McClure has got to have some dirt on somebody. There is no other explanation to have him as a pitching coach.
What's the dirt and who is it on? Discuss.
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What do you know about his coaching that makes you so sure he's terrible?
I know nothing, but feel its safer to assume our pitchers just plain suck, and not even the best pitching coach in the game could make a good rotation out of these guys. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be fired, just asking for specifics as to what he’s doing wrong.
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 29, 2011 10:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I say this because
The Royals are just recently deciding to start looking at why other teams are having success and perhaps trying it. (long toss, core strength, alternate strength workouts, different types of prehap rather than rehab for everyone)
The Royals do a terrible job with conditioning their pitchers. (Coach Feb and I agree there)
All his pitchers have the same mechanical flaws. (A lot of guys don’t drive through their targets, don’t get on top enough, don’t throw downhill, ect)
Development. Lack of it. (who has he developed?)
Are they not all Minor League issues?
If that all needs fixing by your MLB pitching coach, then someone has fucked up on the farm.
Edgar knows best.
Well....
McClure is in charge of the MLB program. The Fischer guy (from what I can tell) sets the MiLB program. I would say we’ve done a poor job developing. I’m not completely sure on the hierarchy of the Royals pitching staff…. but I know their beliefs limit the development of a lot of our arms. Guys that make it through are guys that can still succeed in their rules. They are very close minded on a lot of pitching issues. Ask Mike Montgomery.
Is the Royals strength and conditioning program the reason that Montgomery can’t throw strikes in Omaha?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What is wrong with his mechanics? And do you have this opinion from having watched him pitch?
And with regard to the mechanical problem that you see in most/many/all Royals pitchers, is this a problem that you don’t see in the vast majority of MLB pitchers? Are the Royals unique in this regard?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The same McClure credited with turning around Gil Meche?
That McClure?
Can GMDM get credit for finding Meche before McClure fixed him?
I’m just trying to figure out how these things work.
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Moore must have known that McClure would fix him
So Moore gets credit for having McClure as pitching coach AND for signing Meche. It all goes back to Moore.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
So we paid $55million for a guy that needed fixed?
Not exactly how I’m remembering this one.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 30, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
It’s not like he had a lot of success before he got to KC. Before getting to KC, he’d had only one season where he was at least league average (by fWAR). McClure helped him with his mechanics which greatly improved his control.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
In fact, Trey Hillman was so enamored of watching Gil's improved mechanics
that he decided to watch them until they completely broke.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 30, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
My point was that you don't get 4 years/$55 million for being a complete hack.
not even from the Royals
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 30, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And I know it was more than anyone else would've given too.
But what really was the market at that time for a guy like him? 3/30?
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was a very generous deal
I think a few teams might have given him 3/30. Toronto reportedly offered 4/44, and that’s when Moore tacked on the fifth year for 5/55.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Which we ended up not having to pay
In your face, J.P.!
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As I recall
the rumors were that several teams were offering 4/40M. Petro was screaming that the Royals were just putting on a show that they offered the same as the team he was going to sign with and never really spend decent money. Then they upped the ante and actually got him, stunning the nation.
4/40 is the number I remember, too
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We really can't tell.
I wish I knew why, besides money, the pitching is not MLB average or better.
Is pitching payroll broken down on a reliable site?
You could do it with Cot's pretty easily.
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It might have something to do with the talent of the pitchers
But, like evolution, this is only a theory.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
we can't out-talent our opposition
we must rely on the Arm Whisperer
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
I would say
Why don’t you try and do a better job? But then again, you probably could.
by WestCoastRoyal on Aug 29, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, normally I'd disregard this kind of post
but usually 306008 backs up his points with knowledge and real substance as to what is going wrong when it comes to mechanics.
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Do we have good reason to believe that McClure isn't a good pitching coach?
Or, conversely, that he is.
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My gut feeling is that McClure is below average but I have no evidence to support
Has anybody ever analyzed it? Is there a way to analyze it?
Pitcher development is such a crapshoot that it’s hard to quantitatively evaluate a pitching coach’s value/success rate. Then again, McClure has been around for long enough that there is plenty of data to look at.
My only idea would be to look at the expected progression curves (do these exist?) for pitchers promoted to the majors before the age of _ (maybe 26) and see if their results meet those expectation. It might be most valuable to look only at high prospect pitchers or starting pitchers because these guys provide more data than relievers and likely get more attention from McClure and his staff.
You could then compare the actual results of KC’s pitchers’ development versus the expected results. You could also compare their results against other teams.
