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I'm sorry Sam, but I'm more interested in the quality of the Royals team

…than in promotions, and whether the Negro Leagues promotion includes throwback jerseys or not. This seems like a pretty small thing to get fired up about and take a slap at the team. Sam, why can’t you build up the nerve to take a slap at the team for actual baseball decisions?

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2011 2:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Before he could do that, there would have to be reasons for the slap.

I don’t think he can slap them for anything that has not been hashed and rehashed. Maybe I’m forgetting something.

Concerning this column though, I think it’s a good slap. Going cheap on something like this is bullshit, and it’s a bullshit excuse to not spend money. The uniforms are the single most influential part of grabbing attention. The Negro Leagues should be remembered that way, not by some stupid pennant.

by hawkinscm87 on Jul 8, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think he can slap them for anything that has not been hashed and rehashed

Not in the KC Star. But that paper’s sports section isn’t about rocking the boat. Especially on the baseball side, they don’t want to make waves. They take it nice and easy so that they don’t lose access. But yeah, there’s a lot to criticize the Royals front office for. And I don’t buy the “that’s ancient history; everything the Royals FO is doing now is just right!” argument. Would it be silly for someone in the Star to critically evaluate Moore’s tenure with the Royals? Is everything but “the future is brigh!” old news?

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are things to criticize about...

But we probably don’t know what those things are.

by hawkinscm87 on Jul 8, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott, even if you disagree with Sam

…I have to think that if Sam could only take one shot at the team, I would MUCH rather have Sam take it over an issue that intersects with serious issues of equality and justice in our society, rather than whether the Royals are a good baseball team or not, which intersects with none of those weightier issues.

And I think part of the reason Sam did get so upset about it was because it did bring back memories of when the Royals really were too cheap to pay tribute to the Negro Leagues, which is, in a word, shameful. Sure, it may not have been malicious or cold-hearted on the part of the Royals, but it was probably pretty tone-deaf. I think that is a fair criticism to make.

by DarthYoshi on Jul 8, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta say I'm with Scott on this one

Let’s win ballgames now and work on promotions later. I am just about sick of hearing about the Negro Leagues. My awareness has been more than raised. Buck O’Neil has been overexploited to the point that he’s become a “magical Negro.” The museum is terrible; there’s virtually nothing in it.

There’s no connection between the Royals and the Monarchs except they played baseball in the same city sixty years apart; you could even argue that the Royals are misappropriating the Monarchs’ history and tradition, since those things do not belong to the current Major Leagues, the same leagues that once blackballed the Monarchs’ players.

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by Juancho on Jul 8, 2011 4:16 AM EDT reply actions  

That sounds like a Catch 22 for the Negro Leagues and the museum:

People don’t enjoy learning/remembering the Negro Leagues because the museum is terrible and has little in it. The museum is terrible and without the resources to have much in it because people don’t have the exposure to learning/remembering the Negro Leagues.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 8, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know why they don't capitalize on marketing merchandise

Its hard to find good Negro League memorabilia. Do they not own the rights or something? Seems like they could have a really nice gift shop.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

They’d have HUGE online sales, and would probably drum up even more regional interest in merchandise sales alone. Vintage/throwback sports apparel has been very popular and is unlikely to go away anytime soon.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the museum were not so worthless

maybe people who had not already been exposed to the Magical Negroness of the Negro Leagues might learn something. The way it is, it’s a ripoff because they charge you like seven bucks to see a bunch of replica team uniforms that are then for sale at the gift shop. And if you pay like five bucks more, you can see Charlie Parker’s saxophone at the totally useless Jazz Hall of Fame.

As it is, the Royals have no business profiting off the Monarchs’ history.

"First we got the bomb and that was good, 'cause we love peace and motherhood
Then Russia got the bomb but that's okay, 'cause the balance of power's maintained that way
Then France got the bomb, but don't you grieve, 'cause they're on our side (I believe)
Then China got the bomb, but have no fears, they can't wipe us out for at least five years" --Tom Lehrer

by Juancho on Jul 8, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The idea it's "cheap" is laughable

it might be lots of things, but can we really level the “cheap” jibe at this organization right now? That’s just dropped a record bonus on a 16 year Latin kid this week? That will fire $7m at Bubba Starling next month? Etc etc etc.

The Royals are poorly managed, in the front office and on the field. But they ain’t “cheap” anymore.

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by kcbottom9th on Jul 8, 2011 5:49 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Buy a ticket to the museum

get a free Royals ticket…should be an easy one.

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by Royal Kingdom on Jul 8, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded

That’s almost too obvious of a solution which helps both sides.

by rockchalk on Jul 8, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Royals PR VP Toby Cook was just on 610

He told 610 sports that the Royals have donated close to a quarter-million dollars to the museum in the last five years. And money was not an issue, they just decided to take a break from the uniforms this year and focus on Buck O’Neil’s 100th B-day.

I'm very much interested in the process of pitching." -Brian Banister

by Hanging Brainister on Jul 8, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I have a hard time believing this was a financial decision

considering the money we have basically agreed to drop on amateur talent the last month. This was really a poor piece by Mellinger.

by deezle on Jul 8, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great to hear!

