A Royal Positive: 2011's Run Differential Improvement
At some point over the weekend I was emoto-tweeting and being negative and bitter about the Royals (shocker). Kevin Agee, who has been around the Royals-interwebs for awhile, and knows his stuff, tweeted back at me that the team's run differential was much better this season. I'd seen reference to this before, but I'd never gotten around to looking it up. Turns out, there is something there. Although the W-L record isn't really any better, I think fundamentally the 2011 Royals have been a better team. Not good yet, but better.
- 2011: 4.39 runs per game/ 4.80 runs allowed per game
- 2010: 4.17 runs per game/ 5.21 run allowed per game
As you can see, the Royal offense has been a tick better in 2011 and the Royal run prevention has been a tick and a half better. By pythag, the Royals should be 68-80, rather than 62-86, but really, I care more about the runs/runs allowed than the details at this point. If the Royals were playing for something, that underperformance would be critical, but looking ahead to 2012, the fundamentals are more important.
We've talked quite a bit about the offense this season, while generally overlooking the run prevention as typically bad. The improvement in the run prevention is probably due in some part to the improved team defense in 2011 (though this should be a post of its own). Other than that, the biggest change has been in the bullpen, which has been much much better.
| 2010 | 2011 | |
| SP ERA | 5.25 | 5.00 |
| RP ERA | 4.46 | 3.70 |
Again, those ERAs aren't gospel, because we've still got to account for defense and luck. Nevertheless, it seems highly likely that the bullpen is much better this season. And the starters, as bad as they have been, were probably even worse in 2010.
So the Royals are getting better. Are they setting themselves up for a great leap forward in 2012... we'll see.
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That picture deserves a caption contest.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
"Once again, I beg of you: please shave the Hitler mustache."
"Shot by my own men."
by StonewallPDS on Sep 12, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
'See, they all smell like fish."
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
by Jeff Zimmerman on Sep 12, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that went downhill quickly...
“Honey, you would look good in a porn-stache”
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
One second everyone say they know 2011 is the rookie tryout year.
The next second everyone bash them for not winning
what’s suppose to happen?
also, better differential even though payroll cheaper than 2010,
This is Progress!
I am probably the only Royals fan in Hong Kong?
by Yamfun Cheng Kamfun on Sep 12, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Very true
I have been baffled at the people this year that are all about playing the young guys, but expected them to all kick ass right away, and see a big improvement in the team’s record. I understand it’s probably just a select few. But those few need a reality check. That’s not the way it works. Rookies usually aren’t very good.
by Rufus R. Jones on Sep 12, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what DM has built and that’s a problem. The performance of some of these rookies is also at least a little worrisome.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really disappointed at Yamaico Navarro
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 12, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amazingly
positive and rational post. Is that you, Connor? What did you do with the real Will?
You really are not qualified to critique anyone’s rationality. It isn’t your strong suit.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sweet
of you to help out your drunken emo buddy. Shouldn’t you be plagiarizing some of Tom Tango’s work and trying to look important?
by Jim Fetterolf on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think either of you is bringing honor to yourselves in this exchange
Let it go
by KSinDC on Sep 12, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I have no interest in hiding my contempt for someone who criticizes from a place of willful ignorance.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't aware Jim was based in Topeka....!
I say we all lighten up around here. This is baseball.
"Shot by my own men."
by StonewallPDS on Sep 12, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this insult seems beneath you, Jim
"Shot by my own men."
by StonewallPDS on Sep 12, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Score one for Jim… swinging for the fences!
Plagiarism is a serious accusation. Back it up with evidence, or this crap should get deleted.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!
by KeepItCopacetic on Sep 12, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh, it's not worth deleting
I don’t even think he’s being serious. I frequently refer to the writings and research of Tom Tango on here (always explicitly giving him credit). I guess that’s what he’s calling “plagiarism.”
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Plagiarism on an internet bulletin board is not a serious accusation
Certainly not grounds for deleting a post.
by KSinDC on Sep 12, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's not a serious commenter
And that isn’t grounds for deleting his posts either.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
FA Signing
A guy who could provide some additional offensive pop, and shouldn’t be THAT expensive, is Ramon Hernandez. Have Sal Perez be his understudy and that is a solid catching tandem.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Sep 12, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
Another Mid-Thirties Catcher?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting idea but I dont think Moore wants sal to understudy.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 12, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You never know...
…I suspect GMDM values a catcher’s “veteran presence” pretty highly. Look at who he has acquired for that job since arriving in KC. Frankly, I’ll be happy if he just decides to trust Perez and focuses his attention on other aspects of the roster.
GMDM
got retreads because he lacked quality in-house. Things have changed.
by Jim Fetterolf on Sep 12, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That's one theory.
I hope you’re right.
But I have trouble believing that GMDM signed Olivo because he “lacked quality in-house.” While Olivo and Buck were on the roster together, they were basically the same player in terms of value… but Olivo was a couple of years older and had five more years in the majors.
Then, the next to acquisitions at the position were Jason Kendall and Matt Treanor. While not stellar options, bot Peña and Piña were available as “in-house” candidates, and I just don’t believe that they would have been serious downgrades from what we actually got over the last two years. Frankly, in order to make sense of GMDM’s collective signings at catcher, you basically have to accept that gritty veteran leadership behind the plate is a very, very important trait.
It does appear that Perez is being given a genuine shot at the job now, however. So, I do hope, as you suggest, that “things have changed,” but you’ll have to excuse me if remain a bit skeptical for now.
As you can see, the Royal offense has been a tick better in 2011 and the Royal run prevention has been a tick and a half better.
