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uh oh...fielder to detroit?

so much for the V-Mart injury helping the royals

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Nine year deal?

If that is true, what in the world? I thought Fielder didn’t want to DH.

by BeauJackson on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck….anyone who doubts scott boras is the best in the world at his job should be shot…9/214

214 million can change alot of minds about DHing

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

I'm guessing they will rotate Cabrera and Fielder at DH and 1B

At least to some degree. That is quite a duo in the middle of Detroit’s lineup.

by BeauJackson on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

and next year?

some more vmart at catcher? some cabrera 3b time?

id imagine trading vmart would be ideal but his value wont be too high if he hasnt played after the injury

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about next year

Rotating those two this year will give them some time to rest. Seems like a good idea as neither one is considered great defensively at 1B.

by BeauJackson on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and, honestly, that might be a good thing for the Tigers, too

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Best for both sides

If it’s guaranteed, it’s about right if you don’t think Prince should have given up some money (which I do), but honestly, why not go for it for a few years and maybe eat it a bit down the road? It isn’t much different than how A-Rod’s contract is playing out, although obviously the TIgers have a lot less money than the Yankees.

It’s insane, but it’s not a “stupid” as people are making it out to be.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

the yankees smartly frontloaded the contract though....

so even if arod is an slightly above average DH the last few years, its not a killer b/c he’ll only be making like 16 or 18 million

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

it makes the burden on them less at the end...by a significant amount...

the PV of the contract is higher, but when arod isnt all that valuable, he will be paid relatively appropriately…which makes a ton of sense

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, kinda frazzled

I just mean that this was around what you’d expect (maybe a little more) given a certain average increase in price of a marginal win and player decline, etc., and for that kind of security, seems like the Tigers should have gotten a bit of a “discount” over the “average” rate.

Again, this is all speculative estimates over the life of the contract. Obviously, a heck of a job by Boras, almost no matter how it’s structured.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This is bad short-term for the Royals.

Could be good in the last part of the contract if Fielder gets real fat…which is a significant possibility.

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

Fielder can now afford a lot of Tofu

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by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I just picture the Simpsons scene ("Team Homer"- Pin Pals episode)

Where Moe tries to smash Mr Burns’s knee in and knocks it back into place

by sterlingice on Jan 24, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

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by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

Mother fucker.

I was having a good day too.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

The Tigers aren't afraid to spend

Considering they are getting guys to come to Detroit, that is impressive.

by BeauJackson on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

we can only hope.

drum kick

(I like Nick Wright)

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by ChrisCEIT on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The price of winning the AL Central in the near future just went up

I’ve never liked the assumption that winning the AL Central is pretty easy because the teams often suck. Almost every year, some team hits 89+. Now, we can expect the Detroit Tigers to win 90+ (I haven’t crunched the new projection yet). The Royals are going to have to become genuinely good in order to make the playoffs. The odds against backing into the playoffs by winning something like 86 games are quite long…in any division in any season.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

I'd be interested...

… to see those updated projections. At first glance Prince seems to be about a 2 win improvement over Martinez.

by Discolando on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Prince projects as a five-to-six win player

As a DH, even without the “bonus” for hitting off of the bench.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The contact is as horrible as I first thought, but it all depends on how he ages

at -0.5 WAR/year he needs 35.5 WAR for contract to break even or almost 4 WAR/year.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He could very easily get 20-25 of that in the first 4 years though

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by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

How can Detroit afford to do this?

They have to be operating at a loss right? Aren’t they the fastest shrinking city in America? It seems absurd to me that they can do this in their economy.

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by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

This

Hard for KC to compete with that when we have Scrooge McDuck as our owner, who has mastered the act of getting fans excited about signings like Bruce Chen.

by deezle on Jan 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Glass is just a normal, standard owner who re-invests revenues

And he does it at a higher rate than most MLB owners. It would be nice to have a special owner who appeared to be more interested in wins and championships than in staying in the black.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the numbers annually printed in Forbes are the best information we have

I can understand people being skeptical about those numbers. But I give that information a lot more weight than fan guesses.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 25, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Its still a huge metro

People are leaving the city, but the burbs are still well populated. 4 million people in the metro

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I was being sarcastic.

But really, Illitch has money and the Tigers still do great with attendance. And Detroit’s coming around anyways.

by rcpratt on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Detroit metro area dropped from 4.45M to 4.29M in the last 10 years

Still twice as big as the KC metro area.

