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Royals Lose Late to Tigers

It's Friday night, the season is a lost cause. Don't worry about it.

  • Two hits for Johnny Giavotella in his debut.
  • Lots of singles up and down the lineup, and a nice rally in the 7th, but that was it.
  • Another good start from Paulino. I'm not sure I'm fully a believer yet, but he's done well.

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Well Football starts soon

But the Jags aren’t good either so I have nothing

Chris Getz, Bumblin' and Fumblin' since 1983

by tiquanunderwear on Aug 5, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

We shall see

Chris Getz, Bumblin' and Fumblin' since 1983

by tiquanunderwear on Aug 5, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's got the highest ceiling...

but i saw very little in the way of on field performance out of gabbert last year that led me to believe he’ll be any good…although, i said the exact same thing about freeman

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 5, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ryan Mallett

has the highest ceiling, since he has the best arm. It’s just that some people think he might be another Ryan Leaf. I think it was moronic that he dropped as far as he did when less-talented guys like Gabbert went high in the first.

by mikewormdog on Aug 6, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

How can you argue Cam Newton doesn’t have the highest ceiling? The guy was the best college QB in the history of college football last year and was the #1 pick for a reason.

He’s a bigger strong Vince Young with a much more accurate arm. The problem is he’s only done it for one year and all the off-field shit may torpedo his career (don’t think so though)

After Newton has a few years to acclimate to the NFL you will look back at this post and laugh at the notion that anyone has a higher ceiling than him. As a Falcon fan I hope he doesn’t pan out, but his potential is ridiculous; you can argue he has more potential than any QB in the history of the NFL if he is able to utilize his running skill set.

How many college QB’s lead his team to an undefeated record through the SEC and won the national championship with 50 total td’s, 7 interceptions, 3000 passing yards and 1500 rushing yards in one season?

None

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 6, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

lolwut?
The guy was the best college QB in the history of college football last year

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by averagegatsby on Aug 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot about Newton,

though I don’t think his ceiling is as high as someone like Michael Vick’s was (sorry, Falcons guy). I do think the question should have been Mallett or Newton as the top qb. That said, however, I’d say Newton has a better shot at being JaMarcus Russell, who was also amazing in college in the tough SEC. Or Tim Tebow. Or Matt Jones.

by mikewormdog on Aug 6, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he does

Michael Vick was never an accurate QB..his completion % was always sub 60,% and he was NEVER accurate

The ironic part is it took his two years of being incarcerated before he learned to be a pocket passer

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 10, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...to think that newton has a higher ceiling than vick is more laughable than anything ive said...

vick had a stronger arm by far…was quicker, faster and a better runner by far…

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 6, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vick was never a good QB!

Until last year his QB rating was about 75 for his career!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2549/michael-vick

He didn’t even come close fulfilling his potential because he never developed as a passer, until last year. Even if he is a great running QB, he also broke his leg after scrambling in a preseason game because of it. Newton is 40 pounds heavier and a half a foot taller than Vick and will be able to scramble and take a hit. BUT he’s a much better passer than Vick was even 6 years into his NFL career.

Its foolish to discount Cam Newton as a QB prospect when former NFL QB’s like Dilfer (say what you want but he did win a SB) rave about his ability. John Gruden said he was easily the best player in the country and an impeccable football player. Several other coaches said he was the best college QB ever to play a single season:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/01/some_coaches_call_auburn_qb_ca.html

There is plenty of praise out there and its justified because the guy was phenomenal last year

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 10, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reports from Panthers camp say

Newton couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat (is anyone surprised?). Great college QB, but they are saying Jimmy Clausen is owning him in camp. Jimmy freaking Clausen! They signed Derek Anderson for Pete’s sake. I think Carolina blew it and set their team back 5 years. I like the Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder picks. Those guys won’t start right away, but they will be solid NFL qbs in the future.

I need to go take a Davies and wipe my Elarton. Excuse me.

by royaldaddy on Aug 6, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good call, I mean, if a guy was a great college QB, that must mean he'll be great in the pros!!

I can’t wait to see what Eric Crouch is gonna do this year.

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Aug 6, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know Vince Young completely sucks right?

College is way different than the pros.

