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I asked a longtime agent to give me an estimate of what it would require for the Kansas City Royals to sign Eric Hosmer to a 10-year-deal, to lock him down. "I'd say $80 million to $90 million," he said.

Buster Olney in his daily column. Would you sign him?

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10 years for 90 million?

Wow 9 mill a year for Homer sounds like a steal.

by KCTiger on Jan 30, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

In a heartbeat.

If this is what it takes and it doesn’t happen, DM should be fired.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Although

he's blocking C-Rob

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

At $10 million/Year?

Of course.

Will Hosmer take it? Sounds like no to me.

by Yodazilla on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Otherwise he's making...

2012 – $.5M
2013 – $.5M
2014 – $5M
2015 – $10M
2016 – $15M
2017-2021 – $20M per

Total of $131M of above

(I used Prince’s contracts from Cot’s to get a rough idea for above)

by stlJeff on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

no....he'd only have 1 + years...

super 2 require’s more than 2 but less than 3

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jan 31, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a helluva check to write to a a guy with less than 1 year of experience

I’d be a lot more comfortable if that 90 million is heavily weighted into 2 or 3 club option years. Something like $5mm signing bonus, $5mm for the first six years, $10mm for the next year, $15mm for the last three (option) years. But now, looking at the per year breakdown, I’d make that deal in a heartbeat.

by Loose Seal on Jan 30, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

He'd be better off not to sign your deal

Go through arbitration and be a free agent sooner.

by 306008 on Jan 30, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It's good from the team's perspective though

I’m trying to look at it from Hosmer’s perspective, but I can’t get past the idea that a 22yo would turn down $45mm guaranteed with another $45mm if he plays well.

Maybe I need to look at this from Boras’ perspective, but that just makes me feel like I sold my soul.

by Loose Seal on Jan 30, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Hosmer has earned it

Don't you ever play GM- Lee "Touch of Gray" Judge

by tiquanunderwear on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

With a mutual option for 2022

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 30, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

ack!

I’m gonna be dead by then…

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Jan 30, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Won't happen

When the prophecy of the BFSE is fulfilled and the Royals dominate baseball for the rest of the decade, the next CBA will only allow one mutual option per club per year in a futile attempt to thwart this juggernaut by taking away cagey GM Dayton Moore’s greatest negotiating weapon. Unfortunately for Hosmer, Moore already secretly promised a 2022 mutual option to Jeff Francoeur back in August 2011.

by thelaundry on Jan 30, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I always wonder about the collateral damage of contract talks...

what if the Royals went to Hosmer right now and said, “We want you. We want you long-term. We will give you $90 mil for 10 years. Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, it will never be offered again and we will go to arbitration every year.”

Would the Royals be right to do this? I know that would be my approach. I scratch your back, you scratch mine. You deny my offer, fine, but don’t say I didn’t offer it when you tear an ACL or ride the pine because you don’t like the instruction.

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Jan 30, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It wouldn't be right or smart

You don’t ingratiate yourself to one of (if not the top) young players you’re likely to have for the next 6 years by giving him a take-it-or-leave-it ultimatum after his first season. Either side could change its mind in the years to come, and the circumstances surrounding his performance, health, desire for security vs. a huge payday, etc. could all change. Souring the relationship at such an early stage with heavy-handed and shortsighted business tactics probably isn’t the way to go.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 31, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I just wonder how it works...

does GMDM put in feelers for this type of deal? I think it would be hard to offer a guy that money and have him deny it. But hey Its just business

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Good question

I wonder how the Longoria and Moore extensions were negotiated. The club was the driving force as I understand it.

I just have a feeling Boras would demand so much to give up any FA years that it would be more than any team, not just the Royals, should pay someone in this situation. I hope I’m wrong and there is a balance point between team risk and Hosmer’s potential haul on the open market.

by thelaundry on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Per Fangraphs (assuming 5% annual inflation)

Year $/Win Value
2012 5.00
2013 5.25
2014 5.51
2015 5.79
2016 6.08
2017 6.38

If you take that out to 2021:

2018 6.70
2019 7.04
2020 7.39
2021 7.76
Even a 3 WAR player is worth $86.67 million from 2018-2021 alone using that model.

by thelaundry on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

It seems like everyone is certain that Hosmer is going to become a star

Or at least a very good player. I think that 10-year contract would include a lot of risk, and not just injury risk.

