Your Reaction to The Gigantic Prince Fielder Signing
by Freneau on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 PM EST
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My Tigers Prediction
I had pegged the Tigers for 91 wins, considering Verlander, Fister, and Avila are all due some regression.
The Martinez injury took that down to 89 wins.
The Fielder signing takes them back up to 93. The Royals will finish in 2nd place, 9 games behind them.
Even with the pitching we added?
I was hoping the number for Royals up in the 90 range this season. Guess, we won’t know how well our pitching staff will be until game time. Do they televise, Spring Training?
you'll get a few games here and there on mlb network....
and normally fskc has two or so games on right before the season i believe
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
The contract allows for 2 games, exactly, on FSKC during spring training.
But almost all games on radio with Steve Stewart.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, to both
Then, I’m hoping the Angels game will be one televised..this will give us a view on what we will be experiencing on opening day. It’s been a long summer season waiting for baseball season to start. Wish it was today!
We're still going 162-0
So I don’t give a damn
I'm just a sucker with no self esteem
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions
They are critical spirits
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 25, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
MOAR FAT JOKEZ!
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 24, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions
YOU MEAN JOAKZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111ONE THREESIX
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 24, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Joakim?
I'm just a sucker with no self esteem
by tiquanunderwear on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
The Tigers lineup just go more interesting
Should make for some fun late inning moments in the coming years.
Which of the big $ multi-year contracts do think will end up being the best, which one will be the worst?
Reyes, Prince, Albert, or CJ?
by spamiam79 on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
My prediction
Reyes accumulates WAR closest to his contract. But the only of these to not win a division. Therefore still not worth what the Marlins pay him.
For some reason I think Wilson is going to fail to the degree of Zito
by spamiam79 on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
wilson cant fail to the degree of zito simply b/c zito got like 60% more money
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
and it would be impossible to pitch that much worse than Zito?
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
Frankly, yes.
He would never have that kind of leash. They’d send him back to the pen were it to become that disastrous, thus mitigating the damage.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 25, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Prince Albert Together
for some reason gives me a huge urge to roll some shit up
Shit + Shit = More Shit
by Kansas City Keith on Jan 24, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
do it.
I am.
I really don't even know what to say about the Royals anymore.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Should I be concerned that I'm not sure what this means?
Or happy that I have a suspicion but am not positive?
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
that or
get my dick pierced.. can I say that?
Shit + Shit = More Shit
by Kansas City Keith on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah pierced is a pretty offensive word
Shit + Shit = More Shit
by Kansas City Keith on Jan 25, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
1. Yu (young, great success that should translate)
2. Albert (will dominate for the first few years, should age well too I think)
3. Prince (he’s fat, but young)
4. Reyes (I don’t trust his hamstrings)
5. CJ (not an elite pitcher)
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 25, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like your list, and I think you'll be right.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
by setupunchtag on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Worst deal definitely CJ Wilson.
But I think Reyes will return more for his contract than Albert and Prince, even though Albert and Prince will put up good numbers.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not the biggest Wilson fan
But what evidence is there that he won’t live up to his contract if he stays healthy? He improved in basically every category in his second season of starting last year.
by BeauJackson on Jan 25, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
So much for any hope of signing Hoz
If he turns out to be a premium hitter that is. So do we hope he never becomes that good? We’ve got five years to win a pennant, clock is ticking…
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by jackie ballgame on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Not so sure about that.
We’ll just have to see how well Hosmer plays. We’ll see whether he’s good, really good, or a star.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Simple, just throw a fastball at fielder's head everytime he steps to the plate
or just throw around him
as hefty as he is, throwing around him wont be easy.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 25, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Went and checked out the Bless You Boys reaction.
They seem to think their lineup is ridiculous now, which means they thought their lineup was good before Fielder. I think their lineup was okay, but it can’t be very good when you have Miguel Cabrera hitting 3rd and [next best hitter] Avila hitting 7th.
Well, VMart obviously changed that
I would certainly say VMart was our second best hitter.
"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy
I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.
It's close.
But it didn’t matter to Leyland.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, few things matter to Leyland
Because he’s going to do thing his way, by damn! Sometimes that guy scares me.
"I believe in a good kick in the ass. This— I believe. " -- Walker Percy
I tweet about stuff sometimes @jackhitts.
