Aaron Crow: sliders, curves and platoon splits
Much has been made over Aaron Crow's possession or lack of a third pitch that he can use against lefties and how the quality of this third pitch might affect his chances of a successful transition to the rotation.
Crow has a hard sinking fastball and an excellent slider, and against right-handed hitters, he throws these two pitches almost exclusively. And to say it has worked would be an understatement--this combination makes him more or less Death itself against right-handed hitters.
Right-handed hitters have struck out out 27.9% of the time against Crow, and when they do manage to make contact, they've feably chopped the ball into the dirt an unreal 65.1% of the time. As those who have read Fangraph's series on SIERA will know, when a pitcher gets high strikeout rates or high groundball rates, it means that batters are struggling to square up balls, and high rates in either category will correlate with low BABIPS. Crow has been dominant in both K% and GB% against righties, so as we might expect, right-handed hitters are batting only .206 on balls in play with a nearly comical 9.5% line drive rate.
Right-handed hitters have been TPJ on a cold stretch against Aaron Crow. Crow's relationship with batters that stand on the left side of the plate, however, has been another story.
Crow hasn't exactly been bad against lefties, but it's clear that he's allowed lefties to feel much more comfortable. Crow has struck out 19.1% of the left-handed hitters he's faced, and while Luke Hochevar is green with envy, this constitues a 40% reduction in strikeouts when compared to his dominance against right-handed hittrs.
Lefties have also had much more success squaring up balls--they've put the ball on the ground only 46% of the time which is near the league average, and they've hit line drives 23.8% of the time which is about 250% as often as right-handers have been able to make solid contact. Crow has so far mitigated the damage against lefties by walking far fewer, but I'm suspicious as to whether that is a repeatable skill.
Crow's fastball-slider package isn't as effective against lefties as it is against righties, and while this isn't a big problem as long as Crow is in the bullpen, it presents a serious challenge to an attempted transition to the starting rotation. He needs a third pitch to start, and for Crow, it looks like that third pitch will be a curveball.
Recently, Royals officials have become increasingly vocal about trying Crow in the rotation. I figured that this outward bullishness on Crow as a starter should be tied to an increased emphasis on his curve against lefties, so I decided to see if Crow's approach against lefties has changed in the last month plus.
Answer: Crow has thrown far more breaking balls (both curves and sliders) against lefties as the season has progressed, and those breaking pitches have been far more effective.
From the beginning of the season through June 10, Crow threw curveballs 14.1% of the time to left-handed hitters, and only 3.7% of those curves missed bats. He threw his slider 18.8% of the time to lefties and did manage to generate whiffs 19.4% of the time with the slider.
From June 11 through present, however, Crow has mixed his pitches much more against lefties, throwing his curve 20.5% of the time and his slider 27.7% of the time. Meanwhile, his fastball usage has dropped precipitously from 66% to 52%.
Crow seems to have figured out a mix that works--from Opening Day through June 10, lefties swung and missed 8.9% of the time against Crow, but from June 11 to present, they've swung and missed 17.1% of the time. He's essentially doubled his swinging strike rate against lefties in the last month and a half.
A cautionary note--these are very small samples. There were only about 60 sliders/curves in each of the groups I looked at, so I wouldn't count on the whiff rates staying the same. Pitch selection isn't random, however, so even in these relatively small samples, I do think Crow has deliberately shifted his approach toward more curves and sliders against lefties as the team has grown more serious about moving him to the rotation.
And while I doubt Crow's new mix of pitches is twice as effective as the old approach (as the swing-and-miss rate would have you to believe), I do think that it's noteworthy that Crow currently throws a 3-pitch mix against lefties with 50% fastballs, 30% sliders, and 20% curves, and that both his curve and slider have been effective pitches for him.
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Crow currently throws a 50-30-20 fastball-slider-curve mix against lefties
Why do people insist that he doesn’t have a third pitch? I’m not sure he’ll make a great starter because I don’t love his control, but I think the ‘third pitch’ aspect is overplayed. He’ll probably always have a reasonable platoon split, but I don’t think that will be what holds him back.
When drafted...
