We're never gonna out-talent anybody here. I understand it goes with the territory, but there was a lot of criticism deflected about why we would sign a guy like Jeff Francoeur. But the truth of the matter is we're not going to out-talent anybody here in Kansas City. It's impossible to do.
We've got one of the smallest markets in all of sports, period. Our owner is a terrific owner, but he's not going to go out and spend a $100 million payroll and a $100 million payroll when we can only sustain a $55 million or $60 million payroll in this market.
So we've gotta, our team has to be better than anybody else. We have to have synergy. We have to have togetherness, very similar to what the Colorado Rockies had three years ago. They had some young, talented players. But they played together, they loved each other, their families got along, and they went out and played hard every single night.
Dayton Moore from the Gathering of the Royals bloggers last night in KC. Exact wording on quote courtesy of Kevin Agee
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by iNaLeXwEtRuSt on Aug 4, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Not sure if he means the pitchers, also.
I would strangle him if we kept the same pitching staff.
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Horseshit
We’re never gonna out-talent anybody here…We have to have synergy. We have to have togetherness.
The Rays have a very small market with inherently limited revenue and they have been able to build a team with the talent to match and sometimes exceed the Yankees and Red Sox. The Twins also are in a small market and they have had the talent to get to the playoffs many times in recent years. Oakland is another small market that built talented teams. A small market organization can build a major league team with the talent to compete with anybody. Yes there are structural limititations based on market size and no, you probably can’t sustain it indefinitely. But you can do it and it has been done many times.
But probably the worst part of this quote was that he apparently thinks that because they can’t get the talent, they are going to have to win through comeraderie, espirit de corp, happiness, joy and fairly dust. I hope he doesn’t believe this kumbaya shit. Sure it’s nice to have a team that gets along, but that doesn’t make a team win. It’s about the talent, Dayton.
Or is this just GM-speak? It certainly doesn’t sound like standard GM-speak.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
The Twins are in a pretty big market
But you’re right that they did well despite a budget that was limited due to their venue.
And I really really hope that Moore isn’t counting on kumbaya turning a 75 win team into a world champion. It would have been so much better if he’d talked about getting their advantage by out-drafting everyone else and building from within…..but instead he went with nonsense….
by kcdc1 on Aug 4, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It is certainly in the bottom third of MLB markets
It’s a modest metropolitan area with little population beyond that.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And they've frequently gotten to the playoffs with budgets that KC could afford
And budgets that KC has afforded.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 5, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
yes.
that quote was total BS. It basically justifies playing me in CF as long as I get along with everybody.
If you are really friendly, helpful and would make a great clubhouse guy
…then please don’t introduce yourself to Dayton Moore. He’d give you at least a $1M contract (with performance bonuses, and a mutual option).
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to think its GM speak
Or he is mis-stating it. I think what he means is we’re never going to have the resources to acquire better talent than other teams. I hope. Guh, I hope he doesn’t really think that if the team gets along, it will win games. Colorado won because they did have a lot of really good talent – Troy Tulowitzki, Todd Helton, Matt holliday.
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It's not just those teams
The Indians were one win from the WS with an average to small market team…same with the Marlins who won it twice. COL doesn’t have a huge payroll and they made it. The Brewers made the playoffs with a small payroll.
This is nothing, but Moore making excuses for himself for why the Royals have continually sucked the past 5 years after he’s become the GM.
Excuses, excuses, excuses
by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 4, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
AND
Moore has demonstrated through his FA moves that he doesn’t even know what talent is. Or do I need to list the dozens of players he have acquired that have absolutely sucked. Or the players he has waived/traded that have been good (Nunez, Ramirez, Howell, Phillip Humber, O Perez)
The guy is a disaster. And just like the Mets who have become respectable since letting go of Minaya the Royals will never take a step forward as long as this guy is the GM.
by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 4, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
odalis perez who was out of baseball for good one year after he left the royals?
really?…tahts your argument?
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i forgot you are hellbent on criticizing everything I post
Yeah you got me – I meant Jorge De La Rosa, but got him confused with Odalis Perez…you know De La Rosa, Da Lis Perez
Sound better? He would certainly be better than some of the scrubs (Davies, Bannister, Lerew, Mazzaro, etc too many to name)
by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 4, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ramon ramirez has been worth .9 WAR since he was traded 3 years ago
humber went through about a million organizations…you cant blame moore for not seeing anything in him…nunez has been worth 1 WAR since he was traded and has been paid for about 1.2 WAR…so just giving him away would be a slight win
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
nevermind that one of your 'scrubs' bannister was acquired for a serial murderer and was worth
more than all of your good guys combined
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Ambiorix Burgos really a serial killer?
I know he’s in jail back home.
