The Wild Cards in the Royals' 2012
We've all discussed how many games we think the Royals will win. We've considered the circus known as the Royals starting pitching, we've discussed the progression of top prospects Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, and others.
However, despite internet readers' apparent thoroughness in this discussion, I believe there are a few things that have not truly been considered. These things are wild cards, if you will. These wild cards could make a sizable impact on the Royals' winning percentage next year. Their likelyhood of happening is not terribly high--that's why they're wildcards--but their possible existence makes the unthinkable possible.
1. Michael Montgomery, AKA Monty, AKA possible ace.
Barring a setback or injury, Monty will make his debut with the Kansas City Royals in 2012. The 'when' can be disputed, as some of us (including myself) predicted a 2011 debut. However, Mr. Montgomery now has a full year's worth of experience in AAA, which means that a hot start or extended hot streak could mean a celebratory drive from Omaha to the city of barbecue and jazz. Much attention has (rightly) been focused on improving the Royals rotation. However, there is an outside chance of Montgomery becoming the Royals' Matt Moore--a young ace. If this happens, the entire complexion of the rotation changes.
2. The 2012 Salvador Perez Candidate
None of us predicted that Perez would climb to the Majors in 2011, let alone be the starting catcher the next year. This is because Perez was only in AA at the time. However, we should view this as an instructional story. Prospects can shoot through the system, having success along the way, in the case of a perfect storm. The same thing could happen again. When looking at the list of players who could do a similar run (AA to big leagues) in 2012, you come to players like Jake Odorizzi, Wil Smith, Chris Dwyer, and Wil Myers. However, depending on their initial placement, Perez candidates could even include Noel Arguelles, Rey Navarro, or Timothy Melville. Perez went from Wilmington to KC in one year's time. If one of these players did it, they might help the Royals in a final playoff push.
Of course, one can't forget the more likely players to debut, like Kelvin Herrera. The contribution of these young players could very well be significant. Or not. But it is interesting to note.
3. Mid-season roster shakeup.
Mid-season trades never seem to be discussed at the beginning of a season, partially because they are impossible to predict. However, what if the Royals are in contention in July? What if they need one final piece of the puzzle? Many of the arguments against trading for a pitcher this year are because the Royals are probably not contenders now. But that doesn't mean the Royals have to wait next year to trade. If they can strike this year, they might. How would it look for the Royals to be in the 'buying' group in July for once?
4. Other clubs' injuries.
We all know that the Royals will probably not avoid the injury bug quite like last year; sports teams suffer injuries. However, this also means that other teams will suffer injuries as well. Detroit's primary DH, Victor Martinez, is out for the year with a torn ACL. He posted a .330/.380/.470 line last year. What if Miguel Cabrera also went down? The mighty Tigers wouldn't be so mighty. We saw how the Twins looked without Mauer and Morneau.
All in all, the Royals might be closer than we think. Of course, they might be further away too, but what fun is that?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 17, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Good post
Your right about Detroit potentially mirroring Minn if they continue having injury issues. I certainly wouldn’t have a problem with that. Going into ’11, the twins were as popular a choice to win the division as anyone else and they lost a hundred games.
You never know in baseball.
It doesn't even take a huge glut of injuries
Just two. Of course, the same thing applies with the Royals—Hosmer and Gordon goes down, the Royals’ chance goes down the drain.
Why does everyone think that Victor Martinez was such a vital lynchpin to the Tigers' success last year?
The guy was only worth 2.9 fWAR, and he was the DH for all but 32 of those games. 2.0 fWAR DH’s are not that difficult to find, so I fail to see why his injury just destroys the Tigers’ chances.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Lynchpin--no
Important, yes.
How would you feel if Butler goes out for the year? He’s the only player on the roster who has shown to consistently hit well at the ML level.
More importantly, the injury amplifies the effect of other injuries on the Tigers; injuries start to stack up. If a 4 fWAR player goes down for them, then you’re out almost 7 fWAR, which is not good at all.
actually, 2.0 WAR DH's...
are not all that common, in part because all of the WAR has to come from offense. Konerko, Ortiz and V-Mart were the only full-time DH’s with a 2.0 WAR last year. The year before it was only Ortiz, Damon and Luke Scott. The year before that it was only Matsui, Lind, and Kubel. So only 3 or 4 teams each year have a DH that’s given them 2.0 WAR. It’s not uncommon, but it’s not easy to find a 2.0 WAR DH.