…Crow had two good pitches: the Fastball and the Slider.
He also had a changeup that scouts said stunk. Then, he struggled in the minors. Lots of people suggested that his struggles were simply the result of a young guy trying to develop a third pitch (whether the change or a curve).
Then he made the bullpen. As you just pointed out, above, he threw something like 60 curves and sliders combined from the beginning of the season through June 10. So, yeah, it looks like he only had two useable pitches. If your conclusion above is correct, however, this may be changing. I hope it is.
Up to June 10, it was a 65-20-15 fastball-slider-curve mix
He threw the curve almost as much as the slider against lefties early in the year, but he’s recently increased the use of both pitches while using his fastball less. From what I can tell, he hasn’t been a fastball-slider pitcher against lefties at any point this year.
What is your source on pitch type percentages
It seems like you’re saying at various points in the season, Crow has been throwing his curveball 10-20% of the time. But the BIS data from fangraphs says he’s only used the curveball 7.2% of the time this year, and the pitch f/x data from fangraphs says 9.1%.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm using the pitch f/x data from texasleaguers.com
The numbers I’m citing are against lefties only. Crow throws almost exclusively fastball-slider against righties, so if you lump all of his numbers together, the curve percentage drops considerably. He’s deservedly considered a 2-pitch pitcher against righties, but he does use a 3-pitch mix against lefties.
I think he has two good pitches and two horrible pitches
Fastball – very good
Slider – very good
Curveball – poor
Change – awful
So yeah he has a third pitch and even a fourth pitch. But for practical purposes, he has two pitches he an throw and the rest is junk that isn’t going to help him against RH batters or LH batters.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't thrown a change
Pitch f/x classified something like 1 or 2 pitches as changes, but those could easily be classification errors. I certainly wouldn’t consider a change-up to be part of his arsenal.
And I don’t know why you think his curve is poor. Fangraphs gives it a positive pitch value so far this year. And he misses bats with it. It’s not as good as his slider, but it’s definitely a weapon he likes to use against lefties.
Pitch f/x classified something like 1 or 2 pitches as changes, but those could easily be classification errors. I certainly wouldn’t consider a change-up to be part of his arsenal.
He hasn’t used one. He has it, but it’s awful. He threw it in the minors.
And I don’t know why you think his curve is poor. Fangraphs gives it a positive pitch value so far this year. And he misses bats with it. It’s not as good as his slider, but it’s definitely a weapon he likes to use against lefties.
I say it is poor because every scouting report I read says it is poor. And I think he uses it as infrequently as he does because it is poor. And those pitch type linear weights shouldn’t be used to evaluate how good a pitch is. The sample sizes are tiny and they are not defense independent.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
even the Fangraphs guys say to take one-year pitch values with a grain of salt
and triple that for relievers.
Yeah, I don't put much stock in that
But just from watching the games and looking at the pitch outcome numbers, the curve hasn’t been bad at all. It seems like a league-average curve to me. Given his excellent slider, you can see why he doesn’t use the curve against righties, but the curve does get outs against lefties.
It seems like a league-average curve to me.
Really? When it’s on, it probably has league average movement, but it is inconsistent. Sometimes the break is decidedly below average. And then there’s control. He has significant problems controlling that pitch. I don’t think it is particularly close to an average MLB curveball.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me numbers
You might be right, but a claim like that needs some sort of support.
That was just my own amateur scouting, which should not be trusted. The only reason I have faith in it is that it matches up with the scouting reports going into the season. But yeah, this could use some serious pitch f/x analysis.
But to be fair, doesn’t your claim of “league average curveball” require support as well? The pitch type values (linear weights) aren’t good support for saying how effective a pitch is anymore than WHIP or ERA tell you how good a pitcher is (especially over a small sample of data).
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m basing my opinion primarily on the pitch f/x outcomes
Crow has thrown 49 curves this year, of which 49% have been strikes, 10.5% have been whiffed at, and 6.1% have been put in play.
In the last two years Chris Carpenter has thrown 1432 curves, of which 55.4% have been strikes, 11.9% have been whiffed at, and 12.9% have been put in play.
