ZiPS Projections and the 2012 Detroit Tigers
The Tigers fairly inactive offseason made guessing the roster and estimating playing time pretty easy. I used the same methodology as I used for projecting the Royals 2012 win total from their ZiPS projections.
Runs scored (plus defensive runs saved) - 777.3
Runs allowed (ERA-based) - 710.1
Runs allowed (FIP-based) - 695.9
Win total (ERA-based) 87.9
Win total (FIP-based) 89.4
As a reminder, the Royals are projected to 78.0 - 80.6 wins. So the differential between the Royals and Tigers is 8.8 - 9.9 wins.
UPDATE: Without Victor Martinez
Win total (ERA-based) 86.4
Win total (FIP-based) 87.9
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I don't think so
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 16, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Are there circumstances under which, the FIP wins would be fewer than ERA wins?
Only two examples to look at, but FIP wins are more for both teams. But individual pitchers vary as to whether their FIP is better or worse than ERA.
Yes, if you have 5 Bruce Chens pitching for you
I think FIP is supposed to be scaled so that it is the same as ERA, league-wide.
This is about what I would have guessed
I would have guessed 87 for the Tigers, but 88 doesn’t surprise me.
So there’s about a 10 win gap between the team projections. I’d think the Royals would have a decent shot if it were a 5 win gap (maybe a few players are better than expected, we get some pythag luck, we get good fortune avoiding injuries, etc), but a 10 win gap is a little more formidable.
This is why Moore’s off-season has really annoyed me. We might have been ~5 or 6 wins from being a decent sleeper pick in the division, and there were good, reasonable ways to make up that ground. But instead, Moore spent $5 on Chen, $4M on Broxton, and $2M on Yuni (and $7M on Frenchy if you want to include that), and will leave $10-20M on the table to pad Glass’s coffers. Does anyone think that for $20-40M (depending how you count it), Moore couldn’t have added 5 or 6 wins to the team without sacrificing the future?
Oswalt, for example, could cover about half that. Signing Edwin Jackson could make a big difference. Taking on big chunks of the Wandy Rodrigues or Carlos Zambrano contracts might have made sense. Or a shrewd trade for Trevor Cahill could have made up some ground both now and in the future.
But instead, we have non-impact players. The contracts aren’t all that bad (tho none are particularly good), but the players just don’t make enough difference, and they fill the available slots where we could have had better players that would have made a difference.
weve been over all of this...
we dont fit any of oswalts criteria (unless those have changed this offseason, we’ll see where he signs), there will be better pitchers available than jackson next offseason for similar money. the astros want legitimately good prospects for the right to pay wandy 40 million or so the next 3 years….do you really want to trade monty + for trevor cahill? thats what it took. i’d much rather have chen at his contract than cahill at his with the prospects lost or that cost for wandy.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 16, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
-You don’t know where Oswalt is willing to sign.
-There will be better pitchers than Jackson available next offseason, but you don’t know how much they’ll cost. Recent reports about Jackson’s price suggest that he’d be a pretty good deal. It’s quite possible that Jackson will be signed this year on a more team-friendly contract than any the Royals could get next year.
-Monty+ for Cahill would be a good deal, yes.
-You don’t know what it would take to acquire Wandy.
I’m not saying all of these moves should have happened, but it sure seems like Moore hasn’t tried to make any of them. Signing Chen and committing money to Broxton and Yuni and positions we didn’t need to improve should have been a back-up plan after the better options fell through. And now we’re sitting here thinking that we shouldn’t acquire another pitcher because Chen’s roster spot is a lock and adding a good pitcher would push Duffy or Paulino out of the rotation.
no...i dont know where oswalt is willing to sign...
but i can tell you what his preferences have been in the past, NL, South, and a winner. royals go 0 for 3….i know what the astros were asking for wandy over the past few months. i know that there have been no significant talks about him going anywhere b/c the astros asking price is so astronomical. I know that he’ll be owed something like $40 million over three years.