“Most potential than any QB in the history of the nfl”

You are going way overboard. Jamarcus Russell had more potential.

by vic1124 on Aug 6, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jamarcus Russell did have potential

and was a bust because of his work ethic.

Cam Newton has the most potential because he has an ability unmatched by any QB, pretty much ever. Andrew Luck looks like the best QB prospect ever ,and will probably be a better player than Newton, only because he was a greater probability of reaching his potential than Netwon, but you cannot deny that Newton has ridiculous potential.

by GobbleforCyoung on Aug 10, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mallett's ceiling is very high - there are serious concerns about his accuracy, right?

I remember hearing all the buzz about his off-field issues and never really hearing anything specific beyond the occasional marijuana rumor. There’s smoke there (no pun intended) but I"m not convinced there’s fire.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 6, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he failed a test for pot (i think)

and got an MIP…both maybe in his freshman year at michigan. i heard some completely unsubstantiated issues of cocaine problems, but without any sort of evidence, the people that reported those should be shot.

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 6, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was more impressed by Giavotella than I expected

Laid off pitches he couldn’t hit without flinching. Compact, quick stroke. Hit the ball hard each time up. Took a walk.

Gia looks a lot better than Moose at the plate right now.

by kcdc1 on Aug 5, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

As always with any rookie

the real test will be once MLB pitchers develop a book on him. But the early signs are encouraging. Without a doubt an immediate improvement on Getz. I swear I could see Getz watching his career flash before his eyes when they showed him getting ready to pinch run for Billy.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 5, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely

Did Gia swing and miss tonight?

by kcdc1 on Aug 5, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not impressed with Moose

Maybe Gia will start swinging through high heat and flailing at curves in the dirt, but it hasn’t happened yet. He looks like he’ll hit for average.

by kcdc1 on Aug 6, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that depends on what you mean “form an impression.” Sure seeing him tells me something. But I don’t think that impression from seeing him at bat a few times really tells me much. He laid off some bad pitches and hit some good pitches. That’s good. But it really doesn’t tell me a lot. I certainly can’t say from seeing him in one game that I think he’s a good bet to hit for average in the majors.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 6, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didnt say he will hit for average

He said, based off this one game, it “looks like he will hit for average”. He didn’t guarantee this or jump to any crazy conclusion.. he watched one game, and made a pretty reasonable observation about it. If gio looks awful tomorrow and he says it looks like he won’t hit for average, that would be just as trivial.

by LimaTime10 on Aug 6, 2011 2:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

If gio looks awful tomorrow and he says it looks like he won’t hit for average, that would be just as trivial.

And just as unwarranted.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 6, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And let’s not go crazy here. I liked what I saw from Gia, but it was 4 PA. He looks good so far. That’s all I’m saying.

by kcdc1 on Aug 6, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scott, this is where u get your reputation as a pessimist

He didn’t say a single thing overly optimistic or unreasonable, but because he said he was more impressed than he thought he would be, u decide to cool him down with your comment

by LimaTime10 on Aug 6, 2011 1:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

reputation might not be the best word

But this is why some people consider u overly negative. Had johnny went 0-4 with two strikeouts, and an anti-johnny member commented saying "I was less impressed with jhonny than I thought I would be ", there is no way u would’ve commented saying the opposite of what u said to kcdc. He said he was more impressed than he thought he would be, gave reasons why, and didn’t make any huge predictions based on the game….. No reason for a response belittling his observations

by LimaTime10 on Aug 6, 2011 2:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i dunno...i feel like he'd probably have said 'its 4 at bats'

and made a joke at jims expense about gia trending downward

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 6, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

all im saying

Is that kcdc’s comment might have been a little extra positive, but was very understandable and reasonable . He didn’t make a single overly positive statement, but Scott responded like kcdc had made up his mind before the game and was too stubborn to react the way gios performance dictated. That just kinda rubs me the wrong way

by LimaTime10 on Aug 6, 2011 2:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ehh...i can see that perspective too...

there’s alot more optimism/positivity tthan may be warranted due to the ‘not getz’ factor…people want to believe that he’ll be better than getz even though the odds dont favor it.

