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Today is deadline day for Bubba Starling and the rest of the zillion guys drafted this summer. I haven't heard a single rumbling that Starling won't sign with the Royals, it really just seems to be a matter of price. Other matters included: Moose talk, minor league updates, Kila news, a classic bit from Lookout Landing, and discussions of the World War II (turns out that it might not have been the Atom Bomb that made Japan surrender) & matters up north.

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    I hate that thing

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    by Lum on Aug 15, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

    somebody needs to shake him out of that

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    by sfeldkamp on Aug 15, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

    George Peppard...nice answer

    I used to love Banecek….when I was college, Banecek and Have Gun Will Travel came on late after Letterman…..for the mid 80s, this was the zenith of TV culture as far as I was concerned….you couldn’t spend a better 2 hours in front of the set than the Letterman/Have Gun will Travel/Banecek trio….

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

    He Almost Punched

    Paul Williams on the set of the Tonight show, and did one armed pushups.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Aug 15, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

    love the Peppard ref.

    If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.

    by setupunchtag on Aug 15, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I wonder what the mood is around the Royals fanbase?

    Are people worried about Starling possibly not signing? Do they assume that will happen? Will there be panic at 10:45 pm CDT if no agreement has yet been announced?

    Personally, I’m not worried. I think few kids would choose the back breaking uncertainty of college football over the guaranteed $8M of pro baseball.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

    kids are stupid though, so we shall see

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    by Lum on Aug 15, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I guess

    But when you wave $8M under the nose of a stupid kid, I think he’d likely follow that wherever it might take him.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

    No doubt at all that he'll sign

    Esp since rpyals arent cheap anymore

    by Freneau on Aug 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I'm not worried at all

    I don’t think I’ll be all that pissed if he’s somehow stupid enough to go to college. Is there any chance he get’s a bigger bonus in 3 years than he gets now? Considering possible new CBA rules on rookie compensation and the time value of money, I don’t see how he could hope to do better. Especially since I’ve been hearing 7 and even 8 million and 10 million floated as possible amounts of the bonus. I don’t see the Royals offering less than 7.

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    by sfeldkamp on Aug 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I'd be shocked if he went to NU...

    whats the upshot? KC would get a compensation pick next year? Is it worth it to root for Huskers? I didn’t like Starling as a pick…high upside, but big downside too….no idea what next year’s crop looks like, maybe it would be blessing in disguise to end up with 2 top 10 picks next year??

    He signs tho. 99.9 percent I’d guess. 9 million.

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

    the guy we'd get at 6 next year wont be in starlings league...

    he was one of the elite talents in an elite draft…colon went at 4 last year…think more along those lines than starling

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Aug 15, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Supposed to be a much weaker draft next year

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    this years draft was pretty strong

    compared to Colon at 4 last year. I hate that pick so much.

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    by sfeldkamp on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't think the Royals fan base

    would get too downcast if Bubba refuses to sign. Bubba will do what he wants to do, but Royals fans still see the Royals drafting him for talent and willing to spend quite a bit of money to land him, which is good feeling as organizational policy.

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    by cmkeller on Aug 15, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

    The Royals' devoted fanbase, maybe, but as for general Kansas City sports fans

    who don’t follow the team closely, there has to be a great deal of pressure. In my 15 years of following sports in Kansas City, I can’t remember any other athlete being hyped this much/having this many features in the KC Star while still in high school. There’s certainly more pressure on the Royals to sign the local boy. Joe Six-Pack in Olathe doesn’t know nor care that the Royals have gone over slot for other players or been aggressive in the Latin American market – if they don’t sign Bubba, it’s just more evidence the Royals are a cheap team that probably wants to trade all their good players to the Yankees.

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    there was a ton written about tony temple in high school

    mellinger followed him around for like a month…in classes and everything

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Aug 15, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Forgot about him... and maybe Kareem Rush.

    Still, the pressure situation is still unique because none of those players were drafted by a local team.

