Sickels' Farm System Rankings
Royals at 6 about where i expected....equally good news twins 17, tigers 23, indians 27, white sox 30
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I'll take it
Considering the talent brought up in 2011, that is a pretty impressive spot to be sitting.
That article insinuates the ranking would have been higher
had the minor league pitching talents been better. Which means the Royals would have been a top 5 team again had Lamb not been Tommy John’d.
And or Monty and Dwyer developed control.
Arguelles, Yambati, Jason Adam, Sample. The list of guys with pedestrian or bad seasons goes on and on.
by WURoyal on Jan 24, 2012 8:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
6TH BEST FARM SYSTEM EVE...er...OF THE YEAR.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
I think this is what you're going for:
BEST 6TH BEST FARM SYSTEM EVER
by Yodazilla on Jan 24, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Royals (6th) vs. Cardinals (5th)
First, let me state that I think Sickels under ranked several Royals farmhands while over ranking several StL farmhands. I typed out a long and lengthy thought about Tommy Pham and a C+ grade and decided to just leave it at that.
The Best Morans in Baseball™ have bested us again.
Speaking of that baseball team from St. Louis
Is it wrong to want to keep a gun next to the door and shoot every Cardinal that lands in my trees. This urge gets stronger every day.
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not wrong at all
I was driving the other day and there was literally a flock of Cardinals on the side of the road. Probably 20 or 30 just sitting there in the grass. It took everything in me not to swerve off the road and crush them all.
It's not the poor bird's fault they named an evil baseball team after it
Show some compassion. Don’t blame the victim.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
Well, yes, it's wrong.
But now that I see it written this blatantly, I like it. Might even try it too.
Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.
Got me thinking now.
Could I get paid for the youtube video of me taking out say, 4 in a minute?
Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.
He also didn't mentiont he fact that 10 prospects graduated in 2011.
I mean that had to do with it a little, right? There is still more depth in the Royals system, than in any other system.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 AM EST reply actions
I noticed that all the other AL Central teams
are ranked fifteenth or lower, with the Black Sox near the bottom. I like this comparative difference.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
It's good. But those other teams still spend more than the Royals on payroll, so they can make up some ground through FA.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I don't think that the Twins or Indians have money to burn on payroll.
The White Sox and TIgers may, but not the Twins or Indians (Both small markets).
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
The Twins have been spending around $90M per, haven't they?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Last two years:
2010: 97 million
2011: 113 million
according to Cot’s
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Thought so.
Thanks for covering my laziness.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Twins don't really but that's because of other contracts already in place.
But who knows how long or how valuable the new stadium will be to the.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
D'oh, Billy posted this in the first place
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
The Twins are medium-market, as are Detroit and the Black Sox
KC and Cleveland are very small-market. A steady stream of good minor-leaguers is the only way the Royals can compete, because about the best they can do on the FA market is Frenchy.
I’ve been reading this book on the formation of the Nazi German state—how they transitioned it from a weak democratic republic to a National Socialist dictatorship while obeying all the laws. Frenchy looks exactly like a SS lieutenant in one of the photos.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
When Juancho starts talking, I rarely have any idea where it's going.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I'd have thought that with all of the ethnic cleansing that they were attempting
that deficiencies like “crazy eyes” would be on the list.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but you know Frenchy has the Führerprinzip
and it is up to the rest of us to follow his will blindly.
Actually, Frenchy was pretty good-looking for a Nazi. Göbbels was a shrimp with a clubfoot, Göring was enormously fat, Hess looked like Mr. Rogers, Himmler looked like a shop teacher, Kaltenbrunner looked like a Mafioso, Ribbentrop looked like a used-car salesman, and Streicher looked, and probably was, completely insane.
They gave the Nuremberg defendants an IQ test and Streicher scored so low that they tested him again and discovered he really was that dumb.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
and these people took over half the civilized world
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
And de-civilized a good chunk of it
Serious Nazis were really into crazy shit like Nordic mysticism and the Norse gods and stuff. Quite a few of them came from an oddball outfit called the Thule Society. They printed guides for proper Nazi weddings and funerals, and how to celebrate a real Nazi Christmas. Oops, that’s Winterfest.
What I can’t believe is that they held out so long against such huge odds, sacrificing so many of their own people.
Frenchy would never do that, even if his eyes do look a bit like Rudolf Hess’s.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
The Twins are a small market team by any measure
Certainly bottom third.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
except for payroll...
which to me is what matters most
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
It speaks to revenue potential
Certainly if you build a winner, you can afford a decent payroll.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Minneapolis/St. Paul is #15 TV market
with 1.73M TV households. I would call them mid-market. For comparison, KC is #31 with .94M TV markets.
"Yeah, the maple kind, right?"
And they're drawing from a fanbase that includes the entire State of Minnesota, the Dakotas, and to a lesser extent
Northern Iowa and Northwestern Wisconsin.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nate Silver did a very detailed, multivariate MLB effective market size breakdown a few years ago
1 Yankees
2 Mets
3 Dodgers
4 Angels
5 Phillies
6 Cubs
7 Red Sox
8 Braves
9 Nationals
10 White Sox
11 Blue Jays
12 Rangers
13 Astros
14 Giants
15 Tigers
16 Marlins
17 Orioles
18 Mariners
19 Athletics
20 Diamondbacks
21 Reds
22 Rays
23 Indians
24 Twins25 Cardinals
26 Padres
27 Rockies
28 Pirates
29 Royals
30 Brewers
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well he’s very wrong about the Rays’ effective market size.
His detailed multi-variate study must have left out the old, transient, and doesn’t care about baseball variable.
That's fan interest, not market size
Although their attendance has increased recently
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know there are different ways of saying it, but it’s not fan interest if you are counting a sizable number of people who will not be fans in any circumstance. It’s every bit as meaningful as a geographic limitation.
I would think “effective market size” would account for such people in some way.
by WURoyal on Jan 25, 2012 9:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's hard to account for that
Or even measure it. It’s hard to say how many people in that market will not be fans in any circumstance.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
is it?
most markets have had a decent run where you could tell what’s going to happen with success…its clear tampa fans arent going to show up. its clear that twins, royals, blue jays, etc have funs that will show up in huge numbers with success
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
In answer to your “is it?” question, yes. Yes, it is hard to account for that, measure it or say how many people in that market will not be fans in any circumstance. Can we recognize that it the effect exists to some degree? Certainly, at least in some instances. But it is difficult to measure it and count it.
Regardless, the above rankings show TB to be a small market team, and that’s appropriate. If one thinks they should be knocked down a few spots, I think that’s probably fair.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Jan 25, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
John Sickels Rankings
I give it a Grade C with a chance for higher potential.
Could rank much higher a year from now with improvement.
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