2012: A Long-Awaited Season of Hope Arrives for Royals Fans
I'm not sure who started it, but for the better part of the last two years, 2012 has stood out like a lighthouse for many Royals fans. Since, well, since really the late 1990s, we've been playing the game of In Current Year+2 the Royals should be good. When Gil Meche signed a five-year contract prior to the 2007 season, only the most pessimistic fan would have guessed the Royals would never sniff contention for the duration of his contract. For no real reason, in 2009, a number of people talked about the Royals as "the next Rays," for example. But things changed in 2010, when Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas revived their prospect careers and became full-fledged minor league stars. Suddenly, thanks to strong seasons from Wil Myers and a number of pitchers, the Royals were really and truly going to begin competing in 2012. The mainstream guys pushed it, the bloggers pushed it, the front office certainly didn't fight it. When the Royals traded Zack Greinke prior to last season for soon-to-be-ready parts, basked in the glow of many "best farm system ever" accolades and aggressively promoted Hosmer early in the season the message was clear enough: 2012 really is intended to be the start of something.
In retrospect, it certainly hasn't been a microwaved rebuild. Dayton Moore, after all, was hired in 2006. That summer, someone decided to take Luke Hochevar with the first overall pick. In 2007, Alex Gordon, Billy Butler, and Joakim Soria made their Major League debuts. That hasn't always looked like the foundation of something to build on -- and still not may be -- but nothing else from all that late decade roster churn has endured. At the Major League level, Dayton Moore has proven to be one of the more interesting General Managers in the game. He's had some big wins (Soria and the Soria extension, the initial Greinke contract, etc.) some big losses (the Jose Guillen signing, the Jacobs trade, etc) and lots and lots of curious moves that, in the end, amounted to very little. Moore is a very measured public figure, and rarely says anything beyond GM-speak boilerplate, but even his defenders would admit that he's emerged as enigmatic and unpredictable. My hunch is that he's ready to make another major move this off-season.
The frustrating thing is that at some point this year, probably more than once, someone is going to write or say, "Royals fans have to be patient." Trust me, we've been patient. We've been more than patient. We've been devout. The truth is, if we'd been spared Moore's wandering in the wilderness period of 2007-09, if a handful of moves had been better, if the team had won a big trade or two, we might have been able to really start thinking about contention last year, if not earlier. I lived through Ross Gload and Joey Gathright, so don't treat me like a fair-weather idiot.
The details fit the narrative ascent, but only part way. Hosmer and Moose are now famous and reasonably seasoned at the Major League level, and there's a large group of interesting arms orbiting about. Certainly, we're better off than we were two years ago, though it is unclear how all these auguries of progress are going to translate in this, the hallowed year of 2012.
The Royals have had mediocre pitching/defense and mediocre offense during the Moore Era, but never at the same time. Last season, I could never get used to the fact that the Royals had an above average offense, but thanks to sundry contributions around the lineup, they did. You can see a scenario in which the offense is very good in 2012: Francoeur and Gordon maintain their 2011 performances, Cain is passable, and two of the three Butler/Hosmer/Moose group take major steps forward. That's quite a lot going right, but here we are.
The pitching is another story. While you can see a strong bullpen for 2012, that's a risky way to build a pitching staff: there's so much inherent volatility in so many moving parts throwing small innings totals in small doses. At present, the rotation is essentially the same group as last year, with a nice upgrade in Kyle Davies effectively being replaced by Jonathan 'The Sanchize' Sanchez. As with the offense, there's a fair amount of, "well, if Hochevar improves and Paulino continues his good work and Duffy takes a step forward..." needed to make the thing work. Last season the team runs allowed per game total of 4.70 was tied for third highest in the American League.
So while perhaps too much of this post has been at attempt at providing perspective the truth is things are different. Again, we have all those bad years of experience to fall back on. The Royals have bonafide expectations in 2012, and even if they don't have to win the division for everyone to keep their jobs, if they truly fall flat, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. And of course, the off-season is far from over. Should Moore make a major move for starting pitching, the stakes will be further raised. If he doesn't, we may have to settle for flashes and glimpses and seeing the upside in 79 wins.
These are exciting times. There's a dose of frisson to the admixture of Royals fandom these days. 2012, whatever that means, is here.
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Very nice post.
Also I think Mellinger had a big part in the 2012 thing with his ‘Mission 2012’ stuff.