"When asked who was responsible for his going down in flames
He pointed to the offices and said 'You all know their names'
So hurry home early, hurry, let's go
Boom Boom Mazzaro's facing Robby Canó" --Not Warren Zevon
Looked it up
He killed two women in 2008 in a hit-and-run driving accident (?) and was arrested last year on charges of kidnapping and trying to poison his wife. Jeez. Maybe not quite a serial killer, but definitely the most evil person we’ve ever had on the team. Even worse than José Guillén. Or those guys who went to jail for cocaine in the early ’80s.
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He pointed to the offices and said 'You all know their names'
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how ridiculous...so the Royals would be worse with Nunez and Ramirez?
Like all the Royals pitchers have had a + WAR, the ultimate stat for pitchers!
And Kyle Davies has a WAR of .6 this year. does that make him TWICE AS VALUABLE AS BRUCE CHEN, that make him more valuable player to the Royals than Nunez has been to the Marlins this year and twice as better of a starter than Chen has been? Oh, Soria has a WAR of .3 this year as well, Kyle Davies is twice as valuable as him too!
Blake Wood has a WAR of ZERO the past two years and over a DOZEN Royal pitchers have had zero or – WAR. Step outside of sabermetric land and use your friggen brain! Ramirez with his 1.2 WAR has pitched over 100 innings with an ERA under 3 the past two years. He’s been better than every single Royal reliever (except Soria).
And why don’t you complete the statement you pose, “giving away Nunez would be a slight win,” because Jacobs had a -.8 WAR and cost over $3,000,000.00 so thats some win let me tell you.
Its mindboggling you want to defend both the Nunez and Ramirez trades. Why don’t you look for yourself to see how many pitchers the Royals had with zero or a negative WAR (and its not a perfect stat even with the standard deviation)
by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 5, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
and i don't blame Moore for not seeing anything in Humber
I gave him props for signing him because the Royals, contrary to your belief, were his THIRD organization. I criticize him not even for waiving him necessarily, but more because he lacks the insight to realize the 3rd overall pick 6 years ago might have some talent, but instead he chose to keep .6 WAR Davies. Now he is changing his philosophy (by keeping Mendoza) because he doesn’t want to make the same mistake again.
by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 5, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
they are going to have to win through comeraderie, espirit de corp, happiness, joy and fairly dust
I recall from somewhere in a Political Economy course that France thought this and the Maginot Line would keep them from succumbing to the Blitzkrieg in the early days of WWII. There’s a new meme in here somewhere, but I’ll leave it to the RR brain trust to figure out exactly what.
by Reginald of Chutney on Aug 4, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Never trust someone who speaks of whimsical things to convince you of anything."
Thats not a good meme, but its valuable in all of life.
Obviously, you are not a golfer.
by Kyled85 on Aug 4, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It must be, right?
Or is this just GM-speak? It certainly doesn’t sound like standard GM-speak.
I can well imagine that he enjoys reading these threads the day after an event like that, just to know that people who have something better to do will spin their wheels as wastefully as we all are on this.
He CAN NOT be this fucking stupid. No fucking way.
Furthermore, there’s no fucking way that Glass is this stupid either.
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I think this is at least sort of right - he can't be saying we can't have players equal to other teams
He even says just the opposite right after:
We’re never gonna out-talent anybody here….I think we’re reading too much into it. We already knew he placed too much emphasis on “team players” for our liking, this just furthers that.
…our team has to be better than anybody else.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 4, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm certain of only one thing.
The 5 minutes I’ve spent on it and this thread is too much. I’m done with it.
Nick Swisher is handsome.
LOL
So Moore is partly responsible for your physical well being and mental health?
That is interesting
by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 4, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, this is pure crap:
we can only sustain a $55 million or $60 million payroll in this market.
Next year? Ok. I think that’s reasonable. Not ideal, but reasonable. But here it sounds like he’s saying that in today’s dollars, a market the size of KC can only sustain a payroll around $60M. That’s BS and it should offend the intelligence of any Royals fan. With a horrible team that was losing a ton of games, Glass made a profit on a payroll in the over $70M. If the team is winning, there’s no way the team can’t sustain an $80-90M payrolI. I don’t know what the ceiling is, but $60M isn’t even close.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I could have sworn he mentioned attendence in that part of the answer
I’m thinking that 75M is attainable over the long-term, but there’s not a smart way for them to be over 50M in 2012, and they may not hit 45M next year either
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I’m thinking that 75M is attainable over the long-term,
It was attained in the recent past, and at a profit for the owner.
but there’s not a smart way for them to be over 50M in 2012
Really? The payroll is a little under $40M now. There’s no smart way to add say $15M to the payroll? One FA and one trade could do that easily.
and they may not hit 45M next year either
If they don’t want to they won’t. If they don’t make any additions to the team, they won’t. But you have to try pretty hard to spend that little on MLB payroll nowadays.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
you checked out the rotation lately
I think the quickest way to get an expensive pitcher is for Hochevar, and it’d be more of an Odalis Perez type, and I don’t think that makes up $10M of $15M
but they’re not signing expensive guys for the positions, they’re probably working with 2 open spots in the rotation for the offseason and several guys who can fill those spots with this team right now.
