Baseball Prospectus 1996 on the Kansas City Royals
The folks at Baseball Prospectus put the 1996 Annual online yesterday, which is an absolute trip to read. The snarky comments are there, the confident assertions, the usual mix of hits and misses present in any sports journal of the type. In terms of the sabermetric slant, the 1996 Annual has the emphasis on OBP (though still being occasionally called OBA in those days) for hitters and strikeouts for pitchers that still dominates. Park factors are also discussed, along with aging curves, and the details of roster management. As we still see today, there is a tension between tools and stats guys, and what to do exactly with their minor league resumes.
The mid-1990s were an ugly time for the game, and the 1994 strike lingered. For the better part of the next decade, a number of small-market teams essentially stopped trying, and frustration at this fact, even though the Indians had proven defeatism was unnecessary, permeates. John Hart's now blindingly obvious gambit of signing young players to long-term deals was the hot new idea, though one that many couldn't accept. And of course, these were truly the bad old days in terms of front office composition. There's really no comparison between how teams are run now and what was considered normal in 1996. In a way, this makes things much more boring.
Just because Monday was Mariano Rivera day, here's his player comment, weighted as it is with both doubts and portents of greatness:
Skinny swingman who has good control of the corners of the strike zone. His K rate seemed to jump up a little as of late, and if that's development rather than a fluke, this kid could really be something special. Looks way too skinny to be durable, but you never know.
The Royals chapter (presumably written by a very young Rany) paints the organization as one on the rebound, headed for, well, something better, thanks to a raft of good players.The narrative thrust of the chapter is one that could have been written again in 1999 or 2008. See if this sounds familiar:
But somewhere along the way the Royals came up with the novel idea of building up their farm system, which was ranked last by Baseball America after the 1991 season, and funnelling money and time into scouting, signing, and developing players. It was a plan that required patience, a trait the Royals had shown little of in recent years, but faced with an alternative of continued mediocrity, the Royals embraced it. And in 1992 the Royals accomplished a draft coup, landing Michael Tucker, Jim Pittsley, and Johnny Damon, top prospects all, with their first three picks. The Royals, always good at developing young pitchers, started delivering them by the truckload. And led by a newly aggressive scouting plan in Latin America, the Royals even found themselves a number of good young hitters. The result of all this was apparent last year, when Baseball America named the Royals their Organization of the Year.
The star of the chapter is Johnny Damon, who BP called, "clearly the best hitter the Royals have developed since George Brett" and "another Kenny Lofton, but with a higher upside" (which essentially is what happened). Mike Sweeney is also given his due, and there's also excitement for position players like Joe Randa and Jose Offerman. Bob Boone is lauded as a great manager.
I'm sure at some level I remembered that Michael Tucker was once considered a top prospect, but I had no idea anyone ever had any juice at all for Joe Vitiello. (Here is my "Honoring Joe Vitiello" post from 2007.)
The pitching was less exciting. There was Appier of course, and Gubicza was still around, though not a tremendous asset. The following sentence is patently chilling if you're a prospect hound:
The Royals have a smorgasbord of candidates for the other three spots, but none of them are very appetizing. Chris Haney, Jason Jacome, Dilson Torres, and Mel Bunch are probably the most likely candidates to start, and if phenom Jim Pittsley is fully recovered from elbow surgery, he could have a job by mid-season.
Did they work out?
Haney? No. Jacome? No. Torres? No. Bunch? No. Pittsley? No.
And in the end, that has been the story of the last fifteen years. Although the Royals have developed one Ace starter (Greinke) and a handful of relievers, they have been shockingly horrible at producing even #3, #4 or #5 starters with the farm system. A lack of pitching made an impressive stretch of position player development irrelevant.
Here in 2011, we wake up in the same predicament. Hosmer looks precocious and polished and powerful and everyone loves him. There's also excitement for Moose, as well as lower-tier position players. And again, there's a grab bag of like 15 names of pitchers who could develop. Or not.
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wow thats some classic shit
good find and read
by Kansas City Keith on Sep 19, 2011 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Definitely fun to read.
Also scarier than hell. BA’s “organization of the year”??? That sounds a bit familiar.
by Black and Gold on Sep 19, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What could go wrong?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 19, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Even Dayton Moore couldn't screw this up!
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If only we had the likes of Jason Jacome and
Dilson Torres in the pipeline.
by Black and Gold on Sep 20, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we do
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 20, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there is any "maybe" about it
SOS = Jim Pittsley?
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
That would be nice, but PIttsley was a top prospect, unlike SOS.
Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-1993: Rated #32 Prospect
Pre-1994: Rated #82 Prospect
Pre-1995: Rated #39 Prospect
Pre-1996: Rated #24 Prospect
Pre-1997: Rated #56 Prospect
Monty or Duffy or Odorizzi could end up being a Pittsley.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 20, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The ugly truth is that most top pitching prospects end up being a Pittsley.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 20, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
pittsley is an extreme case towards the negative
most top 100 or top 25 in pittsleys case prospects dont have a negative career war
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 20, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
most top 100 or top 25 in pittsleys case prospects dont have a negative career war
Is that true?