I think they had some major regression candidates though.
Their infield situation was not to be envied.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Here are some of the OBAs in their lineup
Austin Jackson .317
Ramon Santiago .311
Delmon Young .302
Ryan Raburn .297
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 25, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think those guys are fine.
Well, Delmon Young isn’t really fine. But my point was that Fielder does not take them from top 5 lineup to greatest in the history of whatever. Their 2012 lineup was looking very questionable, and I thought it would be worse than 2011.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Gladdened.
I don’t think Fielder puts up the same numbers that he did as a Brewer for a number of reasons:
(1) age, (2) body type, (3) transition to AL pitching, (4) transition to a colder, bigger outdoor stadium, (5) dissatisfaction with playing time arrangements, and (6) potential clubhouse conflicts
Prince seemed to be in an ideal situation in Milwaukee, and I think it’ll be tough to repeat his success. I’m not saying he’s going to turn into Adam Dunn, but I don’t think he’s going to be as good as Miggy either.
I don't know what your talking about about
This was clearly a counter move to us signing Yuniesky. After all both players fit on their teams rosters just as well.
"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.
How could anyone who reads this blog...
have selected the last option, “I have no opinion.” If you’re reading this blog, it means you’re an informed fan. Informed fans have opinions on one of our direct competitors vastly improving their team.
Eric Berry + Brandon Flowers = a pissed off Phillip Rivers
i went with that option b/c i have yet to decide what i think...
short term…clearly bad…long term…3-4 years from now, when we should be peaking…who knows
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
I almost clicked "no opinion"
because my opinion was very strong, but it wasn’t one of the options…see below for my opinion…if you care
I am the one who knocks.
if you dare
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Jan 25, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Quit playing GM
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 25, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I selected it because my reaction did not meet any of the other options
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Jan 25, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't vote for the same reason.
I feel like it hurts in the immediate future, but could conceivably help down the road. Whether or not that damage begins after the Hosmer/Moustakas window closes is another thing entirely.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 25, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Agree. Where was that choice?
“A little from Column A, a little from Column B.”
by OnixConcepcion on Jan 25, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Tigers now have three proven superstars
We have zero.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice AUTOGRAPHED picture of Frenchy.
ftfy
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 25, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Little Ceasars dude just wants to win championships
Sucks for us.
by WURoyal on Jan 25, 2012 8:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
in 3-4 years (when all our young guys are hopefully peaking) Fielder will be at the age
where his body starts breaking down. that breakdown will be accelerated due to his wieght and he will regress rapidly. so hopefully when KCs young team peaks, the Tigers and their older lineup will be falling off.
by DickHowser4ever on Jan 25, 2012 9:29 AM EST reply actions
Trade Hosmer For
Him.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 25, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
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1. This makes me really, really question the whole we-only-have-$70million-to-work-with attitude from GMDM. That has got to be bullshit. Sure, Detroit and Minnesota are in larger markets, but tossing out that kind of money to Joe Mauer and Prince Fielder. Those are 2 VERY risky contracts. My human nature tells me to at least question the amounts these ball clubs report as profit.
2. I’m not going to crack the data open, but I am pretty sure the Detroit fans are more than merry. Therefore, if they like this signing now, I think their GM should get a pass for 9 FREAKING YEARS. He is essentially saying, “Look fans, I could just chill and probably win this division easily and make plenty of money doing it with no fan angst, but I didn’t. I put the team at risk to land a huge free agent that doesn’t fit perfectly on the team, putting our other volatile star, Cabrera, at risk also, just so we could have a big bat in hope for a run at the Series. Not to mention that this player I just signed, his teammate just got busted for roids, and I really have no idea if my $214 million will wind up in a MLB suspension, because nobody really knows.” That requires a wheelbarrow to carry balls that big. If you like the deal now, he should get a pass for 9 years.
3. I would have liked to see the other offers on the table. From what I have heard on the radio, it seems that the Nationals were only willing to go up to 6 years, maybe 7 tops. So did Detroit really outbid everyone by like $40-50 million?
4. This will be fun to see how this plays out. Is Prince an over-the-top angst fueled player that just wants to put his dad to shame. Is he really just an overweight vegetarian? Is there something else to this? Didn’t his dad hit 50 homers and then disappear a few years later? Personally, I thought the Prince deal was gonna be for 5-6 years for around $140 and thought it was gonna end up being a deal. This contract scares me.
