Royals Head Into a Quiet 2011 MLB Trade Deadline Eve
A quiet Saturday thus far, as we ramble towards the final 24 hours of quasi-trade-deadline week. While there hasn't been much reported activity involving the Royals, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Last year if you recall, the hottest Royals rumor was the awesomely horrible and pointless Guillen-Francoeur rumor, which was so sublimely macabre that it seemed to have it's own impetus, despite not making sense for anyone.
In the last few days I've been talked into the fact that there might be some utility in keeping Melky Cabrera around, but in the end, I'd rather both him and Francoeur be traded, and I'll be annoyed if neither are. Last year we all applauded when the Royals got essentially nothing back for Callaspo-Podsednik-Ankiel-Farnsworth etc. I don't think that was the wrong response, though we need to acknowledge that, in the end, all the Royals got for all that activity was whatever you think of Tim Collins and a vaguely interesting prospect Will Smith.
Rany brought up the point in his podcast this week that, while the new orthodoxy is that of course you trade whatever spare parts you can for whatever you can, perhaps there is a point where the return is just so small that you shouldn't make the deal. Does there come a point where the package being offered, for, say, Francoeur, is just so small that really all your doing is facilitating the other side's stretch run? As teams have come to value prospects more and more over the last decade, we've seen the trade market collapse. There are still exceptions, of course, but I think there is something to Rany's argument. Perhaps.
The other point to remember is that the Beltran and Pence deals needed to happen to allow the other, more minor (in some cases) outfield moves to take place. Fukudome has also moved, so we're starting to get to the point where teams that are looking for outfield help are now turning to what the Royals have with greater interest.
If you want my prediction, I say that the Royals will trade one player this weekend. I was tempted to write two, but I'm just not sure who the second would be. Francis? A fascinating Gordon or Butler trade? Soria? The Royals just don't have many interesting players that fit the deadline mold. Keyboards at the ready...
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Very nice
I wrote a very similar piece at the same exact time as you. I’d love to see Frenchy moved, just don’t think it will happen. Most likely to be Francis is what I am thinking. It would make the least sense, so thus meaning the most sense in Royals logic.
The Royals were priced out of the OF market
With Beltran and Pence being moved, that took the Giants and Phillies out of the equation.
The Braves are still looking for OF help but the potential targets Quentin, Bourn, Ludwick and Willingham are either better than Melky and Frenchy or much cheaper.
That leaves the Indians and Pirates as potential buyers. However, these teams aren’t willing to give up much of anything.
Then there is the Nationals
Who are randomly pursuing BJ Upton or Dernard Span
Yes
And Upton, Span > Melky >> Frenchy
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So they’ll pay any price to get the better players? Why did the Nats trade for Gomes? Did they think he’s better than Upton and Span?
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
There is, in truth...
…no logic to any of this. We’ll all go crazy trying to out-think Mike Rizzo at this point.
I think it’s fair to simply say anything’s possible. I hope DM is talking to him, and as long as Rizzo is acting nutty, start out asking for Detwiler or Peacock….
I’m not saying anything is going to happen. But Austin appears to be arguing in multiple threads that of course no one is interested in trading for Melky or Francoeur because there are better players on the trading block. Well, lesser players get traded for at the deadline all the time, and it is because not every team is willing to pay the huge price for the most talented players. See the Johnny Gomes, Scott Podsednik and Rick Ankiel trades (and many, many more)
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That is not what I am saying
What I am arguing is that when you’ve got six to eight better options at a wide variety of price points rival GMs are going to wait and see if they can get one of them first before settling on Plan D-12 (Frenchy).
Melky’s a bit of a different case because of his potential value next year.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Where were Pods and Ankiel on the list last year?
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure.
My comment was directed specifically at the situation in Washington.
Actually, Melky seems to have one of the more reasonable talent/contract ratios on the market right now, doesn’t he?
Yeah
Problem with Melky is no one believes in him. No way to get back value on him.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You have no idea how other GM’s feel about Melky right now.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is hilarious
First, it comes from the guy most likely on the board to claim omniscience. Second, it comes from the guy who has spent hundreds of posts across dozens of threads talking about how much Melky sucks.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And now you’e really gone off the rails.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no one believes in him
I’d put that in the “anything can happen” category, too. You just never know what GM’s think. They can be a wacky bunch.
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by Warden11 on Jul 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Waiting out the market
Look what Jerry Hairston brought—the tenth prospect in the worst minor league system in baseball, a C+ totally fringy outfield. Frenchy’s not going to command much beyond that. Melky’s worth more, but no one really believes his performance this year. In addition, DM is handicapped by both players having been Braves, left on their asses, and completely unwelcome back there. I think Melky for another year + a possible comp pick after 2012 is worth more than any likely package DM will be offered. Melky/Gordon/Cain would be a perfectly decent OF to enter next year with.