My gut feeling is that the data would show that McClure is average or slightly above average for short term results, but below average or slightly below average for long term results.
My feeling with coaches though
Is that they’re not really there to help everyone. If they can turn around the careers of a few pitchers, that’s super. Like Roger Craig taught Mike Scott the forkball. Even if he didn’t help any of the other pitchers, he turned a pretty mediocre pitcher into a Cy Young contender and that alone I think makes him an outstanding pitching coach.
Then there are the few like Dave Duncan and Leo Mazzone who can turn chicken crap into chicken salad.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 30, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
A good coach needs to know when to take a hands-on approach, and when to take a hands-off approach. Developing Greinke did not require the same approach as developing Davies. He should also probably know when he can’t help a guy and needs to out-source the coaching or hire a new guy for the staff. I don’t know if McClure does all of this or if it’s even reasonable to expect him to do all this.
He developed Davies?
If this is true, it’s grounds for termination.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 30, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i think mazzone may have been slightly overrated...
he was given a shit ton of talent to work with. duncan on the other hand is insane
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Don Cooper in Chicago is quietly pretty awesome
But yeah, giving Mazzone credit for the Braves pitching is like giving Charlie Manuel credit for the mid-90s Cleveland hitting. Yup, pretty impressive managing to get some offense out of guys like Jim Thome, Matt Williams, Brian Giles (~! 1997), Kenny Lofton, Manny Ramirez, and David Justice. Well done.
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he is
I would love to somehow hire him away from Chicago if Ozzie goes to Florida.
I want him, and also AGM Rick Hahn to be the new GM
but I want to keep Dayton for player deveopment. Maybe make Hahn “Executive GM” or something and basically limit Dayton’s power to the farm while letting him keep the salary and the title.
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps slightly
He did a good job turning a lot of rejects into useful bullpen parts. I don’t recall the Braves really spending a lot on relievers those days, instead turning the closer job to former indy ball rejects like Kerry Lightenburg and Kevin McGlinchy.
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It would be extremely difficult to isolate the pitching coach's performance/influence in pitcher development
If most of the Royals pitchers end up pitching above or below MLE’s or projections (adjusted for developmental curve), can we fairly say that McClure gets the credit/blame for this? Or is it because the talent of these pitchers?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
He's only been pitching coach of the Royals since 2006
That really surprised me. I thought he’d been around for at least a decade.
If he’d been around for long enough, then maybe there’d be enough data (i.e. 10 years, 3 pitrchers a year, 30 pitchers) to theoretically assume that the talent level would average itself out.
However, realistically, I don’t think that’s a good assumption because talent level is heavily determined by the FO’s desire to spend on prospects and player development at lower levels. So, no we couldn’t fairly say that McClure gets the blame/credit, especially with only 5 years of data.
/putting brainstorming cap back on…
I just look at what other organizations do
And what i take from other people to use for my program. Granted I’m a level or five down from where he is, but we don’t use anything the Royals do. I stated a few things above.
To me all pitchers have the same mechanical issues. The pitchers are not in good enough physical condition. Their arms aren’t as “live” as they could be with tweaks. He is close minded and just recently seemingly opening up to non-120 rituals.
Scott, a challenge for you. Look at what Alan Jaeger does and what Ron Wolforth does. Dig into what they teach. Dig into the renaissance of the Texas Rangers pitchers and how it began in the DR with a group of 44 Dominican kids. Look up Jayce Tingler and ask him what he believes and why he does. And then ask some retired pitchers, guys who made it and guys who didn’t. Dig into mechanics. Dig into kinesiology and the study of their movements. See what you see, then take what you’ve learned, apply it to the Royals, and you’ll be blown away how far behind our organization is. It’s scary. Then, dig into our players. Ask questions about what they work on. About their individual player development programs. You’ll develop your own thoughts on it and I bet you’ll be more outspoken on what we do than I.
Questions
I ask these questions openly and honestly. They aren’t attacks. They are genuine requests for the information you have.
1. What do we know about the organization’s strength and conditioning program for pitchers?
2. Should responsibility of the organization’s strength and conditioning program for pitchers be given to McClure? Does the MLB pitching coach set the strength and conditioning program for the entire organization?