I’d look at league averages if I knew how, but in a small sample, Crow’s curve doesn’t seem to be getting results all that much worse than Carpenter’s. They are different pitches however—Crow throws his curve about 6 MPH faster and it has less break. I believe I’ve read that faster curves tend to be good groundball pitches while slower curves tend to be better for strikeouts.
I don’t know if Crow’s curve is good or bad. But the results so far are closer to ‘good’ than they are to ‘bad’.
^this
Nice write-up. This is what I’ve been arguing as well. The guy is throwing the pitch, it’s not getting hit any more than most other curves, therefore it must be improving bc it used to not be good at all. I just dunno if the curve will be as effective as a change-up could be.
by Prime2U on Jul 30, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good write up -
On the “third pitch,” yeah, it is a bit of a misnomer because he has thrown a curve all year. But there are really two separate points as to why there is concern about his secondary stuff. First, the real issue is that the “third pitch” is not a change up, which is generally the most effective pitch against opposite handed hitters (and usually by a considerable margin). That is why of the 100+ regular starters in the majors, there are only handful that do not throw a change up at least some of the time. And even within that handful, those that do usually throw both a curve and splitter, and those that rely primarily on the curve as a third pitch have really good ones that they throw a lot (e.g., Chad Billingsley and Chris Carpenter have thrown their curves about 20% of the time). In recent years, the starters who have made it with fastball/slider/occasional curve is Aaron Cook. So “third pitch” really should mean change up.
The other thing is that before this year, none of the main prospects analysts (BA, etc.) had any praise for his curve. This year, he has thrown only 55 curveballs in the majors. The fact that he has not been killed using it is certainly a good early indicator, but as you acknowledge, 55 pitches is way too small of a number of to draw any real meaningful conclusions. So between the fact that the scouting community was, at most, indifferent about his curve and the fact that he has thrown so few curves this year, it is reasonable for others to not “buy in” on his curveball just yet.
by Gopherballs on Jul 29, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The fact that he has not been killed using it is certainly a good early indicator, but as you acknowledge, 55 pitches is way too small of a number of to draw any real meaningful conclusions. So between the fact that the scouting community was, at most, indifferent about his curve and the fact that he has thrown so few curves this year, it is reasonable for others to not "buy in" on his curveball just yet.
Sure, it’s reasonable to not ‘buy in’ on his curveball at this point, but waiting to buy in on the curve is different than insisting that it’s bad. So far, the data that I’ve looked at suggests that it’s decent, as as you note, the early results are encouraging. I’m not making trying to make a case that Crow will be an ace on arrival—I’m just noting that his curve is more real that it’s given credit for on this board, and that it might be prudent to take a ‘wait-and-see’ approach rather than pretending that we know that he lacks the tools to succeed.
rather than pretending that we know that he lacks the tools to succeed.
I don’t think anyone is pretending to know. But I think it is ok to have an opinion about his pitches, control, likelihood for success, as well as how he was developed by the Royals.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting stuff
But here’s something: Aaron Crow is walking almost 4 hitters per nine innings. That’s going to go up if/when he starts, and that’s a problem. Taking another step back:
Let’s take his 3.21 xFIP from this season (better than his FIP). We’ll be generous and not regrses to the mean. As a simple rule, is has been found that the ERA/FIP/xFIP of a reliever goes up by a run when starting. A 4.21 xFIP/ERA/whatever works in the rotation, but that would make him a #4 starter in this run environment.
One last thing to look at: I’m not a fan of looking at in-season splits, but since this post makes something of his “progress”, let’s look at the overall picture and note Crow’s FIP/xFIP by month:
April: 2.03/2.89
May: 4.04/.3.19
June: 3.93/3.42
July: 5.05/3.45
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 29, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
yeah
I join kcdc1’s concern about Crow sticking as a starter due to the control issues. On top of that, most pitchers lose 1-2 MPH off their fastball when moving from the bullpen to the rotation, so his results against righties would be expected to go down somewhat as a starter.
It is not a bad idea for the Royals to try him as a starter, but they really should start him in the minors first, and the expectations that he can stick should be muted.