As far as starters go, I think it is pretty tough to get teams all that interested in a guy like Francis while a pitcher like Doug Fister is available. I can still see Francis being moved.
The guy I think COULD be moved is Aviles. There are enough teams looking for middle infield help that he could be a decent fill in.
My guess for trades three weeks ago was Betemit, Francis, and Aviles. I think that’s still a possible outcome, although I am a now lot less hopefuli on Francis/Aviles than I was.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
KABOOM!
#Royals acquire INF Yamaico Navarro and RHP Kendal Volz from #RedSox for INF Mike Aviles.
My guess was right!
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To me he is the clear guy
I hope that’s why he’s been playing recently.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it happening
He’s got absolutely no value right now it seems like
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I expect cash for Aviles
He isn’t that valuable
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no, Aviles for Pulols
and since we are stacked to the ceiling at 1B/DH, it won’t happen
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Heyman just tweeted
@SI_JonHeyman #royals are keeping frenchy and melky, i hear. they want them in kc when kids start to develop. #tradedeadline
Great.
Time to trim the fat Dayton….The kids are already starting to develop….We can’t have a 35 man roster.
queue insanity wolf
Commit to MELKY
TRADE FOR LORENZO CAIN
by Freneau on Jul 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Cain
could be seen as a throw-in, insurance for the OF, while Escobar and Odorizzi were what the Royals wanted. I do think the commitment to Melky worked out well.
by Jim Fetterolf on Jul 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Did it work out long-term?
Or is it going to hurt because he’s blocking the long-term CFer of the future?
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course. But he’s the best long-term option the Royals have. And he needs to be developed to maximize his chance to succeed.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
what makes him a better option than melky though?
if melky can continue at this rate, or slightly below say wrc+ 110, why just cast him away because you have a guy who might produce at this level behind him?
Because Melky is only around for one more year at most.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Long Term Option?
Hmmm…maybe these players would have something to say about that?
David Lough
Wil Myers
Brett Eibner
Bubba Starling
Elier Hernandez
Jorge Bonafacio
David Lough
ha ha ha
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At some point, Eibner or Starling could certainly be the Royals CFer. But they are both several years away. Lough is a 4th OFer at best. We’d be fortunate if Myers can handle a corner OF spot defensively. CF is essentially out of the question. Hernandez and Bonifacio don’t deserve to be in the discussion.
So yeah, Cain is the best long-term CF option unless and until Eibner or Starling become major league ready (which of course may never happen). Cain, on the other hand, is ready now.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
blocking the long-term CFer of the future?
Gets back to whether Cain is the long-term CF of the future, especially with possibilities in the minors. Cain was a good acquisition, based on Melky’s recent past, but not sure I see a reason to believe that he is an improvement through 2012. If Melky can be traded for a hot-snot prospect, then fine, give Cain a chance. If not we keep a guy who is performing and under control for another year. Having a little depth is something Royals’ fans aren’t used to.
by Jim Fetterolf on Jul 30, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What possibilities are there in the minors for CF?
Eibner?
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not at all reall possibilities for a major league starting CF.
Not that any of us have seen. WE already tried that with Joey Gaithright.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. thats why i said they're better as 4th OF's.
if they take that role they can be useful. i want dyson back, i miss the speed.
But he said long term CF of the future.
Not 4th outfielder.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Melky is only under team control through 2012
And the Royals contending future is beyond that. The Royals need to develop the player who has a real shot at helping the Royals for that contending future, not the player who might get the Royals to 77 wins in 2012 (if multiple things break right).
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you drunk?
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Virtue out of necessity
There was enough smoke a few weeks ago that I’m sure DM was trying to move ’em.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And got no offers?
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
dammit
dammit…
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This man is solidifying his position as worst GM in baseball. Again.
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by Lum on Jul 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He can build a farm system.
But he can’t build a major league team. At least in the starting pitching department.
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A farm system is useless if you block all your prospects with mediocre players
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Excuse me
Didn't you mean mistake-free players?
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Excuse me
Didn't you mean developing players?
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by buddyball on Jul 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I forgot that we could throw away all of Francoeur and Melky's previous PAs in their career
my bad
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My goodness
He can dump Frenchy for little to no return in August. It’s not like the deadline really matters for Frenchy.
Wouldn't a team just claim him off waivers?