I'm still on board with Mission 2009
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 1, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
jokes aside
if the Royals Think Tank could somehow time machine the 2008 rotation to combine it with the rest of this year’s team, there might actually be something there.
Funny bit of irony: a Royals fan whose opinions I respect a great deal opined the other day that he thought the current team showed that Dayton knows how to put together an offense, but he wasn’t sure about Dayton and pitching.
Remember how the consensus was precisely the opposite in 2008?
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 1, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yea.., i can even remember buying in
Dayton getting the team to league average in 2007 or whatever it was seemed miraculous
by Freneau on Jan 1, 2012 6:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we're going to all of the trouble of assembling a time machine
lets combine parts with the 1956 Indians.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jan 1, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I remember Dayton saying,
“pitching is the currency of baseball”, and for several years, he worked hard to get pitching. Now, we really need more of it.
That information is somewhat classified.
When you spend your currency on...
Gathright, Shealy, TPJ, Jacobs, Betancourt (via MacDougal/Cortes) and Crisp—the trades I can think of off the top of my head where Moore traded ‘currency’—then part of the problem isn’t the amount of currency so much as how Moore’s spent it. None of those were particularly big deals, but when given his ‘allowance’ by Glass, Moore does best when he’s spent it on the farm, but when Dayton has gone into town with some extra change in his pocket he’s largely spent it on junk he didn’t need or was of poor quality and didn’t last. I’m always worried about Dayton going to town the way Pa worried about Laura when she went to the carnival with the whole quarter her dead Aunt Helen left her in the will-box.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
by setupunchtag on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yep. Scott McKinney has done a great job in detailing
GMDM’s trading skills when it comes to MLB players.
Nice “Little House” reference, BTW.
That information is somewhat classified.
will a playoff contending Royals team
Be a sign of the 2012 world ending apocalypse?
I don't have an MD or law degree. I have a baccalaureate in kicking ass and taking names. You know that guy who can pick up any girl, I'm him on crack.
by don_jerovanni on Jan 1, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mayans Don't Know
Shit. Some other idiots said so; can’t remember who and don’t care.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 1, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, just one last cruel tease
http://www.royalscentricity.com/2010/06/meaning-of-2012.html
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 1, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can't help but think
That this is a, if not make or break, a pretty seminal year for the Royals.
Lots of people, rightly or wrongly, think the Royals can win. Dayton Moore, by action if not word, has shown he thinks the Royals can win. For the first time in 8 years, there is a genuine sense of expectation sround this team.
If they now bumble their way to a mediocre 77 win season and anonymity in the Central, that’s going to leave a lot of eyes looking critically in Moore’s direction I think from people who haven’t yet
which in reality means nearly everyone outside the nihilistic, pessimistic RR bubble.
And maybe i’m a hopeless downer, because that scares me. If we are 5 games back in July, I can love with that because I don’t expect us to win this year. But I could easily see Moore throw the kitchen sink at this “Mission 2012” and set the franchise back another 6 years. I just don’t don’t trust him one little bit.
In conclusion, i’ve been a Royals fan too long.
Edgar knows best.
I think DM will be allowed to get by with one more sub .500 season, as long as it isn't a 68 win clunker or something.
Killing time until time kills me
We need to be patient
The front office knew it would take at least 5-6 years to even sniff contention. That’s why they totally didn’t blow $100 million+ on free agent contracts during the first three off-seasons.
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The topic of the Royals came up during my New Years' Party last night,
and one of my friends sagely said, “I’ll believe it when I see it.” There have been enough false alarms of the years that I don’t entirely blame the casual KC fanbase for hesitating to fully dive in. I told him that, while 2012 was no sure playoff year or winning season, this time there is genuine reason for optimism. And isn’t optimism why I look forward to Opening Day every year? Or masochism. Or some mix of these.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
My best friend thinks the same thing about the Royals.
Whenever I ask him about it, he pretty much says the same thing. I think that this is the norm for casual fans in KC.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
Optimism is contagious
Isnt it amazing how this time of year, optimism is always in predominance. Then opening day arrives and all that optimism quickly succumbs to pessimism.
The Royals will be what they will be this year, either a 90+ playoff running team or a 70- clean out the front office team. Either way, it will be one of the most exciting and interesting seasons in recent memory watching all that youth intermixed with a few crafty veterans taking on teams who spent 3 and 4 times what the Royals will spend on salaries.