As for the pluses.. Butler and Soria will make more, Francoeur makes more, Gordon/Melky will make several million more combined, the rest will probably make a minimal raise for the other positions
and the team loses payroll because Kendall is gone, and the pitchers making $7M-ish combined (Davies/Chen/Francis).. so that’ll make it a bit harder to add $7M in new payroll
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I think the quickest way to get an expensive pitcher is for Hochevar, and it’d be more of an Odalis Perez type, and I don’t think that makes up $10M of $15M
They could easily acquire Wandy and they would have a shot at someone like Edwin Jackson. And there are other FA’s. I’m not saying Moore should necessarily go out and get these guys, but there are definitely smart moves that Moore could make which would get the payroll over $50M.
If Glass is willing to spend 93% of his revenues (which is I think what he’s done in recent years), then I think he can easily afford a $65M payroll. At least $60M. Now I think they should spend wisely and not just blindly spend up to a certain number. But I reject the notion that there’s no smart way for the Royals payroll to go over $50M for 2012.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
Wandy by himself- $10M 2012, $13M in 2013 and 2014 when he’s 34/35. The last $13M being a player option.
Wandy seems to be on a decline, so that $26M is going to be hard for anybody to justify.
and Edwin Jackson really hasn’t put it together for long enough to make a big deal for him logical. But then again, when did Wandy get his deal, so we have a benchmark here?
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even if $60M were the cap...
it’s not like we’re passing up opportunities because we can’t take on the cash. Our payroll is around $35M this season.
Yeah, not shit...
when they got the stadium renovations passed they promised 90 million on the field at one time. If you build a winner, they will come. That pisses me off big time.
by Crown Chief on Aug 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is the part that makes me crazy.
Four years ago the voters handed the franchise $225 million in tax money for the express purpose of renovating the stadium to make the club economically competitive.
Nobody expected us to become the Yankees. But how do you think the voters would have responded to the idea that their investment might be sufficient to produce a $55 million sustainable payroll?
It’s a bait-and-switch, and it sucks. I think it may take me some time to get past this.
by WaywardSaint on Aug 4, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
what a defeatist attitude
Maybe it is just gm speak, but it doesn’t sound like it to me.
I think those words are grounds for dismissal. If he really believes that he needs to go.
by Bryan Larson on Aug 4, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Ugh
This sucks. Really makes you question what the point is in being a Royals fan if this is the truth. I hope it isn’t.
How does he expect to win
If you can’t “out talent” other teams?
Grit, hustle and desire?
Pass me the sick bag.
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by kcbottom9th on Aug 4, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Don’t forget fire, chutzpah, moxy and brotherly love.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
BLOOMQUIST NOW!!!!!
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 4, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Families hanging out together
That’s worth how many WAR?
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by cmkeller on Aug 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lets just say Eric Hosmer has been told to impregnate as many women as possible
we’ve got to start building something
I thought to duplicate the Hos
the conception would need to be immaculate.
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by cmkeller on Aug 4, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
better be dominican women, so we can bypass the draft
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
by splitty on Aug 4, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Are you $(*%&$ serious, Dayton?
That’s nothing he HAS to say in terms of GM Speak. He honestly believes if. Those are unadulterated Dayton Thoughts. More orange slices and ice cream after games, and maybe Billy will want to go to more sleepovers at Jeffy’s house. And maybe one day, if the boys just believe in each other, they can all take home a little trophy with a little, gold baseball-man on it.
The man needs to move to Hickory and hope he can be Coach Dale’s successor.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 4, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The should change the name of this team to “The Good News Bears.”
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
hee hee
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayton Moore has officially stopped making any sense.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
I'm not sure what to think about this quote.
My first thought is basically agreeing with what Scott said in this thread.
My second thought is well, maybe he’s just talking about free agent talent.
My third thought is that’s bullshit because if you think that you can’t get talent through free agency, just fucking say it. It’s Kansas City, we already know how it’s an unattractive free agent target.
Whatever the meaning of this is, I’m not going to get upset over it. We already know Dayton Moore is clearly a really bad GM, and the meaning of this quote, positive or negative, is not going to change my opinion of him.
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
maybe he is covering up for himself if they don't do as well as expected?
well, if we had the resources to hire the best talent, then we would have succeeded….
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
That was something I thought as well.
Which disgusts me, but whatever. I’m done getting upset about Dayton Moore. We know who he is, and he’s not gonna change, no matter how much bullshit lip service there is about stats departments and liking OBP on Jim Bowden’s weird pre-2010 show and finding Felipe Paulino. He’s not a good GM. That’s a fact.
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
seems like...
if you can’t outspend someone, the only way to beat them is to ‘out-talent’ them.
I guess Dayton thinks the new market inefficiency is personality.
by Bart41 on Aug 4, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
and guys like that. Treanor and Bruce Chen and Mitch Maier are very important to the team. And that’s how you have to look at it.
