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Alex Gordon: Royal MVP Candidate

Jeff Francoeur has done an amazing job mentoring Alex Gordon this season. An amazing job. Lost in the endless discussion of how awesome Francoeur and Cabrera have been, has been Gordon's 2011 season, which has been more valuable than Cabrera and Francoeur's combined. But hey, he was Baird draft pick, so he's an unperson.


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2011 - Alex Gordon 130 524 87 160 40 4 19 72 56 120 14 7 .305 .378 .506

 

That strong offensive line, coupled with good baserunning and defense has made Gordon one of the most valuable players in the American League. Not surprisingly, as Matt Hays wrote at SB Nation KC recently, Gordon has been the most valuable player on the Royals by a wide margin.

  • Fangraphs WAR - 6.0 (6th in the AL, between Zobrist and Gonzalez)
  • B-RWar - 5.1 (6th in the AL, between Curtis Granderson and Alex Avila)

While there are some areas of Gordon's game that might fluctuate back down next season (his batting average and advanced defensive metrics especially) that doesn't mean this is a fluke season or that we shouldn't appreciate what is happening. Good things tend to go good during career seasons, and if that's a truism it's because I'm trying to write one.

Alex Gordon's career has always been misunderstood. His 2008 campaign, of which there were no champions and innumerable critics, generated a 3.1 WAR (bWAR), thanks to solid OBP skills and a well-rounded game. By way of comparison, Jeff Francoeur has never posted a 3 win season. From a distance Gordon's career looks hard to figure out, but really it is fairly simple: in 2007-08 he got off to a slow start but was establishing himself as a valuable player, in 2009-10 he got hurt, had some ill-timed slumps, and got in the doghouse of a generally stupid organization. Coming into 2011, the Royals simply needed to get out of their own way and give Gordon as full season of playing time. It was, perhaps, his last chance with the organization, as drastic as that now sounds. Gordon has a broad base of skills -- he always has in fact -- which is why he's often been underrated.

Star-divide

Although I'm not sure it was fully necessary, the Royals' plan to move Alex to the outfield looks inspired now. And in a smaller move, Yost has shown some creativity in hitting Gordon leadoff during the second half of the season. A huge part of Gordon's game is getting on base, and despite not getting as many game played as St. Francoeur, the added time atop the lineup has given him more PAs.

Gordon's salary for 2011 is $1.4 million, and while he won't hit free agency until after 2013, he's suddenly looking at some sizeable raises. One of the downsides of the mostly pointless Francoeur deal is that the Royals are already cutting into their budget. Yes, a lot of money is coming off the books, but Butler and Soria and now Francoeur are set to get big raises. As will Melky should he return. There are still plenty of ways the Royals can screw this up.

However, that's a worry for another time. For now, we should simply appreciate Gordon's comeback season and enjoy this welcome development. I doubt he gets any down-ballot MVP votes, but in a real stunner from where we were a year ago, he should.

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by sfeldkamp on Aug 30, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd say his season counts as

dominating. Well done Alex! Now sign that extension.

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by sfeldkamp on Aug 30, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

MVP

As of now, there is no doubt, Gordon is the Royals MVP. It’s amazing what a lot or “intelligent” hard work will do for a guys “luck”

by R_F on Aug 30, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I think thats obvious

But I think the article is trying to say that Alex should be a candidate for the American League MVP, not that he is a nominee for Royals MVP. He’s already “won” that award.

Whether Alex is a candidate (not by vote, but by actual value) depends on what you mean by “candidate”. Bautista and Verlander are the only real contenders, barring some statistical anomaly in September, but if you are saying he belongs in the next tier of players mentioned (Pedroia, Gonzalez, Granderson, Miggy Cabrera) than I definetly agree.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post

but can’t we wait until after the season to avoid jinxing him?

This is Alex Gordon, after all. If a piano falls out of an airplane and on to Alex during the first inning of today’s game, I blame Will.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

But yeah, I was going to save it

but according to FanGraphs WAR, Gordon’s season so far is the best by any Royals position player since Carlos Beltran in 2003. And the only pitcher who has had a better season for the Royals was, of course, Greinke in 2009.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

According to FanGraphs WAR

Melky’s season is better than many previous seasons by many former and present Royals.

I would never forget Melky.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 30, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Youth isn't really an issue, i don't think

I’ve heard some chatter about Melky for that award too.

by Loose Seal on Aug 30, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

it'll be a tough decision in the front office to decide which outfielder to push for that award

The great leader (Francouer) or the better player (Melky).