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by setupunchtag on Jan 20, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Thank You For
Pointing this out. DH’s must be .900+ OPS guys to be big WAR contributors.
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by philofthenorth on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think all of the young guys, whether they have MLB experience or not, could be considered wild cards
IMO, Duffy’s just as likely as Monty to step up and be a very good pitcher this year. And Salvador Perez makes an excellent Salvador Perez candidate as a guy that’s a little off the radar, but could be huge.
Agree.
Duffy’s stuff isn’t far behind Montgomery’s. But it depends on who pulls it together (and it could be both).
It seems that most proper scouting reports
evaluate Montgomery’s ceiling as a #1 while Duffy tends to rate out at a borderline #2 ceiling. Obviously, ceilings don’t mean that much as we’re talking best case scenario for both, but these ceilings are usually based on stuff/projectability.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Good summary of how we really have no idea what's gonna happen this year
And how the division is more volatile than years’ past. Hopefully the front office and Yost’s staff are prepared for a wide range of possibilities.
I kinda envision a season like the Pirates’ 2011 – a good first half, a quiet/cautious trade deadline, and a fading off in August and September.
I'm more on the optimistic view!
I say we will do much better then last year and we will make the playoffs’
I'm guardedly optimistic
The place we might have a hole is second. Cain should be able to handle center. Sal will be a pretty good catcher. Moose will be able to play third until he’s 28. Is Johnny G going to match up with these guys? Zips says so. I see him as a short-term fill-in for Colón.
Add one good starter and this team could compete, unless Yuni gets more than 200 PA.
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Gio's a question mark, but he certainly has a good chance at success
He hit pretty badly last year dampening our enthusiasm, but if he’d lucked into a hot streak in September, we’d be pumped about his prospects. His bat has been solid-to-very-good throughout the minors, he has decent pop for a middle infielder, and he has a history of taking walks without striking out much. If he can get his BABIP north of .300 and cut his K% down to ~12% next season, he’ll be a valuable 2B even if he’s a little below average defensively.
so was kila...
and cal pickering, and ken harvey, etc etc
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 19, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
except for the high round pedigree,
you have a valid point.
Nobody wanted those three to make it. Harvey swung with one hand for cripes sake! Pickering was destined for the T-Bones roster probly since HS. Kila?….sigh, man that was sad.
gia wasnt seen by anyone but the royals as a high round talent...
and he doesnt really fit their MO either…toolshed he is not
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 19, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, ok Billy
If it wasn’t for the highly respected Royals scouting staff taking him in the 2nd round, he probly would have fallen to the 11th round. What on earth was I thinking?
The guy is a major leaguer and will be for a long time whether he starts or not. High pick justified. Deal with it.
I wouldn't be so sure Giavotella is a guarantee to be in the majors for a long time
If he doesn’t hit, he is gone quickly. His bat is his only potential plus tool.
The vast majority of prospects fail. Why should we expect Gia will beat the odds?
63% of top 100 position player prospects fail in the majors. For guys towards the back end of the top 100, it’s more like a 75% failure rate. And Giavotella has never been a top 100 prospect.
Yes, he’s made it to the majors. That isn’t the same as succeeding in the majors. Few prospect evaluators like his tools. His defense is poor and many prospects that hit well in the minors never hit well in the majors.
Using that high draft pick on him was panned by many. It has not been justified merely by the fact that he made it to the majors. I don’t think there’s good reason to suspect that he’ll succeed in the majors. Given the fact that he can’t play SS at all, I don’t think there’s good reason to believe that he’ll even stick as a utility IF bench player.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 19, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
For clarification, what's the definition of 'fail' that your statistic is using?
Gia’s a big question mark. If he can’t hit, he’s done. I agree.
The annoying thing to me though (and I don’t know where you stand on this Scott so I’m not trying to purposefully argue you on this point) is that Gia, keeping in mind his minor league accomplishments, is looked on unfavorably while Christian Colon somehow is expected to be better.
Yes, Colon’s played SS but we all know he’s likely to wind up at 2nd. Therefore, we don’t know anything about his defense at 2nd, and then there’s the offense to worry about:
Minor League Triple Slash
Colon: .264/.326/.355
Gio: .305/.375/.437
So, basically I’m saying is that it is too early to kick Gia out and expect Colon to step up. There’s nothing to insinuate Colon will be a good player (or at least better than Gia might) in my opinion.
you'd be happy with him being a below average player?