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 6, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

i voted 710-750

My beef isn’t with how people think he will perform this year… What I don’t get is why saying " I was more impressed than I thought I would be" even deserves a counter argument. Seriously, after one game, I’m sure EVERYONE is more impressed than they expected. Acting like kcdc had made up his mind, just bc he expects good production out of gio, doesn’t make sense

by LimaTime10 on Aug 6, 2011 2:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My beef isn’t with how people think he will perform this year… What I don’t get is why saying " I was more impressed than I thought I would be" even deserves a counter argument

I didn’t exactly provide a counterargument. I responded with a bit of snark, and not about Gia. The snark was about kcdc1’s perpetual positivity. He sees the bright side in all things about the Royals. If Gia had 4 K’s in this game, kcdc1 would have pointed out how hard he hit a couple foul balls. Then later he concluded (based on what he saw in 4 PA’s) that Gia should hit for average in the majors. I pointed out that such a conclusion based on seeing so little of a player is unwarranted. No biggie.

Seriously, after one game, I’m sure EVERYONE is more impressed than they expected.

Really? It’s hard for a player to exceed or fall short of my expectations based on what they do in one game.
Acting like kcdc had made up his mind, just bc he expects good production out of gio, doesn’t make sense

It doesn’t take much to get kcdc1 to jump to a positive conclusion about any Royals player, GM or the team.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 6, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Giavotella is awesome

Also really fast from the bits I saw on live look-in

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by Lum on Aug 5, 2011 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Call me an asshole

But this makes me very happy. They shouldn’t be a good team, a lot like the ’03 Royals.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Aug 6, 2011 1:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't take this personally

but you are an asshole.

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by buddyball on Aug 6, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

gia definitely looked solid at the plate tonight.

i didnt see anything positive or negative out of him in the field…he wasnt really tested. good debut overall for him.

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 5, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

But . . .

. . . we haven't been mathematically eliminated!

by kansasjohn on Aug 5, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now, that having been said...

…no, the Royals should not abandon their long-term strategy and make roster moves and strategic decisions exclusively in order to please us here and now. Again, the professionals should be thinking long-term. All I’m saying is: AS FANS, our investment in each game shouldn’t be slave to long-term considerations.

by WaywardSaint on Aug 5, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

im with you...i do care each and every game...

but it’d be much tougher for me to do that without seeing what’s on the horizon. the royals have been much more fun for me the past year and a half b/c even if the royals put up a stinker, i could go through a couple box scores and see something really promising. Tonight, couldve been a crushing game…but then i look and see that our IF had a combined age of like 91 and all have a chance to be good/great players

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 5, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

If Royals fans had been emphasizing the results of individual games over the long-term development of the organization, well…the suicide rate in the KC metro area would be abnormally, astronomically high.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 6, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a rare year where I don't expect bad shit or expect my wife to ask me

why the hell I care about the Royals. They are competitive. The fewer turds hanging around for a paycheck, the better.

by kansasjohn on Aug 6, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel the same way.

I still get emotionally invested in a game where I’m sitting in the stands in late September, scorecard in hand, with a few thousand other people scattered around me. For that moment, the rest of the Royals’ record doesn’t matter; I go home happy upon a successful win.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 5, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

solid

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by averagegatsby on Aug 6, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read a book about people who are really good at Scrabble

and how they can all instantly solve long anagrams. I consider myself above average at wordplay type stuff, and that just blows my mind.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 6, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is a website you can plug words into and it churns out a ridiculous amount of responses.

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by averagegatsby on Aug 6, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

.

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/

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by Lum on Aug 6, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here are the anagrams for...

…my name: Cat Limy, Act Limy, Cay Milt, Lam City, Malt Icy, Lac Ti My, Lac It My, Talc I My, La Tic My. I like Cat Limy and Malt Icy the best.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Aug 6, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's probably akin to the savants

who can recite pi to 20,000 digits. One group sees numbers in a whole new way, for the others, it may be letters. Bet they get all the chicks, too.

by LaFLamme on Aug 6, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite Royals anagram is Aaron Crow

Racoon War!

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by Lum on Aug 6, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot about that.... It's excellent

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by Lum on Aug 6, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ol Danger Ox

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by averagegatsby on Aug 6, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

dang. that's unfortunate.