You may know me as NYRoyal.

by Scott McKinney on Jan 30, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

And a lot of upside.

by WURoyal on Jan 30, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he will be at least average (i.e. 2 WAR player)

and that the chances of him being better than average are much greater than the chance of him being below average.

by Loose Seal on Jan 30, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

First basemen since WW II that have posted a 110 OPS+ or better before the age of 22

Orlando Cepeda
Al Oliver
Jason Thompson
Eddie Murray
Kent Hrbek
John Olerud
Freddie Freeman
Eric Hosmer

Aside from Hosmer and Freeman, those are all HOFers, and aside from maybe Thompson, would be Hall of Very Gooders (Murray and Cepeda are HOFers)

I don’t think you’ll find too many guys that post the numbers Hosmer did his rookie season at that age, and go on to become busts.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 30, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I only had guys that had 500 PAs

That might be selective sampling I thought, so lets lower than to guys that had 300 PAs. You add:

Tony Horton
Keith Hernandez
Will Clark
David Ortiz
Tony Horton
Joe Cunningham

Horton had psychological issues that prematurely ended his career. Cunningham was a one-time All-Star in the 1950s who didn’t age well.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 30, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think so.

He’s quite the ham.

I'm a 15 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.

2012 is the year we shine (hopefully. If not, then it will be 2013).

by Jack Marsh on Jan 30, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

How much of a contract can be incentive based?

Lets say we gave Hosmer $40mm guaranteed over 10 years, but included huge incentives worth up to $10-15mm per year for things like All-Star, playing time, silver slugger, gold glove, MVP voting, batting titles, or milestones like 150 HRs, 2000 hits, etc.

There might be rules against weighting a contract like this, but it seems like that could protect the Royals if Hosmer flopped or got injured. Yet, it’d still guarantee Hosmer lots of money with the possibility for tons more (i.e. $15-$20mm per year) if he turns into a superstar.

by Loose Seal on Jan 30, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Can be award based, but not stat-based

I don’t think they can be that large to be honest, but I don’t know. I don’t know that you’d want to have millions of dollars at stake on the capricious voting of the Gold Glove award.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 30, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d only add that they can be stat based if the stats are about playing time (games, PA, ip, etc.).

You may know me as NYRoyal.

by Scott McKinney on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a matter of finding "awards" that actually mirror performance

Gold gloves don’t always mean great defense, but they usually recognize good players, so if Hosmer wins a gold glove, he’s probably doing something to earn an extra $2mm. All-star appearances mean you probably had a good first half, that might be worth $1mm. Silver slugger and MVP voting would probably overlap a lot, but if Hosmer wins the silver slugger at 1B, or puts up numbers like Gordon in 2011, he deserves at least $15mm for the year. Playing time means that you stayed relatively healthy and productive, which is worth something. And I think milestone incentives are allowed; if so, if Hosmer was able to rack up 200 HR or 2000 hits over 10 years in KC, he’d deserve an extra $10mm.

So, it’s easy for me to make this work from KC’s perspective. It’s harder for me to make it work from Hosmer’s perspective, because he might be very good, but never great enough to reach those incentives. I think a creative front office and agent could find some ways to do this though.

by Loose Seal on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

when i saw this link....

i thought for sure that jack was going to say he’s friends with dan lozano’s son or something….so disappointed

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jan 30, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Lozano seems like a real family man, too

Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
My Twitter feed.
Before getting tweaked, read up on regression.

by Matt Klaassen on Jan 30, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

clearly it wouldve been an illegitimate child from

a bender the night before going to church with albert when visiting him in kc

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jan 30, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And this is all assuming this agent is right about the money

The Royals are dealing with the man that convinced them to give BRUCE CHEN 2 years $9 million. We’re looking at what it would take for Boras to give up what he prizes most – the ability to take his client to the open market and get at much as he can.

If we look at 90 million and say, “Yeah, I think I’d do that,” the number is not high enough.

by thelaundry on Jan 30, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

you know if we were sticking to the patience thing of the other fanpost...

maybe we should wait until Hosmer hits an April slump and then offer 10 for 70…then again, what if he mashes in April, then you’re screwed

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Jan 30, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

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