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The Young Royals

This is what we've wanted all along. Of course, it's easier for the organization now, and more acceptable to more fans, given that these are not only young players, but hyped young prospects who are already mini-stars.

Through so many bad Royals seasons I was worn down by the pointlessness of the roster. Oh, wee, here's Terrence Long and Scott Elarton and Mike Jacobs and whomever. Guys with no future in the game or with the Royals. Shane Costa may have been no better (or even worse) but at least you could imagine the beginning of something. Yet the Royals never truly went young. Anyone order more Bloomquist?

This year, thankfully, they have. In June, I noted that the Royals were by weighted average the youngest team in baseball. The youngest lineup, the youngest pitchers, the youngest. Here were their numbers on June 13th:

  • Hitters: 26.9
  • Pitchers: 26.1

Today, the weighted average for Royals position players is down to 26.4 years of age. The AL average is 29 years, to give you a sense of scale. No one in the American League is really close to the Royals (Minnesota is next at 27.8) and that's without the next month of the average age continuing to drop as a number of rookies keep playing.

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The pitchers have actually gotten a little older, despite all the kids in the bullpen. Today, the weighted average for Royals pitchers is 26.3, a tick up from where it was in August. That change is explained by young pitchers O`Sullivan and Mazzaro losing their starts to Paulino (27) and the continued presence of Francis (30) and Chen (34), the latter returning from his absence in early summer.

Royal hurlers are still, as a group, the youngest in the AL, although the Indians are now closing in (26.5 average).

Last year, the average age of Royal hitters was 28.9, in 2009, the pitchers were at 27.5. I like this version of a bad team so much better.

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by Lum on Aug 11, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It is exactly what we wanted

With the exception of the goddamn starting rotation. They are playing the kids, with the single exception of Lorenzocaine, who needs to be brought up soon.

We may lose but at least we will be trying rather than going through the motions.

"When asked who was responsible for his going down in flames
He pointed to the offices and said 'You all know their names'
So hurry home early, hurry, let's go
Boom Boom Mazzaro's facing Robby Canó" --Not Warren Zevon

by Juancho on Aug 12, 2011 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I Was Counting

On Monty being up by now. That’s a disappointment.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 12, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not go all out?

Call up Cheslor Cuthbert. Now.

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!

by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 12, 2011 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Now, the onus is on...

…the fans to be patient for the next 3 years as this plays out. It’ll take 3 years to truly know the potential ceiling of our young folks. The thing is, I’ll bet we’ll be calling for GMDM’s head if he does nothing else between now and Sept. 30, 2012 and it’s our players who are under-performing. – TL

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Aug 12, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

There will be no patience

Dayton has been saying, “just wait for these prospects to get to the majors” for years now. A whole bunch of them are here now. More will come in 2012. Next year will be the first full season for many of these guys and the fans (and perhaps Glass) will demand results. He’ll get a pass for 2011, but not 2012.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 12, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

GMDM has gotten a pass for 5 years now

I expect a lot of growing pains in 2012, so I’m willing to give him another year to find the combination of players that make for the best roster. But, if he can’t make enough improvements to the Major League roster between now and the end of 2012 (or beginning of 2013) to compete in 2013 and 2014, then he needs to go. Even if it’s the players who are “under-performing”, they are his players, and it’s his responsibility to find players who perform.

by Loose Seal on Aug 12, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think patience for 2012 make sense. I just don't think the vast majority of fans will react that way.

If the team performs fairly well (.500 record or better), the fans will be happy. If it doesn’t, they’ll be out for blood.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 12, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if you're going to fire him...

Let him and his staff conduct the next draft. That’s probably the best thing they do. I wish they would have conducted the 2006 draft.

by hawkinscm87 on Aug 12, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Firing him doesn't necessitate firing the rest of his staff

Im comfortable with keeping everyone involved in building the minor league system (except Dayton). Give them each 20% raises and fire everyone else.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Well, what I mean is that people should be patient with this group of talent (prospects and rookies) because they all aren’t going to be good right away. However, I don’t think that Moore deseres more patience. I think we know what he is as a GM (and that’s basically a very good minor league director and no more). He should be congratulated for building an excellent minor league system and then given his walking papers. Let someone else get the ball over the goalline.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 12, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t watched this many August games in years. Losing, even a loss like the blown save Wednesday, doesn’t seem to bother me nearly as much.

Wish they were in town this weekend, I would probably go.

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by sfeldkamp on Aug 12, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

amen to this
I like this version of a bad team so much better.

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Aug 12, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

All time

Youngest batters in Royals history:
1969: 25.8. 1970 was 2nd youngest, and this year is the 3rd youngest. 2012 could very well break the record.

This is only the seventh youngest pitching staff ever. Again, 1969 was tops with 25.2. 2005 surprisingly was second, followed by 2000.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 12, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno...

…1969 was ridiculously young.

Also, while the algorithm is a little too complex to explain here, I have come up with a system that projects the age of individual players in a given year. According to my calculations, each of the current members of the team is looking to be roughly one year older next season.

by kcemigre on Aug 12, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's ridiculously pessimistic
According to my calculations, each of the current members of the team is looking to be roughly one year older next season.

What are the error bars on that kind of projection?

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 12, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used all the datapoints available. Having done so, I can conclusively state that, pursuant to even the most basic of Fetterolf computational rules, there’s no possibility of any error at all.

by kcemigre on Aug 12, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...but throw out 30 starts by 27 year old kila

100 between 30 year old pena and 35 year old treanor…however many betemit and aviles had etc…i dont know…not looking that closely at the math so i could be completely wrong

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Aug 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Averaging pitcher age and batter age together...

…this is also the third youngest overall roster in team history, at 26.35 years old. That’s right behind 1969 (25.5) and 1970 (26.3).

Also, looking at year-to-year drops in age, the 1.8 year drop between 2010 and 2011 is the biggest since 1999 (remember Dos Carlos?), when the drop was 1.85 years. The only bigger drop in overall age in franchise history happened in 1984 (an overall drop of 3.15 years!), when Gubicza and Saberhagen came up, and Danny Jackson got a full season, knocking vets like Steve Renko and Gaylord Perry off of the staff.

Here’s hoping the future holds more of what was to come in 1984 and not so much of what happened after 1999…

by kcemigre on Aug 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Gentlemen, is the rebirth of the Royals

Ill gladly watch a Loss knowing that these are our guys, our young rookies, whom of which will get better and better every year.

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Aug 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

We hope anyway

Baltimore is kind of the nightmare.

Edgar knows best.

by kcbottom9th on Aug 12, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed...

but they didnt have quite as many young guys….their position prospects outside of weiters and jones were nothing to write home about…their pitching was stacked though and has been an absolute disaster

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Aug 12, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a site

that keeps track of total years of team control remaining on each team’s 25-man roster? Even more than age, that’s a number that would be cool to see.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 12, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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