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

My guess

Is that the misconceptions about his first two years will prevent voters from seeing this as a comeback. They don’t think he had anything to come back to, but that his first four years were all the same—bad.

by billexgordler on Aug 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good point

Melky has made a bigger comeback even if you credit Gordon for his solid first two years.

by kcdc1 on Aug 30, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

love me some Alex Gordon

Amazing that he’s having this good of a season and I’ve barely heard anything about it. Not even a random fangraphs article.
Now, let’s pray for no stupid offseason trades!

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by Lum on Aug 30, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

See above for no FanGraphs article

I’m saving it until after the season ends, then I’m going to try and do a pretty thorough analysis of the past season and likely future performance as well as contract issues.

Jeff did a fantasy-related analysis here at RotoGraphs.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not the whole reason, but it was likely a big part of it.
Injuries aren’t an excuse for 2010 as he played in 75 minor league games for a total of 149 for the season.

He was recovering from a broken thumb, enough of a problem that he didn’t play in KC until a couple weeks into the season. He hit poorly (was it the injury?) and was sent down. When he returned in July, he hit about the same (still poorly), but the whole time his BABIP was low, .254. That makes it seem like something was still wrong (unless he just had some sustained bad luck – in fact, his LD% was 23% that season). Maybe it was lingering effects of the injury, maybe it was that his swing was broken, maybe it was bad luck. Looking back, probably all three combined in a fortuitous way to get him to re-focus on his swing.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 30, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Gordon gets a pass for crappy performance for 2010 MLB games because he missed a couple weeks at the start. Everyone deals with something over a 6 month season. He played 149 games, and that seems like about as full and healthy a season as you can reasonably expect.

As for the BABIP, maybe he was unlucky, maybe he was making bad contact, and maybe both played a role. But Gordon sucked at the MLB level in 2010, and that should be part of the story line.

by kcdc1 on Aug 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

for 74 MLB games in 2010*

by kcdc1 on Aug 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

even Ned?

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Aug 30, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't remember the specifics

but wasn’t he rushed back from the broken thumb?

I thought his original diagnosis had him out most of the first half of the season.

Unless I'm wrong...

by Top Ramen on Aug 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Don't Think

The team ever acknowledged it, but he was. I think Getz was injured, so they needed Aviles at 2B and brought Gordon back to play 3B.

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by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

By giving Gordon a pass for 2009-2010

You are downplaying the tremendous job he has done in making the proper adjustments for success, or “domination” some may say. I’m sure Alex takes a great deal of pride in the work he put in for this season, and I doubt he would himself blame his poor performance in 09-10 to the injury or to anyone else but himself. People don’t typically overcome this well if they dont take responsibility for themself.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 30, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Demoting him to the minors to become a left fielder

Best Royals FO decision in 5 years?

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by Yamfun Cheng Kamfun on Aug 30, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Why wasn't he in the All-Star game again?

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by labbadabba on Aug 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Francoeur Derangement Syndrome
By way of comparison, Jeff Francoeur has never posted a 3 win season.

Francouer, 2006: 3.2 WAR
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4792&position=OF

by KSinDC on Aug 30, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

posted too soon

Francouer 2005: 3.2 WAR
Francouer 2007: 3.8 WAR
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4792&position=OF

This article would have been better without the bizarre shots at Francoeur, which have the added failing of being untrue.

by KSinDC on Aug 30, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

to clarify, Francouer did not post 3.2 WAR in 2006. That was a typo on the year.

by KSinDC on Aug 30, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought fangraphs was preferred for single-season WAR

In any case, if that’s what he meant, that’s what he should have said.

by KSinDC on Aug 30, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone has their personal preference

I personally like FanGraphs WAR better (full disclosure: I write for FanGraphs), but plenty of people use Baseball-Reference WAR and it’s a fine stat.

That’s not really the issue, though, since it seems to me you are implying a lack of integrity on WIll’s part. I’m not sure why Will would have “meant” FanGraphs WAR then deliberatley put up the wrong numbers when anyone could look it up right away. Maybe you don’t agree with the ones he used, but I don’t think there’s any need to get all worked up about it.

I’m sure he can stick up for himself, though, so I’ll leave it at that.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I use Fangraphs almost exclusively. As I understand it, the WAR difference between the cites lies in the defensive metric of choice, and Fangraph’s metric is a little better, tho neither is great or even good for a single season.

Regarding the Frenchy thing, Will likes to take humorous jabs at symptoms of the Royals often backwards thinking, and Symptom #1 this year is Frenchy’s intangibles. I don’t love the jokes because I read every single article on this site so they’ve grown old for me, but I don’t read them as hate toward Francoeur the person or player. I think our community mostly understands that Frenchy has been pretty good this year, and that there’s a reasonable chance that he’ll continue to be good. But if your writing style emphasizes sarcastic jabs, you have to play them where they lie.

by kcdc1 on Aug 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you consider reasonable?
and that there’s a reasonable chance that he’ll continue to be good

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by Warden11 on Aug 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's just Scott

I’m just saying that some people use one, some the other. Sometimes I use B-R when I’m on my BlackBerry, as they have a mobile version that is fast and FanGraphs doesn’t for BlackBerry (they do have an iPhone app). I do have my reasons for preferring FanGraphs implementation of WAR, but since I write for them, it would be weird for me to get into it here. I will say that it’s more than just the defensive metrics.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the huge endorsement deal Fangraphs gave you to market their WAR

In exchange for endorsing fWAR, you got a full case of Moosehead. Don’t try and deny it.

by jsolo on Aug 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I endorsed fWAR and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"

[Was that advertisement for the merch enough to get me another case, Daves?]

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The important thing is

Is there a mutual option to renew?

by jsolo on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and I get bonus six-pack

for my second, seventh, and eleventh post mocking Dayton Moore of Jeff Loria.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also a Chipotle coupon

for every post I do that has less than twelve typos or grammatical errors

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

It gives the editors something to do

by jsolo on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

*fewer than twelve (while we're being pedantic)

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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

see, that was part of the joke

um, yeah

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, you're fine

I was mocking myself… I hate it when people do that. So, predictably, I did it myself.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

SELLOUT! SELLOUT!

Matt Klaassen = TOTALLY DISCREDITED!

by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 30, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Radio plays what they want you to hear

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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suspended for spreading spam

Might let him back in a month or two.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 30, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will only mentioned Francouer 6 times

He may actually be trending in the right direction, after last week’s French-ilingus…

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by StonewallPDS on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good catch...

I was just looking at BR…

(writing posts before work in the morning makes going back and forth between multiple stats sites annoying)

by Freneau on Aug 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it was an honest mistake

But I do think people forget that Francoeur actually posted pretty good numbers his first and third seasons. It wasn’t all SI Cover hype.

by KSinDC on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

His OPS Never

Reached .800 for any season, which is pretty lukewarm for a COF who was on the cover of SI.

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by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did it once

He even managed a league average OBP in the process!

Edgar knows best.

by kcbottom9th on Aug 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Don't See

A full season .800+ OPS. He did it for 70 games his rookie year and his first 75 games in NY.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I didn’t notice his rookie year was only half a year.

Edgar knows best.

by kcbottom9th on Aug 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was only 65 PA

but that was all I needed to see.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't even notice it was only half a year

I saw 3.2 WAR and just assumed it was a full year. That’s a pretty sick half year.

by KSinDC on Aug 30, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Neyer linked and quoted this today, Will

I guess he wants to join the jinx party as well.

Can’t wait for you guys to have a lively exchange about Luke Hochevar during his upcoming no-hitter.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but not "World Series"

I’m so sick of his anti-Royals bias!

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Think Jesse

Ventura was the point of no return. Next will be Carl Weathers.

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by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

How come he doesn't attribute it to Will?

I know that Will is under his umbrella, but still.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is because, as I believe it to be, that Wil(l) and Rob are the same person

think about it, have you ever seen the both of them in the same room?

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by buddyball on Aug 30, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will does wear a lot of flannel

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 30, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

His 2008 campaign, of which there were no champions and innumerable critics

What about me? I have gone way out of my way to point out that from June 2007 to the end of the 2008 season he was in fact quite good and poised to get better. The broken thumb at the start of the 2010 season probably had a lot to do with his problems hitting MLB pitching that season, too. I never wavered in my confidence in Gordon’s abilities. He’s still our best 3B, too.

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by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I am (was? not sure what the better tense here is) part of that club, too, phil

but I think Will was talking about “official” bloggers/media people, whatever that means.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is awesome

for all the right snarky reasons.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Gordon is going to build on this season...

he’s going to command a big salary in 2013

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by tiquanunderwear on Aug 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Pay him what we owe him

and keep him four more years.

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He pointed to the offices and said 'You all know their names'
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by Juancho on Aug 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Still At The

SSS stage, but his once pronounced platoon split has all but disappeared.

RHP- .312 .383 .504 .887
LHP- .289 .367 .509 .876

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by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

He seems to K a ton against lefties tho. Without looking at the stats, I bet there’s some BABIP and/or HR/FB luck propping up his numbers vs lefties.

by kcdc1 on Aug 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Partly

BABIP:

v RHP: .368
v LHP: .345

HR/FB:

v RHP: .9.9%
v LHP: .17.8%

Edgar knows best.

by kcbottom9th on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He Does K

More of the time vs LHP, 23.3%, compared to 19% vs RHP. Still, that’s not a huge difference.

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by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a pretty big difference. He K’s 23% more often against lefties than he does against righties.

Put another way, if a player has a .300 BABIP and hits no HR’s, a 19% K rate will leave him with a .243 batting average. A 23.3% K rate will leave him with a .230 batting average. As a general rule, every 3% change in K rate corresponds about 10 points in batting average.

by kcdc1 on Aug 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

13 points difference in platoon batting average isn't big at all

Especially considering his actual platoon Batting Avgs. are seperated by 23 points. The average platoon BA difference for most players seems to be more around 30 points.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 30, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before anyone dogs me if I'm wrong here

Let it be known, I never check the stats as I comment. It takes to much time for me. So I go off of observed memory, but I’m not completely making anything up. Then again 30 points seems about right.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 30, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

analyzing single season platoon splits as seperate hitters is not a great way to go

since how a hitter performs against LHP does tell us a good deal about his skills against RHP (and vice-versa).

Of course, if you really want to go down this road, you also need to note that Alex has greater isolated power against LHP (.220) than RHP (.191). IN particular, he has 8 HR in only 159 PA against LHP this season as opposed to 11 HR in 412 PA this season.

But again, that’s not a good way to analyze things. One should probably look at the size of his career split. Given that he still has less than 1000 PA against LHP, he’s probably closer to a league-average split true-talent wise. There is probably a lot of random variation in this years performance (which has been a bit of reverse split until last night, I think). But there was in past seasons, too. I think his observed split for his career is a bit less than 10% now, whereas it was around 12% prior to the season. Can’t remember.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, The Only

Reason I brought this season’s platoon split up was in the context of his supposedly changed swing and approach.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 30, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that something has changed, and there might be something to it

so I wasn’t trying to squash things.

I do have a hypothesis (it’s just that: needs more empirical study) that plate patience is inversely related to the size of a player’s platoon split, or maybe just that hacktastic hitters tend to have smaller splits (even if they are usually worse overall). I guess that “hypotheses.” The first might support the idea that Alex’s more “aggressive” (I’m not sure that’s quite right, actually, but that’s another story) approach has “shrunk” the split, while the second wouldn’t so much since he isn’t a hacker.

But either way, too small a sample.

But I have to admit I’ve been watching the splits, too! It’s addictive.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 30, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel there should be a Breakout Player of the Year Award

For guys like Alex Gordon who have been in (and possibly in and out of) the league for a while, but have either underperformed or never had performed well enough for anyone to notice them, and then have an All-Star caliber year that launch their careers as possible MLB top commodities. This makes more sense than Comeback Player of the Year or even Rookie of the Year for that matter. Think Jose Bautista last year. There’s no doubt that the jump he made should have its place in the history books. Josh Hamilton a few years ago comes to mind.

This year, Gordo would be a top candidate, but wouldn’t be a shoe in. Asdrubal Cabrera, Jhonny Peralta and Jacoby Ellsbury would make it a tough competition for sure. Regardless, it would be an awesome award to discuss each year.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Im not sure what Im missing here but....

this article has been plagiarized almost word for word from an article written by Rob Neyer on the same day. I didnt see any reference made, just curious why Will would do that so blatantly. ….Will?

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/8/30/2393338/alex-gordon-royals-neyer

Is there some kind of unwritten “borrowing without asking is allowed” rule at SB?

Maybe he stole from your post….Just saying, their is a paragraph that is identical.

by Crownblue on Aug 30, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

The paragraph in question is in a quote box.

Being used in its intended usage(not the one we so often appropriate it for).

My guess is that both writers had a similar story in the works and Will’s got up first and so Rob decided to quote him in his story .

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by RoyalPug on Aug 31, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you're going to accuse someone of plagiarism...

you damn sure better accuse the right person…or maybe read above in the comments where this was already discussed

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Aug 31, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I acknowledge that was inappropriate

But questioning someones integrity because (I suspect) you don’t like their point of view? That bugs me.

by PopeSoria on Aug 31, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, he made an objectionable and wholly inaccurate criticism of Will. I expect his apology to Will should come any minute now.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

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