Danny Duffy's Offspeed Location Problems: Curveball
In the last post about Danny Duffy, I looked at how his propensity last season to locate his changeup up in the strike zone likely lead to an extraordinarily high BABIP on fly balls. In this post, I will look at how his curveball location is also hurting his BABIP on flyballs.
Duffy relied heavily on his curveball as his strikeout pitch. Overall, he threw his curveball 20.7% percent of the time, his most common offspeed pitch thrown. Duffy increased his curveball usage to 30.7% of the time in an 0-2 count and 39.3% of the time in a 1-2 count, showing he liked to use it (as well as a high fastball) to force the punch out. The southpaw clearly wants his curve to be an important part of his arsenal, but the pitch needs more work. Duffy allowed 2.9 runs below average with his curveball last season, or -.73 runs per 100 pitches. While this is not horrible, it needs to improve to an above-average pitch to continue to be an important part of the young pitcher's arsenal.
Similar to his changeup, Duffy regularly located his curveball in a hittable part the strike zone. Looking at Duffy's heat maps reveals this trend (via Fangraphs).
For whatever reason (or combination of reasons), Duffy located far too many curveballs in the middle third of the strike zone. This is problematic, and can be improved upon multiple ways. Duffy can locate his curveball higher or lower in the strike zone, depending on what he is trying to accomplish. Most pitchers with similar curveballs, however, prefer to locate their curveball low and even out of the strike zone. More analysis of Duffy's curveball follows the jump.
Duffy threw a lot of curveballs over the middle of the plate, but he did have some success with those pitches. Looking at his called strike zone from Texasleaguers reveals that he did fool some hitters with his curveball.
A fair amount of Duffy's curveballs to RHH thrown up in the strike zone went for called strikes, showing that his curveball has enough movement to freeze some hitters. This is one of the reasons why his curveball is a better pitch than his changeup, even though both pitches have location issues. His curveball location, however, leads to less swinging strikes when hitters choose to swing and harder contact.
Over at The Hardball Times, Max Marchi wrote a great piece called "Slicing and Dicing the Strike Zone by Pitch" where he analyzed where each pitch should cross the plate for maximum effectiveness. Marchi had two points when it comes to throwing curveballs:
The curve achieves the best results low and even out of the zone...Let's add a layer that goes from the ground to the lower limit of the strike zone and another one from the higher limit to the sky, and we're done. Curveballs and sliders can be successful in those layers; basically you just have to stay away from the heater's layer ... otherwise you have just thrown a hanger.
While Marchi states that curveballs can be successful higher in the strike zone, I believe it will be more beneficial to Duffy if he locates more of his curveballs in the lower tier of the strike zone instead of the upper tier of the zone. Umpires generally do not call the upper zone of the rulebook strike zone consistently, so he may throw pitches that are legally strikes but will rarely be called so by an umpire.
Looking at the Pitch F/X heat maps of guys who throw quality curves shows that they normally aim low in the strike zone. The following heat map belongs to Wandy Rodriguez, who owned one of the most effective curveballs last season (via Fangraphs).
Rodriguez throws a ton of curveballs, so he is bound to leave some over the plate. There does seem to be a clear effort to pound his curveball down and in to righties, something the lefty has done with great success. Rodriguez's curveball is more of a traditional 12-6, than Duffy's, so he is not a perfect example. The next heat map belongs to Jon Lester, someone who has similar horizontal and vertical movement to Duffy. The following heat map is from 2010, because Lester somewhat struggled with his curveball location in 2011 as well.
Lester is also choosing to work down and in against RHH, and is not afraid to bury his curve in the dirt. Keeping the curve lower in the strike zone forces weaker contact and more strikeouts. Wandy had a .220 BABIP on flyballs while managing to get whiffs 12.6% of the time. Lester had a .250 BABIP on flyballs while getting whiffs 15.3% of the time he threw a curveball. Duffy, on the other hand, had a .385 BABIP on his flyballs and only had swinging strikes on 8% of his curveballs.
As I stated in my last post, I don't feel qualified to speculate what may be causing both Duffy's changeup and curveball to stay high in the zone. I do feel comfortable saying that Duffy needs to keep his offspeed consistently lower in the strike zone for him to improve into a quality major-league pitcher. Hopefully, the lefty is able to make the necessary adjustments to succeed.
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I don't love these heat maps
I find it difficult to glean information from them the way that they are constructed.
My first problem is that I’d rather see the “blending” area increased quite a bit. Pitchers can’t place a curveball in a teacup, but the way that the data is processed seems to set out to draw a distinction between a ball placed right on the corner and a ball placed 2 inches to the right of said corner. Increasing the size where data is taken together would make the graphs more legible.