so, while you’re right that i dont KNOW what the cost of those guys is, i can use context clues to come up with a reasonable guess. Which is a much better argument than we shouldnt have signed A, B and C and instead shouldve used that money to sign/trade for A,B, C all the while assuming that the recent past is the opposite of what is happening now.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 16, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Regarding Oswalt, the Royals easily could be a winner, particularly if they had a pitcher like Oswalt. I can’t tell you that he’d love to sign with KC, but you can’t tell me that he wouldn’t be willing to sign with KC if they offered the most money. I’m not interested in speculating about personal aspects of players’ lives.
i know what the astros were asking for wandy over the past few months. i know that there have been no significant talks about him going anywhere b/c the astros asking price is so astronomical.
You do?
Staying within 10 games of the division leader throughout the course of the season
would make for a helluva fun season
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jan 16, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions
Adding Oswalt makes it seven games.
If Gordon repeats his season it would be 3 games.
The Tigers could drop a lot with one pitch in spring training.
The Royals were 7 games under thier Pathag last year, maybe that will happen to the Tigers?
Maybe we actually should go for it?
Go Royals!
Maybe Moore shouldn't have wasted money and readily improvable roster spots on Bruce Chen, Yuniesky Betancourt, Jonathan Broxton and Jeff Francoeur?
The Tigers would have been the favorite to win the division barring stupid moves that would have mortgaged the Royals’ future, but Moore could have given the Royals a ~25% shot and a hell of a fun season had he used his resources more wisely. As it stands, we probably have a 5-10% shot.
I've been convinced by McKinney et al that its likely shortsighted to "go for it" this year
but viewing these smaller contracts in the context of what you could possibly have gained by filling those roster spots in house and combining the funds on an impact player is spot on….seems like the Royals have hamstrung themselves with these type of “little” moves for years and years.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jan 16, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I completely agree that the Royals shouldn't sacrifice the future to go for it this year
But I think that there were smart ways to improve our chances at contending without sacrificing the future. Trading something like Monty+ for Cahill would have improved our chances this year, and I think it would have improved our team for the length of Cahill’s control. Signing Jackson at ~$10-12M per year would likely be a good value for the next several years, and given that he’s only 28, it could easily be a great value for the length of the contract.
I don’t know exactly what options were on the table, but it’s hard for me to believe that signing Chen for 2/10 AND sacrificing a draft pick was among the best available options.
you have no idea whether we'd have gotten a draft pick for him
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
and turn down the $5 million or so he'd get in arbitration
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
And reportedly, it was for more money than the Royals offer
For whatever that report is worth
he turned down more money (allegedly) to sign with the royals....
so what reason do we have to believe that he wouldnt have turned down the extra year as well?
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Because an extra year is worth at least a couple million.
It’s not like Bruce Chen’s made enough to scoff at 3 or 4 million.
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if he can scoff at 1 which was reported
he can scoff at 3 or 4…
he’d have to pitch really poorly to not get a couple of million after the one year deal…i dont think thats likely
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen this referenced around here...
…but must have missed it when it was first reported.
So, what was the deal Chen reportedly turned down?
Based on your later comment, it seems like it must have been 2yrs/$11MM? Is that right? Do we know what team?
i believe mellinger reported it soon after chen signed
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
and no...i dont think the team was mentioned
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
I found the old tweets on the topic.
So, the wording, since I looked it up, is that he turned down more guaranteed money. And, then, later, that it was, “not much, but at least a million.” (Which is actually pretty much, in my world).
Putting that together, it would seem that someone offered him at least $10MM guaranteed over two years.
Which he would not have turned down for a $6 million dollars arbitration settlement.
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$6m + comfort plus the option to go to arb or hit FA the next offseason…that looks like damn close to worth $10 million to me…unless of course he thinks he’s going to bomb this next season which i highly doubt
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to believe any pitcher his age with his injury history would turn down $10M guaranteed over two years
For $6M + comfort.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
you also found (still find) it hard to believe that he'd turn down $1 million more
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
For a guy who has made 8.5 playing baseball,
1 million’s quite a bit different than 4.