One thing for sure everyone will say this year…It sure isn’t boring.
You must not remember 18-11.
Then opening day arrives and all that optimism quickly succumbs to pessimism.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
18-11
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83-79!
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by philofthenorth on Jan 1, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think that we'll definitely improve, and there's a decent (not great) chance that we will win the division.
I can see a good amount of our players playing up to par, but I could also see a few of them regressing.
Who knows? Maybe everyone will play at least at an average level. Maybe not. As of now I’ve sort of calmed down on the optimism, but I’m still being cautiously optimistic.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
The Tigers might be a pretty damn good team next year.
Winning the division is still pretty unrealistic right now. A lot would have to go wrong for the Tigers and a lot would have to go right for KC in order for the Royals to catch up to them.
The Twins, ChiSox, and Indians could all be pretty mediocre, so a 83 win 2nd place finish for the Royals wouldn’t shock me…but the Tigers are just too good right now, I think.
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Jan 1, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Improve, yes. Contend? No, not without better starting pitching.
That information is somewhat classified.
I wouldn't call it
a “decent” chance. The division has had it’s current teams since 1998. The average central division winning record is just over 93 wins. (95+ for the wild card) The worst division winner had 87 wins. That means a 16 game improvement (around 100 points of winning percentage) at least to have a ghost of a chance, and a 22 game improvement to make that chance decent.
Since 1998, AL teams have had 182 chances to improve by that many games in a season. 13 (7.14%) have improved by 16 games, while 6 (3.30%) have improved by 22 or more. The Royals have only had 2 seasons in their history where they have improved by 16 or more games. (The high was 21 in 2003) They did not win the division either time.
Is it possible? Yes. Should we hope? Always. But it would take a perfect storm.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
by KHAZAD on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
IT KEEPS FLAGGING COMMENTS WHENEVER I TRY TO REC THEM.
I’m sorry.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
That's just a bit of a glitch
when the site is running slow. It will show up as a rec to everyone else.
by hunter s. royal on Jan 2, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I've Been Waiting
For that perfect storm since 2007.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
76.95 WINS!!!
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think calling him a .05 WAR player might be giving him too much credit.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I will have to redo this for 2012, but I was off by 2 Wins in for my 2011 projection:
http://www.royalsreview.com/2010/11/2/1789195/the-2011-royals-will-go-69-93-and-i-can-prove-it
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2 wins obviously came from Dyson
That’s what speed do.
by KyleM on Jan 1, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Missed that post first time around - that spreadsheet is great.
Here is me plugging in some numbers for 2012: http://kcbbh.blogspot.com/2012/01/80-82-some-early-2012-projections.html
GMDM gets too much credit
I think Royals ownership spending more money had a bigger impact than did the scouting. They overspent on most of their best minor leaguers. in his time with the royals, DM has not had a trade or a free agent signing workout besides Cabrera and Soria. (maybe Greinke).
This being said i feel skeptical that he can make trades that can push the royals to the next level.
But Dayton is the one who when he came in demanded more money from Glass and revamped the scouting system, right?
I’d say that’s where DM deserves his biggest share of the credit. Yeah, I know the whole “best system ever” bit gets mocked some, and that’s fine, but DM DID create lay the foundation for that farm system to be developed. It was pretty barren before he got here, then he arrived and made a lot of changes that allowed it to be built. It doesn’t guarantee major league success and there are certainly some legitimate concerns about how far he can lead the organization, but he certainly deserves some credit for building the organization up this far. He needs to do some things better, but he has to get some credit too though.
Killing time until time kills me
I think the whole "revamped" the scouting system is a bit much.
He did demand more money and he should be credited for that but it’s not like the Royals are finding hidden gems with their super scouts.
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Rock Chalk Talk
but still under the DM regime, right??
If many of DM’s draft picks turned out to be busts, everyone knows DM would receive 100% of the blame for them. You can’t do that, yet try to give the credit to someone else when they work out. DM has clearly done SOME good things here and deserves credit for it. Doesn’t mean he’s a great GM now, but he’s clearly taken the organization forward is some regards.
Killing time until time kills me
Exactly
Hosmer, Moose, Monty, Lamb, Myers….none of those guys were “no-brainers”. the first two were somewhat questionable picks by a lot of people.
Public Opinion seemed to be:
Hosmer was supposed to be Justin Smoak
Moose was supposed to be Matt Weiters (or, god forbid, Josh Vitters)
Well before DM got here both our major league teams and minor league systems were garbage.