Also, even after comparing Duffy’s heat map to Wandy’s and Lester’s heat maps, I still don’t have much of an idea whether Duffy’s location is a problem compared to typical curveball location. What we need is a heatmap showing full MLB curveball location, and then another map showing Duffy’s location frequency relative to the league map (so if Duffy leaves more balls in the middle of the zone and up in the zone, those areas would be red, and if Duffy locates fewer pitches down and away, that area would be blue).
You really can't see that Duffy's are located in the heart of the plate while the other two are often in the lower half?
There are some sample size concerns when comparing them for sure but it’s pretty clear that Duffy’s “hotter” right in the middle of the zone.
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by Warden11 on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really can't
I get a general sense that Duffy leaves some balls up and over the heart of the plate, but there’s a lot of blue and green in the lower half as well. I can’t tell from that map where the center of mass is.
The eye is definitely drawn to the brightest part of the map, but I can’t weight each color space properly in my head to know where the center of the distribution is. If the data were processed slightly differently, it would be much easier to understand.
I don't say this to sound critical - I want you to be able to see it better, so I'll expand on what was already mentioned.
Duffy’s “brightest” spot is a yellow dot in the upper right hand corner; the next “brightest” spots are the green blobs, about a dozen of them, and at least half are above the midline of the strikezone (more than half, the way I see it).
For Wandy, the brightest spot is a large red dot in the lower left hand corner; the next brightest spots are orange-ish red, and a lot of it hangs around or above the midline, but some is down and out of the strikezone to the left and below.
For Lester, the brightest spot is yellow and right on the lower edge of the strikezone; the next brightest are two greenish-yellow dots (as I see it), one of which is near the middle of the strikezone (although slightly below the midline) and the other is below the strikezone entirely.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 11, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, like I said, the eye is drawn to the brightest part of the map
But the brightest part of the map isn’t necessarily the center of the location distribution. In fact, in Duffy’s case, the brightest spot of the map probably isn’t close to the center of the distribution.
If the bin radius were about 5-10 times as large, the hot zones would look more smooth and defined. I think you’d see a general dark blue diagonal line from the bottom left to the top right of the map with 2 hotter zones, one in the top middle of the zone and another at the bottom left and below the zone.
The price of the smoothness would be that the map wouldn’t differentiate much between small location changes, but it seems like those small differences are mostly random chance anyway.
yeah, i see what you're saying
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 11, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't these showing the same information?
Leading to the same conclusions about pitch location?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 12, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, exact same data
I just increased the point size and adjusted the intensity to clearly show the frequency differences.
I find these graphs much easier to understand than the default settings Fangraphs gives you. For me, at least, they tell a much clearer narrative.
I like those - good to know you can mess with the settings
maybe it’s less specific, but it shows the generalization better.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 12, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Are These From
The pitcher’s perspective?
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by philofthenorth on Jan 12, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Pitchers can’t place a curveball in a teacup, but the way that the data is processed seems to set out to draw a distinction between a ball placed right on the corner and a ball placed 2 inches to the right of said corner. Increasing the size where data is taken together would make the graphs more legible.
Don’t the heat maps reflect where the ball actually went, with the “hotter” colors showing greater frequency of balls being pitched there? Why should such a representation equate a ball on the corner with a ball 2 inches from the corner? The balls went where they went. Showing all pitches (or all of a certain group of pitches) shows you where the pitches went and the frequency of various areas.
The Duffy “heat map” shows quite clearly that most of his curveballs were in the upper half of the strike zone (or higher). It would be nice to see how that compares to all MLB curveballs, but at least from the heat map, you can tell where his curveballs have been thrown. The degree to which that is a problem is another story.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t the heat maps reflect where the ball actually went, with the "hotter" colors showing greater frequency of balls being pitched there? Why should such a representation equate a ball on the corner with a ball 2 inches from the corner? The balls went where they went. Showing all pitches (or all of a certain group of pitches) shows you where the pitches went and the frequency of various areas.
Heat maps have to blend data to a certain extent because no 2 balls are thrown in exactly the same spot. I imagine that the color of any given point is based upon the number of pitches located within a certain radius of that point. I think the resulting graphs would be easier to understand if that radius were increased.
Looking at Duffy’s graph, can you really tell where he tends to locate his pitches? There’s some green toward the upper half of the strike zone and slightly to the right of center, and there’s also some green low and to the left of center. Mostly, it looks like a smattering of random blue. Wandy’s heat map is by far the most informative of the 3, but even in that graph, there’s a dark blue zone a couple inches from the reddest part of the map. In all 3 heat maps, I feel like I’m mostly looking at noise.
