#Royals trade 1B Kila Ka'aihue to Oakland for minor-league pitcher. Ka'aihue designated for assignment last week.
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Update: The Royals acquire Ethan Hollandsworth, who put up a 6.3 K/9 in 94 2/3 innings/16 innings in Midland, Texas. So essentially we get a guy with the superpowers to survive as a pitcher in Midland to pitch in the PCL for a hitter who we were just going to release anyways.
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who'd we get back?
Mulder? Hudson? Zito?
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
Raley Field is 325 to right
he should be fine there.
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by BHWick on Sep 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
blurb from Christina Kahrl
if I’m reading this right, Hollingsworth was in the Rockies org until Jan…spent this year with Oak:
Roster pressures force ticky-tack trades like this often enough, but Hollingsworth is a third-year pro, so as a matter of getting a swapped-in body for Mortensen as the price of losing the latter because of a full-to-the-brim 40-man, it’s a benefit that will last the A’s a single season of Hollingsworth before he has to be added or exposed to the Rule 5 draft. Happily, while he wasn’t close to the top of the Rockies’ pitching-thick prospect pool, he’s a useful enough arm. A fourth-rounder in 2008 out of Western Michigan, he’s heading into his age-24 season and will have to pitch or die at Double-A. Like Mortensen, he has good breaking stuff, and like Mortensen, he’s not an especially hard-throwing right-hander. Repeating High-A, he generated a nice-looking 153/34 K/UBB ratio in 160 1/3 IP, but counting unearned runs, he was surrendering 5.2 R/9 in the hitter-friendly Cal League. He may only wind up as an organizational innings-eater, but something’s better than nothing.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 27, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Hollingsworth
(As you typed, there’s an accidental wrong name in the fanshot) looked ok in AA (he didn’t “die” in the “pitch-or-die” ultimatum). And by OK, I mean he had a K/BB ratio of 2.9, which is good-not-great; his other peripherals seem borderline. Statcorner saw his tRA+ in AA for 2011 as slightly above league average, 103.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
With Hollingsworth's declining K rate
I can see why the Royals were interested.
by thelaundry on Sep 27, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Does this mean Clint Robinson finds a cup of coffee in KC sometime next year?
not that I think he’s got a MLB future….but if the FO can fuck Cain in the arse to make Melky feel good, why can’t they give C ROB a pat on the back by letting him play a few meaningless game the last week of the season?
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 27, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
If he doesn't have another hernia in Sept 2012, sure
but Hollingsworth has a better shot to get more ML playing time in 2012 than Kila. There’s always flux in the rotation, and if Hollingsworth’s AAA line is like his AA pitching, then he has a shot of getting some late season starts
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by KeepItCopacetic on Sep 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
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I'll miss the Kila Monster...
I never felt like he got the opportunity to succeed like he should have (and others in the system did… cough Davies cough). Hopefully he makes it back to the majors for another team.
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Workaholics is awesome
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Sep 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I only watch DVR and sports
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no Colbert?
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't start back up until October though, right?
I’m curious where they’ll take this season. Didn’t like how they left off at midseason.
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by Royals Medic on Sep 27, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
October 5th, yeah
They took time off for Book of Mormon and to get a break after a very busy year.
It was kind of clear that they were getting tired and worn out from the Broadway Process, and it started to bleed into some of their episodes.
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I did give Workaholics a shot
But it wasn’t funny or clever enough for me. I agree P&R and 30 Rock are definitely dvr worthy. So far the new network shows have been sub-meh. And maybe I’m getting old and cranky but Family Guy is starting to lose me.
by thelaundry on Sep 27, 2011 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sickels has Hollingsworth as "other" for the Rockies pre-2011, which I think means the grade would have been C or C- (he didn't grade the "others", only the Top 20)
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
Andy Seiler note, after the 2008 draft:
Ethan Hollingsworth, RHP, Western Michigan, #137 overall: Hollingsworth was expected to go a round earlier as a pitchability college starter. He had little upside, but had a good slider with a decent pitch mix.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 27, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
How will the Kila haters handle this one?