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Given his 0 WAR last year, he can average 1.75 WAR over the next 6 years and still be counted as a failure by Scott’s metric. I’d rather Gio be really good, but certainly I’d take a cost-controlled 1.75 WAR 2B for the next 6 years. I don’t expect anyone else in the system to match that.
Given his 0 WAR last year, he can average 1.75 WAR over the next 6 years and still be counted as a failure by Scott’s metric.
I think that would put him right at 1.5 over his cost controlled years. So he wouldn’t be a failure by that definition. And, at best, that 1.75 WAR per year over those six years would be minimally acceptable. He would basically “succeed” by being better than other crappy in-organization options.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 20, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, 1.749 WAR
The point is that the 1.5 WAR per season average works for top prospects that you expect to be stars, but for moderate prospects like Gio, success should be defined differently.
Hosmer would properly be called a bust if he didn’t break that threshold. But I’d be fine with Gio as a steady, competent, but slightly below-average 2B.
i dont care what kind of prospect he was...
i dont want a below average 2b whether he was the #1 prospect overall or a 43rd round pick…it doesnt help the team win
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not many teams are above average at every position
Having a cheap, solid 1.7 WAR player is a good thing, and it certainly helps you win.
For a point of reference, Butler was at 1.8 fWAR last season.
I just don't see how being a solidly below average player is success
It’s not the worst kind of failure, but it is anything but success. That’s not what you want at any position. Yes, a team can handle that, but you certainly can’t say that the prospect succeeded in the majors just because he made some kind of contribution.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
By the sort of calculation you do all the time, a 1.7 WAR player is worth about $10M per year. And that play would be paid about $0.5M per year.
The replacement level concept is based on the concept that an average player is actually a very valuable asset, and a player that’s just below average is also quite valuable.
A 1.7 WAR player isn’t a flashy exciting player, but he’s a solid MLB starter.
Looks like you’re making “solid” cover a lot of ground there. What’s the boundary between “solid” and “poor”?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Would you say that Billy Butler was a poor player in 2011?
A 1.7 WAR player is a deserving Major League starter. As you get down to about 1 WAR, you hit guys that are stretched as starters but would be good bench players. At about 0.5 WAR, you start to wonder whether they should have MLB roles at all, and then at 0 WAR, you know they shouldn’t.
Relating this back to Gio, I’d be happy if he proved to be a competent, every day starting 2B where the FO will know that even if 2B isn’t the team’s strongest point, it’s adequately manned for close to the league minimum, and they can focus resources elsewhere.
I think his total value was below average in 2011. That 1.8 WAR was ok, but I wouldn’t value him very highly if that were his average per season production.
I know there will be spots on the team that are manned by players who aren’t average or better. But I can’t say that such a player is a major league success or that I’d be happy with a player turning out to be that now awful, but also not even average. Such players are better suited for a bench role. Unfortunately for Gia, not being able to play SS makes him a very limited potential utility player.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
This is a battle of semantics
We both know how valuable 1.74 WAR is. The word that you want to attach to that value is a matter of personal preference.
If Gio averages 1.74 WAR over the next 6 years, I’ll be happy with that level of production.
You might consider 1.74 WAR per season a failure. I can’t talk you out of that position.
But we can agree that nobody else in the organization is likely to match that production at 2B, and that getting steady, slightly below average production out of Gio would be a big boost to the Royals’ chances to contend since 2B will be adequately manned and they’ll be able to devote resources elsewhere.
But we can agree that nobody else in the organization is likely to match that production at 2B,
We know that? Are you talking about over the next six years? We certainly don’t know that. Colon might be able to do that. A surprise prospect might be able to do that. Someone drafted this year might be able to do that. Not each of those six years, but certainly during that period.
We definitely can’t say that no player in the organization (or who will be int he organization) has a shot at topping 1.74 WAR per season at some point over the next six years. That’s one reason why I wouldn’t be exactly happy to have Gia being a consistent below average mediocrity.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
What I meant was that there’s no player currently in the organization besides Gio that is a good bet to match a 1.7 WAR per year average at 2B.
Colon is the next best candidate after Gio, but he’s already talked about as a likely bench player. Colon is another guy that I’d be quite happy if he reached ‘nearly average’.