Glass was a complete cheapskate and we didn’t invest in the draft or international spending very much. Since DM has arrived, Glass has started spending money, we are clearly trying to build through the draft, our minor league system has gotten very good and now the major league team is beginning to look like it has some potential.
I’m not saying DM invented the wheel, but come on, he clearly deserves some credit for all that. He also deserves the blame for his many, many questionable moves at the major league level.
Killing time until time kills me
Just don't think he's done anything special outside of getting the money from Glass.
He did demand more money and he should be credited for that but it’s not like the Royals are finding hidden gems with their super scouts.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Well, even though Glass is spending more money than before, the Royals are still far below other teams when it comes to budget.
Yet the Royals are the ones who put together such a good farm system that led to OTHERS calling it the “best ever.” It wasn’t the Royals calling it that, it was all sorts of people who analyze farm systems for a living. If DM hasn’t done anything that well, then why haven’t all the other GMs who have far more money at their disposal done the same thing? Are all the other GMs just too stupid to put together a farm system of similar quality?
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Jan 2, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All I know is, for years and years during KC's worst years, fans like us did nothing but yell about how we needed to build from within, through the draft and young players.
Now we have one of the best farm systems in recent memory and a major league team full of young players that actually showed some promise last year..yet now I’m supposed to think that all of that happened only because Glass started spending a little more money. Sorry, I just can’t buy that. I am willing to give credit where credit is due, and DM deserves credit for those things just as much as he deserves harsh criticism when he makes his stupid moves, of which they are plenty.
Killing time until time kills me
Not saying he doesn't get great credit for that.
However, many high draft picks and the money to go overslot in other rounds. That matters. Are there any players that GMDM “found” who weren’t signed either over slot or with the first pick?
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Rock Chalk Talk
Yes, the money does matter, and DM played a large role in getting that money out of glass too.
So, DM is the one who convinced Glass to spend more money and he’s the one who has used that money to spend heavily on the international market and in the draft, as well as locking up players such as Greinke, Soria, DeJesus (I think it was DM that signed him to the extension…), Butler, and hopefully Gordon soon. All three of those things are things that did not occur under Baird. I’m not trying to say DM is doing things so much better than all other GMs, but he is clearly doing some things right..and that goes beyond just getting Glass to spend money. There are many, many teams who spend a lot of money in various areas and spend it poorly. Just having the money doesn’t automatically mean your farm system will be good. DM and his assistants are making good decisions in those areas.
Killing time until time kills me
Kind of people who are excited for 2012:
- Dedicated Royals fans
- Mayan doomsday theorist
I am not even sure which side is more crazy.
TRUST THE PROCESS
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by Yamfun Cheng Kamfun on Jan 1, 2012 8:22 PM EST reply actions
Starting pitching needs to be improved (significantly) by 2 guys.
And they need for one guy to become a top 10 player (Hosmer) and 4-5 guys to be above average. And the bully needs to continue to be nails.
The tigers are the only team better than us heading into next year, IMO. (AL Central)
Their offense is a tic better, mostly b/c of miggy. I expect Verlander to be closer to 2010 than 2011 this year. Plus they were very lucky LY as they won 7 more games over pythag while kc lost 6 vs pythag. So, if they were a 89 win team last year, and the royals were a 78 win team last year, who knows for this year? A slight decrease from verlander, and perhaps an increase from the younger royals and similar years from Gordon and frenchy and we
might have a close race.
Stuck following the Royals since 1976.
by A. B. Aird on Jan 1, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Gordon is already arguably a top 10 player
I think Hosmer is still a couple years away from reaching that status. The real key is starting pitching. Somebody in the rotation needs to really surprise us.
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Jan 2, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a big fan of Gordon's
But he’s not a Top 10 player. Top 20? Maybe
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
How will the fanbase react if the "season of hope" ends with about 75 wins?
Will they be happy that the team’s record improved and focus on the development of some young players? Or will they be disappointed/crushed/angry that their hopes were dashed yet again and be out for the heads of Moore and Yost?
You may know me as NYRoyal.
The true fans will stay and be encouraged.
Fair weather fans will bitch and moan, but if the Royals continue to improve they’ll show up.
I agree. They've been losing too long for them to be pissed about it more than a fit of a facebook rant.
It’s just expected now. Kind of like how them winning isn’t expected last, even if they do start 18-11. Everyone enjoys it and then waits for the bottom to drop out, throws a snit, then moves on with their lives, i.e. the beginning of Chiefs practices.
It really depends on the subtext of those 75 wins
If our offense maintains, and it is once again the rotations fault, then I would only be incouraged if our arms in the minors are dominating and knocking on the door to break through in the majors in 2013. If we have another stinker from Monty and Dwyer, or if Lamb doesn’t come back looking somewhat solid, or if Odorizzi falls off, I might not be so optimistic. I also want to see if gia can cut it defensively at 2B, and if not I want to see a solid solution to the 2B situation, maybe Colon or a trade. Otherwise I like our team and won’t be too concerned by some struggles these young players might have
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Jan 2, 2012 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
"true" fans will bitch and moan,
“fair weather” fans will grumble about the Wal-mart Royals.
That information is somewhat classified.
Nope, you have it backwards.
75 wins and people should bitch and moan a little bit.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I feel the Royals will do better this season.
Have you ever had a feeling that becomes true? I just have a feeling the Royals are going to perform much better this new season and with the possibility to make the playoffs. The rookies, have all had a feel of the big guys MLB. I could see, Hoz, Moose, Gio, and Salvador hitting much better in the new season then last. I believe, this season will be more exciting then last year and more wins. This is my first year as a Royals fan. I could see why? Many of you are not quite sure, how good the team will do. Since the 1985 wins, Royals have not done all that well! I would love this season to be as a 1985 one! yes, I’m being very optimistic and as of now just following my feelings that our players will do awesome this new year.
Salvador will not hit better than last year
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you feel he won't?
He got a couple of good hits last season and started late. I could see him getting a couple of homeruns and hits next season. I could be wrong. What do you see, that I don’t see in him as a hitter?
His BABIP was way higher than his career average
He had lots of bloop hits along with hits that just got through the infield. Once he gets a full year in it will all even out
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Understandable
He gives me the impression, he will improve and after reading your response, I will need to wait until the season starts and see how he does.
His BABIP is not out of line with his batted ball profile
He just hit a ton of LDs. Line drives turn into hits.
The LD rate will no be sustained.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 2, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty horrific with Sabermetrics
Thank you for clearing that up
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not
when was the last time a catcher hit .330 over a full season? (without roids)
Sal (Vation) will hit .279/.324/416 and be lauded my the Mgr as a future MVP candidate.
Head and Shoulders
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 3, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think he said "without roids"
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 3, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
joe mauer's been convicted in the court of public opinion now?
i mustve missed that one
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 3, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I was joking.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 3, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Knowing this organization I will not circle a year as "the year"
It’s been done before and it will be done again. I want too see improvement in Moose, Eskie, Giavotella, I want to see Hosmer and Gordon show they can play as well as they did last year. I want to be excited and thrilled with Cain and I want to see Salvador improve defensively and maintain being an slightly above average hitter. I want to see Sanchez become a #1, Chen to be Chen (C’mon!), I want to see Hoch be consistent, I want to see Duffy/Crow become the dominant guy they can be. I want to see Holland continue to dominate and I want to see Joakim get back to form.
I want to win as bad as anyone, and if the players do the things I want them to do we will win, but for fans making it seem like “2012 or bust” is acceptable, it isn’t. Improvement will breed victories, not the other way around.
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 1, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I want to see the same as you do as well!
As a fan, yes I see things in different perspectives. I cannot expect high demands from the team and will not. That I want to see them win? Yes! if they do as they did during September and play as a team! Give it their best…100% of each player..I could see them making it to the playoffs.
No doubt that this team, if they play to their potential, could compete for the playoffs
I’m just stressing that we don’t make 2012 “our year”. Our goal should be improve and compete consistently
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
if KC is still in contention at the trade deadline, then 2012 is WINNING.
everybody has outlined 6-8 “IFs” that must happen for KC to make the playoffs. i say if 4 of these IFs happen, then KC wins 85 games and finishes 5 games behind Detroit and 5 games behind the Rays for the Wildcard.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 1, 2012 10:06 PM EST reply actions
Well, wouldn't we get the Wild Card, then?
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
no. i was trying to say TB gets the wildcard with the same record Detroit wins the central with
and KC is 5 games back of that.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 1, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
AL Central Teams have only won the wild card once
in the past 13 years. That was the Tigers in 2006.