Uh…. No they’re not. Bruce Chen is an over-the-hill mediocre pitcher. Treanor is okay, but he isn’t as important as Dayton is making him out to be. MITCH MAIER!?!?!??!?! WTF DAYTON?!
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
Dayton just knows that Maier gives us some great front-page material
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not if Mr Regression continues to make him his bitch
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by kcbottom9th on Aug 4, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Some guys who will be back next year
It’s gotta be a good team. Guys like Jeff Francoeur and Gordon and Hosmer and guys like that. Treanor and Bruce Chen and Mitch Maier are very important to the team. And that’s how you have to look at it.
It’s nice to see Gordon won’t be traded. Congrats Mitch on being offered arbitration. Jeff, Matt and Bruce, I’m not surprised I’ll see you back in Royal Blue next year.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am so tired of this attitude
This organization was just handed the gift of all gifts from Gil Meche.
Shouldn’t Moore be riding that and saying thanks to Gil Meche we are going to be very competitive in fa this year. Or thanks to Gil Meche we have signed some quality latin america talent.
WE ARE NEVER GONNA BE OUT TALENTED???
Get the hell out..Go cry into your cheerios somewhere else.
It is your job to talk the owner into spending his money. Now go do it.
Wow
If I was Hosmer I would demand to be traded now.
by Bryan Larson on Aug 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
also i'd guess that
if he wasn’t working off the cuff, he’d find a better phrase to use there for two reasons, one to reflect that there are teams we can out-talent (the Orioles), and one to reflect there are teams whose spending will get them better players..
the two definitions of talent probably don’t help clear things up.. there’s talent as in ability and future ability and so on
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So basically he's saying we can't out talent, but we can out camaraderie other teams?
I don’t get this mindset. The message is essentially once we actual get someone to come to Kansas City, we can’t let them go? That’s a great way to go about business. Once you’re here, you’re set for life just for coming!
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If I was the owner
He would be gone today. There is no reason for him to be a GM of a major league baseball team. Go coach little league Dayton.
by billski8 on Aug 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
GMDM's comments are incredibly accurate
It’s the harsh truth of baseball’s payroll system, but I don’t see how any of those statements are inaccurate.
The “out-talent” comment can be interpreted in many ways, I take it to mean that GMDM cannot build a team by buying talented player. If you look at the rosters of the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies, it’s impossible to argue that the Royals are on a leveel playing field. Looking at the Cubs, Mets, Giants, Angels, Rangers, White Sox, and Tigers rosters, it’s clear that we can barely afford one top-tier free agent talent, while these other teams can afford many more. As an example, the Meche and Guillen contract essentially tied up payroll for 3 years. When the WhiteSox do that with Peavy and Dunn, they still have money left to spend.
Instead, I take Dayton’s words (and more importantly, his actions over the past 5 years) to mean that we must develop talented players. One statement like this should not overshadow the incredible work he’s done to develop the best farm system.
Regarding the payroll, the $60MM number seems a little low to me, but it’s not wildly inaccurate. Even if it’s off by $10-$20MM, his point still holds true that our $70-80MM is not going to out-buy the other teams.
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But can't smart organizations acquire talent and compete with the large market teams?
And haven’t they done so? He didn’t say we can’t afford to buy talent. He said that the Royals can’t be as talented as everybody else, so we have to have high character guys who make everybody play hard every game.
Regarding the payroll, the $60MM number seems a little low to me, but it’s not wildly inaccurate. Even if it’s off by $10-$20MM, his point still holds true that our $70-80MM is not going to out-buy the other teams.
He didn’t say “out-buy” “outspend” or anything like that.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, he said out-talent.
Which could me a number of things. If he’d known that the quote would be parsed and analyzed like we’re doing here, he probably would have been more specific or not said it at all.
Given the ambiguity of the term “out-talent” and given GMDM’s historical moves (spending heavily on draft talent, Latin talent, and on minor-league scouting), I will continue to believe that he does want to spend $ on talent, but he wants to acquire minor league talent, not major league talent, because it is a better long-term investment/recipe for success.
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, he said out-talent.
Which could me a number of things
And apparently you don’t think one of those possible meanings is “have more talent than”. And it really doesn’t have any other meanings.
If he’d known that the quote would be parsed and analyzed like we’re doing here, he probably would have been more specific or not said it at all.
Nothing to parse really. It was a very straightforward statement. The wording was not confusing. The words have simple definitions. He said what he said. It doesn’t take a lot of deep analysis and parsing to discern his meaning.
Given the ambiguity of the term "out-talent"
Ambiguity?
I will continue to believe that he does want to spend $ on talent, but he wants to acquire minor league talent, not major league talent, because it is a better long-term investment/recipe for success.
But you won’t believe that he thinks that character and being a good clubhouse guy is necessary for the Royals because they can’t get more talent than other teams? Becuase, you know, that’s what he said.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Sssssssss
someone get a bucket of water, this man is on fire
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayton Moore brings out the worst in me
Especially when he signs a player or opens his mouth.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I've described it as two types of talent
Major League Talent and Minor League Talent. You can conflate the two into one category System-Wide Talent, but I think that simplifies it too much.
by Loose Seal on Aug 4, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just going by what Dayton Moore said
Clearly he doesn’t mean the Royals can’t out-minor-league-talent anybody. They had the besty system in baseball. So he must be talking about major league talent right? The major league team. So, according to Dayton Moore, the KC Royals can’t have more talent than other teams. So they have to find good character guys who will help everybody play hard.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That's one way to interpret it.
In fact, you’re probably interpreting it more literally than I am. I just don’t think the literal interpretation captures Dayton’s meaning. Once you get past the GM speak, I think there is some truth about how the Royals need to spend money on raw $1-2MM minor-league talent and not on $15-20MM major league free agent talent.
by Loose Seal on Aug 4, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I agree
I think he poorly misstated himself, because he makes it sound like he’s talking about all his talent, not just FA talent. I hope that’s what he meant, because I really hope he doesn’t think he can just accumulate a mediocre team and they’ll win because they’re a great group of guys.
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he’s arguing for going out and getting great clubhouse guys…because they are really important to help a team like the Royals. And I think he really believes that.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's explaining
why Getz and Melky are playing everyday and Cain and Jonny G are in AAA still.
Among other things
Because what he said went far, far beyond that. Oh and even on these limited terms, he’s really full of shit.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I was just highlighting a corner of idocy...
not to diminish the other aspects.
Well,
there is a picture of him mocking Chrissy…
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 4, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
his point was...
that we can justify signing francoeur because he’s a nice guy. so in the world of the “we can’t get talent” we have to buy nice guys. That’s our strategy. We can’t buy guys with upside? We can’t buy undervalued guys? We can’t draft better and develop talent better? We can’t play Cain instead of Frenchy or Jonny G over Getz? WTF.
by Bart41 on Aug 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cain and Gia are A-holes
They aren’t the kind of guys who will make everybody play hard for each of 162 games.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They're too selfish to take naked BP
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by Dr. van Strijcker on Aug 4, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
THEIR FAMILIES DON'T GET ALONG!!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 4, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also what the fuck
The Meche and Guillen contracts tied us up because Dayton Moore is bad at evaluating Major League talent. They never should have gotten those huge contracts. Meche’s turned out to be okay in hindsight, but Guillen? Never should have been given that contract.
You can’t give credit to Dayton without taking it away for all the other mistakes.
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Meche was not a bad evaluation
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Yes I said that
But Meche was barely an average pitcher going into that contract
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite a few teams were after him
The Blue Jays GM in particular got very pissy about having lost Meche to the Royals.
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there was some fortune for us with Meche
because he could have been a lot worse before we blew up his arm
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That's what I said, or was trying to say
It was a good contract in hindsight but it didn’t seem like a great idea at the time, at least to me
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
the handling of Meche in 09 was a bit of a costly mistake.. especially since if he was even a bit dinged up this year, we could have found a spot for him with the Giants or somewhere else that needed any form of pitchers.
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no no
those contracts were bad because they were bad teammates. Those contracts weren’t bad because they weren’t talented.
Guillen was coming off of a replacement level season with Washington and an average season with Seattle
Then he got a contact with the Royals for some reason (we really had to go win it all in 2008, the team was ready and everything)
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just dawning on me that this may be sarcasm
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And that synergy comment by him was effing stupid.
Somebody should’ve slapped in the face him for that.
ok...
so how are his comments incredibly accurate?
“I’m sorry, but ‘synergy’? And ‘paradigm’? Aren’t these just words stupid people use to make themselves sound smart?
I’m fired, aren’t I?"
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Nope. You're hired.
-Royals Front Office
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 4, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I believe alcoholics call this
The Moment of Clarity
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by sm7600 on Aug 4, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Maybe he meant
we are never going to out-talent anybody…
in the FRONT OFFICE!
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 4, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Total crap.....
Doesn’t the #1 farm system equate to TALENT (DUH!), and Royals can control each player in it for at least 6 years (2-3 of those at league minimums).
They at worst should EQUAL-TALENT most teams soon, and with the payroll <$40m this year, they better damn well bank some of that to extend/buy out arbitration years through at lot of the 2010s….
I refuse to let them make excuses on talent, at least right now. Out-payroll, fine. Out-talent, absolutely NOT!
/end of rant for now
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Rockies actually out-talented a LOT of teams
at shortstop (Tulo), and in the outfield (Holliday)
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when it comes to pitching in 2012, some of you will love this
from Ned’s live chat going on right now
In terms of our pitching, Mike Montgomery, Chris Dwyer, Will Smith, Mendoza in Omaha are all names that we’re looking at for starting pitching candidates next year. There’s been some thought of exploring the possibility of some of our bullpen guys in starting roles next year…Holland, Crow and Coleman. Those are just thoughts right now.
Ithere’s 2 spots and at least a half-dozen people in the org right now that I could see in those two spots, but Will Smith/Dwyer/Mendoza did not make that list. Because two of the three are in Springdale and other isn’t good
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by BHWick on Aug 4, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
some good news here
at least they are willing to consider the top bullpen arms as starters in the future.
That must mean they are good teammates too!
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Yes, they're all the way up to:
“some thought of exploring the possibility” of moving some reliever(s) to the rotation.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
the rest of that quote goes, "The bullpen guys really need to show they’re ready to sit in the dugout those 4 days between starts. People really underestimate the impact of pitchers on their off days. I want to see how they handle communication with bat boy, making trips to the dugout for food, and laughing at McClure’s jokes. Maybe one of those guys can really prove themselves during spring training next year to have what it takes to be a great clubhouse guy.
by Bart41 on Aug 4, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
...and how well they handle babysitting the other players kids...
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 4, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So How They
Actually pitch for 6 to 9 innings is secondary.
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by philofthenorth on Aug 4, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
wow...
if will smith makes a start in the majors I call the Callaspo trade a declarative win!
is that how we're judging trades now?
b/c when it is pointed out that the DDJ was a definite win b/c he’s been awful then thats a bad way to judge a trade. When it works the other way around like with Bert, then it’s alright to use that logic? Which is it? Or is it just whatever way makes DM look bad?
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was just throwing some information out there
Not giving an in depth analysis of the trade. But Bert’s true talent level has been pretty average, even before this year. For 2008-2010, his WAR/150 games was 1.92.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
and thats fine...but we've gotta be consistent with how we're evaluating trades...
if callaspos performance since the trade works against Moore than DDJs has to work in Moore favor, right?
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
.6 WAR for $4 million so far...
-.1 WAR with 4 more years of control…c’mon
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If the standard for the Royals winning the trade is whether Marks pitches in the majors
what the other player has done is certainly relevant, and in this case, would strongly suggest that, no, the Royals did not “win” the trade.
Moore sold low on a cheap club control guy who projected to be league average, which was my comment at the time of the trade. The trade certainly looks worse now.
where was he projected to play?
ahead of Betemit the first half? ahead of moose now? he was likely to contribute very little to the royals
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
whether to trade Callaspo
and what he was traded for are two separate things.
By your logic, if the Royals somehow acquired Joey Votto, thereby making Billy Butler expendable, the Royals should be happy to trade him for Paulo Orlando.
Trading Callaspo was fine, although he should have been traded in the prior offseason (which again was mentioned at the time). If he had stuck around, however, I would have played Callaspo over Getz, and considering Betemit’s defensive woes at 3B, I would have played Callaspo over him most of the time.
Oh wow
This was so goofy I just had to chuckle. Dwyer and Smith? In 2012? Candidates for the KC rotation?
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwyer is just having such a good year
He’s totally forcing the FO’s hand.
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But the good news is he won’t be out-talenting anybody. Must have tremendous clubhouse presence.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He's a real baseball kind of baseball player man
A real baseball player he is.
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by Lum on Aug 4, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's some kind of a real baseball player
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by Dr. van Strijcker on Aug 4, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If Butler is Country Breakfast
Maybe Dwyer can be “Family Dinner”
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 4, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing Smith is close to "obligatory minor leaguer to mention" right now
and that dudes whose strikeout rate in AA is lower than Sean O’Sullivan’s AAA K-rate are not seriously candidates.
Teaford not being on the giant list of rotation candidates when they’re mentioning guys who haven’t started since college.. yeah. You’d think Teaford was still on that list
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I’m guessing Smith is close to “obligatory minor leaguer to mention” right now
Really? Is he even one of the Royals better pitching prospects? And he’s having a crappy year. He looks like a borderline prospect to me…and one who is in AA. Not even someone who should be on the long list for possible rotation candidates.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smith's K/9 is 5.5
so really, he’s probably just someone with a memorable name who was part of a no-hitter. On the same level that Luis Mendoza (who also threw a no-hitter, contrary to what the PCL would have you believe) is getting mentioned.
I’d need to do too much searching to figure out if there was a “dude we might put in the rotation next year” guy around this time last year.. Teaford?
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I don’t think Moore or Yost mentioned Teaford as a rotation candidate for 2012, even though he absolutely dominated the Texas League. So I have no idea why Yost is mentioning Dwyer and Smith when neither of them look like they are anywhere near close to being MLB-ready.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but Teaford was mentioned for 2011
but I don’t remember if it was before the year ended, or around the time they traded Greinke and had to patch the hole they just put in their rotation
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Are you sure they were talking about Teaford?
Maybe as late as the Greinke trade, but I don’t recall hearing anything about him from Moore/Yost curing the 2010 calendar year.
Regardless, it is odd that he’d be talking about two poorly performing, young AA pitchers as rotation candidates. It’s whacky.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
well, the Greinke trade was in 2010
but as for the 2010 season
9/26/10: “Club officials expect several pitchers to make a push next spring to make the opening roster. They point to Danny Duffy and Everett Teaford as strong candidates for the rotation or bullpen. Relievers Tim Collins, Louis Coleman and Blaine Hardy are also in line for an extended look.”
You may remember Blaine Hardy from such 2011 highlights like “getting demoted to Springdale in July”..
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by BHWick on Aug 4, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Interesting
At least Teaford made some sense given his age and performance in 2010. Dwyer and Smith still leave me scratching my head.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
DUDE!! do you work?!!
Man ur telling the entire story from yesterday.. Well except for the hot Latin girl from public affairs that escorted us to the post game interview room.. Don’t u dare BHwick.. She’s mine!
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Pictures???
PICTURES!!!!!
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Yes I have 2 pics of her.. Had to sneak em in
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Share, share!
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I'm going to put it in my blog I'm writing from last night
After I get off work
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You done yet?
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..ah. Just messing.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 4, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you define work?
for the sake of reference..
and the Ark City conversation was something unique to overhear
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by Mas Cervezas on Aug 4, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only reason we won't be able to 'out-talent' anyone is because he (DM) can't recognize, evaluate, and sign talent.
Talent is his job. If we can’t compete in that area its on him. He’s making excuses that he wouldn’t accept from his players.
by Steve Hovley on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We're never going to out-talent anyone.
Plus, we’re never going to out-score, out-pitch or make outs in general.
Out.
I've been in this game for 30 years.
by fakenedyost on Aug 4, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I took a logic class in college:
1) Talent wins sporting contests
2) In deciding a winner between two teams, the team with more talent generally wins, given a big enough sample size
3) Teams should try to out-talent their competition
Sorry this is so hard for you to grasp, Dayon.
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Your fancy logic doesn't win baseball games
Grizzled old (white) baseball men squinting and spitting win baseball games.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Omar Minaya is so angry right now
Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 4, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore spent a 100 million
on Meche, Guillen and all his draft signings.
He’s just giving himself excuses really, once his “super talented” farm system fails to transition into a MLB championship contender and he’s fired.
Glass has given Moore exponentially more resources than Baird
Let's take a look at that 2009 Colorado squad, that won because of their comraderie, apparently:
Payroll: $74.7m (as point of reference, KC was at 76.0m that season)
Top 5 talents, in WAR:
1) Tulowitzki 6.8
2) U Jiminez 5.1
3) Helton 4.2
4) Marquis 3.1
5) Cook 2.6
While it’s true that 4 of those 5 were developed by Colorado (only Marquis was acquired elsewhere – via a trade), it’s only fair to point out that Helton was making 16.6m and Marquis was making 9.875m, and Aaron Cook was making 9.375m
So, maybe if Moore wants to argue that by “out-talent” he really meant “out-develop”, not “out spend” -OK, except:
Rockies commited nearly $26m to two of their four developed guys, and dipped into the trade market to the tune of another $10m player.
Keep in mind, that is in 2009 dollars too. Conclusion: THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN USE THE COLORADO MODEL WITH A MEAGER $55 MILLION PAYROLL!
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Let's also not discount this possibility:
Moore is “taking a bullet” in advance for Glass.
Remembering the Baird era – it was widely thought that Baird took the blame for some of the seemingly stupid decisions dictated by the Glass family.
If strikeouts are indeed fascist - then find me some starters that believe in fascism
Here's what I want to know:
Did Moore forget our payroll for the last two season?
2010: $71 million
2009: $76 million
Why exactly is that not sustainable? The Royals, from what I understand, made a profit both seasons. Why should the payroll not be at least $75 million if not more, especially if the Royals actually do start winning.
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by RoyalPug on Aug 4, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is what I have been constantly posting about,
Given Glass’ desire to merely break even (and hell, even assuming he is willing to spend only 93% of his revenue on payroll, as Scott points out), then by all accounts he is $40m ahead of the game after this season, right?
I was wondering if he would be willing to commit that extra $40m (at the moment of contention) to put the team “over the top” in some future contending window – but apparently, taking Moore at his word, the answer is a definitive NO.
Glass is pretty old; wonder how old his son is? Wonder if there is a family history of heart disease or cancer? Because that’s what it might take for this team to win anything.
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Reminds of the old SNL weekend update sketch
Where they had “Steinbrenner Watch.”
“Unfortunately, Mr. Steinbrenner did not pass away today. There was some brief hope after he cut himself shaving this morning, but those hopes were dashed when it did indeed clot.”
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are you banking on a Rocky Wirtz scenario?
but don’t doubt that I wish Ewing Kauffman had an heir
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by BHWick on Aug 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad he mentioned synergy
what I’m worried about is that lack of attention to handshakefulness.
