Interview With Royals VP Mike Swanson
Thanks to Mike Swanson and Royals for the opportunity to interview him last week -JZ
Who made the decision to cancel FanFest and concentrate on the All-Star Game? There have been several different reports. Was it the Royals decision or did come from MLB?
This was a Royals decision. Quite frankly, the All-Star Game Fan Fest will be such a huge event. Parts of the All-Start Game Fan Fest will have parts or elements of our [Royals] past Fan Fests. It was an organizational decision. It is one of those things. There just wasn't enough man hours to put one of those things on [Royals Fan Fest] and still be able to get all the All-Star Game work accomplished to put on a show this summer. In this one case, in this one winter's case, it was the right thing to do.
What community events are currently planned for the All-Star?
It is an on going process on right now. We don't specific dates and times. Fan Fest itself will begin on the Friday. We are having meetings every month with major league baseball. They are coming here. We are going to New York. Between the Fan Fest, the 5K run, a potential concert, home run derby, futures game, celebrity softball game, parade, gala at the ball park the night of the home run derby. There is just a ton of events. The All-Star Game fantasy camp. The major sponsors of the All-Star Game, Fox and ESPN, will be putting on functions around the city. While everything is not nailed down, it is going to be a really hectic and busy week to 10 days.
Any idea when season ticket holders will find out their ticket packet options?
No firm date yet. We are hoping sometime in February and March is when we will have the tickets on sale. Right now we have everyone working it. There are so many things that have to go into place. If you have a season ticket for the Royals, you will have the opportunity to get the All-Star Game ticket strip. That is a guarantee. It is a matter now to figure out how many tickets go to MLB, Fox, how many go to the sponsors, how many are available for public consumption, the breakdown of seats we need for ESPN, seats for Fox's TV cameras. There is just a lot of things that need to be done between now and when the decision needs to be finalized.
Since contractually, not quite every game is broadcast, what are the main factors that go into deciding which ones don't make it?
It is a 142 game contact. 2 exhibition games, 140 regular season games. It is set with the pay scale on the contract with our rights. The decision is made by Fox with our input to appoint. A lot has to do with where they have equipment. If you notice with their TV schedule, a lot of the September games are not on because we are competing with college football in those areas. The time is going to come when we will be playing some meaningful September games and we will have more telecasts. The one thing I will tell you is that we will have 6 exposures on Fox national this summer. They [FSKC] will add 6 more telecats to the program. We are going to have to have more September telecasts than in the past. That eliminates 6 games the FSKC can't televise. So, of the 162 games, only 156 are available for them to choose from for the 140 games.
Over the last couple of years, the September TV games seem to be really few and far between. Can they fix that if the team ended up competing in September?
I think in the contract there is an out. That is where I think common sense will enter into things. If we are not scheduled to televise a game, but it will factor into the race, I think conversations between the two entities will fit it in and make it work. It is just a matter of dealing with the financial aspect of it because with every telecast, there is a rights fee for it. We hopefully will find a way to make it work. When that time comes, I am sure very reasonable men will get into the room or get on the phone and talk about it and get it figured out.
Is there anything the Royals can do to get the blackout restrictions lifted in TV markets that don't carry the FSKC broadcasts?
That is beyond the ball club. The blackout rules are sketchy at best, but those decisions are made back east.
Why was Frank White dropped from the broadcast team, and how much say did the Royals have in that decision, as opposed to FSKC?
It was a collaborative decisions. It was made by both parties. I have said it on more than one occasion and I will repeat it. It was not something that was done on a whim or an over night decision. A lot of conversations were had. There is a lot more to this story than anyone will ever know. It was a business decision and we will stick with that.
Since you were a statistician with MNF, what do you think of advanced stats and their place in evaluating players?
They [advanced stats] are fine to a point, we have 2 guys that work upstairs with Dayton. They are the baseball guys that do advanced metrics and all the numbers used for that. I am an old timer in the game. I am still a very strong firm believer in watching and seeing what you see every night. Metrics are nice for guys that put numbers on papers. I am a statistician, have been my whole life in one phase or another, but I am a firm believer in watching the games played and taking it in. Not taking in what I see on a computer.
After perceived hostility regarding the online blogging community, what (if any) change was there in relation to how the organization was going to deal with the growing fan base that was taking to the internet and writing about the team through less than formal channels?
I do not know where this hostility came from. This is new to me; the hostility between bloggers and us. We have opened up to blogger nights at the ball park and try to be informative as we can with people. We are going to continue having blogger nights. There is no hostility. It is not an accurate portrayal in any way what so ever.
How did Blog Your Way to the K get started?