3. What do we know about the strength and conditioning program for the pitchers of the major league team?
4. What is the Royals strength and conditioning program for pitchers lacking?
5. What makes you say that the Royals pitchers are not in good physical condition?
6. How do we know that their arms would be more ‘live’ with some mechanical tweaks?
7. It seems like you are saying that McClure doesn’t do things the way you would do things. Why should someone like me (familiar with baseball but who doesn’t know half as much about pitching mechanics or strength and conditioning as you or McClure) think that your way would be an improvement over McClure’s way?
You listed several men who you apparently agree with and who I assume do things different from McClure. Is there way the best way? Is there way better than McClure’s way? If so, why? Is there evidence to back this up?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
quick responses
1. Not a whole lot. No LT. 120 is what we want. Tubing pre throw.
2. It should rest on McClure. He’s the pitching guy. He needs to tell his S/C guy this is what I want. Tailor a program for us to hit all those things. And it needs to change as they develop it. I don’t think it’s changed a whole lot.
3. It’s the “old school thought.” hard to explain and I don’t have a copy of it… I’ll try to find more info out.
4. They tire easily. They don’t do a good job with their legs. I would say more throwing is what it needs. more leg strength. More explosive exercise.
5. Watching the game the other night from field level… Soria especially just didn’t look like he was in good physical condition. The way I perceived his movements on the mound especially. I’ve thought that about a few other guys as well.
6. Arms almost always are more “live” with downhill throwing. More movement. More velo. More location… it’s why it’s taught. The Royals aren’t good with that.
7. McClure does a few things I would do. I’m just frustrated the Royals won’t look into other avenues that are available to them. If you research the teams that are the tops of their divisions, a lot of them do things differently than the Royals…
The guys I’ve listed are the guys I trust now. I say that because I followed a program much like the one the Royals run and I lost velo 4 years through college. I think that program is the specific reason I did not improve through college on the mound with my velo/locations. After I graduated I did a LOT of research on this topic. Then I went out and tried it… and I’m advocating what worked for me. It also worked for a LOT more than me. It work for guys that got cut in places and got picked up and became guys with successful careers. Some were org guys, others in the majors. Not to mention that other teams make fun of the way the Royals do things in the pitching department. But shhh… I’m not connected to that info. Then those guys that laugh about them try to be nice about it.
1. If you don’t know much about their strength and conditioning program, then how do you know it is poor or insufficient?
2. But does the major league team’s pitching coach actually have control over how minor league pitchers are developed? Maybe he does; I’m just asking. I would have thought that the minor league development staff in the front office determine those things and send the word down from the mountain for the minor league coaches to implement. If that is not part of McClure’s job description, then he can’t just tell the FO what to do.
4. But if you don’t know much about the Royals strength and conditioning program, then how can you say what it is lacking?
5. Do you really think you can tell by just watching a pitcher on the mound what physical condition he’s in?
McClure does a few things I would do. I’m just frustrated the Royals won’t look into other avenues that are available to them. If you research the teams that are the tops of their divisions, a lot of them do things differently than the Royals…
I think this goes back to what do we know about what the Royals S&C program is and what do we know about the best teams’ S&C programs are. Do we know the Royals S&C program and how it differs from the most successful teams?
If the Royals are doing things the old school way without re-evaluating those practices and being open to new, potentially better ways of doing things, that certainly strikes a chord with me. That’s a big problem with the Royals front office in general. I think ideas, philosophies and practices should be frequently re-evaluated and they should be actively looking for new ideas and practices so that they can improve.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
5. Do you really think you can tell by just watching a pitcher on the mound what physical condition he’s in?
Absolutely.
2. I don’t know much about the hierarchy. I know the Royals brought a guy in to coordinate stuff. But I don’t know how much say McClure has over the program. I would think it’s his program all the way down because he’s at the top. I don’t think he’s just a puppet up front. He brought his guys in from what I can tell. As well as some former Braves guys. BUT, GMDM let’s the pitching program run without interfering. Good for him. Maybe it’s time for a change?
1/4. If you’ve ever gone through pitching programs they all have similarities. You can look at guys and tell where they are lacking. Then if you compare other programs to it, you can see what they are lacking, and pretty soon you are familiar with more than just a few programs. I’ve done a lot of research. I can see areas they are struggling in.
We know what the Royals don’t do. There’s been a big ordeal about that in the past. Starting when we drafted Montgomery. The Royals take kids in the draft who run these “new-fangled” programs, and then don’t let them continue what made them successful in the first place. And they lose velo and location and a lot of other things. Why would Mike Montgomery lose 4-5 mph off his fastball a few months after the Royals drafted him? Because they didn’t let him do his workout. Why do you think the Royals were upset with him and his coach? Because they thought he was hurt. He wasn’t, they just didn’t let him continue what made him successful. That’s the biggest thing I have against the Royals development program. They do not allow those kids to continue to do what they did that got them drafted in the first place. The Royals say, okay, you can do this part of your program, but not that, or this, or that part. So what do you do? Break protocol? Possibly void your contract by doing things that the team told you not too? Risk getting released? Get “that” label? What would you if it was you?