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And some things are harder to believe than others
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
It also seems pretty unlikely...
…that the Royals will pay him less that $10MM in 2012.
He is only guaranteed $9MM, but the deal includes $2MM more in bonuses, including $1MM for a roster bonus.
It is entirely possible that everything Mellinger said is true and Chen still took the best offer on the table.
Good point
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
i think you're going to be really surprised at what happens to cahill....
he hasnt been a good pitcher at all away from oakland…his numbers get worse in every single category…and in most…significantly
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
We are an elbow ligament replacement surgery for Verlander away from competing in the Central
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by averagegatsby on Jan 16, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there's no reason to believe that oswalt is 3 games better than paulino
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 16, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Paulino? I would replace Duffy with Oswalt.
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even then its a stretch to assume oswalt with his health and moving to the AL is a good bet for a 3 win pitcher
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 16, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
or to believe that duffy is replacement level
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 16, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, when talking about adding a SP, people tend to just add their likely wins. In reality, you have to add their wins and subtract the wins of whoever that pitcher replaces.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 16, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and no
Yes, adding a pitcher like Oswalt will take innings from somebody else, but no, those innings won’t necessarily be taken primarily from one of the Royals’ current top 5 pitchers like Duffy or Paulino. The Royals will probably use 8-10 starters next year, and adding another good pitcher not only improves the top of the rotation, it also improves the depth, so that when injuries hit, that extra good pitcher will effectively take innings away from a replacement level pitcher like Sean O’Sullivan.
If there’s 960 innings to split between the starters, it’s possible to get 160 innings from each of Hochevar, Chen, Sanchez, Paulino, Duffy and Pitcher X. In reality, it won’t be split that evenly, but my point is that you can add a 6th pitcher without erasing the positive contribution of one of the original 5.
by kcdc1 on Jan 16, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you'd still be taking away starts from a healthy duffy and/or paulino
which in my world is a big negative
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Duffy could be the Royals top lefty out of the pen until needed as a stater.
I don’t really mind taking innings away from Collins.
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and then when we need him to start....
he has to go down to omaha to stretch it out for 4-5 starts…no thanks….wherever he is this season…he needs to be starting
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Not if one of Chen, Hochevar, Sanchez, Duffy or Paulino is hurt
The 6th best starter will spend most of the season in the rotation, unless, of course, he’s hurt. Then that duty will fall to the 7th best starter, etc.
many of the missed starts are a missed start here and there....
sometimes spread out by 2 days…sometimes spread out by 12….i dont want one of the cornerstones of the franchise being used like that
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Duffy was the 6th starter last season
And that worked out fine except for about a week where Davies’s return threatened to create a 6 man rotation. And Davies got hurt again, so the problem was solved.
These rotation crunches have a way of working themselves out….
I guess it depends if you think Duffy will perform better this year.
I think the Royals think that thier sixth starter right now is Mendoza, and that does not bode well, I would much rather have it be Duffy.
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id rather know that duffy if healthy is starting every 5th day....
i’ll deal with mendoza or mazzaro when i have to. im looking towards the future though…not really trying to sqeeze that 82nd win out of the team this year…and this opinion is subject to revision if were in the race on june 1
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Is it crazy that I wouldn’t mind if Duffy got 5-10 starts in Omaha this year? I mean, I love Duffy as much as anyone, and I think he can compete and progress at the MLB level, but I don’t think it’d hurt his development to get a few low-pressure reps refining his command in AAA.
This is all a moot point tho. The Royals aren’t going to sign another starter, so Duffy will control his own destiny this spring. And the Royals shouldn’t have signed Chen, so the possibility of adding a good pitcher shouldn’t have threatened Duffy’s spot in the first place.
i wouldnt be opposed to that either...
he just needs to be starting…not the swingman…not the lefty out of the pen
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Then he needs to pitch better.