Population loss in the industrial midwest gets wildly exaggerated.

by KSinDC on Jan 24, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Who in the hell was bidding against them

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

I'd guess Washington and Texas

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by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

the nationals and one major writer...

cant remember who, said there was another team close who nobody had mentioned

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Royals likely

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Texas

and probably Baltimore, since, you know, OrLOLioles

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

duh

Mystery Team

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a lot of money to spend on a 2.5 WAR gain over Victor Martinez

We’re basically talking a player with very limited defensive value… and 9 years! Still, it’s good for them in the short-term. Unless that is, they move Cabrera and to 3b where he can post a -100 UZR/150.

by jsolo on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, this is shocking to me

How in the hell… what the… are you serious?

I don’t know how this contract could possibly be good for the Tigers in 5 years. I also don’t know how anyone can beat them in the next couple of years without some pitching….

Can we please sign Jackson and Oswalt now?

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by CollininCalifornia on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

we sign oswalt and jackson

and we’re still where we started this morning…8-10 games worse than the tigers

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

and Prince hit behind Braun

So who wins if Prince says “I am going to play 1st base”?

Cabrera at 3rd is not realistic.

Someone has to budge and be the bigger man here.

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait to see he "Bigger man" competition between Miggy and Fielder

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by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I Don't Know

With Inge throwing shit like .197 .265 .283 on the scoreboard, Cabrera can be really bad in the field and be a much better 3B overall. Ordonez has jumped the shark as a COF, and at 38 he is an unlikely comeback candidate. Boesch to RF and Cabrera or Martinez in LF maybe? This would be in 2013.

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by philofthenorth on Jan 24, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, 9 yrs is stupefying.

but years 1-4 or 5 should be great years to be a Tigers fan.

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by CollininCalifornia on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just money

Mike Illitch clearly has plenty of it and is not concerned. He’s been running the Tigers in the red for years and also owns the Red Wings.

by deezle on Jan 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Were you the other person who rec'd

For “advances in fat-person technology”?

by sterlingice on Jan 24, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

ageed

I didn’t rec, but i LOLOLOLOL’ed.

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just for good measure:

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Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 24, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at some numbes, Detroit is playing as if he will be a 5.9 WAR player next year to make the contract break even.

I am not sure it will work with a DH. He and A-Cab are losing 1 WAR just for the move to DH. I don’t get it at all.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

good point, my bad.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

but he's a big name

thus it will totally work out and will be worth it, thus DOOOOMED

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

From Oliver, I get Fielder as about a +55 hitter

at DH, and without the bonus (i.e., a DH only uses league average as his replacement level), that puts him at almost six wins.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to complicate things

There’s also the issue of what effect moving to DH would have on his hitting. As you know, some players hit much worse as DH. Some hit a little better. And then of course we also don’t know how much he’ll DH. I’m guessing something like 50/50 1B/DH split with Cabrera.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I didn't give him the "bonus"

that ~5.5 is based on a -2.25 win positional adjustment since he’s never DHed before. A “standard” effect might be about half a win a season, which would put his positional adjustment at -1.75 wins (the usual post-hoc -1.75 wins for DH).

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

"almost six wins"

because run/wins is edging pretty close to 9.5 runs/win the last few seasons

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently the plan is for Fielder to play first base.

And Cabrera might move back to third base. Might. Which—is quite bad defensively I would think.

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 24, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting note worth mentioning here

Fielder played in a very offensive-friendly park in Milwaukee, specifically for homers. Detroit is one of the tougher places to hit home runs (anyone think he’ll crack three triples this year? haha). How this plays out, we don’t know, and I don’t wanna look at homer charts to estimate, but I’d guess (having seen a ton of Prince’s highlights) that most of his homers would leave almost every park. Just food for thought.

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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jan 24, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Times change

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2012/01/detroit_tigers_gm_dave_dombrow.html

After the season-ending injury to Victor Martinez, speculation has turned to whether the Tigers would sign free-agent first baseman Prince Fielder to fill the void.

Martinez hit .330 and drove in 103 runs for the Tigers last year. The designated hitter tore his ACL during off-season workouts.

“Of course we’d consider Prince Fielder,” Detroit Tigers General Manager Dave Dombrowksi said Thursday afternoon at a stop on the team’s Winter Caravan.

“But realistically, it’s probably not a good fit,” he said.

that was last week, this is this week

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Don't Prince and Cecil not get along?