5. This is very, very bad for the Royals. The Royals can’t go to Hosmer, Gordon, others with a straight face and say they can compete with other teams offers unless they unload the bank on one of them. Hosmer for 5 years and $80 looks good right now. Gordon for 4 years and $50 looks good. This is getting ridiculous. Something is a miss in baseball right now. There is either too much risk being taken, or there is not enough profit being reported. I think I would be shocked to find out that the baseball economy is perfectly driven by supply and demand.
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by PhattStairs on Jan 25, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
I hope you mean 5-$80 for Hosmer's free agent years
Paying him that much for his cost-controlled years would be an awful deal for the Royals.
I think you would have to be right about what he meant.
Lincecum just got $18M for 2012 and $22M for 2013 to take care of his last 2 years under cost-control. I don’t think Hosmer will make it near there his first 2 years of arb, but we should give him a deal that covers his last 2 years and 2 or 3 years of free agency. With 2 years of arb left, 5 years/$80M might be reasonable, but if he becomes a star- it would take more to get that 3rd year of FA.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Riveting television
My opinion is that it will make riveting television when Prince shows up at Hard Core Pawn and makes a guest appearance on American Muslim.
I don't think this makes Detroit all that much better...
V-Mart was pretty good last year (.368 wOBA), and though I expect Fielder to be an improvement (.408 wOBA), it won’t be all that much better than what Martinez would have given them. If V-Mart were healthy and Fielder could play left, then I think Detroit looks wicked, but they can only have two of those bats in the line-up at the same time without there being some major defensive liabilities in the field. This makes the Tigers better for 2011, but not by as much as a $210 million player should.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
Yes.
My main problem is the defensive liability. But maybe Cabrera can take care of 3rd base. But even if he can, how long can he do it? Obviously not for 9 more years. Maybe not even the next 3 years. One of those guys will be DHing in 3 years, I think.
by hawkinscm87 on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
plus wont there be more NL games?
I cant remember but arent the astros switching for sure to the AL so there will be an NL and AL team playing every day? That means cabrera will have to play 3rd and prince play 1st a lot more even for all 9 years. Plus the world series, if they make it, will be the same deal. I would imagine a lot of bunts down the first or third base lines against the tigers for years to come with those two as the corner infielders. Dyson comes on to pinch hit and bunts down the line and detroit cant do anything, he steals 2nd and 3rd and bam haha
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Jan 25, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
plus wont there be more NL games?
no
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
why do u say no?
When the astros move to AL it will be 15 NL and 15 AL. There will be an NL vs AL series every day… On ESPN they even said it could make the dh less valuable because they have less games against the AL. So explain your answer
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
its not changing this year and they havent announced what will happen in 2013 when the astros move
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
so there will be 2 teams with 3 straight off days at the same time??
One AL team and one NL team would have to not play for 3 days in a row while waiting for the other 14 teams in their leagues to finish there series… When the astros move there will be an odd number of teams in each league. They have no choice but to play interleague games every series…
2012... the year the Royals finish above .500
by Somewhere Over Dwayne Bowe on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there will be interleague series going at all times....
but it could just be one going on most of the times…that doesnt amount to more interleague games. they may very well add interleague games, but that hasnt been decided and shouldnt be assumed, nor will it be necessary
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're right.
I think many of us think Cabrera will not be able to play third base well. He doesn’t look much like his 2003 self anymore. But, then again… third base doesn’t require a lot of range, and it’s his natural position.
and he's played passable 3b far more recently than 2003
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
As I Said
Elsewhere, he’d be replacing Brandon Inge. That’s .197 .265 .283, 35 year old Brandon Inge.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
the thought of Prince playing outfield makes him jiggle
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 26, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You should be able to.
If you go to a hosting site like yfrog or something. Then get a url that you can link to and put it on the hyperlink box on your comment.
Don't Meche this up...
Grab a URL link that allows access. When I do it I go to google pics. Find the one I want. Click the pic. Get the actual URL of the pic. Click the little green tree here on RR. Put the url in the box then preview to see if it pops up.