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Do you really think

    that Joe Six-Pack will think of a $7M+ offer as being cheap? For a guy drafted not 1, 2, or 3 but 5?

    I hope that’s not really true.

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    by cmkeller on Aug 15, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Given the hype, and knowing that guys like A Rod sign for so much more,

    I think there will be some pressure from some quarters to sign no matter what the price is.

    While the economic situation in baseball is obviously skewed, a lot of the criticisms from people in frustrated small markets have little to no basis in fact (for example, the one about how the Royals supposedly trade all their players to the Yankees). “They wouldn’t even sign Bubba” would become one of these.

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jim Callis at BA has been saying for weeks now

    That he’ll be shocked if any first rounders don’t sign.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

    It seems likely that the Blue Jays won't sign their first round pick

    Per Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com.

    It’s “nearly certain” that the Blue Jays will not sign first rounder Tyler Beede, a right-handed high school pitcher out of Massachussets and the 21st overall pick, who will instead honor his commitment to Vanderbilt, a source tells Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com.

    Could be posturing though.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

    i havent heard too much other than kietzman blabbering about it

    with no sort of knowledge about how the signing process works in baseball for a guy that is going to be over slot. i dont think most people follow it too closely, and those that do, are confident that he’ll sign. they’ve been down this road a couple of times recently

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Aug 15, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Iggy Pops

    interesting article…being a rube, wasn’t aware of the guy. However, I do feel like our “intellectual” class has gone wanting in recent decades. Perhaps anti-intellectualism and the very nature of our modern media has diminished the voice of “the expert” so to speak, but I’ve always felt that our population is chronically misinformed (present company INCLUDED), and this obviously leads to all manner of chicanery and obfuscation which serves the powerful very nicely. Lots of details, context, or outright lies and manipulation get blended into the “debate” over serious issues…which makes for some very un-serious debate. Democracy in this country is damn near dead.

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

    i tend to think he was a victim of circumstance

    canadian politics is too fractured, especially on the left these days. not sure what the future of theliberal party is unless they merge with the NDP

    by Freneau on Aug 15, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Check Out His

    Classic 18 page concert contract rider.
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstage/arena-rock/iggy-pop

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    by philofthenorth on Aug 15, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

    His Meaning Iggy

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Aug 15, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

    This Is What

    Happens to idiots who scan the comments without reading any of these selections. Iggy Pop’s rider is still hilarious, though.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Aug 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    amen to that.

    If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.

    by setupunchtag on Aug 15, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    do you read

    the howler.com ? A journalist’s daily criticism of today’s journalism, in particular NYT and Wash Post (he is/was a Baltimore guy, I think , so he slants toward focusing on the political/D.C. side of things). Reminds me of TMQ, a bit, though generally more serious.

    Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 15, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm a big fan of Somersby and the Daily Howler

    between that and Beat the Press blog by Dean Baker, you could just about pass as somewhat informed….

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I should have listed the link,

    though if people google “Daily Howler”, that should do it

    www.dailyhowler.com

    I’ll check out Beat The Press (do they also post college basketball strategy?)

    Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 15, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Baker/Beat the Press is even grumpier and more cynical than Somersby, but sadly....

    no suggestions for beating a half court trap, let alone a full court press. He does point out the devils behind the housing bubble collapse. If you are looking for a good mix of politics and sports, I’d humbly suggest Charles Pierce (blogs for a boston paper), or if you are a flaming lefty, David Zirin at The Nation…..and FWIW, Daily Howler casts a broader net these days then NY Times or Wash Post, with MSNBC being a current bete noir….I like lefty writers who criticize “lefty” columists/talking heads/institutions…..you’ve got to police your own before you can even begin the arduous task of “debating” the non believers.

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I like the Howler in that it's very "manageable" in a concise, phone-readable way that I can read as

    I walk in to work or to/from lunch.

    And you’re right, I was only thinking of the print journalism he critiques, but CNN, MSNBC, et al, get plenty of heat thrown their way as well.

    Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    heat they richly deserve....

    I wish he could get on the sabbath gas bag circuit, or at least on some of the newsy shows….I’m just glad he’s out there doing God’s work…he was in Lincoln a few years ago and I saw him speak….he was pretty good. He was a classmate of Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones at Harvard….or Yale, wtf is the diff?

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm not worried about Bubba...

    The most recent sign was Patrick Leonard, right? That leaves 7 unsigned in the top twenty:

    1 Bubba Starling (OF)
    3 William Brickhouse (RHP)
    4 Kyle Smith (RHP)
    8 Evan Beal (RHP)
    12 Adam Schemenauer (LHP)
    16 Jack Lopez (SS)
    19 Matthew Flemer (RHP)

    Are we gonna sign all those HS arms? Also, will we set a record for signing bonuses along the way?

    by kcemigre on Aug 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

    I don't know

    I don’t think they are particularly difficult signs. It doesn’t seem like the Royals drafted many guys with signability issues. Doesn’t seem like they had many opportunities to do so.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

    it sounded like our 3-5 were all wanting a lot of money and were somewhat uncertain signs

    though it also sounds like we’ve met their demands.

    I thought things fell through with Beal and Schemenauer. I guess we’ll find out today.

    by 9il on Aug 15, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

    5 was Leonard. So, that one's done.

    I have also heard that Brickhouse and Smith are expected to sign…

    I had not heard anything about Beal or Schemenauer. Thanks for the info…

    by kcemigre on Aug 15, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I haven't heard much about these guys...

    …except for general “expect them to sign” stuff.

    So, I’m curious if anyone knows anything.

    Also, it was a highschool-heavy draft. While I haven’t heard that any of them will be particularly hard signs (except for the misguided Bubba-talk going on here and there), I do note that all of these kids have options, which usually does cost more. So, it seems possible that the collective result is an especially large chunk of change going out the door…

    by kcemigre on Aug 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Thankfully it seems like the Royals are ready to spend

    I think this is true in general of the amateur draft, and probably more true than ever given their current low payroll and the Meche nest egg. FWIW, they just signed the 29th round pick for $675K.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

    There were reports

    Beal and Schemenauer were already headed to college.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I had a "Bubba Burger" last night

    May God have pity on the Royals

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    by tiquanunderwear on Aug 15, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

    Great, more revisionist history

    Anything to minimize the importance of American power in the currents of history. We didn’t defeat the Japanese in WWII, the Soviets did. American anti-communism had nothing to do with the fall of the Warsaw Pact, it was bound to happen on its own.

    Just wait, soon enough we’ll be reading about how Americans didn’t win the Revolutionary War, but the British had been on the verge of giving up the colonies anyway.

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    by cmkeller on Aug 15, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

    I did have some questions about that article..

    it portrayed the Japanese as waiting for the best moment to strategically surrender. That doesn’t jive with my understanding that the Japanese did not believe in surrender; that doing so was unprecedented, but obviously, so was the atomic bomb.

    I mean, it is possible that the Soviets coming in was the straw that broke the camel’s back (though what I’ve read about the period suggests that the bomb really did have an effect), but would they have come in at that time if not for the bomb?

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And while I hesitate to argue with his thesis without reading the actual book,

    the article seems to ignore the fact that there is no contradiction between believing that leveling entire cities doesn’t always force surrender and still believing that nukes are a deterrent (as most non-North Korean governments are obviously going to want to do anything they can to avoid it for various reasons).

    Having said that, I think it’s a mistake to really draw any conclusions about nuclear war from what happened in 1945, because it was a unique time in world history when only one nation had atomic weaponry – a situation that almost certainly will never occur again.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!

    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    the soviet entry into the pacific war was certainly significant on our side

    and was one of the reasons we dropped the bomb when we did to avoid the situation we had in berlin. or so i’d heard. that doesn’t quite mesh with a USSR neutral in the pacific at the time of the bombing.

    by 9il on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    There certainly has been some debate

    on how much wanting to send a message to the Soviets post-war was a factor in the US’s decision to drop the bomb. Of course, few people (if any) in the State Department anticipated how fast US-Soviet relations would deteriorate after the war.

