Mendoza for SP!
by beltran42 on Jan 22, 2012 4:03 AM EST
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PrintI'm a loyal Royals fan from Frontenac KS, (look us up, we're real) I won't pretend to understand the elaborate stats and charts I always see on here. You guys are way smarter than I am when it comes to crunching numbers, all I know is that I love the Royals to death and I'm really excited about their future. I would like to talk about the starting rotation. I don't have numbers and charts, just a gut feeling. Ranking my hopeful rotation are as follows:
1. Sanchez
2. Luke
3. Chen
4. Paulino
5. Duffy/Mendoza
6. Crow (he only has two pitches and I don't know why they think he can start) More suited for a RP role
I really hope Mendoza gets a chance, he proved himself in AAA last year. He started two games for KC late last year and had a 1.23 ERA in two starts. I know its a small sample size, but with Omaha stats, I don't think its a fluke. He deserves at least a chance in the starting rotation next year. In AAA he posted a 2.18 ERA in 144.1 innings in a hitters friendly league. Its Mendoza's time to shine, I just hope the Royals lock him up for a long time to come.
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So you would rather
Mendoza lock up the #5 spot over Duffy? I disagree. I don’t want Matt Cassel at qb, I want upside if that makes any sense. If I’m going to watch a team thats not going to win I want to watch potential, Mendoza doesn’t have that.
by Gordon4MVP on Jan 22, 2012 5:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm going to get in here before the wolves come in ...
Mendoza’s ERA in AAA and KC are flashy. Considering his career history, however, those numbers are unlikely to be sustainable. His peripherals do not match up with stats like ERA. He also strikes out few and walks many – an ugly mixture.
Now, guys outperform their peripherals from time to time. Bruce Chen is a great example. He’s been about a 1/2 a run under his FIP his entire career. It’s just rare, and one would expect him to even out sooner or later.
As mentioned above me, too, he blocks pitchers with more potential. Mendoza is not at an age conducive with a stark improvement. If you’re excited about the future, Duffy and Monty are more promising.
He does have good hair though.
by KyleM on Jan 22, 2012 5:47 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
His ceiling is as a 4/5 pitcher who inexplicably outperforms his stuff/peripherals. And I think he has about a 5% chance of reaching that potential.
But, considering we’re paying Bruce Chen $10MM, and considering that Mendoza would cost about $1MM for 2 years or 10MM for 5 years, I think he’s worth consideration if he keeps putting up good numbers.
by Loose Seal on Jan 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In his MLB career
The average hitter facing Mendoza is raised to the skill level of Chase Utley.
"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance
mendoza is at best a long relief/spot start guy
and i personally like teaford for that role in 2012. mendoza is at most an AAA insurance for injuries in the rotation.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 22, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions
Mendoza is
never going to be a major league starter in KC. I would rather see Duffy, Crow or Montgomery get that spot before Mendoza. Mendoza would have to have a excellent spring training to get into the rotation.
I think it will be Hochevar, Sanchez, Chen, Paulino, and Duffy. with Crow and Montgomery waiting to get into the rotation. Mendoza will be a emergency starter.
by Royalsfansincebirth87 on Jan 22, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions
You're not going to see a lot of love for Mendoza around here
The fact is that his strikeout numbers are really low, and that doesn’t bode well for his future success. Mendoza’s success in 2011 also seemed to come out of nowhere and was mostly batting average driven (which is a notoriously fickle stat), so we should be a little cautious about concluding that Mendoza’s 2011 was a new, repeatable performance level.
That’s not to say that it isn’t possible that he’s turned a corner. If Mendoza has made some big adjustments in his pitching approach and has become an extreme groundball pitcher with an ability to paint the corners, then it’s possible that he’ll be able to limit the batting average of his Major League opponents like he did in Omaha last year. But the low strike out approach to MLB pitching is a tough way to get it done, and I think Mendoza’s chances for success are pretty low.
I think it unlikely that Mendoza will pitch well in AAA next year
He has no business making anything but the rare emergency start in the majors.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 22, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions
If anything, he will probably play an Adcock role in the majors next year.
If he sucks, we should probably dump him. And he probably will suck.
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2012 is the year we shine.
Frontenac, Kansas
Bootlegger’s and Pickle Pete’s FTW.
Ricks Recreation...
And I worked at Bartos for over 4 years from high school into my first year of college.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
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by averagegatsby on Jan 22, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
We need a chicken poll
What is the best chicken in southeast Kansas? Chicken Annie’s? Chicken Mary’s? Barto’s? Gebhardt’s? The chicken sandwich at The Mall Deli? I demand answers, damn it!
I don't feel like Barto's gets near the love.
Barto’s
Pichlers Chicken Annies
Gebhardts
Chicken Annies
Chicken Marys
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Jan 22, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a huge Barto's fan.