Also, how did:
But we can agree that nobody else in the organization is likely to match that production at 2B.
get turned into:
We definitely can’t say that no player in the organization (or who will be int he organization) has a shot at topping 1.74 WAR per season at some point over the next six years.
When you find yourself intentionally misinterpreting another person’s statements, it’s probably time to let the argument go.
I think we can only say it is unlikely that any player in the Royals organization will match that production (1.7 WAR per year) at 2B because the vast majority of prospects fail. By the same token, it is unlikely that Gia will produce at that level, as well as Monty, Myers, Starling or any other Royals prospect…because they are prospects.
Now, if you’re saying that Gia is the best bet in the Royals organization to produce at that level at second base, that is possible, but I don’t know. And, since others will enter the organization over the next six years, I can’t say I’d be happy sticking with a 1.7 WAR Giavotella for six more years.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
It is unlikely that any player in the Royals organization will match that production (1.7 WAR per year) at 2B because the vast majority of prospects fail. By the same token, it is unlikely that Gia will produce at that leve
Didn’t this argument start with me saying that 1.74 WAR per season from Gio would be counted as a failure by your metric? Then you spent some 5 posts arguing about how such uninspiring mediocrity really should be called a failure.
And now you’re telling me that Gio would have beaten the odds to reach that level of production, and that him doing so would be a pleasant surprise.
Full circle.
This isn't that complicated
Yes, that would have been a failure (1.5 WAR plus 1.74 per season for six cc seasons). And yes, that failure but with that amount of production would be beating the odds. The odds are against a prospect even managing 1.4 WAR per season. Correct?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Which gets us back to my original statement which you apparently found objectionable:
Gia could be a failure by that definition and still be a success in my book.
Yeah, haven't I been clear about my position?
Just because the odds are against a prospect producing 1.4 WAR per season doesn’t mean it’s “good enough” and makes him a success. It’s cool that that would work for you. It wouldn’t work for me. More specifically one of the key reasons you said it would be good enough for you was because he’s really the Royals only decent shot to produce at that level at 2B. I don’t agree with that (Colon) and then of course over the next 6 years there will be other options come up. That’s why I wouldn’t consider the numbers you hypothesized a success that I’d be comfortable with.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Really? What if that 1.7 WAR came cheap?
Obviously I would like to have a 2+ WAR player at every position. But +1.7 is not too awful, and if you can fill that hole with a reliably slightly below-average guy like Johnny G, I say we take that and spend the excess money on other players.
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I didn’t suggest we go out and spend big money on the FA market to replace this hypothetical 1.7 WAR player. We’re debating whether that would make him a success (1.4 WAR per season, on average over his CC years) and whether we’d be happy/comfortable sticking with him for 6+ years. I think that is setting the bar far too low.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
how does a below average player help you win games?
he’s dragging you down if you’re a good team
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
a lot of KC bloggers like to beg the question with Colon
but i would be careful using that phrase because it upsets people and they will be compelled to correct your usage.
he has never put up the numbers that Gia has in the minors but he is expected to be better in the majors than Gia.
we have never seen him play 2B, but since he plays an average SS (with average range) in the minors, he is expected to be better than Gia in the majors.
personally, after watching Colon play several games for NWA last year, i am not sold on his “certain future” as the starting 2B in KC.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is that Gia, keeping in mind his minor league accomplishments, is looked on unfavorably while Christian Colon somehow is expected to be better.
I’m not very optimistic about either of them. But I think I know what is going on with some people being more optimistic about Colon than Gia. With minor leaguers, to some extent, tools are more important than stats. Now, I think as a prospect moves higher in the minors, stats become more important, but that’s just me. Regardless, pretty much everyone has liked Colon’s tools better than Gia’s. And so they think Colon projects better as a future major leaguer.
I think both their tools and minor league stats count. And there is reason for concern about both, and some reason optimism as well.
