Which Royals Will Be Quoted in the Inevitable "Players Remember 9/11" Story/Stories?
by Freneau on Sep 9, 2011 10:11 AM EDT
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PrintSo when someone writes the Royals Remember 9/11 story this weekend, which Royals will be quoted? Obviously, we can expect a quote from someone in management/ownership, but there will likely be a player added in as well.
Mike Aviles is from New York, but he's a Red Sox now. Hmm... Well, I'd love to hear Eric Hosmer's thoughts. He was 10 or something and in Florida. Let's just start the urban legend he was in that classroom President Bush was visiting.
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9/11 was Moustakas' 13th birthday
He grew up a lot that day.
by 9il on Sep 9, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
missed the obvious answer
Jason Kendall. Indeed, I would expect the Royals to have a joint ceremony once they are home o commemorate both the lives lost on 9/11 and the loss of Kendall’s mentoring due to his injury.
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 9, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
don't you believe for a minute that Jason is done mentoring
as long as there is BudLite, he will be mentoring.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
having a little trouble understanding
why remembering 9/11 is inevitable, and if so, why is that post-worthy?
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
you dont think that every major event will/should have some sort of remembrance of 9/11?
thats an odd thought
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
of course i do
i’m wondering why it is called “inevitable”, like it’s something bad that we have to suffer through, and why the fact that MLB is doing something that it should be doing is worth posting about?
this just in, every MLB team tonight will “inevitably, in a show of our true imperialism, will display the AMERICAN FLAG! and sing the NATIONAL ANTHEM!”
also, Jeff Francouer is on the Royals and we should continue to comment about it.
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you don't get at least a little tired of the faux patriotism?
You can call me Aaron Burr by the way I'm dropping Hamiltons!
faux according to whom?
and no, sorry, to me patriotism never gets old.
america isn’t perfect, but it’s where i’m from, and it’s the best that we’ve got…honestly not being snarky, but those who constantly complain (and don’t do a thing to change it or make it better) should go to another country…it’s really not that difficult.
those of us that believe in what america stands for, even with all of our flaws, will stay behind and move forward.
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i think some people are over the top with their patriotism....
there are extremists in every group…and extreme is rarely good. i dont give a shit about politics but 9/11 was some bullshit and people needed to pay…and luckily, we had tons of people who have more balls than me willing to go to war…im all for remembering them…and remembering the guys who died trying to save other people’s lives that day…do it up big every year and id be fine with that…
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree 100%
think i like glenn beck, rush limbaugh or joe scarborough? i don’t, i can’t stand them (or more accurately, what they represent-i think they are nothing more than entertainers and you really can’t take anything that they say seriously).
but the average joe? i doubt that it’s faux patriotism coming from them…it certainly isn’t for me.
i think it’s a lot like religion…believing in god or a religion isn’t the problem, it’s the people who pervert it’s meaning to fit their aims
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think some people are over the top with their patriotism....
there are extremists in every group…and extreme is rarely good. i dont give a shit about politics but 9/11 was some bullshit and people needed to pay…and luckily, we had tons of people who have more balls than me willing to go to war…im all for remembering them…and remembering the guys who died trying to save other people’s lives that day…do it up big every year and id be fine with that…
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
go to another country... WHAT?
Do you not think that patriotism is a sort of brand that sports uses to help endear itself to viewers? I am not talking about patriotism in general, I mean specifically in sports. It’s marketing, and it’s tagets are people like you that just love it. And for that matter how can you go to the polar opposite and and think that since I don’t like songs at every game that I don’t love America and what it stands for? Honestly how dare you suggest that I don’t believe in what America stands for. Loving songs IS NOT a measure of patriotism, neither are flag pins or bumper stickers on cars, like patriotism is some sort of point system.
You can call me Aaron Burr by the way I'm dropping Hamiltons!
that had nothing to do with anything that he said...
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
Patriotism is a marketing tool for sports teams? I don’t think that’s accurate at all…you said yourself you love america and what it stands for…is that not patriotism?
I think we probably agree…instead of singing a bunch of songs and putting bumper stickers on our cars, we need to be living/acting what it really means to be an american…i couldn’t agree more with that sentiment…that’s what my point was about people who just complain about our problems and don’t do anything about them.