If the Royals are doing things the old school way without re-evaluating those practices and being open to new, potentially better ways of doing things, that certainly strikes a chord with me. That’s a big problem with the Royals front office in general. I think ideas, philosophies and practices should be frequently re-evaluated and they should be actively looking for new ideas and practices so that they can improve
This is great. We agree here. That and that McClure doesn’t understand the top half of a pitcher.
Do you really think you can tell by just watching a pitcher on the mound what physical condition he’s in?
Absolutely.
I’m not going to tell you that you’re wrong, but I am extremely skeptical of this. Just from a guy standing on the mound and pitching, you can tell what physical condition he’s in? I’m sorry, but I don’t buy it. I’m sure coaches want to believe they can see this, but I really doubt it.
But I don’t know how much say McClure has over the program. I would think it’s his program all the way down because he’s at the top. I don’t think he’s just a puppet up front.
It has been my understanding (which may be wrong) that MLB pitching coaches pretty much just coach the MLB pitchers. They don’t set S&C programs for the minor league system, nor do they set organizational philosophy or policy for minor league pitchers and their development. I believe that is done by the FO staff that works on minor leaguers and their development. They set policy, etc. which is implemented by minor league coaches, trainers, etc.
Why would Mike Montgomery lose 4-5 mph off his fastball a few months after the Royals drafted him?
If that happened, it must not have lasted long, because his velocity was high and raved upon by scouts in the minors, which led him to being one of the top pitching prospects in baseball. I’m not sure how Montgomery is an example of how the Royals screwed up a prospect. Was his prospect ranking all unwarranted hype?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
it happened
And he told the Royals to suck it. Why do you think there was a big hoopla about him long tossing? Do some digging Scott. The info is out there. Like I said in my challenge to you, don’t just take my word for it. Go look for yourself. You’ll see. And you’ll make your opinion up based on it.
And you can tell if people are in shape just by watching their movement. Watch someone walk by out of your office window. Try to determine if they are in athletic shape or not. I’m not the only one who sees it. Baseball shape is different of course, but you can tell how they move on the mound…
I thought they made him stop the long toss program
And that his velocity and other tools looked great to prospect evaluators even without his long toss program.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 31, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They told him to stop
but he never did.
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If he never stopped, then why did he lose velocity? 306008 said that Monty lost 4-5 mph off of his fastball because the Royals made him stop his LT program.
I’m still looking for evidence that the Royals S&C program is hurting pitching prospects or prospect development. And again, I’m not saying it isn’t. I’m willing to believe that it is. I just need evidence to support the claim.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 1, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
So what was the timeline?
He was drafted and signed, then was immediately told to stop his LT program, then immediately lost 4-5 mph off of his fastball, then re-started his LT program and got the velocity back? Did this all happen before his first professional season? And what’s with kscoliny saying that Monty never stopped his LT program?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 1, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know the exact breakdown of how it went with Montgomery
He didn’t like how his arm felt or the results he was getting so he started doing it secretly pretty early in his career. I’m not sure if that was in Arizona or with Burlington but it was early.
I’m hoping to get to AFL and instructs so I may see some changes there
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The Royals "discovery" of pitching inside post-ASB 2011 is pretty damning for McClure
Either McClure’s pitching philosophy significantly changed in his 6th year with the Royals or his players had consistently been pitching away from how he believed they could be effective for half a decade. Either scenario reflects poorly on McClure.
We have no idea if McClure has really changed how he’s instructing (or suggesting) that Royals pitchers pitch. I doubt that before this year, he told pitchers to almost never pitch inside. I also doubt that he suddenly told pitchers this year that they need to start pitching inside. I think it most likely that he told one or more Royals pitchers this year that they need to pitch inside more. That’s all.
Pitching inside needs to be done sometimes, but it is also very dangerous. I think every pitching coach at every level recognizes this very simple fact. I’m sure McClure and every pitching coach attempts to tweak the location of some of their pitchers every now and then (to pitch more inside or outside or lower in the zone or whatever). I doubt anything significantly changed for McClure this season.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think what you’re trying to say is that it wasn’t a big change. And maybe it wasn’t, but the fact 5+ years into McClure’s tenure, they had to sit down with all four of their RHP’s to tell them that they should VARY THEIR LOCATIONS is ridiculous. Luke’s been pitching under McClure for years, and McClure only just decided that Luke is too predictable? Couldn’t he have made this suggestion 3 years ago?