Considering the run environment, it might be fair to say that the improvement has been equally distributed between both halves of the inning. In 2010, the Royals put up 0.21 fewer runs than the MLB average per game, compared to putting up 0.12 more per game than average. That’s an improvement of 0.33 runs per game.
In 2010, the Royals allowed 0.83 more runs per game than MLB average, and this year, are allowing 0.53 more than the average Major League team. That’s an improvement of 0.30 runs per game.
On the other hand, it is worth noting that the run environment change in the AL has not been nearly so dramatic as in the NL. So, if you did this same calculation using AL averages instead of MLB averages, I doubt my point holds up so well…
by kcemigre on Sep 12, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
…using AL numbers as a baseline, it comes out like this:
Run Scoring improvement (expressed as the differential between the Royals and AL average) from 2010 to 2011:
0.25 runs per game better.
Run Prevention improvement (expressed the same way):
0.38 runs per game better.
So it’s not a level improvement on both sides of the ledger anymore, although the run environment does seem relevant to the conversation to the extent that the pitching/defense improvement looks slightly exaggerated if you don’t consider it… and vice-versa for the offense.
Every time you post this stuff
It baffles me. The Royals seem so much better this year than last. I think the problem is that I’m mistaking “more fun to watch” with “improved.” Last year just sucked so bad. This year sucks too, apparently, but there’s more entertainment value in the form of young stuff.
by LaFLamme on Sep 12, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
One thing I've noticed
A lot of losses are games that could have been won. In past seasons that wasn’t the case.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Sep 12, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I also find it more fun to root for young players who might represent the future
rather than getting angry at a retread who has no role to play in the team’s future.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
And It Is
Reasonable to expect them to improve.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't reasonable for me to expect Ross Gload to improve?
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 12, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's raking in Philly
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by philofthenorth on Sep 12, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't get better than perfect
(which is actually sort of true for Kendall now, in the sense that “not able to play” is the highest value he can offer.)
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's nice watching guys that should be fun to watch in the future.
Plus, there have been things the Royals have really done well this year: Our outfield has been throwing guys out everywhere, and we’re number two in the majors in both doubles and stolen bases.
We need a post
Suggesting we sign/trade for a frontline starter or two. Has this topic been explored yet?
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 12, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
jack marsh seems like he'd be up for the task
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Sep 12, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd be up for it (I find talking about that incredibly interesting), but I now realize that you guys really don't freaking care, and you've heard it before.
If the topic comes up, I’ll talk about it, but I’m done posting about how we need a frontline starter. It’s through your heads.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
by Jack Marsh on Sep 12, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=19053291
Hilarious
Those were the good ole days... wait I wasn't alive then
111 runs better than last year
that is massive improvement and as Bill James will tell ya, run diff is the best way to gauge a team and in our case, improvement
Bill James also thinks that Felix Hernandez should have won the Cy Young in 2009
Smart guy, but I wouldn’t follow him off of a cliff
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 12, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously...
Bill James is SO 1993. Thanks so much for putting him in his place. Great work.
by billexgordler on Sep 12, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue isn't James
it’s misusing Pythag
But yeah, sorry for the snark. I know how much you HATE that. As you can see, that’s all I’ve got.
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 12, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
although I am probably being unfair to James
While he did come up (as far as I know) with the Pythagorean expectation, I’m not sure if he ever made the (false) claim that it is the “best way to gauge a team.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 12, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
from NYT times article from Aug 20
James found that this estimator was a better predictor of future win-loss percentage than a team’s actual win-loss percentage.
In essence, run differential tells us more about a team’s quality than its win-loss percentage.
I don't think anyone disagrees whether it's better
The disagreement is over whether it’s the best
"Putting him in his place"????
Really? Is that what Matt did? Boy he really smacked James down with that “wouldn’t follow him off a cliff” remark! Sometimes even Bill James is worthy of criticism (and I don’t even know if the above counts as criticism). And, for the record, James’s work really isn’t at the forefront of sabermetric thought (at least whatever he puts out publicly).
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 13, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
run differential might be a better gauge of how the team played than won-loss record
but in terms of judging a team’s improvement/decline or likely future performance, it suffers from the same problem that won-loss record does: it only reflects observed performance rather than true talent.
That isn’t to say that the Royals team isn’t better this season than last, or that the future isn’t brighter than it has beenin a while. The point is simply that run differential doesn’t necessarily reflect that.
Let’s look at a random team’s “expected” win% according PythagenPat (like Pythag, but is more accurate because it adjusts for the team’s individual run environment) over five consecutive seasons:
.454
.442
.403
.395
.457
Now, if we took those “expected” win percentages a reflections of how, um, “good” the team really was and its trajectory, we’d say that a crappy team for two seasons had two absolute disaster seasons, followed by getting back to its initial level of crappiness. Yawn.
Who is this “random” team? the Royals 2007-2011 (in order above). So if you want to use run differential (understood through Pythag) as barometer for the “state of the team,” you’d have to say that the Royals are basically back where they were for Dayton’s first full season.
I don’t happen to think that’s the case, but looking to run differential isn’t really going to give you hope or faith. The better thing to do is to look at estimations of the team’s true talent now and going forward and stuff. Run differential/Pythag is better applied in other ways.
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Looking past mere wins and losses is good. But if you want to project to the future, you have to look beyond mere run differentials for the current season. James understands this fairly elementary and uncontroversial point. In the above article he was merely making the very simple point that run differentials are more telling than actual wins and losses. Matt’s analysis makes the deeper point here, and James would agree with all of it.
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