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Hochevar before "adjustment":
5.46 ERA, 4.56 K/9, 2.89 BB/9

Hochevar after "adjustment":
2.41 ERA, 7.05 K/9, 2.71 BB/9

A sharp contrast, but it's only 33 and 2/3 innings. Do the numbers reflect a bit of genuine improvement, or is this purely a hot stretch?

10 months ago Tiny kcdc1 28 comments 0 recs  | 

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I don't know

It could be real and an improvement that we should see for years to come. Or it could be like the “adjustment” they made when he was tipping pitches. That “fix” was supposed to be the silver bullet that put him over the top too.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 9, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, they’ve “fixed” him a bunch of times. Shame that he won’t be able to have a family.

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do you remember if there was any improvement after the pitch-tipping fix? This adjustment was at least followed by a hot streak, giving it some semblance of credibility.

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is the actual adjustment date again?

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 9, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe July 15 was his first post-adjustment start

It conveniently lines up with the pre-AS and post-AS break splits.

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the mlb.com recap for the July 15 game:

Hochevar was coming off two starts in which the Royals won easily, scoring 16 and 13 runs, but he didn’t last the necessary five innings to secure the victory. The Royals urged Hochevar to vary his speeds more and make his pitch selection more unpredictable. It seemed to work.

I think Dutton released a video a couple days later talking about adjustments for the RHP’s.

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 9, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I was just going to look at his pitch select before and after

Looks like he has almost ditched the slider, using change more.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 9, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

And more fastball useage

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 9, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The colors are different for CH and CU.

Makes it confusing, but I don’t think there is much of a difference in CH and CU usage.

Looks like he’s throwing more 4 seamers and fewer sinkers. And does FC = cutter? Throwing a few more of those too.

by hawkinscm87 on Aug 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope it's real.

Hooch could be pretty valuable and worthwhile… we can dream, can’t we?

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by CollininCalifornia on Aug 9, 2011 9:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i'm going to go with real, he looks quite good lately.

Goes to show you what getting show strike outs does for your numbers.

by BeauJackson on Aug 9, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Ks are encouraging

But is there BABIP data yet to compare this hot stretch to the rest of the season? Given the way people describe him as baffling hitters when he’s on, I’m curious if he also causes them to do less when they put the ball in play.

by thelaundry on Aug 9, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i wonder how valuable it would be to look at where he's locating

i believe an article i read on royals.com (or was it the star?) stated that he was going low and away so much that hitters were just sitting on that part of the strike zone.

by ams5661 on Aug 9, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Encouraging but concluding anything from a handful of games is silly

There was a post a couple weeks ago on Danny Duffy getting his four-game average walk rate down to 2.0 BB/9, but since then, it has ballooned back up near 5.0 BB/9.

by Gopherballs on Aug 9, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

That used 30 inning samples tho

A 10 inning sample is even less meaningful than a 30 inning sample. I still think Duffy’s true talent right now is right around 3 BB/9.

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is that 4 or 5 game samples are essentially meaningless
That used 30 inning samples tho
A 10 inning sample is even less meaningful than a 30 inning sample

No, you used the average from his previous 4 starts or “an average sample size of just over 21 innings.” Here is what you wrote:

Plotting each start on its own will show mostly random noise, so I chose to plot a moving average with each data point reflecting Duffy’s previous 4 starts up to that point. (The first data point shows Duffy’s BB/9 over his first 4 starts, the second data point shows starts 2 through 5, etc) This gives an average sample size of just over 21 innings per data point which isn’t a rock-solid indicator of future performance, but should be enough to show real changes in performance over time

Since then, Duffy has started 4 games and pitched 20.2 innings. His most recent 4 game average is 4.8 BB/9. That “should be enough to show real changes in performances over time,” right?

Kidding aside, 4 or 5 game samples sizes are just not going to provide much meaning. Duffy has thrown 72 innings in the majors, and his BB/9 is 4.46. Based on his minor league track record, it is reasonable to expect that number to come down, at least somewhat, but using 4 or 5 game samples to suggest a permanent change against a larger sample size is silly.

by Gopherballs on Aug 9, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected on the sample sizes

The graph would come back up to 4.8 at the most recent point then. I don’t see any problem with the method I used. It was a reasonable way to break down his 72 innings to show improvement. 30-40 innings would have produced a more stable plot, but there were only 72 innings to work with. I suspect if you do the same method with 40 inning samples at the end of the season, it will show a similar downward trend.

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the problem is the meaning you gave to that data and the graph that came from it. Yes, it showed a leveling off towards the end of the graph. But you concluded that this leveling off was Duffy hitting his true talent level. In reality, the “leveled off” part of the graph included just a handful of starts in which he gave up few walks. It was far too soon to say from such little data that Duffy had figured it out and that his control problems were behind him. And of course it has gone up since then.

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 9, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

I figured it would come back up. I didn’t think the 2 BB/9 was real. I just didn’t think the 4+ BB/9 was real either.

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kcdc1

Using the same methodology as before, what would the graph look like now?

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by Scott McKinney on Aug 9, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I sure hope Luke can keep it up

but if I remember correctly from a year or two ago, we were talking about how Davies had that torrid stretch to end the season. Don’t want to be too optimistic.

by ichirix on Aug 9, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

We don't contend in the Central,

next year, unless Luke leads the way in the rotation. So I hope the hell this is for real!

by Royalron on Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Little help here...

Anybody know of a website where you can manually enter a date range and see statistics from that time period. It would be nice if that site also had batted ball data.

by hawkinscm87 on Aug 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

you can set date limits for pitch f/x data on texasleaguers.com

It includes AB results as percentages, so it won’t be easy to find things like ERA

by kcdc1 on Aug 9, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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