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That's not so much a "leap"

    as it is a “take-one-step-and-fall-on-your-face” comedy of illogic.

    I guess I just don’t understand the point. The Japanese leadership had proven time and time again for years and years that they just weren’t operating in the same reality as the rest of the world (non-Hitler Division, at least). Will it really be possible or useful to try to piece together exactly what was going through their minds in August 1945? If Hasegawa (or the article’s author) is doing it (even in part) to try to argue that nuclear weapons just don’t really matter, it’s a fool’s errand.

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 15, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    well...

    it is unlikely that the colonies would have succeeded without french money, weapons, and navy. I wouldn’t go so far as to give full credit to them though.

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    by sfeldkamp on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Wait, I thought he was talking about the French Revolution

    They at least mostly won that one.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yet, the French would never have helped us without Franklin.

    Also, Franklin would never have been our liason without his popularity from his writing and experiments (such as with lightning). Lightning would not exist without ice and ice would not exist without water. Water would not exist without hydrogen which is an extremely important component to that atomic bomb.

    Thus, the atomic bomb is related to our victory over the British and therefore was, at least indirectly, related to Japan surrendering.

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Do we still think we won the Revolution?

    We won the American Revolution the same way the Vietnamese won the Vietnam War: we hung around long enough for our more powerful enemy to say “this sucks; it costs too much money, and it’s just not worth it.” We didn’t defeat the British in any significant way. They were not weakened by our overwhelming forces…they just got tired and left. We won the Revolution because the British let us. We should give them the credit.

    by mikewormdog on Aug 15, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    From the very beginning, it was far from clear the colonists would succeed.

    Especially looking at the low points like Valley Forge. I think it’s fair to give “us” credit.

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This.

    I don’t remember the exact count on how many times Washington was almost forced out due to “incompetence,” but it was greater than one.

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think we can call it a clear win because they actually surrendered on the field of battle (Cornwallis surrendering to Washington, IRRC) and then signed the Treaty of Paris.

    A W is a W. Now you don’t always win because you overwhelm your enemy with greater force. The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I fail to see how that isn't a victory.

    It was a war not a sporting event; there aren’t style points for dominating the opponent or bad press for barely outlasting the other team. Americans wanted to be a separate province without influence from England (at least, eventually) and we pestered the UK until that happened. They gave up because we made it difficult for them. That’s on us.

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    War with Britain didn't end

    until after the War of 1812 (which we lost—they burned down Washington, D.C.!). We just happened to be independent by the time it was over. We probably could have lost independence had Britain really wanted us to.

    I guess we’re getting into semantics here. I’m glad they let us win, but just because you let your little brother beat you at basketball doesn’t necessarily mean he won in my book.

    by mikewormdog on Aug 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    War with Britain didn’t end
    until after the War of 1812 (which we lost—they burned down Washington, D.C.!). We just happened to be independent by the time it was over.

    I’m going to disagree with you there. I think there was a pretty clear quiet period between the end of the Revolution and the beginning of the War of 1812. British General Clinton left in disgrace and his replacement was forced to evacuate around 1783. We didn’t declare war with Britain until they tried to force us to stop trading with France in the 19th Century. That was, in my opinion, a separate war.

    I’m glad they let us win, but just because you let your little brother beat you at basketball doesn’t necessarily mean he won in my book.

    I had a history professor who was strongly against mixing sports analogies with historical events. I think this comment partially illustrates why. Britain didn’t let us win; they were forced out. Regardless of the actual mechanism of our victory, Britain made a cost-benefit analysis and left despite King George’s wishes.

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    This

    Regardless of the actual mechanism of our victory, Britain made a cost-benefit analysis and left despite King George’s wishes.