I too am worried about his control problems
He had them in the minors and I don’t see improvement in the majors. And I fully agree that he should be tried as a starter, but in the minors (where he should have been this year), as he has multiple parts of his game to work on as a starter.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Minors this year
You know I love Dayton Moore, but moving Crow to the bullpen in the offseason was not completely unreasonable (I personally would have kept him as a starter, but I get their reasoning). Crow was already 24, he’s on a major league deal so his timetable is condensed anyway, he missed a year of development by holding out, and his profile in the minors (bad control, bad change up) screamed future reliever. At the time, the Royals had five other legitimate starting prospects, four in the high minors, so moving the one with the most concerns to the bullpen was not irrational. Now, that a plague has hit 2/3 of the starting prospects, and the relief prospects have looked very good, trying Crow as a starter again makes real sense.
So are you saying moving him to the MLB bullpen this year wasn’t unreasonable because giving up on him as a starter and turning him into a reliever long-term wasn’t unreasonable? Because some/many are arguing that moving him to the MLB bullpen was good because it was a good way to develop him as a starter long-term.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If I read your first sentence correctly
yes, I think making a call that he was a reliever long-term and converting him to the bullpen prior to this season based on that assessment was a relatively reasonable move.
In Crow’s case, the idea of moving him to the bullpen to develop him as a starter long-term would be ass backwards.
It is not a bad idea for the Royals to try him as a starter, but they really should start him in the minors first, and the expectations that he can stick should be muted.
I don’t see a need to start him in the minors first. In my mind, you’d send Crow down to have him throw a change 30 times a game to see if he can scrap together a decent change in a crash course. I think it’s more reasonable to just accept Crow as a fastball-slider-curve pitcher, and to see if his command plays as a starter in the Majors.
For now, I’d like to see Crow continue to emphasize his curve and his fastball command, as these will be the keys to a successful transition.
He would be better off in the minors in a consequence free environment for at least a little while
The guys who survive with only a curve and no change or split have really good ones. Even the 55 pitch sample we have so far, no one is saying he has a good curve. To improve anything — command, curveballs, pitch sequencing — he is going to have to try different things, and some of those things are going to fail. Failing in the minors — no big deal. Failing in Fenway Park — big deal. If he struggles, he is likely to revert to doing things the same way he is now, and that makes his chances of sticking as a starter go way down.
And if the team is going to try him as a starter, it at least has to try out a change up because it increases the odds of success so much even it never becomes a “weapon.” As a right-handed starter, he is going to see up to 50% left-handed batters.
And if keeping him in the minors for a couple months grants the team an extra year of club control, that is a nice side bonus.
Agree to disagree
I think Crow’s stuff, for the most part, is what it’s going to be, and they need to see whether that stuff plays in a starting role. The curve and command might have a little room for improvement, but I don’t think it’s wise to have him spend his mid-twenties trying to develop a change-up that will likely never be an out pitch in the Major Leagues.
Crow is valuable as a reliever. If his command improves, he might be more valuable as a starter, but I don’t think spending time in the minors significantly increases the likelihood of that happening. And experimenting to see if you can remake Crow in to a 4-pitch pitcher or give him a plus-plus curve just costs time when he could be helping the team make the playoffs.
I think you try him in the MLB rotation, and if he’s not good enough, you enjoy an excellent, cheap reliever.
And experimenting to see if you can remake Crow in to a 4-pitch pitcher or give him a plus-plus curve just costs time when he could be helping the team make the playoffs.
Experimenting? This is how minor leaguers are developed. Pitchers throughout the minors are working on their changeups right now in the hopes that they can become effective MLB starting pitchers. This wouldn’t be some kind of wild and crazy experiment. The huge, vast majority of pitching prospects have one or two good pitches and those pitchers are working hard to make their secondary pitches good enough to get them into the majors and survive there.
And helping the Royals make the playoffs? No one is talking about Crow staying in the minors working on this for the next several years. I think we’re talking about what should have been done with him in 2011 (if they wanted to continue to develop him as a starter) and what should be done in 2012. If he doesn’t make progress with the change and/or curve in the minors in 2012, then it’s time to punt and put him back in the pen. I don’t see how him being in the minors in ’11 and ’12 keeps the Royals out of the playoffs.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We're coming at this from different mindsets
I think the Royals should be trying to make the playoffs next year. They already have the offense and the bullpen, and they have the money and the assets to upgrade the rotation.