I really doubt that this was the first time he’s talked to them about pitch location, or pitching inside more, or varying pitch location.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It really might have been.
But I doubt it as well. The pitching coach needs to take move interest in pitch calling. We do a pretty bad job of calling pitches in certain situations. I hate to use the Cardinals because I don’t like them, but there is a reason they’ve got guys who suddenly come out of no where and do well. Kyle McClellan? Jaime Garcia? ect. It’s more about pitch calling and strong downhill throwing than anything else.
The best minor league system (including pitchers) in baseball?
That’s not meant to be snarky. But that is what they have drafted and developed. That’s not major league success though. But of course the prospect cupboard was nearly bare in 2006.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking MLB level.
The question is aimed to see who all we have developed. Hochevar… Duffy…. who else?
I guess those are the only SP's. There are some RP's also.
Is this evidence that the Royals are doing something wrong? Or does it just show how long it takes a pitching prospect to get to the majors? Were their pitchers in the Royals system in 2006 who we reasonably think should have made it to the majors and succeeded by now?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The best way to get better is to recruit talent.
Think of it like NCAA. You recruit kids that are better than the kids you have and if you continually do that, you always get better. Same with the draft. Always take kids that are better than kids you have. Get them signed. We’ve done a good job doing that.
That theory will take you so far. The next step is making them all better. Developing them. You’ll get that top system if you take the top guys. But then you don’t win consistently if you dont develop them.
Grienke (sort of), but that's about it besides Soria.
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Bill Fischer and Bob McClure have both been against the long toss programs
of minor leaguers like Mike Montgomery. In fact some of these players have had to hide these programs from the team. This isn’t starting to change as guys like Tim Collins and Mike Montgomery (midseason) this season have been vocal saying they aren’t changing what they are doing on off days.
As far as S&C goes I believe it is pretty old school as well doing many of the things that past teams have there isn’t much outside the box thinking and players like Danny Duffy have done alot of their own work on the side.
I know of one injury due to lack of conditioning this year.
On top of that keeping pitches from young pitchers while a decent idea has dwarfed development in my opinion. Danny Duffy has an excellent curveball and a good changeup( not confident in) but he also has a very good slider as I’ve been told for years and his arm slot and delivery are probably better for that pitch if he was able to use it he could be dominant. I think it will come around later but would be nice if he was using it more.
Alot of the things that need to change have started to change as some in front office and on coaching staffs have come around to new school ideas and the Royals are slowly incorporating new ideas. We’ll see how it effects the new guys (Junis, Brickhouse, Smith) going forward.
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by kcscoliny on Aug 30, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that should have bee - is starting to change in top paragraph
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I know of one injury due to lack of conditioning this year.
How can one know that an injury was caused by lack of conditioning?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Over time medical research has suggested and proven certain injuries are often from lack of conditioning
In baseball those injuries are pretty easy to pick up. Especially if you go back and pattern things. One example would be a break down in the shoulder. We’re not talking catastrophic injuries. We’re talking those nagging injuries like a strain and soreness and “fatigue”. Another great example is hamstrings. Obliques and groins tend to be those type of injuries as well. Although the oblique is a little different because they build it up and then don’t continue to build it so it’s more prone to injury.
Scott, take the challenge I laid out for you up above.
Yes, those injuries can be caused by a lack of conditioning
So if a player has such an injury do we then know that it was caused by a lack of conditioning? Certainly not. But if we assume that the Royals have a poor S&C program, then it is easy to jump to the conclusion that any such injury was necessarily caused by a lack of conditioning.
Scott, take the challenge I laid out for you up above.
I’m not going to do all of that research. I’m just asking questions and pointing out what doesn’t make sense to me or what seems unsupported or illogical.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
But if we assume that the Royals have a poor S&C program
It’s not the best. You’ll have to trust me on that. Or you could take the challenge and take the time to do it. Or you could just take my word for it as I have done the research, did play the game for 20 years at a high level, and understand it like few do. Oh, and majored in Kines…
one can never know but not working out in the offseason is generally gonna lead to something
I’m sure the Royals didn’t advise that player to do that but I would want them to be a bit more on top of things. Not their fault though
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