    With a Franco/Spanish/Dutch alliance on their doorstep, India to keep under control and so on, they didn’t pour as many resources into N. America as they otherwise could have.

    It is one of the great what if’s of history as to what would have happened if the planned Franco/Spanish invasion of 1779 hadn’t been abandoned at the last minute because of sailor’s dieing left right and center. The British would have been woefully short of manpower to defend it, and the course of modern history would be radically different.

    Edgar knows best.

    by kcbottom9th on Aug 15, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What if the Spanish Armada didn’t get destroyed in a storm in 1588 and managed to overthrow Queen Elizabeth?

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    But

    That’s only a theory!!!!!

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Evolution makes me sick.

    I can’t eat dairy.

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You pastoralists are so damn smug.

    Just because you guys have organized religions and the wheel doesn’t make you better than us.

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you're right

    our knowledge stops and what you want to believe about history is always right. everything else is just “revisionism”

    by Freneau on Aug 15, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I wouldn't go that far

    and history is a complex thing, and I’m sure that Occam’s Razor doesn’t really apply when you’re talking about a war with multiple combatants. My mention of Occam was merely a tongue-in-cheek response to the rather broad statement at the end of your prior post.

    But that said, it seems to be a trend amongst academic historians to minimize the positive role played by the USA in recent world history. I’d love to see any of these Monday morning quarterbacks put forth a theory that changes popular pre-conceptions in an America-positive way.

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    by cmkeller on Aug 15, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I student taught this time period about a year ago to ninth graders.

    I didn’t really use the textbook much – I wrote almost all of my own materials. I found it difficult to figure out how to best present the material so as not to give the students oversimplifications but also to provide an accurate appraisal of the facts.

    I actually took an undergrad course just on the history of the Cold War and I knew that some of the things about the end of the war could be debated over an entire semester. As a public school teacher, going into that detail just isn’t appropriate. I came to the conclusion that I would have to leave a lot of things open ended after presenting both sides. But after all, it’s my job to teach, and to encourage them to come to their own conclusions.

    Truth be told, with most of them, I was happy if they were even trying to listen instead of texting in the back rows.

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    As Will implies, all history is "revisionism."

    As an actual historian, it bugs me when that term is used pejoratively (as it usually is).

    Americans are generally too dismissive of the Soviet contribution to WWII (and the 20th century, for that matter). Victory in Europe was largely on the shoulders of dead Soviet soldiers. The bomb was dropped in large part to send a message to the USSR. If the Japanese were afraid of the Soviets more than the bomb, it might indicate that a) Japan’s government truly was crazy, b) the Soviets really,really wanted payback for the Russo-Japanese war, or c) that Japan didn’t really know what the bomb was. I think Hasegawa probably is right that the USSR entered the picture a bit, but surely the atomic bomb was a large part of the picture.

    by mikewormdog on Aug 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Fixed
    Victory in Europe was largely on the shoulders of dead Soviet soldiers due to the incompetence and/or drugged-up lunacy of Hitler.

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 15, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What About Brickhouse!!

    Do these effectively hide my thunder?

    by splitty on Aug 15, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

    Owwwwww!

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Aug 15, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Royals sign 4th round pick Kyle Smith (RHP) for $695K

    Announced this morning, per Jim Callis at BA.

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    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

    NICE!

    I have grown to like that pick.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Kietzman was stirring stuff up to draw ratings

    That was his theory and it was in contradiction to his assertion that Boras wants his commission from Bubba.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    stop listening to Kietzman

    he is an idiot and an demagogue

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    by sfeldkamp on Aug 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    610 is where it's at.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!

    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that rant was highly entertaining in its cluelessness though

    ‘fire boras now bubba and you can be on the field tomorrow’….yeah…if he wants to sign for like 3 million instead of $8 million…good idea dipshit

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Aug 15, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Like other agents behave differently

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm in Omaha, i don't get 610

    hearing it just through friends and what not, i am in Husker country

    Do these effectively hide my thunder?

    by splitty on Aug 15, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    if you have a smartphone

    and a signal you can stream it online, or on your computer at work. Truthfully, it’s not that much better than 810 to warrant that effort.