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think its cynical to assume many brands use "patriotism" to sell their product
having the air force do flyovers before Husker football games, the US Flag digitally implanted into the empty lot where Brett Favre is playing a friendly game of saturday afternoon touch football with his pals/slinging Wrangler jeans, to the NFL branding themselves in the memory of 9/11 etc….its about as tacky as a thong made out of the American flag. What does it mean to be an American? What would you suggest we do about our problems? What are our problems? Perhaps providing negative feedback on the ever increasing mix of patriotism and sports is “doing something” about a problem. I don’t see anything wrong with remembering 9/11. Why it has to be viewed thru the lens of sports is beyond me tho.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 9, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i don't know what we need to do
i wish i did…three things that we need to address in my opinion:
1. rampant consumerism
2. financial literacy
3. obesity/health
we take our way of life and good fortune for granted…how do we fix these, when we live under a capitalist system that encourages consumption? it’s going to take a cultural change, which means changing habits and social norms…the government can’t fix it.
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
we have common ground here....
I would argue that the Gov can certainly address all of these issues. More consumer protection could certainly address item 2, maybe item 1 to some extent. I think because of Gov involvement, you now have healthier choices everywhere from McDonald’s to your kids lunchroom that wouldn’t have happened otherwise. I think all of these issues should and could be addressed on both a personal, and nation wide (Gov)level. I don’t buy the argument that the Gov can’t solve anything. Gov solves problems all the time.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 9, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it starts with people, though
i don’t think the government can legislate these things necessarily…i think it takes people working in the community, passionate people that can change opinions and open people’s eyes to different points of view.
i grudgingly agree that the government can play an active role in policing some activities, in order to make the economic system function more efficiently (consumer safety, for example). in many cases, i think that we have the proper rules and regulations in place, but they are either ignored or perverted to suit specific aims.
i wonder how different things would be if advertising were not such an insidious force in our society, but how to change it?
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Advertising is insidious. . . . .
interesting article in NY Times about big companies (Target for example) working kind of hand in hand with Universities, viral marketing, hiring student “brand ambassadors,” etc.etc.etc… in a way, you’d think the interwebs would make adv less pernicious, but it might have opposite effect. To me, the battle is between the powerful and those not so powerful. Who’s interest are being served? Who are the rational voices in the media? There aren’t many of them, and its easy to find someone who brings it from your viewpoint, right or wrong, Many claim to be entertainers when the heat gets hot, but in truth, are a major source of information for lots of people. Disinformation and lack of knowledge about what is going in the world prevent us from coming together as a society to seek mutually beneficial outcomes. As a result, we have a small percentage of winners, and the rest of us are left to scratch and claw, baiting each other as racist rubes or tree hugging crime lovers, in the mean time we all get porked.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 11, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont take any negativity out of the word inevitable...
it just means that it’s sure to happen…
and the post…its just another way to poke fun at jeff francoeur…he absolutely seems like the type of guy that’d get fired up more than normal about this kinda thing
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
then sports pages and websites should just stop posting anything other than stats and recaps
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it actually devalues an event when we talk about it in every single consequence and circumstance
but maybe I’m being unfair. the Royals’ reflections on 9/11 hasn’t actually been written yet
its 10 years since it happened...it very rarely comes up outside of its anniversary...
with regards to sports…a 10 year anniversary is a pretty big deal
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
if that's what you mean, then say that
i got the impression that you feel that talking about 9/11 in general is blase and unimportant…i agree that i don’t really care what any sports figure has to say about 9/11 any more than any other person…but the media covers the royals, the anniversary is coming up, what are they going to do, ignore it?
if they did something every single year, i think that might be a bit much, but i think on the 10th anniversary (because we like round numbers) is entirely appropriate.
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Melky Cabrera
He signed with the Yankees as an amateur free agent in 2001, presumably just months before 9/11.
“What was it like signing with a team, then a few months later, the city that you would one day play in was the target of a terrorist attack?”
“I dunno.”
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Sep 9, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bruce Chen
He pitched for the Mets (you know, that other New York team) on September 8th, 2001. He started the game and lasted 1/3 of an inning!!! It’s almost like he knew something was coming.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/FLO/FLO200109080.shtml
Doesn't count
He’s not American. 9/11 only affect ’Mericans.
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But aren't Panamanians honorary Americans because their country only exists because of our imperialistic tendencies?
Well, not ONLY, but we were pretty important in the creation of the country of Panama, and the employment of all those Chinese immigrants there, while you’re at it, so Bruce probably has a lot to add to the conversation.
And Bryan Pena because he’s the most pro-American guy on the team.
Wasn't he also the pitcher in the first game played in New York post-9/11?
I seem to remember reading an article about it and about half way through turning to my husband and saying, “Wait…is this OUR Bruce Chen?”