That information is somewhat classified.
i also predict:
that Giavotella will have a breakout year.
Gordon repeats his last year
Hosmer dominates
Hoch becomes a consistent #2
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 1, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions
I say two of those happen
Most likely Gordon/Hosmer and Hoch….I’m not sold on Johnny Gumbo
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 1, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
i've got some nice blue koolaid that will help you with your Gia gitters
sit back and let me poor you a glass.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 1, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhhh Yeahhhhh
I want to believe in Gio, I like the kid. He has to show me something…….SHOW ME THE MONEY
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 1, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I am much more than not sold on him.
Although I’m a little bit shy of where BBB is on the little guy.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 2, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think that it is far more likely that
Giavotella has a complete bust year than Giavotella having a breakout year. He is so bad defensively that he needs to hit quite a bit better projected to really justify that middle infield spot.
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Jan 2, 2012 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with your predictions as well!
However, in addition, “Moustakas, Salvador” will also come out swinging and playing well! I feel “Gordon” will do better then last season, same for Billy and Jeff! I’m concern on the ptiching and until I don’t see our pitching in action…still have a slight worry on how good we will do.
Second place is my hope
1st place is a dream.
My prediction is that the tigers will be the lead dog. Everyone else will be in a mess resembling the AFC west. Twins and Socks stuck in neutral. Indians and us building on youth but not complete yet.
My expectation is between 86-78 wins. All depends on how many of the ifs become reality.
by spamiam79 on Jan 1, 2012 10:58 PM EST via Android app reply actions
2012
On my most optimistic days I’m thinking we might go 81-81. But for the first time since the days of Sweeney, Beltran, Dye, Damon, & Randa. I’m “really” excited about spring training.
ST question
Can you watch the ST games on MLB.TV?
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 1, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think there was a couple of them last year.
they don’t even have MLB Gameday till near the end, I don’t even think hardly any of them have radio broadcasts.
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Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I gotta judge by the box score
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 1, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I Listened To
Almost every game last spring. The internet only were the coolest; no commercials, and they just leave the mic open between innings.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 2, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I want to see Falu
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 1, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
except he lives in florida and cant drive yet
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 2, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
These would be but minor details if he REALLY wanted to go.
by Gross(est) on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh Falu I love your way (everyday)
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
milb.tv
its cheap and i think it has most of the omaha games
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 2, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Being an Iowa fan, it's weird to say this, but
I feel like an Iowa State fan right now with my Royals. Crappy organization that can’t ever win jack shit and now we have some hope to go .500. It’s sort of like when ISU goes 6-6 or 7-5 and goes to some who-gives-a-shit bowl game, their fans get all super excited like they won the national title.
I’m afraid I’m going to feel the same way if the Royals achieve a .500 record this year. FUCK YOU DAVID GLASS FOR RUINING THIS ONCE PROUD ORGANIZATION!
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
I would be super excited if the Royals go to the Fight Hunger Bowl.
I would watch the shit out of that bowl game!
by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on Jan 2, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How awesome was it watching the stupid Clones get worked at Yankee stadium?
I totally agree with this assesment and would be completely pumped if the Royals played in the Beef O Brady’s Bowl.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny that an Iowa fan would chirp about another program getting excited without ever really accomplishing anything.
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 2, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
That you do, in spades!
I was talking about the football program though. The Royals/ISU comparison might be a fair one, but what would that make Iowa? The Twins maybe? A fanbase with delusions of grandeur based on… ??? Nile Kinnick? Outdoor baseball (finally)? Occasionally being good enough to be briefly relevant in the postseason before routinely getting stomped by superior teams?
Ok, that’s not fair… The Twins have actually won a title.
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 2, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
iowa trash talk...gotta love it
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You do realize....
…that Iowa State’s football program isn’t even close to as strong as Iowa’s and never will be, right?
Iowa’s disappointing years are ISU’s best years. You know that, right?
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
Being a Purdue fan is better
We dominate bowl games in Detroit against MAC teams
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
So long as we get a couple onside kicks that is!
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 2, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was seriously dumbfounded at those calls
But thanks to Wiggs, they worked
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oh lulz, the straw man cometh!