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by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...werent speaking for quite some time....

twitter made it sound like their relationship is a little better now…he was interviewed on xm or something

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Detroit lineup could score 1000 runs this season. Kinda like in 2008…how did that season end up?

by KCTiger on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

here's his homer chart

it’s worth noting Detroit is a much tougher place to hit homers than Milwaukee. Not sure how much of an impact this will be? http://hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2011_678&type=hitter

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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

1.95 homers/game in Detroit; 2.11 in Milwaukee

not the BIGGEST ballpark difference, but it is one…. it’s also important to keep in mind what types of rosters there were there, as Detroit’s homers are probably about to spike at least some

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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

in 2011, I count 11 Fielder hits that would have left Comerica

based on data from this
http://katron.org/projects/baseball/hit-location/

2010 had 12.

There’s a relatively short porch in RF, otherwise he might be in big, big trouble.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 24, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Detroit's had was forced

they wouldn’t have done it if they hadn’t been outbid on Wilson Betemit earlier today.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Desperate Times Call

For desperate measures.

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by philofthenorth on Jan 24, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

it's better for lefties but

Fielder’s home/road lines

Milwaukee: 286/399/566
Road: 279/381/515

the road line is a good player, but it’s not the same

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

almost every player hits better at home

individual level home-road splits are almost irrelevant

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the gap was 29 OPS points in the AL and 27 OPS points in the NL

and Prince’s gap is 69 OPS points

To be fair to the Prince, the Milwaukee split was 107 points. Detroit’s split was 73 points. I’m sure they’re not gonna be panicking next spring when they find that Miller Park is friendlier than Comerica Park.

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But those figures are for leaguer average hitters

It you are going to look at an individual’s splits, they need to be proportional to his overall rates.

Even if individual home-road splits have reliable predictive value, which they don’t.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t he sign in Texas and enjoy the jetstream?

Because Detroit offered more money? I know it’s not a popular sentiment on this site nowadays, but it’s not uncommon for players to actually take the most money that is offered.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

especially when from what ive read....

texas has never had any interest in more than 4-6 years….we’re not talking a million or two…we’re talking close to $100 million

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa, whoa, whoa!

Slow down there, Adam Smith

by sterlingice on Jan 24, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

how big is the freakout gonna be if

Prince starts slow in April?

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

All 9 years fully guaranteed?

Wow, really? I would have thought that at least some of this would been based on vesting options, as in X PA’s = guaranteeing the latter years of the contract. A straight guaranteed 9 years at an avearge of almost $24M per year is pretty crazy.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

whats the last mega contract that wasnt fully guaranteed?

a player optout still means a fully guaranteed contract

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t expect a mega-contract to be less than fully guaranteed and I wasn’t talking about an opt out at all. I’m just surprised anyone would give Fielder 9 guaranteed years at almost $24M per year.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure this deal is any crazier than the Pujols deal

not that Boras doesn’t still have it, more a comment on the Pujols contract

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Twins are totally deflated

Now, instead of finishing 15 games out of first, it’s going to be more like 20

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

You don't understand baseball

To hell with those projections. Playing the game the right way adds at least 10 wins a year.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The Right Way

And on the field, not in mom’s basement.

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by philofthenorth on Jan 24, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That's one confused kid.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Trammell's expression is priceless, too

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I kept going back to this pic and laughing

Until I remembered that he just made 214MM todat

by spamiam79 on Jan 24, 2012 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

plus the other 37 or so he's already made....

his middle name does look like daddy fielder didnt know how to spell semen though

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait a minute.

John Daly was black when he was a kid?

by Black and Gold on Jan 24, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Does this mean that MIlwaukee

might start shopping pitchers around to re-stock the farm?

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

Probably not

This move is all about winning now and in the near future. They aren’t going to do this and then start trading away pieces that will help them win now.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Milwaukee or Detroit?

I guess I can see Milwaukee going into rebuild mode, especially if Braun is out for 50 games. Maybe Marcum is up for trade?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This is exactly what I meant.

I could see them shipping Zaq and Braun for prospects now.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

braun just signed a 10 year deal...

he’s going nowhere…they’ll rebuild around him

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Clouded with controversy about the dope,

and the 2 I mentioned are free agents coming up in a year. Unless I’ve miscalculated.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

There's actual traction around the thought that his suspension may get lifted.

My guess was and still is that he was getting treated for an STD.