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Tremendous synergy
We are going to combine losing and smiles LIKE YOU’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!
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Lets win the world series next year
Then we can increase our payroll to $150 million and it’ll all be okay.
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Moore is only signed through 2014. We've got to do something about this.
Let's bring back the lifetime contract.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
omg
he really said that didn’t he. Well, I’m firmly in the FIRE DAYTON MOORE group now.
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Everyone else's talent is just TOO DAMN HIGH.
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Winner!!!!!
My laugh for the day. Thank you.
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Ha, I had never heard of this guy.
Googled ‘too damn high’ and this guy is great. Thanks for the reference.
Check out his website
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by Lum on Aug 5, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see the problem.
I mean, all he is saying is that in order to be competitive, the Royals will have to rely on shrewd decisions by the front office and the unsurpassed managerial genius of Ned Yost.
Yeah Its time for a nice extended break I think
Quotes like this just prove the Royals don’t have a fucking chance to compete with a moron like this as their GM.
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 4, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I wonder what the players think about quotes like this.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
This quote might be too hard for even Rany to spin!
Will be interested to listen to his show tonight…
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by loyal2sdad on Aug 4, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If I didn't live in Kansas City
this would be my Rob Neyer moment.
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You guys might hate it
But he is right. For the short term at least. Look at the talent of our division first. We have to have more talent than the others in our division first.
Twins: Mauer… who is our answer to MVP? Morneau… Hosmer can get to MVP level? We don’t have a Pavano or Liriano. We match up in the pen and the OF just fine. Jim Thome? We don’t have that on the bench.
Tigers: Miguel Cabrera? We’ve got nothing that compares. Penny and Hoch compare maybe. Verlander… not even close. Porcello. Scherzer. Nothing. Even Boesch is even with our OFs… and then of course Carlos Guillen… think about how much better they are as a whole. Valverde is better than Soria (ducks).
Indians: Now that they’ve made some trades it might help us…. Ubaldo when he’s good? Masterson has been better than any of our guys…. Carlos Santana is better than our catching prospects. We hope that Salvador gets to that level. Grady is better than all our OFers when he is healthy… but we match up alright with them in other spots…
White Sox: Buerhle… Peavy…Konerko… . even AJ who everyone hates.
I mean, we are so far behind talent wise in positions that need to be solid even in our own division. If we just talked about pitching…. I mean we know how bad that is. Now don’t get me wrong, we have Moose. Hosmer. Giavotella. Duffy. Perez. Monty. Odorizzi. These are guys who I think will be better than the AL Central average player they compare too….
I might just be rambling but I think for the short term, we can’t compare to the endless line of players who play for the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Rangers…. But it’s just thinking.
The way we are going to win is develop players, supplement after we have the base developed at the MLB level, and produce a winning atmosphere in the clubhouse.
how do we supplement the core
when we’ve been told that its beyond our means and nobody wants to play here anyway?
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
well certainly not in 5 years
with this bunch
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
Fun fact:
Which team in the central division has the divisions MVP?
Of course you can probably guess the answer.
The Royals – Alex Gordon, who has, somewhat unheralded, put up MVP quality value this year.
In fact the Royal’s two best players Gordon and Melky, have put up more WAR than any other team in the divisions top 2
For comparison
Royals – 8 WAR
Tigers 7.8 WAR 5.7 WAR
Indians-6.1 WAR
Sox -6.1 WAR
Twins
The team needs pitching, thats for sure. But if just two of Duffy, Paulino, Montgomery, or even a seemingly renewed Hoch can be solid #2’s then this could be an average, dare I say, good team.
But we’ll be good because we are talented. Replacing Frenchy with Locain isn’t going to make every one else stop hitting.
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 4, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They're never going to out-talent anybody
Can’t afford it, sorry. And don’t tell me how many games they’ve won in recent seasons. I don’t care about your fancy made up stats.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is Kendall to protect one of his boys when he needs him?
Bet Dayton wishes he could rewind himself. I mean, why else are you keeping him around if he’s not there at the stadium to intimidate the shit out of some blogger-dorks from asking stupidass questions and completely misquoting the boss?
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It's about time
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 4, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“their families got along.”
“We had a deal in place to acquire Tim Lincecum, but we found out his mom is a real bitch and had to nix the deal.”
Let's just trust the process.
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but we lead the league in hugs & friendship!
by ajanzen on Aug 4, 2011 9:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also, as a note, I don't think I've ever seen so many rec'd comments in one post before
Frustration brings out the best in us.
Vi veri veniversum vivus vici
There's no way we out-talent the Reds
I heard Bronson Arroyo is the guitarist for Nickelback. Sure, Alcides Escobar has a beautiful tenor voice, but not enough bells and whistles for the judges to put us over the top. :(
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 5, 2011 3:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I heard this quote referenced on 810 this morning
I also learned that you guys aren’t journalists from the same source. My entire life is built on a LIE!
"I DARE you to make less sense."
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