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by BabyBlues on Jan 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if he's pitching poorly....
then he starts in AAA
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
After a bit of thinking
I’ve come to the conclusion that I expect the Royals to win 80 games. I could see them winning up to 85—but this is a pretty big gap. Nice work Scott.
I'm still at about 78
But you don’t have to squint too hard to see how they could win 85…or even 90 if certain players develop quickly and things bounce their way.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 17, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would guess Cleveland would project a little ahead of the Royals too
The offense is probably similar — there are some definitie parallels as Cleveland has a pretty good core of above average players (Choo, Cabrera, and Santana) and decent emerging talent (Kipnis and Chisenhall) to go with some question marks. But Cleveland has a big edge in the rotation with Masterson and Jimenez (yeah, he is not one of the top pitchers in baseball as some suggested after his hot start in 2010, but he is still very good).
What about the Chisox?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 16, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
earlier this off-season I think I had them two or three games ahead of the Royals
which is basically nothing. I had the Twins last. But it was a quick thing, and a lot of moves have been made since then.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I'd agree, but I think it'll be close
I think the Royals offense is a little better, but Cleveland has a big edge in the rotation.
When I did a simple version of this earlier this off-season
I had Cleveland being better on both sides of the ball, almost exactly between KC and Detroit. If Marcels or Steamer comes out soon, I am seriously considering doing my own full-MLB odds ratio/Monte Carlo thing again, although it’s a pain in the butt.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Comparing the numbers you posted from Oliver to ZiPS:
Year-end Oliver wOBA || ZiPS OBP/SLG:
Perez .297 || .303/.393
Hosmer .349 || .354/.474
Giavotella .316 || .320/.384
Escobar .268 || .309/.366
Moustakas .321 || .316/.436
Gordon .354 || ..358/.464
Francoeur .320 || .314/.437
Butler .362 || .362/.462
Cain .314 || ..314/.370
It looks to me like ZiPS is, on average, a little more bullish on Royals hitters than Oliver was when you grabbed their numbers. Butler and Cain’s projections match up between the two systems, but everyone else does a little better in ZiPS.
Escobar does some 30+ points of wOBA better in the ZiPS projections. I wonder why.
Have the 2012 Oliver projections come out yet?
I know they are behind a pay wall, but does anyone have access to them?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know
But it is possible that Oliver’s projections are based on the assumption of a lower scoring environment than ZiPS assumes. I know the ZiPS projections are based on an assumed AL ERA of 4.19 which is a little higher than the 2011 AL scoring environment. I don’t know what Oliver assumes, but if it’s a little lower, that we’d expect Oliver to project a slightly lower team wOBA even if it has no difference of opinion on the team’s TTL.
True enough. And of course a lower scoring environment assumption would also show itself in pitching projections. And if Oliver assumes a lower scoring environment than ZiPS, then their pitching projections would likely be more positive for the Royals than ZiPS.
I think projecting a run environment a little higher than 2011 makes sense. I think that’s safe and fair looking at recent seasons. And I believe those Oliver numbers were late season “rest of season” values, so they were based on 2011’s scoring environment. I have to think that for their actual 2012 projections, they would alter the run environment somewhat.
Regardless, I’d just like to see the full set of numbers for the Royals if anyone has access to Oliver’s 2012 projections.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
“I think projecting a run environment a little higher than 2011 makes sense. I think that’s safe and fair looking at recent seasons. "
I hope so! That reasoning didn’t work out that well for me in predicting a little higher than 2010 for 2011 – I missed horribly on offensive levels for 2011 and it’s only slightly mitigated by the fact that most people did.
by D.Szymborski on Jan 17, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
You do buffer yourself nicely against environment fluctuations pretty nicely by displaying OPS+ most prominently
I wish every system put emphasis on OPS+ or wRC+ as that’d make it easier to compare projections.
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They’ve been out since a few weeks before Christmas.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Re: Monte Carlo odds ratio
I’d love if you did it—they’re always interesting and fun—but I think they’re vastly overrated in terms of the value of the information they spit out.