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by PhattStairs on Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't Stop Believin'
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Looks like this may work..thanks both of you for help! I’m not an expert with you tube. I created this. Enjoy!
Well, here's why I said I don't really have an opinion
1. We were not going to win the division this year anyway. If you think that we were, you are being too optimistic by at least 5-6 games.
2. I honestly don’t think Fielder adds too much for them. They’ve already got Miggy at 1st and had Martinez hitting pretty well at DH last year. Sure, Fielder adds some value, but the effects of a DH, as we should all know, are not staggering.
3. If 1 out of 4 of our minor league arms come anywhere close to what we think they could be, our pitching should be really impressive in a few years, same goes for hitting if Hos, Cain, Myers, and Moose (and Gio perhaps) come close to their potential. That should make up the gap, especially if the organization is willing to spend money to sign an ace.
Essentially, I guess I maybe care a little bit, but I don’t think he adds enough value that we can’t catch up in a couple of years and I think his impact on the Tigers is being overstated.
"what is age anyway? what's old? what's young?" - Frank White
by AlexGordonHRmagnet on Jan 25, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions
I should point out
That this is only my stance if Fielder is primarily a DH, which is my assumption. If they have 3 big bats in the lineup pretty much every night…well, then it’s a bit more of a problem. But I still don’t see it as too big to overcome in a couple of years.
"what is age anyway? what's old? what's young?" - Frank White
by AlexGordonHRmagnet on Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
they wont have 3 big bats in the lineup this year...
unless you wanna count avila….and next year, they’re all a year older
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I was referring to Martinez
and then I realized that he tore his ACL. So now I care EVEN LESS
"what is age anyway? what's old? what's young?" - Frank White
by AlexGordonHRmagnet on Jan 25, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get the reports that they want Miggy
to drop weight to play 3B. What’s he need to drop to get any sort of quickness back? 25…30lbs? What’s that going to do to him at the plate? I’d say it effects his power somewhere in the range from “a little” to " a shitload". Why take the risk? Ask him to drop 10 lbs and go play a shitty D in LF and keep putting up 950+ OPS years.
I hope they screw him up by asking the guy you pay to hit to spent all of his time worrying about his weight. And considering his drinking and general insanity…it just may happen.
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wait...
they are really asking Miggy to drop weight after signing the player most people consider to be the most overweight??? once again…Ilitch & Dumbrowski must have a wheelbarrow to carry their balls in…let’s just call them The Wheelbarrow Bros.
I am the one who knocks.
I don't get it, but for different reasons...
I think Miggy actually probably has 25-30 pounds to lose without losing any muscle mass. Being fat doesn’t make him a power guy. So they’re basically saying “hey, we really need you to stop being fat, could you P90x it up this spring? Or at least switch from chips to pretzels or something?” He’s a pro, but he’s obviously not had any reason to have a professional physique since he was like 20, so bringing in a fatter guy is going to motivate him now/
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 25, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly have no idea if losing weight will cause him to lose power
What I do know is that he has it now. If there is one thing I wouldn’t tinker with as a GM is a guy who hits like Miggy. Dude is crushing…in his prime…and they want him to start changing shit. Maybe it’ll work out, but I won’t be shocked if it goes horribly wrong and I’m not really sure it’s worth the risk.
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Fair enough...
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Jan 25, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
he absolutely mashed when he was 30 lbs lighter, 50 lbs lighter and 70 lbs lighter...
it shouldnt have any effect
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 25, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Is The Adjective
Gigantic modifying the word deal, or Prince Fielder?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 25, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Deal, Signing, Whatever
Am I a professional journalist?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 26, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
i took it to be modifying both...i thought it was quite clever
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Likely Correct, Sir
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
the dodgers offered prince 7/160+ with an opt out after 4....
so, there were two ‘mystery teams’
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 26, 2012 2:31 PM EST reply actions
Unless they bring the fences in ever further and somehow find a way make him passable defensively it won't make a whole lot of difference.
He’s moving into a division that has some pretty large ballparks instead of the bandboxes he is used to. I have no pretty stats to make an argument with so its just my gut reaction.
by ghostofmunicipalstadium on Jan 26, 2012 7:55 PM EST reply actions
his average home run went 10 feet further than cabrera's last year...
cabrera doesnt have problems hitting home runs
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 29, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
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