Especially the gizzards.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I know how to make pretty much everything on their menu
The thing I don’t know how to make… Their goddamn potato salad. Its a closely guarded secret. I think only 3 people know how to make it, and all of their last names are Barto.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Jan 22, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Very fitting that Mendoza's numbers look awfully like Horacio Ramirez's career numbers
It is also pretty funny that his 2 games from last September get mentioned but Mendoza’s 4 disastrous games with the Royals in 2010 get blacked out.
by Gopherballs on Jan 22, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think the real question is where Mendoza should be on the SP depth chart
And it isn’t anywhere near #5. I think my depth chart would look something like this:
Hochevar
Paulino
Sanchez
Duffy
Chen
Montgomery
Teaford
Mazzaro
Mendoza
O’Sullivan
If someone wanted to put Mendoza ahead of Mazzaro, I wouldn’t argue too much.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 22, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I love that the Royals are paying their #5 $4.5MM+ this year.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 22, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
But some will say he's at least the third best SP on the team
I disagree. And then of course there’s the likelihood that he pitches maybe 150 innings for the Royals this year.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 22, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, ZiPS projects 131 ip for Chen
And that isn’t a usage issue. I think that’s based strictly on how many innings he’s been pitching, and probably his age.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
they also project something like 140 innings for will smith...
its hard for me to take any of their PT projections seriously when things like that pop out
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Yes, the playing time projections for minor leaguers are going to be off. But for regular, full-timers, these systems project the players to be regular, full-timers, based on the playing time they’ve had in recent seasons, and based on their age (perhaps DL time is also specifically taken into consideration). I think 131 ip is a very fair projection for a 35 yo pitcher who has spent a lot of time on the DL, has averaged 89.1 IP over the last four years and 147.2 over the last two years.
I was pretty generous by estimating him at 150 ip when I projected team wins.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 23, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I see it as a negative if Chen pitches more than 131 innings in 2012.
To me, that means that Monty doesn’t step forward this season in Omaha and doesn’t diplace Chen from the rotation. Or the same negative with respect to Duffy.
I hope that Monty pushes Chen to the bullpen in June.
If Monty pitches well in Omaha, he'd likely push someone out of the rotation
But I don’t think it would be Chen. The SP depth chart above, is my own personal depth chart. I don’t think it reflects Dayton Moore’s opinion on those pitchers.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
the guy with the $9 million contract is not getting bumped unless he is terrible
The odds are pretty high that by June one rotation member is either hurt or ineffective.
I think its funny you put Vin Mazzaro
ahead of Mendoza, who actually had a good 2011. you can’t argue that
much better stuff...
past performance, youth
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
its because
mendoza hasn’t had a chance in the bigs. When he does for the Yankees or Red Sox, when he gets traded for a bag of used baseballs then I’ll eat my hat
most pitchers with mediocre stuff....
and mediocre to bad minor league results dont ever get a shot
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
you just ignore the previous 5 or so shitty years?
and the fact that there are no scouting reports that talking about any actual change
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
All I'm saying
is that I’d rather see the royals give him a shot rather than having having a rookie come up and walk everybody and have duffy get rocked. I’m just a frustrated Royals fan and i’m sick of losing 90 games a year. things have to change and i don’t want to die before they make the playoffs, and i’m only 28, haha
i dont want to see any more shitty pitchers either...
which is why im anti luis mendoza being anything more than our 8th or 9th starting option
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
if mendoza
gets a shot to start and I’m wrong i’ll meet you at the K and i’ll let you punch me in the gullet. but can we agree that they will win 85 games this year?
atleast the Twins suck
Not many in these here parts think the Royals are going to improve their win total by 14.
I don’t think you actually want to be making that bet. There’s a very real reason that everyone here expects Mendoza to fail. He’s not likely to repeat his fluky success from ‘11, especially given the fact that the rest of his career in both the Majors and minors suggests that this 28-year-old journeyman’s ceiling is that of organizational filler.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
it would be if it were over many of the other canidates
and if you’re thinking this team is going to win 85, then they absolutely cannot afford to be taking risks with such little chance of working out like starting mendoza for any extended period of time
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
nah...i'll defer to moore....
who clearly didnt think much of mendoza last year when our rotation was awful and mendoza was still in AAA.
how many beers ya have tonight?
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don't drink beer
I tried to make a civilized conversation on something I feel strongly about and I get bashed?
And I drink whiskey
i guess we have different definitions of civilized
Give him a f*ing chance.