As for ‘working on a change-up’, for all intents and purposes, Crow currently has no change-up. Didn’t the Royals completely scrap his change and teach him a new grip? And didn’t the new change get equally bad reviews? I don’t see any reason to believe Crow will ever have a change-up that’s worth throwing in the Majors, and I don’t think he needs one. He’s already got 3 pitches that work for him. It’s time to see whether he’s good enough to be a starter or if his command plays better as a reliever.
I think the Royals should be trying to make the playoffs next year.
I think one of the main guiding principles for any MLB front office is to recognize where the MLB team is and act accordingly. Even with a good bullpen and a decent offense, this team truly stinks. It’s probably a 70-win team (by true talent; they’ll likely win fewer games than that this year). While some young players will probably improve, some probably will not and we probably won’t have anyone replace Melky’s career year and maybe not even Frenchy’s season. And I don’t think Moore is going to be able to go out and get 10+ WAR on the FA or trade market. I think this team will be lucky to get near 80 wins. So going all-in on the 2012 season doesn’t really make much sense to me. I’d try to develop Crow as a starter.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re getting off topic now, but I think this is a true talent 75+ win team. If Melky isn’t traded, I’ll be surprised if they’re more than a couple games under .500 post All-Star break.
First, I’ll take that bet. Second, really? None of the numbers point in that direction (actual 2011 season numbers, preseason projections, updated rest-of-season projections). Third, if the Royals TTL is 75+ then where do you think the Royals are going to get 10 more wins from (to have a real shot at winning the division next year?) Sure some young guys will improve, but some won’t and things like the Melky and Frenchy season won’t be happening again (unless Moore gets lucky again…and he usually hasn’t gotten lucky like that). So do you think Moore is going to acquire 10 wins worth of talent? Let’s say the net improvement of the young players is 4 wins (and that’s generous); do you really think Moore is going to acquire 6 more wins of talent? But again, I think your premise is flawed because there really isn’t a sound basis to believe this is a 75+ win team right now.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t type a long answer from iPad.
The run differential is only -46, and I think they’ve improved over the year. Hosmer is better. Esky is better. Moose is just coming around. Butler is heating up. I think hoch and Davies will be better in the second half. Paulino and Duffy make the team better. Sofia isn’t going to blow five games in a row again.
Melky has been hot and might cool off bait but he’s better than you’re giving him credit for. And I think were seeing the real frenchy.
As for adding wins, I dont think +4 is generous. I think we’ll get that from moose and homer alone. Remember that their combined war right now is basically 0. We need starting pitching.
It kind of seems like your analysis has a lot of “the good things that are happening now are the real deal and we should see more of that. the bad things that are happening or have happened were aberrations which we shouldn’t see again.” Isn’t that the most positive spin one could possibly put on the Royals current situation?
As for adding wins, I dont think +4 is generous. I think we’ll get that from moose and homer alone.
Because they are both going to have good years in 2012? It’s already clear to you that both will succeed in the majors and start doing so in their first full seasons? Why should we be confident of that? Because they were talented top prospects and those guys always pan out? The same goes for Duffy and the kids in the bullpen. Not all the young players are going to get better next year. That just isn’t realisitc. That isn’t how it works.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
More will be better than not
I don’t want to get into this argument because we won’t convince each other. The royals XW-L based on runs scored and allowed so far has them as a 75 win team. And I think they’ll be better during the second half.
There are 56 games left. I said I’d be surprised if they’re more than a couple games under .500 post AS break. They’re one game over right now. If they’re 25-31 or worse the rest of the way, I’ll admit I was wrong. If they’re 26-30, they’ll be 3 games under post break, and I’ll be partially wrong because couple implies 2, but I’ll claim victory anyway.