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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

thats a widely held thought...

but i read somewhere last night that valtrex or other herpes drugs would lower testosterone….maybe he has a cooler std than that though

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd hate to trade decent prospects for a one-year rental for 2012.

Of Marcum, Greinke or pretty much anybody.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Even me?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 24, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd trade any 26-year-old that the Royals have in low-A or below for you

even a rental. Hopefully a long-term deal could be negotiated.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Only One?

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by philofthenorth on Jan 24, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

why would they start now?

pretty sure they never thought they’d have Fielder back

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed,

I was just thinking that maybe they start the process of trying to get younger again now that Braun is suspended, and Prince s gone for good. Could just be stupid thinking on my part, but I don’t see any way those two pitchers are on that roster after July unless they’re winning the division.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 24, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

They've got Marcum and Greinke for one more year

I think they are still going to go for it. If things turn south and they are out of it in July, then they would probably trade some rentals.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Brewers just signed Aramis Ramirez to a multi-year deal

replaced Betancourt with a SS who can actually field (Alex Gonzalez), and brought back F-Rod. They are definitely going for it this year.

by Gopherballs on Jan 24, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Pujols's deal could end up being over $260MM if he reaches 3,000 hits and breaks Bonds's HR record.

He gets over $10MM via a personal services agreement that isn’t included in the totaled annual salary of $240MM.

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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

is the language bonds' HR record or the current?

i think arod will probably surpass bonds’ numbers by quite a few

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, when it comes to this

“Sounds like #Tigers will have a rotation going at corner infield spots, including Cabrera playing 3rd base on some days.”

who’s the 3rd wheel in this rotation anyways? who do the Tigers have to play at DH that is better than playing Cabrera at 3rd?

Outside of National League Parks, Cabrera shouldn’t be at 3rd base for the Tigers.

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

I think that seems likely

I think Heyman tweeted that this year Fielder to 1B and Cabrera to DH. But I’m sure they’ll share at least a little.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I Was

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 24, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a lot of moving parts.

Kelly/Inge/Raburn/Young can all play left and Kelly and Inge can play third when they want to let Miggy or Prince DH.

by rcpratt on Jan 24, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

one of the 2 is gonna DH almost every game

or else they’re being stupid about it

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by BHWick on Jan 24, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think ideally they'd like to avoid Inge and Kelly.

Miguel at 3rd, Raburn in LF, and Delmon at DH is the best option for the lineup. We’ll have to see how well Miguel can handle 3rd in spring training to know if they can do that. Personally, I think he’ll be adequate enough.

by rcpratt on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I don't know what year it is.

I assume Delmon will get probably half the ABs at DH this year.

by rcpratt on Jan 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Has management actually been talking about this?

Even in the wake of the loss of Martinez? I really think Delmon Young is going to be the almost everyday LFer.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not publicly...

I’m just speculating. Delmon is not a good fielder and while I expect he will play 25% or so there, I really think Raburn LF and Delmon DH is the better everyday lineup.

by rcpratt on Jan 24, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade or non/tender Delmon?

Raburn will have trade value too.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 24, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, we are fucked

Surprise surprise, other AL Central teams aren’t just going to sit around and patiently wait for our prospects to develop.

I want to roundhouse Mike Illitch in the face.

by deezle on Jan 24, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

You've got it backwards.

This is a direct reaction to our Yuni signing.

by Black and Gold on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cabrera and Fielder

Does it get any heavier???

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by Arrowhead Alec on Jan 24, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Just walk

the fat fuck, and how the hell does detroit afford these things must be all that money they save not bulldozing that shithole of a city.

Shit + Shit = More Shit

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 24, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

Little Ceasars Pizza

Do these effectively hide my thunder?

by splitty on Jan 24, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

KCMO

is just as ran down as Detroit I’m just talkin shit brotha

Shit + Shit = More Shit

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 24, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Dont know what happend there but what it was supposed to say is KCMO is just as ran down as Detroit, no hard feelings.

Shit + Shit = More Shit

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 24, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome To The

New Kansas City, Kansas!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jan 24, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at it this way

I don’t know Verlander and Cabrera’s contracts, but if our window is 2014-2016, will they be able to have all those guys there then?

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by ZWal93 on Jan 24, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

2014 is Miguel's last year, JV is through 2013.