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    by sfeldkamp on Aug 15, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    too fucking true...although...

    I’ve got an ex-pat Husker fan/buddy in KC, we’ll often end up talking about what a doofus Kietzman is, ask each other WTF we’re doing still listening to him, etc….rinse, repeat ad naseum

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i very rarely do...

    his starling rant was one occasion where i was listening to petro before i went in to eat lunch and got back out to my car to hear the beginning of his rant before i got to change the station

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Aug 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you getting a chub piece for Husker football yet?

    Its a big if, but if Martinez is as good as he was first few games of last year, they could go 11-1 or 10-2…..if not, it could get ugly. I’m guessing they’ll lose at least 2 or 3 out of this bunch: road games at Wisconsin, Penn St, Michigan, and could slip up at home vs Mich St, Iowa, or maybe even Wash?

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yep...its there....

    i wonder what i’ll do with myself if nebraska stays good and the royals get good september will be sports overload…fb season starts right about when im sickening of the royals.

    if martinez is as good as he was at the beginning of last year, undefeated is possible. he was that good. now, he’ll probably get a little banged up at some point and we’ll probably lose a game because of it. if i had to guess, we’ll probably finish 9-3 or 10-2…not too bad for the first year

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Aug 15, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Agreed....hitting Big 10 at right time with traditional powers limping

    going to be much more physical than we’re used to…should have a speed edge on most teams, will be interesting to see how that speed vs size thing works out…..

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i hope they dont decide to go all wisconsin to fit in...

    slow, white and boring football doesnt appeal to me

    Fire Everyone

    by billybeingbilly on Aug 15, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Read Rany's piece on Moose and went digging through the stats

    BABIP = 0.214
    xBABIP = 0.241
    IFFB% = 27.3%

    Results are about as bad as the underlying talent this year.

    - .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …

    by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 15, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

    It is until you watch him

    1 in every 4 hits is an IFFB. Actually seems about right or even low.

    - .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …

    by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 15, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Time to make him do push-ups

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    or a roof

    Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I know we get a draft pick next year if we don't sign Bubba.

    Does that apply only for the 1st round pick or does that apply to all 50 rounds?

    If a team has more than one 1st round pick, does that count for only their first pick or for all the supplemental picks?

    "I DARE you to make less sense."

    by dejackso on Aug 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

    I think it is for first round picks only

    and all first round picks, I believe.

    You may know me as NYRoyal.

    by Scott McKinney on Aug 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Only first three rounds

    I believe it does not apply to supplemental picks. Also, if you get a compensatory pick, you cannot get a comp pick for that if you fail to sign that players (for example, if the Royals get the #7 pick next year for failing to sign Bubba, they could not get a comp pick if they fail to sign their 2012 #7 overall pick).

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes

    And I’m not positive they are exempt.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    When a player fails to sign, how does that affect the team's compensatory pick strategy?

    Obviously, this would seem to give the draftee more leverage. Do teams generally go for much safer picks with their compensatory picks?

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    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    and sometimes it doesn't affect the strategy used/quality of the player,

    but usually it does.

    Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 15, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Wow trade

    Did not see this coming – Tigers acquire OF Delmon Young for two minor leaguers.

    Is there any doubt that Delmon Young is one day a Royal?

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    by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

    It'll Be For

    More than one day

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Aug 15, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Man City v Swansea

    oh man gonna be a bloodbath

    Do these effectively hide my thunder?

    by splitty on Aug 15, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

    but its soccer

    A fan of everything Royals and Jaguars....................Chris Getz forever

    by tiquanunderwear on Aug 15, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    So more chance of it literally being a bloodbath.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!

    by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Funny to see Chelsea held to a draw yesterday

    thought ManYoo was going to end up level as well, but they caught a break from a kind deflection….

    by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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