Maybe you do it differently than BP’s playoff odds report, but I’ve found that BP tends to output the post-season odds given the assumption that each team is exactly as good as the sum of its constituent players’ median PECOTA projection. That’s a pretty huge assumption, and it screws everything up. For example, if KC’s players really add up to a TTL 78 win team, then naturally, a Monte Carlo simulation which only accounts for unpredictability in scoring distribution will give them very little chance of beating Detroit, whose players’ projections add up to 88 wins. But there’s a lot of variance potential in the teams’ TTL as well. Hosmer might be a TTL 6 WAR player in 2012 and Verlander might go down for the season, either of which would go a long way toward leveling the field.
It’s these sorts of TTL swings that boost the chances for a team like the Royals and take away some of the certainty for teams like the Tigers and Yankees, and I don’t believe BP’s playoff odds report properly accounts for them.
When I Monte Carlo the odds when doing ZiPS-related playoff/division projections, I also make sure to go with variable inputs as well. To get the win total projections, I actually Monte Carlo the individual player projections first, with the ranges of player probabilities (ZiPS doesn’t assume it has the player right and those ranges, as a result, are naturally far larger than you’d expect from binomial distributions).
So, for example, if I’m doing the AL Central and ZiPS sees the Royals most likely as a 75 win-team, it won’t Monte Carlo out the division based on the Royals being a 75 win team, but based on the Royals being a 75 win team a lot, a 74 win or 76 win team a lot, occasionally a 68 or 84 win team, and in some rare instances, a 60 or 90.
Can’t say how BP does it, though, that’s just how I do it.
by D.Szymborski on Jan 17, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I'd expect out of a good Monte Carlo sim
And I’m glad you do that. I might be wrong about BP—I’ve never checked their numbers myself, but my impression has been that their sims put too much confidence on their TTL projections, even well into the season when it was clear that their TTL projections were off.
Do you publish your Monte Carlo results? I’d love to take a look and see if your results have squared a little more with my expectations or if my expectations were just way off.
I might be using the wrong terminology for what I mean
I don’t mean "playoff odds, " I mean getting projected runs scored/allowed for each team which generates a win%, then plugging that all into the actual schedule to generate a W-L record for every team. Thus we take into account differences in scheduling and, more importantly, come up with projected records that come out to .500 on a league level, which does not happen if one simply plugs in projections (whether using WAR or run differential).
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I should add that I just know "how to to do it"
My knowledge of the theory behind it is sketchy at best. I did it back prior to 2010 for the Royals Authority Annual because I wanted to do it myself. Back then I just used the “straight line approximation” of log5 because it’s fast and easy (proj. win% – opp. proj. win% + .500) and log5 (I am told) is mathematically equivalent to the odds ratio for a “.500 entity.” Yes, I’m pretty sure I’m saying something wrong there.
It’s a poor man’s version, but I just like seeing if I can do it, and there’s some thing’s I’d like to do differently this time: like using Base Runs rather than lwts, which should give a bigger “spread.”
I only mentioned doing sort of a Monte Carlo version instead of just adding the probabililties for each game because Colin Wyers mentioned that it’s very easy to do in Excel.
I’m sure there are flaws, but doing multiple versions is too much work for me. Maybe I’ll just break down and buy Diamond Mind or some other sim, although that takes the “fun” out of things.
This may not address what you’re talking about, but while I get some of the problems you are pointing to, just adding up run differential/etc. leaves aside the issue not only of the league adding up to .500, but ignores that teams have different schedules. Most notably, they do not play themselves.
I need to decide which projections to use (for rates, no way around doing playing time by hand, which is the most time-consuming and difficult part of all), since I’m not automated enough to making plugging in each on in separately into a framework, and different levels off offense (OBP) means that PA numbers will vary from system to system. I want to use something that is freely available. Since Dan and SG (CAIRO) do their own projected standings, I want something different.