I think it’s fairly possible that JV extends or resigns though, hopefully…much more likely than Cabrera now.

by rcpratt on Jan 24, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Youd have to figure that with his weight

And the obvious yearly decline of “larger” 1B/DH guys, unless he continually puts up ungodly numbers, in the same fashion he partially is now, his value is going to go down. Not significantly of course but at least by 2014/2015 pending any extensions he’d be worth a few million less. Certainly not the 20+ he makes now. So the Tigers have that going for him.

And also who knows with injuries and performance. But it Miguel/Verlander/Fielder keep putting up their current numbers it would seem the Tigers would have to become the Red Sox/Yankees to make them lifetime players unless they continue to sell their middle level guys off.

by KCTiger on Jan 24, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The question isn't will they have them

Its will they have any other players when they are paying those three guys 70+ million to stick around.

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by RoyalPug on Jan 24, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA Prince Fielder is FAT!

That nullifies this deal in my world.

…Time to start planting E. coli on Little Caesar’s pizzas and feed them to old people.

by sumajestad on Jan 24, 2012 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

E. Coli might actually make it more palatable.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 24, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd like to point out that, while this is not good for the Royals,

it isn’t a horrendously bad thing. Here’s why:

1) Contracts. $24 mil/year is a huge amount of money, then they have to pay Cabrera and Verlander big money as well.
2) Increased Probability of decline. Fielder’s body type doesn’t do well in the long run.
3) Extreme defensive liability. Fielder’s bad at 1B, Cabrera’s bad at 3B, and VMart is bad (I think at this point) at catcher.

It would have been worse if the Tigers had signed Pujols, who is actually good at 1B.

by Yodazilla on Jan 24, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

David Glass needs to pony up some goddamn money next year and sign not just one ace, but two aces.

Enough said.

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2012 is the year we shine.

by Jack Marsh on Jan 24, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

In 2013, I mean.

I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.

2012 is the year we shine.

by Jack Marsh on Jan 24, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Won't need to

Our aces will have arrived

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.

2012 is the year we shine.

by Jack Marsh on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

But I thought it was OUR TIME?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 24, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS.

I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.

2012 is the year we shine.

by Jack Marsh on Jan 24, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saw it on the news....

And tiny err Tony Larussa is coaching the allstar game in KC… Well our pitchers will have to learn quick..

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

by Mas Cervezas on Jan 24, 2012 7:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

He'll make some brilliant move in the ASG

and the NL will win forcing the Royals to play game 7 of the WS in STL which we will lose. Plaza parade cancelled.

Book it.

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by KC_Satchmo on Jan 24, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading through the comments, a general summation:

He’s fat. He needs to get fatter. Cabrera is fat too. They are both fat. They both need to get fatter. Fat fat fatfatfat fat. Also, that contract is absurd.

We should trade for Vance Worley.

by JKWard on Jan 24, 2012 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

Or Verlander, Fister, Porcello and Scherzer

just need to blow out there shoulders.

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by KC_Satchmo on Jan 24, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The contract is too much, for sure.

But Boras had 2, maybe 3 other teams competing, which is really more than he needs to get an ridiculous contract out of a team.

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 24, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen the pics of young Hosmer?

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by KC_Satchmo on Jan 24, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

X

This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.

by KC_Satchmo on Jan 24, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I saw the picture.

And it is unbelievable that he has become a professional athlete. But that also included working out a shit-ton to lose weight and look a lot more like someone who resemble Eric Hosmer today.

Prince looks essentially the same.

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 24, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Point

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by KC_Satchmo on Jan 24, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit……That’s definitely him, I can tell by his chinky eyes

I'm just a sucker with no self esteem

by tiquanunderwear on Jan 24, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Racist!

They only look like that because of his fat cheeks.

by OnixConcepcion on Jan 24, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

We’ve all thought it, but you said it.

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 24, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Big. Balls.

I'm just a sucker with no self esteem

by tiquanunderwear on Jan 24, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I was watching that game.

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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

MAHBLES!!

Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.

by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a wonder he ever got out of

the internment camp

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by KC_Satchmo on Jan 24, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

too soon

Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.

by averagegatsby on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They should of

snapped that picture to the left and got a picture of a real player Paul Molitor.

Shit + Shit = More Shit

by Kansas City Keith on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Updated ZiPS projected win total for the Tigers

Here.

[Spoiler alert: they are probably going to win the AL Central.]

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

But the Royals were just one lucky break and one prospect breakout away from the playoffs!

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 24, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

:( Was rooting for the Royals. Glad to see Fielder out of the NL Central, but not at the expense of our twin AL franchise.

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