As a whole, Royals fans have been exposed to terrible baseball for 26 years now, I mean scott elarton, gil meche, darrel may, even Lima Time…….All i’m trying to say is let mendoza get a chance, what the f do they have to lose? another 100 lose season? might as well. you as*holes have made me sick of this. I’ll meet you in the parking lot at the K and eat some dogs and burgers, but you give up on the royals too easy. either f** off or get on board with MY royals.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
I regret all
my comments on Mendoza, I hope he rots in AAA. Everybody disagrees with me and I hope he coaches pitching in Costa Rica for rice and beans
Costa Rica's nice
And the folks generally eat better than just rice and beans. I don’t think they play baseball, though. You may be thinking of next-door Nicaragua.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
I'm glad we could all finally come to an amicable agreement
That doesn’t often happen around here.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Looks good.
However, I think I would put Mendoza ahead of Mazzaro. And none of those guys should be excluded as options.
Give him a f*ing chance.
As a whole, Royals fans have been exposed to terrible baseball for 26 years now, I mean scott elarton, gil meche, darrel may, even Lima Time…….All i’m trying to say is let mendoza get a chance, what the f do they have to lose? another 100 lose season? might as well. you as*holes have made me sick of this. I’ll meet you in the parking lot at the K and eat some dogs and burgers, but you give up on the royals too easy. either f** off or get on board with MY royals.
the fact that we have been exposed to 26 years of bad baseball...
means that now that we do have a decent team with a legitimate chance to compete, we should expect better pitchers than mendoza…
gil meche?…really?
the only ‘giving up’ i see is what is going on when the team starts a guy like mendoza for an extended period of time
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn't deserve a chance
Neither his most meaningful stats, nor tools warrant much of a shot in the majors.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
have the two best non greinke seasons in the past dozen or so years for a KC starting pitcher
pitch at an all-star level for two years.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
Beltran42, I'd like to teach you something about baseball:
Statistics never occur in a vacuum. They have real world causes because the players are human beings. As such, past statistics are very important. Sometimes, past statistics don’t have as much of an impact on future performance due to injury or other causes (Alex Gordon), but they should be considered. This is why many fans are skeptical that Jeff Francoeur can replicate 2011 again.
There are so many things to say based on your previous posts. While you have an interesting point that Mendoza might succeed (he’s obviously doing something right), everything else you are doing is contradicting your statements. You are acting childish, have incorrect or skewed knowledge of players, and are being hypocritical.
Here is a hypocritical example of yours: You had previously argued that Mendoza should be given a look because of his past season in which his ERA was 2.18. As has been established, his previous years have not been good; his ERA in AAA the previous three were 4.10, 4.53, and 5.14. Now, this is ignoring his Major League career ERA of 7.36. However, you dismiss the previous years because, well, you want to. Billybeingbilly offered Meche’s two great seasons in which he posted a 3.67 and 3.98 ERA (while in both pitching over 200 innings) as an example of his value. You, however, dismiss those figures because you want to. You are angry that others are offering other stats of Mendoza than the one you want to use, but you are doing the exact same thing in offering other stats yourself.
There are plenty of places on the internet to be a twat, as my teacher put it the other day. This, though, is a place for intelligent and respectful discussion of baseball, which you have not done. Heated discussions are fine. Heated stupid discussions…well, you can find that anywhere.
by Yodazilla on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
As I was reading this
the Battle Hymn of the Republic was playing in my head.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you know that he pitched two other seasons for the Royals as well?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that $40MM+ of worth that his performance yielded was TERRIBULL
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Mendoza, SOS, and Boom Boom
bite, suck, blow, eat, etc. We’ll be in real trouble if we have to use those guys. More likely that Holland or even Wood gets a start in an emergency, no?
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
Uh, not that likely
Teaford or Monty gets a shot before them, and even Crow would come before Holland or Wood.
Also, how many hours ahead of the east coast are you?
Seven hours. It's 4.09 PM here.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
Huh.
I’m more east of you and I’m an hour behind. Weird. Guess England has to do things differently.
Are you studying abroad?
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, hell, I study broads all the time
but I generally hang out translating crap in Barcelona.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
I knew you were translating porn betwixt three languages in Barcelona,
but Yodazilla’s living in England was news to me.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm at the University of Cambridge right now
But my ‘home school’ is William Jewell College in Liberty.
England still views themselves as the center of attention or something.
Still in the early stages of grief: denial.
No, this is me screwing up
Barcelona is six hours behind the East Coast of the US, as it forms part of the Central European time zone, and seven hours behind US Central time, which is why I answered wrong before. It’s one hour behind Britain and GMT.
It’s Spain’s fault stuff is all screwed up. The Greenwich Meridian nearly runs through the middle of Barcelona, but the whole country of Spain is lumped in with CET. And a lot of Spain is way to the west of Greenwich, so there are places where the sun doesn’t go down until like 10 PM at night in the summer.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
Yeah, I looked at the map and thought to myself, "That's weird"
But at least you aren’t in a weird country where their time is half an hour off of the others like some Middle-Eastern countries.
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