Obviously, Kila is a pile of useless garbage, but all prospects acquired by D-Moore are awesome unicorns blessed by his gnostic scouting wisdom… so…
eh
Hollingsworth could be a younger Luis Mendoza at best. But then again, trading for Kila seems like a silly move on Beane’s part. If Beane wasn’t in the A’s ownership, would he still have a job?
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by BHWick on Sep 27, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it that trading crap for Kila was such a silly move?
Yeah, he’d still have a job. And I think he could have some other GM jobs if he wanted them.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 27, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
its not silly on beane's part at all...
and i dont think it’s a bad move for moore. oakland probably will be able to give him an opportunity to play…that just isnt happening here with butler and hosmer and robinson has probably passed him on the first opportunity in case someone gets hurt scenario…and kila had to be on the major league roster, etc
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 27, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
why give up anything for a guy who'll be out of the KC org within 6 months?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
So who was worth more to Oakland?
Kila or DDJ?
I feel like the Royals might have gotten a better deal on Kila.
I’ve made peace with him not getting a chance seeing as how it’s pointless now with Hosmer/Butler, but I still get pissy when I think about Jacobs.
Also, I’m waiting for the inevitable Gordon trade for a couple magic beans. Or the “go for it” trade of 3-4 prospects for a mediocre veteran on the wrong side of 30.
Oakland gave up an actual ML level guy for DeJesus
now, we probably got more for Kila than Betemit
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by cmkeller on Sep 27, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who was the actual ML level guy the Royals got for DeJesus
Don’t say Mazzaro.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 27, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
35 starts with the A's at 22/23
pitched better than guys like Luke Hochevar over that time (such as in ERA+)
if he put up a 90 ERA+ in 2009/2010 with the Royals, he would have been cemented into the rotation..
Mazzaro had played in the majors. Hollingsworth might play in the majors.
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"had played in the majors" I'll give that to you
Lots of guys play in the majors. Some of them are truly awful. Despite the small sample of data you gave above, Mazzaro was pretty bad. He hadn’t pitched particularly well in the minors. He wasn’t a good prospect. He didn’t impress in the majors in his first season. He looked to be a meh pitcher at best, and he hasn’t hit that ceiling yet, performing predictably poorly this year (in the majors and AAA).
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW sickels listed him as a B- going into 2009...
so he was a pretty decent prospect at one point
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Three years later, I don’t think anyone thinks he’s a pretty decent prospect anymore.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
werent you the one who wrote about 50k awesome words about most prospects failing...
that doesnt mean that they werent prospects. so, mazzaro was one of the majority of prospects that fail…doesnt mean he wasnt a good prospect…and its not as if DDJ had a ton of value
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure what you're saying here
He wasn’t a good prospect. I think the majority sentiment on him was never very high, Sickels notwithstanding. His minor league performance was genuinely unimpressive. They kept projecting his secondary pitches and control to come around. It never did. Moore got very little for DDJ. Now, we don’t need to revisit the debate on whether Moore should have gotten more for DDJ. And I wasn’t debating that in the thread above. I simply responded to the “Oakland gave up an actual ML level guy for DeJesus” comment. That ML level guy was a piece of crap who happened to have a little time in the majors. That was my only point.;
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
he's saying that some prospects don't pan out
which you say quite often. the fact that mazzaro didn’t pan out doesn’t mean the terrible things you are suggesting. it just means that he’s likely one of the many that didn’t pan out.
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Sep 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
There was no reason to believe he was any good when the Royals acquired him
The stats weren’t good when they acquired him. Scouts didn’t love him when they acquired him. He didn’t look good at the time. It’s not like he was a very talented pitcher who just didn’t happen to pan out. He was a low ceiling SP who might pan out as a decent #5 SP, but probably wouldn’t. And then he didn’t.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i think this deal is good
Kila clearly only had AAA level talent, picking up an arm with a bit us upside is a good deal.