This article isn’t a perfect analog, but it’s related to the issue I’m talking about. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15363
Looking at Duffy’s graph, can you really tell where he tends to locate his pitches?
It certainly seems like I can. There’s a lot of green (and the only spot of yellow) clusteredd in the upper half of the strike zone (and not even towards the edge of the zone). Yes, there is some other green, but much less of it in other places, including a small closer around the bottom of the strike zone.
Wandy’s heat map is by far the most informative of the 3, but even in that graph, there’s a dark blue zone a couple inches from the reddest part of the map.
So what? That’s a spot where his curveballs in that sample didn’t go. But you can tell where most of his curveballs did go.
In all 3 heat maps, I feel like I’m mostly looking at noise.
I think the patterns make themselves pretty clear in each of the three maps. Now if you want to argue that the sample size is too small for any or all of them for it to be reliable data, that’s fine. But this data tells you where the pitches actually went and shows it in a pretty clear way. Works well for me.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, if you can tell what's going on, that's great
I just think it’d be clearer if it were painted with a wider brush.
It seems like the way that you’re interpreting Duffy’s heat map is you’re concluding that he puts a lot of balls in the top half of the zone generally toward the middle of the plate. So you’re basically trying to imagine on your own what it would look like with a wider brush because the way the data is initially set forth isn’t particularly useful.
I’m not blaming Connor—I doubt he controlled the specifics of how the heat maps were created.
Also, the sample size is a significant issue
Duffy threw, what, maybe 300 curves last season? How many pitches are in each location bin? 2? 5? 10?
Increasing the size of the bins makes them more meaningful, and it would get rid of the silly blue zones, for example, at the center of Wandy’s heat map. Making the bins too small tends to treat noise as signal.
As a separate sample size issue, is there a statistically significant difference between the center of Duffy’s distribution and the center of Wandy’s distribution? If I took 300 random curves from Wandy’s data set, what are the chances that it would look something like Duffy’s?
Any argument that supports the thesis
that Duffy has lousy control is a valid argument, in my book. And, yes, I know that’s begging the question, in the phrase’s real meaning.
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Good stuff.
Got plans to look at his fastball next? I’m interested in that because he has good velocity, but not sure about movement. Might be a candidate for slowing it down and getting better results if that’s the case.
His fastball is all over tge
by Connor Moylan on Jan 11, 2012 4:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Excuse me
His fastball is all over the place, and since he threw so many, its hard to discern a patterm
by Connor Moylan on Jan 11, 2012 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What site are you using for the heat maps?
Jeff’s site? Or are you doing them yourself?
Mostly Fangraphs
but I also use joelofkowitz.com, texasleaguers, and brooksbaseball
by Connor Moylan on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looks like his curve fooled a lot of umps too
I counted around 14 curves that were in the strike zone called as balls
by LimaTime10 on Jan 11, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The one strike call that is way low I have a hard time believing happened.
I wonder if it is a miscalculated swinging strike
by Connor Moylan on Jan 11, 2012 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How was the BABIP on the curve?
Lower than the changeup, I would assume, but higher than the FB?
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 11, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions
For flyballs
Changeup – .571
Curveball – .385
Fastball -.250
by Connor Moylan on Jan 11, 2012 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting
this matches the impression I had from watching him all year: Curveball has decent enough break, and can be deceptive enough at times – but he simply left it too high too often. Weird part, to me, was many of those looked more like simple location errors, and not “hangers”. (hanging curves have a look like they sorta roll up there as compared to a well thrown curve, which appears to bite. Sorta easy for me to see, because it is similar to a well thrown bowling ball vs a spinning bowling ball)
Anyway, the question I have: Did the inability to “fix” Duffy’s issues with curveball command contribute to the sacking of McClure? I think it very well may have.
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by loyal2sdad on Jan 14, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I saw what you saw.
And, I even considered the possibility that he wasn’t missing his spots so much as actually trying to work the top of the zone. It seems odd with a curve ball, but if you can freeze batters with it, that could (and sometimes does) actually work. And, of course, I can certainly see the possibility that he’s doing the same thing with the fastball (i.e. regularly trying to get batters out with high heat).
But Connor’s last piece, dealing with the changeup really makes this seem unlikely. Although I can see the possibility that a pitcher might work up and away to batters with the other offerings, I just can’t justify deliberately putting a changeup that high in the strike zone.
So, I wind up where I started, with the conventional conclusion that he’s just missing his spots.

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