I didn’t say ISU has a better football program, nor would I. You just implied that it’s pathetic when teams have a different measure of success and then celebrate “like they won the national title” when they reach it…I was wondering what national titles smug Iowa fans like yourself are pointing to for the basis of comparing what winning a national title would feel like? I mean I know they almost had an argument in 2002 and talked the big talk about how Ohio State lucked into not playing them that year (at least until the USC game happened. That was fun for about a minute, right?). And that year would arguably be the flagship Ferentz year… And if you’re going to assert that ISU will NEVER have a football program as strong as Iowa’s, they might want to consider quitting losing to them.
Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programming…
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 2, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
They've finished the season ranked in the Top 10 four times since 2002.
While it’s not “National Titles,” I would hardly call them an inconsequential program over the past ten years.
I’m an Iowa fan and certainly do not celebrate like they won the National Title ever. I would say that they’re somewhere near the top of that tier just below huge powerhouse programs, but I don’t feel that is out of line with the results.
BTW, not a fan of Ferentz the coach. I would give anything for him to be able to recruit and develop the players and then hand over the reigns in game to someone who wasn’t outmatched in the strategy department.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 2, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Again, not my point, and you're putting words in my mouth.
Did I call Iowa inconsequential? I really wasn’t trying to deride Iowa’s program – which is inarguably better than my alma mater’s at ISU – but I get tired of smug Iowa pricks who just can’t fathom that Cyclone fans really aren’t envious of Iowa at all, and I was putting it in perspective. It’s all relative, as you basically said. Neither Iowa nor ISU are realistically ever going to be playing for a national championship unless a playoff system is put in place, so what’s the difference in being excited for a “meaningless” game that ISU plays in a cold weather bowl, or a “meaningless” game Iowa plays in a warm weather BCS bowl? Neither is a national championship game, which is what the new guy (girl?) was basically asserting is necessary for any excitement from a fanbase to be meaningful. True championship programs are going to think Iowa’s enthusiasm for their success is just as “cute” as Iowa fans think Iowa State’s is.
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 2, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
If it’s any consolation, I’m generally not that enthusiastic for their success unless they’re winning the conference at the very least.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Cyclone fans aren't envious of Iowa?
Come on man, you know that’s just not true. Go visit CycloneFanatic.com for crying out loud! The entire site seems to have been created for the sole purpose of ripping on Iowa and the Big-10 (they rip on the Big-10 because it makes themselves feel better about never finishing with a better record than Iowa)
I’m not saying you, or EVERY ISU fan, has pen15 envy of Iowa. But come on, the jealousy of Iowa is quite an embarrassment to your fan base.
Iowa fans can be a little smug. You won’t find anyone that rips on Iowa fans more than I do. Don’t even get me started with how ashamed I am when I go to bowl games, seeing all the idiot Iowa fans making fools of themselves. But we’re not ALL that way. And though it may have seemed like it in my previous posts, I’m not either. I actually do like ISU, to an extent. My family is half ISU, half Iowa. So I’ve grown accustom to smack talk between the sides ever since I was little. But I want ISU to do well. I think it’s good for the state, and I don’t think a good ISU program hurts Iowa in any way. Let’s face it, who gives a damn who gets more in-state recruits? There’s very little high school talent here because the Des Moines schools have HORRIBLE football coaches and don’t get kids involved in football at young enough ages like they do in other decent sized cities.
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
You Let Snyder
Escape. He’s a miracle worker at K-State.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 3, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Don't remind me
Never understood the wrasslin’ fixation this state has. I don’t actually watch the meets, but I root against Iowa in wrasslin’ because I hate seeing us be known as a wrasslin’ school.
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
Boiler up!
BFIB<BFSE........KC needs more Edwin Carl
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
You're kidding, right?
BCS Bowls, conference titles, many bowl wins, Top 10 finishes, etc…
Yep, never accomplished anything. One day I hope the Hawks can finish 7-5 in their best seasons ever and end up in minor bowl games like ISU does.
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
Seneca F. Wallace
Pwned
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Jake Christensen FTW!
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
Soooo stoked!!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If we had a stable pitching crew...maybe
if chen gets 12+ win
Hoch stays consistent
Sanchez wins
soria either start or don’t fuck up
and we get another 2+, we might actually win the division
Nunez for Jacobs a "Big Loss"?
I don’t see it, actually. Not a good trade, but he generated a net total of 1 WAR in total during his three years with the Marlins.
All that reminds me that I’ve got to finish up my update for his net WAR performance.




