That's still not completely clear to me,
but it is clear that he’s not in the org’s future plans, so..
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by KeepItCopacetic on Sep 27, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That was gold
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Sep 27, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Good trade for both teams
Kila was hopelessly blocked in KC and Oakland can’t seem to find a 1st baseman that can hit. No downside here for either club.
The "boy Dayton really got over on Beane on this one" theme in this fanshot is laughable
I’m sorry, but it’s just plain silly.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 12:44 AM EDT reply actions
i dont think most people think that...
most people, rightfully in my mind, think dayton did pretty well to get anything for a guy who he had to release…remember the awful TPJ trade that you thought was a good trade…this is the same thing…only reversed
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not hard to get organizational filler for a DFA’d player. I don’t think most people think Dayton won big over Beane here. Mostly I think that’s just BHWick’s odd spin on the trade (I think he hates Beane in general for some odd reason).
And of course, he didn’t have to release Kila. He likely would have had to let him go by Opening Day next year, but not necessarily, especially if there was an injury to Butler or Hosmer. And unless every list I’ve seen is missing some big names, the possible additions to the 40-man this offseason wouldn’t have necessitated DFA’ing Kila.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
so you want to keep kila as a bat off the bench?
b/c he’s out of options…and i think its pretty clear that clint has passed kila at this point….i mean, lets get serious…kila was a league average hitter at AAA this year at 27 years old. clint is fine as hosmer/butler insurance…and he has options left unlike kila. if clint had been traded for something like this…that wouldve been dumb
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Kila would be third on my 1B/DH depth chart
I’d rather play Kila than Clint. My point is that I don’t dump Kila until I really need to. And there’s no need right now.
I can understand others preferring Clint. I disagree.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
why would you have him above clint?
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
my reasoning for clint is that they have similar performances over the past few years at similar levels...
at similar ages…similar unimpressive scouting reports…and i’ve seen kila be awful…my amateur eye says that kila will never be a good major league hitters simply b/c he has to gear up for fastballs so much that he gets destroyed on breaking pitches…thats what i saw
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That's fine
I’ve been a little more impressed with Kila’s stats in the high minors, and from what I’ve read, he’s more able to handle 1B defensively. And I think his plate discipline and approach probably has a better chance of eventually working out in the majors than Clint’s.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
you dont think that kila has more trade value now than he would on march 28th or so?
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Higher now, but I think the difference is negligible
The Royals would get crap for him either way.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
so, you dont think this is a bad move...you're just not excited about it in any way?
or am i reading you wrong?
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 28, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the trade itself is fine
Once you’ve DFA’d the player, get what you can get. And this is what they could get. I have a problem with the DFA. But I don’t think the DFA was a huge blunder. My problem with the DFA, like a lot of Moore and Yost’s little mistakes, is more that they are tiny symptoms of a larger problem. In this case, the problem is that they rely too much on tools for their evaluation of players and too little on actual performance record. They gave up on Kila pretty quickly because his poor performance in a pretty small number of AB’s because that small bit of data confirmed their tools-based conclusions on him, which were made years ago.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
what are you looking for?
he had 325+ at bats of sucking, one great year in the minors, and a scouting report that is less than desirable. our best hitter (butler) plays the same position (albeit less adeptly) and our top prospect plays there too. in what world would you be satisfied with how this was handled? what actual, tangible, possible sequence of events would satisfy you?
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Sep 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
At what point?
There are lots of things they could and should have done with Kila in prior years. If you’re asking me what I think should have been done two weeks ago, I would have said DFA Chavez and not Kila. I’d be willing to trade Kila in the offseason (probably in a package with others), but he’s not going to bring back much in a 1-for-1 trade. The value is low. I’d keep him through Spring Training (again always willing to trade him) and then make what is probably the final decision on the weekend before Opening Day. If Butler or Hosmer is on the DL, then he makes the 25-man roster. If not, then they’d have to DFA him. I see no reason to DFA him now, forcing a DFA-quality trade (which of course is worse than any trade he could be win when not DFA’d), rather than fielding trade offers over the offseason and having him as a Butler/Hosmer backup if either is on the DL on Opening Day.