Their second and third order wins have them at about 73 wins.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
From BP today:
2nd order: .459 winning% —> 74.358 wins
3rd order: .462 winning% —> 74.844 wins
Cool, I guess the 12-0 game kicked thenm up about a game and a half. Let’s see where they are in a week. You see this team’s peaks as the real deal. I see them as peaks which come before valleys. We’ll see what happens.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Should we not count the 12-0 game?
Because I remember a few games that the Royals lost by 10+ that would be nice to not count.
You accuse me of cherry picking the peaks, but the season runs scored and runs allowed count every game. It sounds like you’d rather cherry pick the big wins to not count them.
Of course they count
All of it counts. And the Royals have been in a valley, now they are at or near a peak. They’ll come down again. Hide and watch. This team isn’t very good at all.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree 100% about the control
He doesn’t have a change, so he’s going to have platoon splits. But that alone won’t kill him. This year, he’s been great against righties and average-ish against lefties, which makes him good overall. If he could keep that up as a starter, I think we’d all be thrilled.
But his stuff likely won’t be as good overall as a starter. If the K’s drop as we’d expect in a transition to the rotation, he’s going to need to sharpen his control. The 4 BB/9 is much more of a red flag to me than the platoon issues.
About in-season splits
The results are going to be randomly distributed, so the monthly stats are going to show a lot of noise. For the purposes of my post, I mentioned that I wouldn’t put much stock in the whiff rates in these small samples. But pitch selection isn’t random, and even in the small samples I took, I think there’s strong evidence that Crow is shifting his approach against lefties.
Also, those xFIP numbers are surprisingly stable. I don’t think FIP has much relevance for Crow as his greatest strength is his GB%, which FIP completely ignores.
Ok, so I agree with kcdc about Crow's curve developing
But I agree with Gopher and Scott about where his development needs to go from here. He’s making progress, but he isn’t where he needs to be to be a good starter yet. Rather than waste his time and confidence, and wins for us next season, he needs to go throw a few terrible innings in the minors to find out what stuff will work and to come up with a change-up. His curve is improving, but it will
Never be ++, and he needs to gain more control to make it even a good pitch. A change-up would take him a long way.
by Prime2U on Jul 30, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Crow turns 25 in November
When you’re 25+ and in AAA, for the most part, you’re an organizational guy or you’re injured.
Crow isn’t a prospect. He’s an MLB pitcher, and he doesn’t have an MLB change-up. His repetoire is what it is. It’s time to find out if he can start in the Majors, and you do that by starting him in the Majors. If he fails, he goes back to relieving. You don’t stash him in Omaha and hope that in year 15 of his baseball career, his change-up suddenly breaks through.
I still think Holland has the better stuff to translate to the rotation than Crow
No stats or analysis – just my opinion from watching both pitchers very closely this season. Holland has a FB and slider for RHs that are both the equal of Crow’s (could make an argument that they are better than Crow’s actually). Difference to me – the potential for Holland’s split finger pitch for LHs exceeds the potential for Crow to get LHs out with either his curve, or his changeup.
Yes, the split finger is an injury risk – but frankly, if he lasts 3 or 4 years before that happens, I’d be OK with that. The alternative (considering they won’t trade Soria and make Holland the closer) is to waste Holland in the primary setup role – not the best idea until the rest of the pieces of contention are already in place.
Yes, we don’t know for sure if his stamina would be adequate to maintain his stuff for 100 pitches – but we DO know that he can easily maintain it for 50 or so pitches already – because he has done that 2 or 3 times this season with good results and no apparent side effects on his arm going forward.
DEFINTELY worth the gamble. I’d start by using September’s expanded roster as a chance to stretch Holland out and see what happens.
If strikeouts are indeed fascist - then find me some starters that believe in fascism
Yeah, Holland's stuff looks better to me
But he’s smaller which supposedly makes it harder to stay healthy and to maintain stamina, and the split is an injury risk as well. Both would be interesting rotation candidates, but Holland has always been a reliever, and there seems to be good reason for that. I’d try Crow first, but Holland is another good option.
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Crow or Holland possible for a winter-league gig to stretch a little and work on a pitch? I’ve read that Crow has three grips for his change. When asked why, he answered: “Because none of them work.”
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