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by Lum on Aug 6, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hyaena Loving Jolt

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by buddyball on Aug 6, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shane Victorino is a top 5 asshat in all of baseball.

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by averagegatsby on Aug 6, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Charged the mound...

I didn’t see it, I’m assuming he overreacted to getting plunked. I remember him standing at second base motioning to have a kid ejected from a game for interference. Which is fine if the kid gets tossed, but for Victorino to basically hold up the game until it happened was such a douchy move.

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by averagegatsby on Aug 6, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard something about a brawl tonight?

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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 6, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like

Victorino got hit by a pitch and sort of slow-motion charged the mound. Catcher stepped in, Palanco tackled catcher, and the benches cleared. Haven’t seen a clip yet.

by LaFLamme on Aug 6, 2011 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, exactly, but the HBP was blatant. Victorino did nothing wrong.

The catcher was the one that escalated it. The Giants just don’t like getting their asses handed to ‘em, and can’t handle it.

by play4'ships on Aug 6, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ramon Ramirez threw at Victorino

I know everyone hates me on here, but hey, at least I'm known.

by Arrowhead Alec on Aug 6, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

fucking catcher...

hopping around like a boxer…then trying to tackle polanco and failing miserably. he should be suspended simply for embarrassing himself

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 6, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahah fucking Eli Whiteside

way to make himself look like an ass.
Also he has stupid hair.

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by Lum on Aug 6, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

The somewhat neat thing about the whole scuffle is how . . .

. . . calm the managers are, esp. Bruce Boche. He has this bored, disinterested look in his eyes, like, “This is silly.”

by kansasjohn on Aug 6, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Lincecum is their enforcer, just like in hockey.

Why do think that Mitch is still on the roster? Someone has to bring the pain when the stuff hits the fan!

by A Study in Blue on Aug 6, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Duude, bros, just chill, come ooonn guyyyys

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by Lum on Aug 6, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

By the time the camera cuts away, that dude is still down there struggling with Polanco’s legs, proving to be a mild inconvenience, at best.

by LaFLamme on Aug 6, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I read somewhere that somebody had Gio rated as Pedroia-light as a ceiling, and

Eckstein as a floor.

Really? I mean, there is a HUGE amount of space between those two!

Just goes to show you what Scott is saying – it’s way too early to tell, and probably still will be at the end of his 150-200 AB trial this season.

That being said, I must admit I have a funny feeling about this one. The whole short guy with a chip on his shoulder, the “he can’t play defense” opinions, hell, even the fact that he played middle linebacker in high school, all leave me with the irrational thought that he might somehow end up being a MUCH better player than it appears from the projections. God knows the Royals are due to catch lightning in a bottle sometime soon!

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by loyal2sdad on Aug 6, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

anyone who is saying a good but not elite prospect like giavotella

has a floor of eckstein is a fucking idiot. i hated the guy, but he put up 15 WAR in his his seasons of team control. scotts research told us that that is a success and not at all expected for elite guys like myers, moose and hosmer let alone 150-200 prospects like giavotella.

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by billybeingbilly on Aug 6, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better than the projections

I’ve thought for awhile that he would exceed projections. For some reason, people have overstated his supposed “negatives” all year. The defensive reports have mostly come from people who haven’t even seen him play, are just repeating internet babble (people said the same about Hos and Moose defense, which has been at least adequate). Thanks mostly to the way we communicate today (internet, message boards, social media), sweeping and absolute generalizations are made that just get repeated into becoming accepted truth.

I’ll always take someone’s first-hand opinion of a player into consideration, with some salt. But these guys that just repeat what they heard someone else say drives me nuts. I’ve heard people state something about a Royals minor-leaguer as fact because “Greg Schaum said it.” Greg is entitled to his opinion- but I’d rather trust my own once I’ve had the chance to form it! Greg doesn’t automatically know ANYTHING about baseball, just because he runs a website. A good look at his website tells you that he’s just another fan.

by Rufus R. Jones on Aug 6, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that's not just ripping

on Schaum, he’s just the one of the primary examples.

by Rufus R. Jones on Aug 6, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

any onoing concern for Crow?

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by buddyball on Aug 6, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

He's performed well, but his control is a problem

Not a problem which will prevent him from being an effective reliever, but it’s something he needs to work on.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 6, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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