Just when I think you've done it all
You go and do something like this. You amaze me WIll. You amaze me.
im a good way or a bad way...
i get sick of all the francoeur shit…but i thought this was really funny
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to excited that we are making jokes about Holidays and Memorials now.
by 306008 on Sep 9, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i dunno...i didnt really see it as mocking the memorial
although apparently some others did. i saw it as mocking francoeur, the media and its predictability…who knows though…
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think its making fun of memorials
But the over-the-top way the media has to connect EVERYTHING to 9/11.
This, I thought, was particularly egregious.
http://www.biography.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=17197066&airingid=17198324
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that seems ridiculous...
but then, when i see GW throwing a strike at the world series in a bulletproof vest, i see that as a big thing…maybe its just b/c we’re sports fans?
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by billybeingbilly on Sep 9, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This is how I took it.
Definitely not mocking people reflecting on such a tragic and pivotal moment for our nation and many of us personally. Having said that, the way it so seamlessly moves from a shared public experience of grief to commercialized exploitation is disturbing.
The American Way
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Whose mocking the memorial?
Gently mocking the media frenzy around it, which encroaches into things it has no business encroaching on is hardly the same thing.
It’s baseball. I watch and follow baseball (and all sport) because I want to forget about “real life” for a few hours. I can get my fill of memorial and reflections and analysis elsewhere, from people who are actually relevent to the whole thing.
What was the impact on baseball? Derek Jeter got a crap nickname out of the whole thing.
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on Sep 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think many people see crass commercialism
instead of homage or remembrance, particularly when done by a major sports league, or a brand, etc…. the old “is nothing sacred” idea.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It is sad, but Team America is closer to a true/rerlvant national anthem than any other song.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Sep 9, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
FYP
awesomefunny butand true
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a kid in my class today say that he didn't care about 9/11 and that it was "retarded".
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!
Did you tell him that he's retarded?
It’s probably against some rule and you’re not supposed to use that word anymore anyway, but maybe you could have subtly let him know. Or made him wear the dunce cap and sit in the corner. Do they still let you do that? I had a teacher do that to my brother once, but I think it was done somewhat in jest. Or, as Al Franken puts it, “kidding on the square.”
9/11 is important and really should be remembered.
I think a lot of patriotism IS over the top, having said that. It’s a separate issue entirely. Thinking about it, isn’t it a little creepy that we have kids say the pledge of allegiance in the classroom every morning? Why do we really sing the national anthem before games and worship the flag by standing and holding our hands? (Yes, it is all worship.)
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!
civil religion til i die
its weird that movies got off the hook
i need the national anthem playing in the theater before I sit down to watch DEBS
Gene Debs in the house
would that someone of his ilk was bringing it today
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Sep 9, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The Anthem Before
Games started during WWII. There is no conceivable reason that tradition should continue, but no one wants to be the one who suggests discontinuing it. I hope the 7th inning God Bless America thing goes away before it becomes sacrosanct.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Sep 9, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the National Anthem thing.
I make us get to games in time to be in our seats in time for it or it doesn’t count as an official game in my scorebook.
And in all seriousness, in a nation based on an idea rather than a religion or nationality, I don’t have a problem and in fact like the fact that allegiance to the nation and the principles theoretically guiding it are made prevalent to our citizenry. Wasn’t the creation of public education partially justified by the idea that a good nation must have good citizens and at the root of good citizenship is education, including an understanding of our government and history? I know the practice has failed in numerous and varied ways over the years and been horribly perverted at times, but I still think it’s a worthwhile ideal to have. Like everything in this country, I think the ideal is great and we just have to get better at the execution of it.
by Gross(est) on Sep 9, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a 9/11 "survivor, " it helps to hear others' stories
While I grant you it seems absurd to read/hear about what Frenchy or some other random player was DOING/THINKING THAT MORNING, it is mildly cathartic for me (and, per my entirely unscientific and anecdotal polling, others of similar experience). To be clear, I could care less about “what 9/11 means to you” questions. And that still leaves the question of whether the national and regional sports media is the proper distribution channel for the few tens of thousands of us who had our place of work destroyed or were first responders (to find out what others were doing at that time).
“Survivor” is in quotes because I don’t think I merit that term. I worked on the 40th floor of 1 WTC and never even made it to my desk. I did see and hear some awful things, but I’m a civilian. I wasn’t even covered in ash.
Also, sorry about the caps. I’m mobile commenting… no bold font option.
by Reginald of Chutney on Sep 9, 2011 8:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
well said
as gross(est) said above, the ideal is wonderful…we’ve got to improve the execution.
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 9, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted Frenchy
1) He’s old enough to remember it 2) He’s a Jesus-lovin’ American 3) He’s nice to reporters 4) He’s literate and savvy enough to say the right thing. The obvious choice for softball questions.
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