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll add some incite from a (somewhat) "inside" perspective:

While I think Scott has a good point – it would be nice to see the Star do a serious piece on the bigger picture, in the interest of fairness, I thought I’d pass along these tidbits, which I have known about a while this year, but not yet posted here:

1) Royals eliminated the Royal ambassadors this season. (These are not the ushers, mind you – these are the, for the lack of a better word, the greeters who were at the top of every few aisles to help fans, answer questions, etc.)

2) Royals have severly reduced their usher staff. Used to be an usher for every aisle, now, in some areas, one usher is covering a larger section. This means that many of the ushers that used to work regularly now are only needed for 10 or 15 games a year.

3) Royals started opening the gates an hour before the game instead of an hour and a half. According to several ushers I know, this was done to prevent usher overtime on homestands where 7 games fell within one week. The extra half-hour a game tends to keep their weekly hours just under 40 for the week.

4) Royals have their ushers collect plastic soda and beer bottles about the 7th inning or so. They are recycled, I’m told. Love to give them the benefit of the doubt (they’re doing it for the environment would be the argument here); however, I’m cynical enough to believe they are doing it for the recycled value AND the savings from reduced cleanup costs.

I’m sure there are other cost-cutting measures I’m unaware of. Sure, one could argue that it is sensible for them to cut costs – but one could also argue that they are cutting petty items, at the cost of customer service, and during a season when they should earn approximately $40m in profit.

Viewed in this light, maybe Sam’s article IS meaningful. Just perhaps, it is an indication of the TRUE mentality of ownership.

I’ll ONLY be convinced Glass actually wants to win when he makes a meaningful financial commitment, at the appropriate time, to put a near-contending team “over the top”. Is this harsh on my part? I don’t think so. The man has not done nearly enough to earn ANY benefit of the doubt, in my opinion.

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

That sounds like a very Wal-Mart way of approaching things

Maybe that’s just stating the obvious.

I like this line

The man has not done nearly enough to earn ANY benefit of the doubt, in my opinion.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 8, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would be hard to lower cleanup costs...

Especially when machines do most of the work.

Also, I’m ok with them avoiding overtime pay for ushers. But I’m not okay with the gates opening only an hour early.

by hawkinscm87 on Jul 8, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t have a problem trying to cut back a bit, and I don’t think customer service will be affected that much – except for opening the gates later. A lot of people like to watch BP and try to get autographs.

The plastic bottles and soda thing is an initative I believe in conjunction with Bridging the Gap – a sustainability non-profit. I really don’t think they should be criticized for that.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

did not know that - thanks

(my assumption is the “price” Glass pays for his reputation – I’ll bet fans think they same thing I did about it)

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Jul 8, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno...

all of those things you mentioned…i dont have a problem with. its not hard to find your seats anywhere in the stadium….no need for a bunch of ushers. ive been to hundreds of royals games and have no idea who these ambassadors that you’re referring to are…they dont seem to be a good use of money.

Regarding the soda and beer bottles, do they force you to give them to you even if you’re not finished? If not, thats a very petty thing to complain about.

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 8, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

They walk around in between innings and ask if you have any plastic trash you would like them to take. It’s very helpful if you have a butt load of water/beer bottles around you. I don’t see what the problem is.

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by NaturalsLight on Jul 8, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...seems like glass is just trying to get his ushers to do some work....

how dare he…even with this tough task, they still spend most of their time getting paid to watch a baseball game

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 8, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They walk around in between innings and ask if you have any plastic trash you would like them to take

So, they’re flight attendants, minus bringing drinks?

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by Royal Kingdom on Jul 8, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

better than what they're doing if they're not flight attending...

which is keeping people off the rails in between innings

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 8, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cost cutting measure that bothers me the most

is that not only do they no longer sell scorecards as you walk in, but they changed them to miniature ones about the size of a normal sheet of paper. I do not have good handwriting as it is and it is very difficult for me to accurately keep score on them.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Jul 8, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the responsibility of not just the Royals but all of MLB to promote the museum.

It seems that the Royals have to take full responsibility because we are in the same town for something that should be honored by all of MLB.

I'm very much interested in the process of pitching." -Brian Banister

by Hanging Brainister on Jul 8, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i just dont get why its MLBs job at all to support the museum...

if they want it to be worthwhile, its the people involved with it that need to make it so. do the fundrasing, do the marketing, get people interested. its not a charity. if they think they’re not getting enough visibility…send the stuff to the HOF…im sure they’d have no problem finding a way to make it work.

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 8, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I think it is a charity.

And MLB should support it because it helps promote the game of baseball, which is ultimately good for baseball. Not to mention that there decades-long policy of segregation made the Negro Leagues necessary in the first place.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

or they could just give up and move it to the baseball hall of fame where it belongs...

if they want exposure and recognition for the negro leagues, then this is the only reasonable option.

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 9, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wouldn't work. It makes too much sense.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Jul 10, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you opposed to the college basketball hall of fame in KC?

I don’t see why there would be a presumption of one hall of fame per sport. If the Cooperstown Hall of Fame doesn’t do justice to the Negro Leagues (and maybe even if it does), there should be a Negro Leagues Hall of Fame. If the Cooperstown Hall of Fame doesn’t do justice to college baseball, there should be a College Baseball Hall of Fame.

by KSinDC on Jul 11, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree that the Museum should do more marketing.

But the operating cost that the museum needs is very small compared to the grants and funding that MLB teams give organizations. Also when players fail to show up to accept their awards from the museum that hurts. Museum could made so much more money last year if Albert Pujols attended.

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by Hanging Brainister on Jul 8, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

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