Maybe I’ll just end up using Marcels, although people would complain since Marcels is supposedly so much “worse” than the other systems even though the difference isn’t that big. More of a problem from my perspective is that I’d have to generate my own league average rates for all rookies (Marcels assumption — and believe it or not, on a league level Marcel doesn’t do much worse [I think some years it’s actually done better, can’t find it now] than other systems for rookies!).
Maybe if “Steamer” projections come out soon enough, I’ll use those. I think they use park adjustments and have MLEs. They did well in the Forecaster’s Challenge last season, and I like the idea of using a public-access class project.
Or maybe just the Fan Projections from FanGraphs, which also did well last year are are truly the “people’s choice.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think the league average assumption for rookies actually does better than real attempts at projections quite often. A big reason is that real attempts at projections will (correctly) project most rookies below average, but there’s a selection bias where the most successful rookies tend to get most of the playing time, which skews the league rookie numbers upward. So even tho the real projections may be more accurate on an individual level, for projecting the league numbers, it actually works better to just guess that all rookies will generally do pretty well since only the guys that do well will get a lot of PA’s.
yeah, I know that's why it works
At least on the corporate level. People are going to complain if I use Marcels, though. It think it’s going to be between Marcel and the Fan Projections.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Who does the Steamer projections?
And where are they published?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Jared Cross does (did?) them
http://steamerprojections.com/
I’ve been trying to find an email address for him since I wanted to assk him some stuff. Steamer did pretty well in the 2011 Forecaster’s Challenge. He’s a teacher, although it isn’t clear to me what level he’s on. From what I’ve read, Steamer is a class project so develop projections. They started with something like Marcel, then worked out different amounts regression equations for components, added park factors and so on. Pretty cool for a class project.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
i wanna go to that school
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
V Martinez out for the year
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/victor-martinez-suffers-torn-acl-likely-out-for-season.html
How does that change things? Is it OUR TIME now?
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consider me on board with going hard after oswalt now
i still dont think he’d sign here but it makes alot of sense to try
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
vmart has a torn acl...what does that do for the projections
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions
I can re-run it when I get home
Not sure who would take his PA’s though.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
there are some decent options out there
pena or damon could probably come close to replacing his production…cespedes replacing delmon in the field with delmon moving to DH might actually improve them. Although, projecting was cespedes will do seems rather pointless.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Real quickly
even if the Tigers just put Delmon at DH full-time and Raburn in left, it only costs them about two wins on offense, and might improve their defense a bit.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 17, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Even so, a ~10 win gap is now an ~8 win gap
Moore has work to do, but it’ll be 2 wins easier to get the Royals within striking distance if the young guys start producing early.
If Oswalt is a net 3 win improvement for the team
I don’t think he is.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on his health and effectiveness
Good chance he’s at least a 2 win improvement
The results were a 1.9 – 2.4 win improvement.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Martinez is about a 2.5 or 3 WAR player at DH/1B/C
Without looking at their roster or guessing that they sign a FA, I’m gonna assume they can get someone who can produce 1.5 to 2 WAR at DH.
The bigger issue, in my opinion, is gonna be that V-Mart provided a little depth at catcher and 1B. If Avila or Cabrera goes down for any extended period, they may be in much more serious trouble.
so, what you're saying is that i should be hopping on a plane to florida to send some shots miggy's way?
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
The first major break necessary for the Royals to compete has come forth...
2012: A Year of Blue Destiny
Killing time until time kills me
Detroit's win total w/o Victor Martinez, using ZiPS projections
I increased the PA’s for Raburn, Strieby and Santiago and moved Delmon Young to DH. The theory here is that Raburn would be the near full-time LF, Santiago becomes a full-time 2B (no share with Raburn) and Strieby gets some DH and 1B time. I have no idea if this is how the Tigers will actually deal with the situation. They still may sign Damon or someone else.
Win total (ERA-based) 86.4
Win total (FIP-based) 87.9
So in this scenario, they lose a net win and a half.
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