shields was 21 he had an ERA in the mid 4s in A ball.
At 22, he still struggled to get out of A ball..and then got 4 starts at AA and got crushed to a tune of a 7.85 ERA.
When Roy Halladay was 21, he had a paltry 5.5 K/9 and 4.1 BB/9 in AAA..and two years later had a 5.50 ERA over a half season in AAA.
These guys are 21 years old. Both of them are posting solid strikeout rates for their age and level..they just need to refine their control a bit. There is NO reason for concern yet. If by this time next year they haven’t progressed at all…then we’ll talk.
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Jun 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Shields was a 16th round pick
And like you said, he struggled for 4 starts. We are well beyond that point for both Dwyer and Monty.
Halladay had a cup of coffee in the majors before getting sent back down and the struggling in AAA, his second go round.
And those are just the guys (in addition to Halladay) from the top 10 pitchers of 2010 by WAR
Even the very top pitchers generally struggle at some point in the minors. Verlanders are very rare.
Over reaction.. This season is a stuggle for breathing room season
They have all of this seaosn to work the kinks out.. Maybe they might get a chance in the opening day roster or maybe a may/june call up in 2012.. I think/beleive we are doing alot better than we have despite the current record/standings in our division…
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Too soon to worry much
They also both have FIP under 4.60, so it’s not even as bad as it seems. Just struggling with more patient and advanced hitters taking walks. There’s plenty of time for them to adjust.
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To echo those above, it is years too early to use the word "bust" despite some concerns
There are reasons to have some concern with each of them, especially Dwyer, but barring a career-threatening injury, it is years too early to “give up” on either one.
Part of the concern for both dates back to last year, as both saw their performance drop following promotion. Both of their K/9 rates dipped. Montgomery saw his BB/9 jump to almost 4.0 BB/9 when he moved up to the more hitting friendly AA. Dwyer’s walk rate jumped too in his short stint in AA last year, but his 3.5 BB/9 in high A ball was not great in such a pitching friendly environment. So unlike Montgomery, Dwyer has always had some control problems. Montgomery also has more room for error with his high groundball rate, while Dwyer has been closer to neutral.
Their performances so far are disappointing, but pitchers do not develop in the same general linear progression as hitters. Given his prior track record and scouting records, Montgomery should at least get a full year before any concern should start to turn into worry. There is more reason to wave a yellow flag for Dwyer, but there is still a ways to go before it turns into a red flag and even longer before it becomes a white flag.
I would not worry too much about the ERA and WHIP. They can't really control the defense behind them or some of the launching pads they play in.
The walk rates are what worry me. I would like to see them under 2.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jun 8, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
also Aaron Crow kinda sucked all the way thru the minors
and is doing pretty well now in the bullpen.
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by CollininCalifornia on Jun 7, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
Given the big difference in value between starters and relievers
it would be a pretty big disappointment if Montgomery or Dwyer ended up as a reliever.
I'm not saying they will end up as bullpen guys
i hope Crow gets a shot at the rotation next Spring (if not earlier) but my point was only that last year we were all horrified at Crow’s numbers and now he’s finding success at the ML level. Monty and (to a lesser extent) Dwyer have a track record of success and this little rough patch shouldn’t make us think the apocalypse is near. I think at least Monty will be fine and Dwyer still has good stuff.
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by CollininCalifornia on Jun 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm kinda glad they're having some rough patches.
It will give them some humility and teach them that they have to be constantly working to get better.
by BrRoyal on Jun 7, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
