Us reacting and realizing that it is more than just the general media that covers an event. Us recognizing that there is a lot of people out there that have opinions and it is basically our way of given those individuals, or a percentage of those individuals -- you can't have everyone here as a blogger -- we can try to get as many as we can over the course of a year or years to come, an opportunity to have informed opinions. It is one thing to sit at a computer, see what you saw on TV or read what you read in some other publication and form an opinion on them. That is fine. That is what opinions are. But if you would like to ask questions to people who have actually made those decisions as their lively hood, that is what Blog Your Way to the K is, an opportunity to come out an ask Dayton Moore what his thoughts are and why he did this. Ask Ned Yost what his thoughts are and why he did this. It gives us an opportunity to allow some people to get some informed opinions.
How has Blog Your Way to the K been received by upper management?
Everyone has been fine with it. It has been a very positive experience. We have made plans to do it a couple of more times this year. I think we will do it from this point forward. We will select the dates when the year goes on and promote them from within our website. We will do 6-8 people on a couple of occasions. It is a thing you can't do an abundant number of times because the people we need to make available to do something like this have to have their schedules cleared. You have to make sure Dayton is around. Make sure Ned doesn't have anything pressing. We open up his schedule up for that night. We still feel like it is something important to do and we aren't going to back off from doing it.
Does the media relations staff look at the blogs to get a pulse of the fans?
We glance it. We will read on occasion. There are times I will go on and read. There are times I won't. I don't have a schedule to do it. Sometimes I will hear about something that is written and go look at it when I have an opportunity and time to read. There is a lot out there. I don't have enough hours in the day and others don't also have the time to read all of it. But when we have an opportunity, we will look at it.
What are the most challenging PR situations that you have had to deal with?
That is a memory bank tester. There have been a lot of things that have happened in my career. I had an owner fired in Arizona while on the job. I had the whole 9-11 disaster when we were leading our division in Arizona. [I've] had the various assortment of player get in trouble with the law, but have had the good fortune of that not happening since I have been here. There are a lot of things that happen over the course of your career. You have to take a step back, take a deep breath, and think things through slowly. For one isolated incident, I don't think I can pull one out of my hat.
How awkward was it to have Tony Pena Jr. out of the lineup on his bobble head day?
Yea, you have to roll with with it. Things happen. When I was with the Arizona Diamondbacks, the Florida Marlinshad Matt Mantei bobble head night and he wasn't even on the team any more. He was with us on the Diamondbacks. Things just happen. You have to plan things out longer than the night before to see if the guy is or isn't in the lineup. It has to be planned out months in advance. In the past, people didn't understand that aspect of our business. It takes time to plan everything you do. You just don't wake up one morning and say we are going to have a bobble head night and have it that night. Sometimes things happen.
Dayton seems to be an illusive character, what is something we don't know about him besides his love for sweater vests?
I don't know how illusive he is. I don't have a problem chasing him down. He is very business like. He is organized. He is a detailed orientated individual who knows his stuff. He has more contacts in the game then anyone I have been around in a long, long time. He has made fantastic in roads with a lot of people in baseball. His passion for what he does and the passion for the people that work with him may be unmatched with the other GMs I have ever worked with. I have worked with a ton in the game.
He has a low, if no, ego. It's all about team. The guys that are out there doing the grunt work to make this organization look good. Turning every rock over for a player's perspective. He was one of those guys. He respects and understands what those guys do. It didn't take much for me to come from another organization to work with a man like that. He is all baseball and knows his stuff.
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well done. excited for the all star game, sounds like it is going to be quite the event.
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
by splitty on Jan 17, 2012 1:11 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Yes, Way To
Stick it to the man
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 17, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Disappointed the most challenging PR situation did not get a more entertaining answer
Usually PR types have a funny story ready to go. Maybe the blogger hostility question put him on the defensive.
Good work on the interview. The TV question yielded very good information.
was the blogger hostility question directed toward the Rany situation?
One in not familiar with, only in passing.
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
by splitty on Jan 17, 2012 1:27 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Yes, I should have been more specific.
I thought being vague was the better approach. It didn’t work.
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the compliments.
He was very forth coming with every answer. Plan on more in the future once I forget how much of a pain it is to transcribe the interview.
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
we should get a Rant interview... We did get Neyer
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
alot isn't a word.
by averagegatsby on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I look forward to a season where we will have
a couple more opportunities to receive an informed opinion from the Royals decision makers. Until then I’ll just have to try not to think too much on my own.
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any ideas on where we can get more info on Blackout restrictions and how to lobby against them
it seemed he didnt know a lot, and i believe him. so where might we start digging to find the people who are involved with these decisions???
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions
You might want to start with this guy:

Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 17, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Which Is He?
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/elusive.html
When a lawyer alludes to his client’s poor mother, he is being allusive. When the mole keeps eluding the traps you’ve set in the garden, it’s being elusive. We also speak of matters that are difficult to understand, identify, or remember as elusive. Illusions can be illusive, but we more often refer to them as illusory.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 17, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Thursday
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 17, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
All I know is...
MLB hates the state of Iowa.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
alot isn't a word.
by averagegatsby on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
and it hates Oklahoma.
i am blackout from 4 teams games. all of which are at least 300 miles away from where i live, and none of their games are carried by any of the local cable providers.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 17, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I used to be blacked out for Mariners games
Which is only a 13 hour drive away.
I’m now blacked out from Twins games, which is a much bigger pain in the ass for obvious reasons. They are 16 hours drive away.
Edgar knows best.
And Blue Jays
But I can actually watch those on TV if I wanted to, unlike Seattle and Minny.
Edgar knows best.
We all hate Oklahoma
by Rufus R. Jones on Jan 17, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
great job Jeff
I thought he was surprisingly forthcoming. Good to hear the blog nights are going to continue.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
Mike Swanson...
certainly sounds like a PR guy. Engaged, but detatched. Info, but no insight. Word dance, cha, cha, cha. Sorry, but I’ll pass on the next article involving him.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
No word on breakfast day at the K?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 17, 2012 6:20 PM EST reply actions
Shoulda grilled him on bringing back Halter Top Day.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
was it peteofthenorth who was regaling us with stories of that lovely promotion
or someone else?
batter nine you sucky
pete is his evil step brother
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Jan 18, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A lot of familiar (and unfortunate) themes
The eyeball test trumps any statistical analysis.
The Royals have a grrrrrrreat relationship with the blogosphere.
Moore apparently has no ego, never mind the hissy fits the FO used to throw when anyone would dare criticize them.
Nice questions, Jeff, but I was disappointed by the answers.
by DarthYoshi on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The goos thing is
Just by granting the interview, they are acknowledging the blogging community and the stat crowd. They like the pub and attention they get from us. But let there be no mistake…we are not to be trusted.
The mainstream media (TV/radio/newspaper) can be blackballed. We have nothing to lose. They don’t have us by the balls. Its what makes it what it is. Its why we’re on here instead of gobbling up Kietzman, Mellinger, etc al.
Besides- we already know too much…
by Rufus R. Jones on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*Good thing, goos thing...whatever
by Rufus R. Jones on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like the "Info but no insight" from above
Thanks for the interview, Jeff. Glad for the interview and the access we’re getting. I really liked the 2nd and 3rd to last questions and answers- felt like a chance for him to open up just a little more. And the baseball telecast stuff is good- I like that we have 6 national games this year. You know he wasn’t going to touch the Frank White situation with a 10’ pole and no one in the org probably should- there’s no benefit to them.
I try to give the FO the benefit of the doubt, but, wow, every time we get another answer, it’s amazing how allergic they are to stats. “Hey, you used to be a stat guy” “It’s all about watching people!” It’s like they go out of the way to mention how scouting-based they are.
are you actually concerned about the PR guy's opinion on stats?
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
thats like being concerned about if the hot dog vendor knows what WAR is
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
The peanut vendor is very good with stats and knowledge.
Have’nt seen him on here in awhile though.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Haven't
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 19, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose that's true
It’s just the “hey, I’m a stats guy” and then repeats it. Then, goes on to talk about how it’s more important about watching the game, etc. Yeah, probably over analyzing on my part.
he was at one point a statistician in the
‘i added up yards and carries and completion percentage’ meaning of the word
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
You mean this isn't the guy that invented DYAR?
Wish I’d known that before I read the whole damn thing.
doubles x outfield assists / visible teeth = winner
by Coup Day'ton on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it gets under my skin when people say they are “stats guys” but what that means to them is looking at batting average and ERA….and sometimes even OBP! That makes you a “stats guy” about as much as the fact that I have taken pictures with my camera makes me a photographer.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
give the guy a break...
jeff brought up his time keeping stats for MNF and then tried to relate that to advanced stats. they are pretty unrelated. i could care less what his opinions on advanced stats are. he’s not in baseball ops and if our baseball ops guys are taking baseball advice from our PR guy then we have bigger issues.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
this would be like asking someone to know about gourmet food
b/c they once worked at burger king
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t talking about whether or not it is important than a PR guy in the organization knows about stats. I was just speaking in general. I often hear fans, broadcasters, coaches and FO personnel say that they are really into stats, and then show that they aren’t familiar with any statistical development post-1980. I don’t really care about Swanson’s stat knowledge. I hope he’s a good PR guy, I guess. Mostly I don’t care, period. I was just sharing a pet peeve of mine that happens to include Swanson.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t even give his answer to that question a second thought until you all started talking about it here. Having considered it some, I think there’s at least some reason to be peeved.