So, basically I’m saying is that it is too early to kick Gia out and expect Colon to step up
That’s certainly true. If it were up to me, Gia would get at least 500 PA’s in KC in 2012. He deserves a good shot at the 2B job. And the Royals owe it to themselves to give him that shot. That being said, I don’t think it’s likely that he becomes even an average major league player. But it’s certainly possible. And the Royals have no better options right now. Colon might eventually deserve a shot, but he isn’t even close now.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
if i had to put money on it
i’d bet that they both end up as average major league 2B. Colon could end up being more valuable (as a UI) due to his ability to play both 2B and SS and possibly learn 3B.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Major League average is a fairly high mark and it is a performanc level that few Royals have been able to maintain over the last 15+ years. I think the odds are against both of them, both in general and with them specifically.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
you're prolly right
let me restate my position"
neither of them will be any better than average 2B at the MLB level.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 20, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
honest question
Are you still evaluating Gia’s chances to succeed as if he were any average prospect in the minors? Or are you including the increase in odds now that he has performed well in the minors and made the majors? I don’t know the actual percentages or if a study like that has been done, but I think a 24 year old second basemen who hit well in the minors and has already made the majors has a better chance then your average prospect. Once again, if you aren’t speaking of any average prospect then this comment is worthless, but I think his odds of becoming merely average are closer to “average” than “unlikely”. If there is evidence that proves otherwise I would be glad to change my opinion. I really hope your study didn’t include my specific inquiry because then my laziness would cost us all some time
Well, I don’t think the odds are good for Gia in particular. Yes, he hit well in the minors. But his defense wasn’t good. And prospect evaluators weren’t overly impressed by him. He was never a top 100 prospect. And top 100 prospects usually fail. I’m pretty sure non-top 100 prospects fail at an even higher rate.
Yes, he made it to the majors, which is a significant hurdle cleared. However, he hasn’t performed well so far. Long story short, I think Gia’s particular odds of success are worse than the average top 100 prospect, and those aren’t very good.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
For what it's worth...
JJ Cooper of BA thinks Giavotella will hit and the only question will be his glove.
Interesting thought about Wil Myers.
If he is hitting .340/.470/.520 in Omaha in the month of July, does he get called up? Guess who plays his position. However, I think Myers’ circumstances are different from Perez or Hosmer: 1) He’s basically blocked by Francoeur, and 2) He’s still a work in progress in the outfield.
Of course he's blocked by Francoeur
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If we’re competing, I could see Myers and a couple more B- prospects getting traded for a SP.
If we’re not competing, we’d probably have to wait until September to see him, unless there an injury to Frenchy, Billy or Alex. Or a trade of one of those same three.
I don't think they should trade Myers.
He’s our future RF, and corner outfielders provide so much offense (and he will play a solid corner outfield in time). Francoeur’s 2 year deal complicates things though.
Me neither -
Giving up 6 cost-controlled years of Myer for 1.5 years of Frenchy would be a bad idea, unless we got a great player in return.
But I can see Dayton convincing himself to trade Myers for Jurrjens in July because “Go For It”
If there is one prospect I dont ever see GMDM trading
It is Wil Myers.
by KCTiger on Jan 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
Word on the street is; Every team with OF needs wants a crack at Wil M. & we would be crazy to let a future all star/super star slip through our fingers. Fact is; every other GM w/ OF needs is licking their chops at the thought of landing Wil.
If we're competing on June 30
and both Myers and Frenchy are having good seasons, we ought to trade Frenchy for whatever he’ll bring, and the hell with team solidarity and nad taps.
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by Juancho on Jan 20, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Throw them in as part of the deal.
Let his new team give them out.
by OnixConcepcion on Jan 20, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he can get us Roberto Hernandez.
Isn’t that Carmona’s real name? If not, I’m sure somebody will have that name.
somebody ought to go to the DR, and obtain a birth certificate with the name Fausto Carmona on it
with the same birthdate and info that the Hernandez fellow sold to Cleveland on it. Then walk into the Indians FO and demand they pay him all the back salary he is owed under the contract they signed with him.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 21, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Is Myers going to spring training with the big boys like Moose and Hosmer did last year?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions
I assume so.
Quite a few players get an invite. Remember, Aaron Crow got an invite even after being demoted from AA.
Nick Van Stratten...
works out at my gym and is going to spring training, and if he’s going I can’t believe Myers wouldn’t.
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by setupunchtag on Jan 20, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
wasnt he on a major league contract?
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Major League contract helps with that.
And everybody goes to spring training of course, but it seems likely that Myers will be with the major leaguers this year.
That's what I meant.
I figured he’d earned a spot to at least go to major league camp this year. I’d kinda think that maybe there will be a guy or two that will surprise this spring too. There has been zero chatter about Arguilles lately, but I could see him getting a little run with the big club at least during spring games.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
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