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not gonna happen
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Why aren't
Jack, Billy ,and Gordon enough to mentor these kids as they come up? Because they wear pants during BP? This is getting old. I’m kinda ok with Melky coming back, but if Cain and Gia don’t get promoted this year, then it has been an epic failure.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Jack is a Mexican, Billy is fat and has a silly beard, and Gordon has plate discipline
We gotta have real Americans like Jeff Francoeur and Melky Cabrera teach these kids how to play America’s Game.
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by Lum on Jul 30, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Harsh
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I regret this comment
If it could be deleted that would be nice
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I'm getting a little too upset about this D:
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You think that's harsh?
I mean, it is harsh, technically. But is it too harsh?
by moregritplease on Jul 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, It was just inappropriate for me to say
More emotion-driven than thought-driven, and it’s not the kind of person I am to say things like that.
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It's gonna be awesome next yearwhen the bench coach is
Jason Kendall
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yarrrgh
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You're welcome.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
At lease I used
this font
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm going to the nats game tonight...
so I fully expect an epochal Soria/Gordon trade to the Rays or something tonght
for Jeff Niemann
yayyyyy
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Rays At Mariners
Is the Fox game at 1130 ADT. I’ll see if anyone is suspiciously benched.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when people assured us that Francoeur or Melky would be dealt 8mos ago?
yeah… about that..
GOTTA HAVE THEM HERE WHEN THE KIDS GET HERE
even if DM will then go and claim that we have enough rookies, and that’s why Giavotella and Cain won’t get promoted
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Don't even need to promote our prospects
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by Lum on Jul 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
we may not have the best system in baseball history
if we promote all of them..
Lorenzo Cain needs more seasoning.. he doesn’t have as many hits in the majors as Melky does this year.
So half the return for Greinke has already been tossed away, so hopefully Odorizzi doesn’t hit a wall in AA or else we just got only Alcides Escobar for Zack Greinke
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Chairman, The Melky Cabrera Seasoning Sauce. It's great on your outfield!
Yeah,
But Escobar had 2 doubles last night!
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to come up with a snarky response
but all that comes through is uncontrollable rage
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extra angle
DM doesn’t have enough job security to just tank 2011 by trading any veteran of value.. Dan and David may notice the four 93+ loss seasons in 5 years and are putting the pressure on Dayton to top 67-95 in 2011.
If this team is on pace to lose 90 in 2013, Dayton Moore loses his job. Or at least he should.
The goal for 2013 is at least 81 wins.. but right now, they don’t have the pitching in the majors or minors to be a winning team next year
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That's the point. GMDM needs pitchers
We dint have ammo for pitchers.. Soooo it is just a wait and judge the trade or wait and judge that we didn’t trade at all
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by Mas Cervezas on Jul 30, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ROYALS ACQUIRE TOP PROSPECTS YAMAICO NAVARRO AND KENDAL VOLZ FROM RED SOX FOR PLAYOFF PUSH
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Why didn't we just leave his ass there?
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Red Sox acquired infielder Mike Aviles from the Royals for infielder Yamaico Navarro and pitcher Kendal Volz, according to the Royals' official Twitter feed.
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this thread needs more aviles links
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http://www.redsoxreview/2011/7/30/redsox_fleece_royals.htm
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by dejackso on Jul 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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I just got Rick-rolled
God damn it, it is ON!
Sounds like Yuni
from years ago #lazycomp
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We traded Aviles for Aviles and a lottery ticket
“Overall, Navarro isn’t likely to turn into a star, but he has the tools and flashes the skills to be a valuable asset, providing defensive versatility and more offensive upside than most utilitymen. At age 23, he’s still young enough to develop beyond that role.”
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How many average or better MLB seasons has he had?
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Younger With Room
To improve, but unproven.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He's seen ML ball at 23
Aviles was in high A ball at that age.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that tells me everything I need to know.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
so...
a 23 yr old light hitting IF utility guy and a 23 year old high-A reliever. Organizational filler.
THE WILL MCDONALD REVERSE JINX
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Jul 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
like betemit...
Dayton destroyed Aviles’s trade value for weeks and then dealt him for filler.
Haha...
Did anyone honestly believe that Betemit or Aviles had any sort of significant trade value?
Indians got Carlos Santana for Casey Blake a couple years ago...
strange things happen.
Blake Has Been
A pretty good all around player for a long time.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 30, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
DM's turning the phone off now
We got Yamaico Navarro.. therefore fulfilling our need for a utility infielder to play once a week.
I’m not really attaching any weight to Navarro’s hitting with Boston since his starts have been infrequent, but he could be better than Getz
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Well, we pretty much got Aviles and a pitching prospect for Aviles.