I would guess that most do, if you include guys that never reach the big leagues.
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Most of the top rated prospects post positive WAR...
…but that’s hardly surprising when you consider the meaning of “replacement level.” At any given moment, most of the ballplayers in the league are posting a positive WAR.
But plenty also tank, including top ranked prospects… even if you look only at the top 25.
Karim Garcia was ranked 17 spots ahead of Pittsley in 1996, and posted a career WAR of -3.5.
Scott Ruffcorn, a year earlier, had been ranked as the #23 BA prospect, and posted a career WAR of -0.9.
The year after Pittsley was #24, Chad Hermansen was ranked #21, but posted a career WAR of -2.3.
While most of the elite prospects post positive WAR over the long-term, there are also plenty of highly-touted prospects who wind up getting more than their fair share of opportunity to prove that they aren’t very good. Viewed in that light, Pittsley’s -0.1 doesn’t seem so miserable… heck, he almost broke even.
I think you're splitting hairs
Most fail, by any standard. Most don’t even become decent MLB relievers.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 20, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Over the course of a 225-inning career, Pittsley was a roughly replacement-level pitcher.
That is less value that you would expect from one of the top 25 prospects in the country, but it is also not an “extreme case” by any stretch.
Looking just at the 1996 class, I wouldn’t say there’s much real difference between Pittsley and Rocky Coppinger (ranked #19 in 1996), who went on to pitch 164 innings for the Orioles, amassing a career WAR of 0.3.
Coppinger, like Pittsley, didn’t pan out, and the difference of less than 1/2 of a win spread over three seasons really doesn’t change that fact.
Fascinating
I liked the blurb on Ozzie Guillen: "Truly an amazing player. He says he doesn’t hit for power because nobody throws him strikes, but he doesn’t walk because everyone throws him strikes. Given that his career high in walks drawn is 22, I’m not surprised he doesn’t know what’s happening when he’s batting. To top it off, Ozzie’s a notorious whiner on ball-strike calls, despite never showing he knows the difference between the two. He supposed to be a “character,” but if character involves shoving passing baserunners or consistently slapping players in the face with the phantom tag, I think the game needs less character. "
The star of the chapter is Johnny Damon, who BP called, “clearly the best hitter the Royals have developed since George Brett” and “another Kenny Lofton, but with a higher upside” (which essentially is what happened).
the same kenny lofton who has 50% more career WAR and 6 5+ win seasons to damon’s 0?
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 20, 2011 3:47 AM EDT reply actions
yeah, it's going to be "fun"
when Damon gets more Hall support than Lofton, who really should get in (no chance, sadly)
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 20, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I Was Surprised
At how impressive Lofton’s oeuvre is. He might have been a good bench guy in the NBA, too.
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by philofthenorth on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
he was one of my favorite players growing up...hell of a lot of fun to watch...
he’s kinda the reason that i wanted dyson to play CF this year. I know that there’s zero shot dyson turns into lofton at the plate, but defensively and on the bases…
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He Had Surprising
Power. Dyson is nowhere near Lofton’s level. Scoring on a popup to SS, however……..priceless.
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by philofthenorth on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
The same thing happened five years ago. The pitching gems we had in the minors – Jimmy Gobble, Chris George, Jeff Austin, Orber Moreno, Mike MacDougal and Colt Griffin – we expected to help our offense (which was actually loaded with Beltran, Damon, Dye, Sweeney, Ibanez and Randa).
Yea, that didn’t happen.
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"Five years ago"
Should be “five years later” in 2000-2002.
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Wow
I completely forgot Harold Reynolds was in spring training for us. Lots of crummy names in there. I had no idea we acquired Mike Remlinger in a 3 team trade. Apparently we waived him before opening day, and he went on to have a fairly decent career for a decade as a lefty reliever.
Jim Pittsley:
The best Royals’ pitching prospect of the decade. After becoming one of the youngest players ever to debut with the Royals, Pittsley tore a ligament in his elbow in his first start back in AAA. The organization held its breath for a few months before it was found that the injury was reparable without resorting to Tommy John-style surgery. Pittsley isn’t expected to be back until May, but he should be at 100%, and Pittsley at 100% is a terrific pitcher. He was the first high school pitcher drafted in 1992, and has all the tools to succeed: three great pitches and incredible control for a pitcher with his age and height (6’7"). A keeper.
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I Know Odds
Are entirely independent, but you’d think we’d have to hit on some of these prospects. The fact that we’ve failed so often makes me a little optimistic about the current crop. It’s not rational.
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by philofthenorth on Sep 20, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
GUESS THIS BRAVES PROSPECT
One of the biggest sleepers in the organization. He’s probably the Braves’ best left-handed prospect – he’s a lot more polished than Terrell Wade – and if he can claim the fifth starter spot this year, he could surprise a lot of people.
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by RoyalsRetro on Sep 20, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
how did we manage to pick him up?
front office strategery
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
Sounds Like Chen
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by philofthenorth on Sep 20, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a good thing Tom Goodwin was drafted when he was
If he were leaving school today, Moore would take him in the second round. (Or trade someone like Everett Teaford or Louis Coleman for him).
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