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Was Carlos Febles Ever Good?

I have in my mind some notion that Carlos Febles was a good player once. Sure, it didn't last and didn't matter, but it happened, once. Right? He was some late Clinton-Era Mike Aviles, or so I remember, part of Dos Carlos. And then his sister married Angel Berroa (or something crazy like that, probably not that, but like it) and he rode off into the sunset.

Did this happen?

Age PA BA OBP SLG
1998 22 29 .400 .483 .600
1999 23 524 .256 .336 .411
2000 24 399 .257 .345 .316
2001 25 317 .236 .291 .363
2002 26 404 .245 .336 .348
2003 27 219 .235 .299 .260

What a strange career. There were always the low batting average, but some years he walked a little and had some decent power, but never in a consistent way. To be sure, he was a second baseman, but for his era the composite line was never even close to average, peaking at an OPS+ of 88 back in the golden light of 1999. What I like best about Febles's career is the absolute destruction of his final season. At age 27, with the Royals actually competing for the division, with Febles a seasoned veteran... yea... here's a .299 OBP and a .260 SLG in a high offense era. Nice working with you.

Star-divide

But was he ever good? Well, according to baseball-reference WAR, he was worth 1.5 wins in 1999 and 1.3 in 2000, thanks to positional adjustments and some decent defense. I definitely know that I didn't value defense at the time. Did anyone else? Was that enough to stand out in the loaded fin de siele Royals lineup? Not really.

Prospect hype? Maybe. Baseball America rated him the 30th best prospect in baseball prior to the '99 season, but I would have not known about that then.

Ultimately, the notion of Febles as a good player seems rooted in a familiar culprit: he started well. In the chart above you can see the good play in his cup of coffee in 1998. In 1999, he was a first half sensation. After 53 games in '99 he was hitting .329/.405/.546. It was a long way downhill from there. Over the next 345 PAs he hit .219/.301/.342, basically your standard issue Chris Getz line.

He followed that up with an rough 2000 at the plate (though he was still worth about a win thanks to defense and walks) that firmly established his actual offensive level.

Anyway, Carlos Febles.

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He was definitely somewhat I enjoyed watching play

Until I hated watching him play. It’s our time!!!

[Also, Freneau, it’s fin de siecle.]

by Loose Seal on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

One of my favorite Royals at the time

“Carlos Febles is the better member of Dos Carlos”

-Big Matt, circa 1999

C. Montgomery Hunt: One of the greatest heroes in American history.

by big matt on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

Likeable guy

But, yes, he sucked.

by Rufus R. Jones on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

My question

I don’t have much doubt that about whether he was good or not. (Not).

But I do wonder if he really was Carlos Manuel Febles, born May 24, 1976.

by UncleFester on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Carlos Febles

He was good enough to wear a ML uniform for 6 years.

by R_F on Jan 20, 2012 5:50 AM EST reply actions  

Does it still count

if it was between the years 1998-2003, and it had a “KC” on the front?

by Rufus R. Jones on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember really liking him

And being high on his chances of succeeding. Maybe I was just high. I was in college at the time.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

He smiled a lot, sort of like Frenchy.

It’s an evil, evil power that makes people seem much better than they are.

by OnixConcepcion on Jan 20, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

I always thought he was Yuni

Before I became aware that Yuni existed.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 20, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Not actually good, but he had his moments

Just didn’t have enough of those moments. He was fun though.

You may know me as NYRoyal.

by Scott McKinney on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

I remember when Dos Carlos came up...

and they were thought to have similar potential, other than Beltran was a year younger. After Feble’s first full season, with a .747 OPS, 10 HR’s in 453 AB’s as a 23 year old, he looked like he might be as valuable as Beltran. Brandon Phillips, at 25, finally put it together and had a similar season as Febles’s ‘99 campaign with an 88 OPS+ and .751 OPS. So at that point, it wouldn’t have been unreasonable to have thought Carlos could have turned into an even better version of what Phillips became. And that would have been close to being as valuable as Beltran was.

If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.

by setupunchtag on Jan 20, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

It was Luis Silverio’s daughter that married Berroa.

by seelztlb on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

For some reason I don't remember him on the 2003 team

I thought he was gone after 2002? 2003 was the year Berroa tore it up at shortstop and Desi Relaford got off to a fluke start at 2B. Wasn’t Mendy Lopez the backup?

It’s sad to think this was our only quality ballclub……in 18 years. Depressing. Is 10:30 in the morning to early to start drinking???

"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow

by Kim DeJesus on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

And then we had Ruben Gotay

Which for some reason I clung onto as the next Carlos Febles although he wasn’t nearly as highly touted.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Retro

I’ve been reading you’re top 100 royals list and rusty meachem goes to ray sanchez, I just kinda wanted to see what you had to say about the guy and can’t.

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked Bip

it could of been since i was 7 and thought he had a stupid name when he was here though.

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He's Smaller Than

I am, and he managed to not suck for 12 years in MLB. A .294 .358 .380 career line is very respectable.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 20, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

12 years?

I’m about to look up his career with the royals, thats an excellent line I guess I do remember him being a good player

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He had good years with both teams

Bip was a rule 5 and was aquired by the Royals from the padres via trade of wally joyner

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved Bip.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't he get in trouble once for throwing some firecrackers into a crowd of people?

Google is not my friend this morning. In any case, not as bad as shooting Karen Kornacki in the eye with a pellet gun.

by OnixConcepcion on Jan 23, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I Remember Vince

Coleman doing that.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame Neifi Perez

Then again, I blame Neifi for just about everything that happened to the Royals during that stretch.

On the other hand, maybe having Neifi around is what made Febles look really good at the time. In 2002, Carlos F. had an OPS+ of 76….Neifi’s OPS+ was 44 (in 180 more PA’s! – and we paid 4.1 mil for that!).

Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau

by aHorseWithNoName on Jan 20, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

I Followed The

Royals by newspaper in those days, so I thought he was good for a while. I was really surprised how quickly he disappeared. Now I see why.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

I remember when Dos Carlos was gaining steam, my dad said:

“Enjoy Febles now, the bubble’s going to pop soon enough.” I hate it when he’s right.

by Dadunca on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

Love the post...

thank you. I wondered myself- after the Balboni talks- how good our past Royals really were. I remember Febles being much better, but if he was much better I wondered why he didn’t stick around. And hence the post. Who’s next? Michael Tucker? Brent Mayne? Darryl Motley? Tom Goodwin anyone? Were they actually ever good? I don’t know, that’s for sure. I know I remember Jeff Montgomery being a lot worse than he actually was. This site has changed the way I look at players. Perception is one thing, but what do the “real” stats say?

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Carlos

was figured out by pitchers faster than Beltran- he had his Sophomore slump in the second half of his rookie season. He came back to play well in the first half of his second season, when he injured his shoulder and knee. (If my sometimes faulty memory is correct, it was on a collision with an outfielder) He came back and went great guns for about a week and a half and then re-tweaked his shoulder, and though he did not miss a game, I don’t think his shoulder was ever the same. His career triple slash when this happened was .270/.353/.405. I would take that any year at second. He also had nagging knee injuries the rest of his career after that, including a career ending one in the Red Sox org. after we cut bait.

He is a manager in the minors for the Red Sox now.

"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance

by KHAZAD on Jan 21, 2012 7:36 AM EST reply actions  

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