Swanson’s job isn’t to crunch numbers or make player personel decisions, so his ability to calculate wOBA or intelligently discuss the merits of SIERA vs. xFIP doesn’t interest me too much. But it is his job to project the team’s desired image (and the man in charge of communications and broadcasting ought to be able to do that in an interview).
When Jeff asked him what he thinks of “advanced stats and their place in evaluating players,” he had several options. He could have said something about the way stats are used by broadcasters (since that’s his actual experience). He could have replied by talking about whatever interesting things the Royals are doing with stats (and, as the PR man, he would know these things if the team had any interest in being perceived as forward-thinking in that area). He could also have respectfully said that his prior experience and knowledge doesn’t qualify him to offer much insight into advanced statistical baseball analysis.
Well, he did obliquely give a that’s-not-my-job answer, by noting that “two guys work upstairs with Dayton” in some vaguely numerical capacity. But he prefaced that by somewhat dismissively noting that stats “are fine to a point.” Then, he went on to parrot some mildly condescending cliches about how “metrics are nice for guys that put numbers on papers,” before finishing it off with:
I am a firm believer in watching the games played and taking it in. Not taking in what I see on a computer.
Frankly, when the PR guy seems to be reading from the Joe Morgan Playbook (and that is exaclty what Swanson is politely doing here), I think it says something about the organization. It isn’t worth blowing this out of proportion, since none of us are surprised. After all, we already have plenty of evidence regarding the Royals’ attitude towards stats (both in what the FO does and in what it says). But this kind of dismissive and mildly condescending attitude from the PR boss is not meaningless.
by kcemigre on Jan 18, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I found the “two guys work upstairs with Dayton” line telling. Most have been willing to assume that there is a three-man statistical analysis team, led by and including Jin Wong and two stat analysts. But from his resume and what he said about stats, it didn’t sound to me like Jin Wong was really an analyst. He sounded like a baseball guy who managed a wide array of things in “baseball administration.” Swanson confirmed that there are only two “stats guys.” And they report to Wong, who is their supervisor, who is not an analyst.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
'stats are fine to a point'
is 100% correct. any team that is using 100% stats is doing it just as wrong as those who are doing it 100% based on scouting.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 18, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
And he said much more than that
Including the condescending “watch the games, don’t take it in on a computer” line.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
and while that could be taken as condescending....
its not inaccurate. nobody can get the full picture of a player simply by looking at the stats.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 18, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
No
“stats are fine to a point” is not inaccurate. But “I am a firm believer in watching the games played and taking it in. Not taking in what I see on a computer” is neither fair nor accurate. That quote is not saying, ‘hey we have to use both stats and scouting!" It’s saying “do one (scouting), not the other (stats).”
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
And he's a PR guy
PR guys don’t have personal opinions. At least, not that they share when they have their professional hat on.
He wouldn’t say it unless it was org policy, official or otherwise. Which is worrying, to put it mildly (though not suprising).
Edgar knows best.
It certainly sounds consistent with everything we've heard and seen from the Royals front office
The organizational message is in line with The Process. They have a message and they are sticking to it.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I read it as him saying
I am a firm believer in watching the games played and taking it in. Not taking in what I see on a computer.
“I enjoy watching the games live/TV, but not as much simply reading about/viewing the statistical performances.” Bland and old school, but not exactly an unexpected or aggravating answer (for me). Especially when a PR guy says “you have to watch the Royals to appreciate them” – that’s his job, to get people to watch the Royals!
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
If Tim Scott at the K doesn't know what WAR is, its a sign this organization is screwed

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Nice interview - Jose Guillen
As I read the question about challenging PR situations I thought for sure he would bring up Jose Guilen. What a piece of work he was.
Living in Rochester NY I have limited acess to the Royals. I have been a fan since the George Brett days. The roughest part is the season is usually over sometime prior to July.
I am lucky if I get to see 2-3 games a year on TV. Mostly away games at the Whitesox are the ones I catch that I DVR or when I go out to a bar and they have the ticket I ask if they will put them on.
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Alaska; mlb.tv is my salvation. I get the occasional WGN White Sox on satellite TV, but I live and die with the mlb.tv feeds. The best $120.00 a year I spend, easily.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 23, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
My only issue with MLB.tv is not feeling free to pause it and then fast-forward effectively through the commercials.
Last year, I cancelled the MLB Extra Innings package I had on DirecTV in favor of MLB.tv (which I can watch through my PS3), but they kept giving me the HD feed for free, so that’s how I watched. Not sure which way I’ll go this year.
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