I’m alright with that.
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no way that navarro hits as well as Aviles.
no chance at all.
I'm sure he'll hit almost as good as Aviles.
He seemed to hit well when we saw him.
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if he doesn't step in the bucket on every swing, that will be an improvement
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this ^
Okay, well maybe we should tell that to Rain Man, because he practically bankrupted a casino, and he was a ri-tard.
by Clearly Ambiguous on Jul 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it's a small sample size.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
.216 average in 16 games this year.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
Aviles isn't much better.
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So has the rest of the league.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha!
Aviles has been awesome at the plate this year the last few years. Very reliable and consistent. High bar for navarro set here.
Okay, well maybe we should tell that to Rain Man, because he practically bankrupted a casino, and he was a ri-tard.
by Clearly Ambiguous on Jul 30, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So He Replaces
Gio in Omaha when he cames to KC.
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Volz scouting report
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/volz-kendal.htm
Volz possesses a heavy 88-91 MPH fastball that he tries to work down in the strike zone. Fastball shows late finish and downward action. At its best when spotted low on the corners and out of the middle of the plate. Volz has cleaned up his delivery to reduce strain on his arm. Uses a 77-81 MPH slider to generate swings and misses later in the count. Currently an average offering, but potential for him to sharpen into more of a power slider. Sprinkles in a low-80s straight changeup to keep batters honest. After being stretched out in first professional season as a starter, the organization has moved Volz into a bullpen role where his stuff plays up much better. Profiles as a 6th/7th inning reliever with further sharpening of arsenal and command.
Unless they call up Gia
Then yes.
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The wording of the official tweet suggests that isn't happening:
Day before deadline deal – Royals have acquired infielder Yamaico Navarro and minor league pitcher Kendal Volz from Red Sox for Mike Aviles.
Note that Volz is a “minor leaguer,” but Navarro isn’t.
Only Because They
Called him up. I’m sure he has options left.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt...
…on the other hand, I think it does suggest he’s not getting on a plane to Omaha right now. That’s all I was suggesting. We know that to be true at this point, anyway, without reading between the lines of an official Royals tweet. So, my tea-leaf reading services are clearly no longer needed here…
I wonder if he can get there before 6:00
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
aroundthehornkc Official Royals Blog
Navarro will join the #Royals in Cleveland. Volz, who pitched at Salem in the Carolina League, will join Wilmington.
So confirmed, navarro replaces aviles
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Jul 30, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
My wife is going to be devestated, she loved micah.
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by trusttheprocess on Jul 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldstein on 610
“Really nice deal for the Royals.” Two good players for an “up and down utilityman.”
“Two decent prospects. Navarro is kinda like Aviles… a 23 year old version of the guy you’re trading with more upside.”
“Volt a first round type in draft, remade himself into a good relief prospect.”
“Not big upside guys.”
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It's a lot more than I thought they were gonna get
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Scouting Report:
Not initially a heralded signing, Navarro has impressed the Sox brass during his rise up the organizational ladder. He has an athletic build for a shortstop, with a little bit of bulk. At the plate, he makes good contact and generates great loft off his bat, resulting in a lot of hard liners. Above-average power for a middle infielder. Quick wrists, nice bat speed, great balance. Hits fastballs better than breaking balls. A little too aggressive at the plate, could stand to be more selective. Average speed. Has the tools to be a plus defender at shortstop and third base, also has some experience at second base. Sure glove, above-average arm, excellent fluidity. But the focus and effort is not always there defensively. He has also had some problems with executing double plays, but that seems to be improving. Entertaining to watch, turns a lot of gems in the field with an Ozzie Smith-like electricity. To expand his versatility, the front office began giving Navarro reps at all three outfield positions with Pawtucket in 2011.
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A sleeper talent in the Red Sox system, Yamaico Navarro is a native of The Land of Shortstops, San Pedro de Macoris, and he shows ever sign of following in the footsteps of so many who came before. A bit bulky for a shortstop, he might be best suited for second or third base, but for now he’s an offensive-minded middle infielder with a powerful, aggressive approach at the plate. His bat is quick, and he adds some natural loft to most of his line drives, which means he could be a serious Miguel Tejada type threat in a couple more years. In the field, he’s a bit clumsy around the bag, but has a plus arm and slick glove, with a penchant for turning in dazzling plays at least once a week. Navarro isn’t much more than a dark horse option on the Red Sox depth chart, but if he continues to grow and develop, he’ll force management to start considering him as a viable long-term option for Fenway.
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