Oh, and for the record he had something like 285 AB’s of sucking. And that much data doesn’t prove anything about any hitter. If it did, then it would be time for us to DFA Moustakas.
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
283 ABs, 326 PAs for Kila (not that anyone besides me really cares)
24, 206, and 96 in three seasons.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and if people want to cite "325+ at bats of sucking"
(87 OPS+), then I’ll cite the stat in my sig line: they are equally relevant.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 28, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, small samples of statistical data aren't really meaningful
(Unless we’re talking about Moustakas (in September only) or Perez (in the majors only).
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The main reason they gave up on Ka'aihue
Was that Hosmer was tearing up AAA, then had a solid rookie season in KC. Hosmer’s KC numbers in 2011 were better than Ka’aihue’s Omaha numbers.
Thank god we called Hosmer up this year
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
When it comes to Royals deals with Billy Beane
I’ll insist it’s progress to deal a guy who is no solid bet to play more than a month in Oakland for a guy who has a shot of winding up in KC (considering the trackrecord of the greatest pitching prospects ever struggling to move up the ladder and the scenarios for the 2012 rotation, a AAA-level guy like Hollingsworth has a shot of pitching a few starts in KC in 2012).
Hollingsworth has a good shot of spending more time on an MLB roster in 2012 than Kila Ka’aihue.
And turning criticism into “hatred” is just laughable. When it comes to Billy Beane’s Oakland A’s, the record speaks for itself, the team hasn’t topped .500 since 2006 and has drifted between 72 and 81 wins over that time. If Beane wasn’t a minority owner of the A’s, he would be at risk of losing his job with his recent performance.
Another thing, when you take into account recent history and the future, Dayton Moore is a better GM than Billy Beane right now.
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Hollingsworth has a good shot of spending more time on an MLB roster in 2012 than Kila Ka’aihue.
The fact that Hollingsworth might make it to KC isn’t necessarily a good thing. In fact, I don’t think it is even likely a good thing. If he makes it to KC, he might end up having a lower WAR with the Royals next year than Kila will (negative numbers being less than zero).
Another thing, when you take into account recent history and the future, Dayton Moore is a better GM than Billy Beane right now.
How should we “take into account” the future for the Royals? Think the Royals are a lock for lots of winning seasons and at least a few playoff appearances? Hey, relying on prospects and a poor record of bringing in quality major league talent…what could go wrong?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, I'm confused
You’re saying that Moore is a better GM than Beane, in part because of the Royals shiny future. Aren’t you the same person who said that the Royals #1 farm system was just the product of “relentless hype”? And throughout the season, didn’t you point out that the poor performances of some prospects proved that the organizational ranking was just hype? And didn’t you further say that even if the Royals had great prospects, it was meaningless because Moore was too awful of a GM to ever be able to actually build a good MLB team around those prospects? Did a good September for the Royals completely change your mind about….everything?
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by Scott McKinney on Sep 28, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
wow. Just wow
Beane sucks now? From Beane taking over in 1998 through 2006, the As had a better winning percentage than any team in baseball other than the Dynasty Yankees and the Turner-era Braves. By RUn differential, the Red Sox were also better. The As had a fraction of the budget of any of those teams.
[By the way, the 1997 As won 65 games, they weren’t already pretty good.]
He should be fired? Dan O’Dowd took over the Rockies prior to the 2000 season. They stumbled around for a long time, but despite his inefficiencies, they’re a pretty good organization. He could have been fired many time over for Helton, Neagle, Hampton, etc.
From 2000 to present the Rockies have been a .475 team. The As have been a .538 team. And more than half of those years have been the As bad years.
Maybe I’m cherry picking by including Beane’s best seasons. From 2007 to present, when the As haven’t made the playoffs, the As have been pretty bad, a .470 team with a minus 62 run differential.
Dayton Moore’s Royals during that period? A .429 team with a minus 518 run differential.
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