jonathan sanchez $5.6M plus pbs. #royals

jonathan sanchez $5.6M plus pbs. #royals

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And

Hoch at 3.51
Paulino at 1.9

per Rustin Dodd

by Loose Seal on Jan 17, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions

Gordon is all that's left

And hopefully we hear about an extension, not an arb buyout.

by WURoyal on Jan 17, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions

FWIW, the Butler extension came after the two sides exchanged arb. figures

So there’s still hope.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions

your numbers were pretty close on everyone so far

by Gopherballs on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions

Sanchez $5.6 +.2 million. Melky $6 million. looks like a push from the $$$ standpoint

by DickHowser4ever on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions

Don't forget about Verdugo

The final piece of the championship puzzle.

by thelaundry on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions

PBS is doing a doc on Sanchez?

Sweet. I predict it will be titled: Wild Man and his Huge Whip

…alright thats bad.

by Bronzillo on Jan 17, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions

In related news.

Alex Gordon filed at $5.45MM, while the Royals countered at $4.15MM.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Jan 17, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions

I think the Royals are closer

MLBTR’s metric predicted $4.3M.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions

I guess that tells you why the extention has not yet been completed,

The two sides are about 20% apart on Gordon’s value.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions

…which could be a result of the fact that they’re about to extend him and neither side has actually put any effort into negotiating arbitration numbers.

by kcemigre on Jan 17, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions

Or, to be more precise...

…Gordon’s arbitration filing isn’t really about arbitration.

If he’s negotiating a long-term deal, it makes sense for him to maintain an aggressive posture regarding his own current value.

The risk he takes right now is committing himself to an unsupportable position in arbitration. But that risk might be significantly mitigated if he really believes that an arbitrator will not actually be making the final decision because they are close to terms on a multi-year extension.

by kcemigre on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions

That really should have said:

“…might not really be about arbitration.”

I don’t claim to know what’s going on. I’m just positing the possibility, given that we know they’re negotiating a long-term deal.

by kcemigre on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions

itd seem smart...

even if they werent negotiating an extension…moore doesnt go to arb so there’s very little risk in being ultra aggressive with your arb number. that might get you an extra 50k or so, or you might end up where you were going to in the pre arb agreement.

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jan 17, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions

I think many of the arbitration numbers I’ve seen reflect this. What the player is asking for is so high, that they seriously endanger their chance of success at a hearing. But, since most times numbers are exchanged there ends up being a settlement near the midpoint, I think they are just trying to move the midpoint as high as reasonably possible. In short, they are playing for the settlement, not the hearing. I hope Gordon is playing for the first year value of his long-term contract. If it happens, I predict year one is for $5-5.25M.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions

Hopefully they're not so far apart in his overall value

But I could see them disagree on his arbitration value, given how an arbitrator might look at his 2010 and 2011 seasons.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 17, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions

Sanchez

I hope he has a huge year with the royals. He will be very important part to the success of the royals if he has a great year.

by Royalsfansincebirth87 on Jan 18, 2012 9:35 AM EST reply actions

Is Sanchez an extension candidate?

I always assumed he’d be gone by 2013, since we already have Hoch in ‘13 and ’14, Paulino in ’13 and ’14, Chen in ’13, and Duffy/Monty/Dwyer/Odorizzi til whenever. But Sanchez is only 29 so his performance shouldn’t fall off a cliff anytime soon. He’s certainly not a # 1 starter and probably not a #2. Maybe a #3, though. If that’s the case, we’d still be lacking a #1 and a #2 starter in ’13 and beyond, unless one of our current guys steps up into that role.

So, we have 10 months of exclusive negotiating with him – what should we do with it?

(also, this is another reason why the 2nd year of Chen’s contract looks like a huge mistake, but lets not dwell on that)

by Loose Seal on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions

Sanchez is only 29 so his performance shouldn’t fall off a cliff anytime soon

It fell off a cliff in 2011, both in terms of health and performance.

There’s a possibility that if he’s healthy and pitches well for four months that the Royals might consider trying to extend him. But he’d still be risky. But they might also trade him at the deadline if he looks good through mid-July.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions

Seems like the biggest change in 2011 was his BBs

BBs went up about 1.5 BBs/9. That caused his ERA, FIP, and xFIP to balloon too.

His BABIP also went up, his FB velocity decreased and he threw it less. Plus, judging by his perihperals, his 2010 looked like a somewhat lucky year in terms of ERA.

The injuries – bicep tendinitis, ankle sprain – make his health a little worrisome, but more of a yellow flag than a red flag to me. Plus that might help explain his 2011:

(sore bicep → slower fastball → more change-ups → more nibbling on the corners → more walks)

My verdict is that he should be strongly considered for a 3 year, $7-8MM/year deal IF he regains his fastball velocity, lowers the walks, maintains the other numbers, and pitches 175+ innings in 2012

by Loose Seal on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions

I've always kind of liked Sanchez

but I’d be wary of giving him a 3-year deal (2013-15). If he looks good this year, I’d much rather do 1-year + club option. But his market value would be higher than that, and he likely wouldn’t be interested.

I guess the key is that I’d have to be sure that he’s more than another competent #4 SP. Because I’m confident that the Royals will have many of those, including prospects coming up through the pipeline who could achieve that level of minimum competence. I would really only want the Royals to spend millions on one or more SP’s that are pretty certain to be average or better, including 170+ innings per season going forward.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions

Same thoughts here

I want to see another good (read: better than average) season from him before committing to three years. But if his numbers are good this year, he’ll probably want to hit the open market where he might be able to get $10MM+/year. That’s why I think the Royals should really track his peripherals (FB velocity / K rate / BB rate) and health closely until July, and then either push hard for a trade, or push hard for an extension.

by Loose Seal on Jan 18, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions