Bandwagon Fans and the Royals
Royals fans are tough.
Really, we are. There is much disdain among us for the "Best Fans in Baseball" (or BFIB), the fans of the St. Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals have been very good for a decade and have won two World Series. Somehow, they managed to do this with a $105,433,572 payroll. According to a reliable source (alright, Wikipdedia), the metropolitan area of St. Louis is 2.8 million people, compared to 2.2 million for KC. The argument goes that the reason a relatively small metro area can support the Cardinals enough to have that payroll is because the fans are, well, the BFIB.
Royals fans can and do argue with this notion. However, Royals fans haven't encountered a similar situation in two decades. One of the reasons why the Cardinals have so many fans is because of the amount of bandwagon fans, and this is true for every winning team. With our real life team of Avengers looking to fight the evil Cardinals and Red Sox of the world, we expect good things on the horizon; namely, winning. But with winning comes something that core Royals fans will have to endure.
Bandwagon fans.
In the mid 2000s, we had another one of our family trips to Colorado. My father and I were on the Pike's Peak Cog Railway near Colorado Springs--an attraction I heartily suggest, by the way--when I heard one of the most sad/ridiculous/angering things someone could say. A girl of about 10 or so had just told someone "My favorite baseball team is the Yankees because they win a lot." Not, "because I like their colors" or "I'm from New York" or "Uncle Frederick is a big fan of them". Because they win.
Royals fans have endured more than most sports fans have endured (Except perhaps an octogenarian Cubs fan or something). We take perverse enjoyment, I think, in the fact that we root for our team even if Ryan Freel is the key midseason acquisition. Dr. Rany Jazayerli appeared on Kings of Kauffman's 'Royalman Report' a bit ago. Here's what he had to say about being a Royals fan:
Wherever I am I have my royals cap...it feels kinda nice to wear the cap of a team that's so uncool nationally that anybody who sees me wearing it has to know that I'm not wearing it because I'm some bandwagon jumper. There are no Royals bandwagon fans. I think it labels me as a much more authentic fan, that I'm willing to wear this totem of patheticness, this Royals cap, in non-Royals territory; no one will ever question my allegiance to the team that way.
I'm sure many of us feel the exact same way. We are true, legit Royals fans who spend an inordinate time online with other true, legit Royals fans.
But you can be sure that this will change. To consistently have more fans, you need to bring in the bandwagoners. You need the KC sports fans who are desperate to root for something that won't break their heart. You need to bring in the jocks who love winning teams of any kind. You need the high school girls going "OMG Hosmer's so hawt" (well, that's debatable, but you need their support anyway).
But, as tough Royals fans, how are we going to deal with it? Are we going to push them away, make fun of them when they use batting average, home runs, and RBIs as the only offensive stats? Are we going to roll our eyes in disgust when these people who could have been fans earlier begin to run to a winner and then desert the Royals whenever they decline again?
We likely will be irritated. But we must remember that these things happen. No fans, no money, no payroll to extend "Mr. Hawtie" Hosmer himself. The most important thing, though, is that winning brings in new core fans. Excitement brings new fans eager to learn and root even when no one in their right mind would do so. I was a mild Royals fan until 2009, when Greinke's magical season converted me into following every game.
So just remember--though there will be plenty of trolls, idiots, and fans less faithful than Gingrich was to his past wives. But winning will draw in the fans that count, and that is worth the pain.
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I'm not too concerned...
Q: How are casual new fans decked out in new Francoeur sherzeys most likely to display their newfound devotion to the Royals?
A: Clicking the “like” button on Facebook.
Q: Where are trolls, idiots, and fans less faithful than Gingrich was to his past wives already confined to?
A: You got it.
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 10, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions
Granted I do live in Ohio so I wouldn't have to see pink Royals hats spreading like VD like I would if I lived in KS/MO.
My day-to-day Royals interactions are limited to the internet and to neighbors who are amazed that I would care about anything other than Ohio State football.
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 10, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
HAHA. you mean THE ohio state football
I have lived in ohio for about 6 or 7 years now. My wife is a Tosu fan. I HATE IT!!
by royal_in_cincinnati on Feb 10, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
we had a bright pink and yellow Royals hats in the 80s...
I won them lipsyncing Tutti Frutti in a talent contest…
and Back to the Future sunglasses from Pizza Hut…man the 80s were fucked up
I am the one who knocks.
I freaking hate those.
How about instead of making me ill-fitting pink shit, you instead offer a selection of clothes in my team’s color that are actually designed to be worn by the female body.
Preach, sister.
I’ll line up right behind you when they make stuff for us and not for pink hat-wearing cleat chasers.
WTF, self?
Good post.
I was a teenager, working at a bar as a transplanted Royals fan in the Deep South during the magical season of ‘85. I wore my KC cap all year, went through every nail-biting playoff game, breathing sighs of relief every time the team averted disaster by pulling the fat out of the fire at the last moment. The regulars at the bar all knew me as that kid who steadfastly stuck by the Royals through thick and thin until they were World Champions.
In December of that year, a non-regular was sitting at the bar, looked at my cap and said, "I’ll bet you weren’t wearing that cap before October." One of the bartenders overheard the comment, came over and said, “This guy is the most loyal baseball fan I know. He’s been a KC fan since he was a kid. Show some respect!” I beamed with pride and the negative stranger looked sheepishly down at his beer, having been called out so publicly for his broad assumption.
The flip side of being a long-time Royals fan for many of us will be when the team starts to compete and many will assume that we jumped on the bandwagon when KC started winning. After all…we couldn’t possibly have been fans when the team sucked. Right?
I look forward to that day when I’m sporting the same stained, weather-worn hat that was still relatively new and bright that December night. When my loyalty was questioned and my bandwagoneering was suspected. Now, that cap bears the scuffs and marks of a seasoned, long-suffering fan who has taken his lumps through the highs and lows of being a Kansas City baseball fan. Next time, that stranger might hold his tongue, and raise his beer glass to me in a toast instead.
Slightly OT
I’m surprised by how many Royals hats I see in NYC. They aren’t too common downtown, but up in Harlem, I see at least one a week.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions
Gang sign?
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad it's a blue hat
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
This link may help you with your street cred
by daveyork on Feb 10, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is a great chart.
I never knew that the “Maniac Latin Disciples” existed, let alone what hats they sported.
What's troubling to me is the fact that 5-6 different gangs might use the same team's logo/gear
Talk about ganghouse/clubhouse confusion…if you see a guy walking down the street with a Bulls hat, how do you know if he’s a friend or foe?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 10, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what everyone else thinks,
but I think the Folk Nation Gang could take the Spanish Vice Lords.
I noticed that too.
I think it has more to do with the color blue than the KC on the front.
That’s the only thing I can piece together.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Read somewhere
That the random use of black in the mid 2000s saw a rise in gangster’s wearing of KC hats. Because, you know, black is hip and whatnot.
I hate Hate HATE
black in the uni’s. Most especially when blue is the primary color. Black and blue just don’t work well together. There’s not enough contrast. Take Duke for instance, I may hate Duke but their logo and fonts are both very clean but the black in their unis just make them look, well, bad.
Don’t even get me started on monochromatic unis, I had those almost as much….
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
I think black in blue Unis can look pretty sharp
If the blue isn’t too dark a blue. To be honest there’s not very much contrast with blue/powder blue either.
I think it’s slightly annoying when teams just throw black in randomly because they can. Like the Detroit Lions alternates a few years back, or the prior Mets jerseys, or the Blue Jays jerseys. Or the horrendous black Chiefs jerseys you can buy. I do like the yellow ones though.
no, but at least they
coordinate.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Also, I've met people
who wear Royals hats for the irony. Fucking hipsters.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
That's quite the insult...
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 11, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
What do you mean by 'downtown?'
Because the entirety of Manhattan is like a downtown. But then it has the ‘midtown’ and ‘uptown’ monikers.
Lower Manhattan
Generally south of 23 st….Brooklyn bridge, Canal st, Wall st, Ground Zero, China town, Battery Park.
I see them in Midtown all the time
but yeah, you don’t see many ball caps period south of 14th st.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
All New Yorkers care about is whether their outfits match
All Royals hat represent is color coordination.
by Royal from Queens on Feb 10, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I see Royals hats all over Brooklyn
I used to say “Go Royals” when I’d pass someone wearing one. Quickly learned those hats were being worn for a different reason than I wear mine.
C. Montgomery Hunt: One of the greatest heroes in American history.
I usually ask, "Are you actually a Royals fan or just wearing the hat?"
That’s better than the alternative of feeling like a jackass when assuming that a non-fan actually knows what the hat they’re wearing is supporting.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 11, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
most hipsters in Brooklyn dont even know its a hat for a MLB baseball team
there just wearing it because it matches the typing ribbon on their vintage typewriter.
by DickHowser4ever on Feb 11, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Fans
are like family — you can’t pick ’em.
When they all show up for the big do (whatever the “big do” turns out to be), you say hello, catch up on lost time, and then find a spot where you can hang out with the ones you really enjoy spending time with.
by 2X2L on Feb 10, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They won 71 games last year
Almost 5 and a half times as many as the NY Giants won. What more do you want?
But seriously,
For the Royals to be acknowledged nationally they would have to challenge/win the AL Central or a Wild Card spot. But locally, if the Royals end up with over a .500 record, people are going to go nuts.
Probably,
but I fucking loved Gleaming the Cube back in the day.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 10, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That Anne Rice horror show with Brad Cruise and Tim Pitt
SUCKED THE MORTAL LIFE from Slater’s career….GET IT? I made a play on words, based on the vampiric legend of blood sucking. His Jack Nicholson light scthick always wore a little thing….UNLIKE vampiric word play. You want to suck my what?
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 10, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I beg to differ.
Did you see Hollow Man 2? His career clearly had tons of life after Interview with a Shampire.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 11, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I look forward to the bandwagon fans
And explaining to them that a given player’s batting average, RBI, ERA, fielding percentage, etc. doesn’t necessarily describe how good he is.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions
Of course they don't, most Royals fans know this
Lee Judge has been educating them on Ron Polk Points, which is what leads to wins.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Trick question: All-Star game nomination is worth 3 points
Not the other way around
batter nine you sucky
One Must Have
A firm grasp of infinity.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hi, I’m Scott McKinney. My passions include traveling, fly fishing, explaining to baseball fans that given player’s batting average, RBI, ERA, fielding percentage, etc. doesn’t necessarily describe how good he is, and reality television.
by kcdc1 on Feb 10, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really am going to have to change my profile when the bandwagon gets rolling
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
FYP
Hi, I’m Scott McKinney. My passions include traveling, fly fishing,explaining toARGUING AT LENGTH with baseball fans that given player’s batting average, RBI, ERA, fielding percentage, etc. doesn’t necessarily describe how good he is, and reality television.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 10, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, arguing isn't necessary
They could just agree with me and it would be over with.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Prepare to be assimilated
Resistance is futile.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 10, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The Dating Game with Scott McKinney
Wink, I though we were getting along fine until he left me to pay the dinner tab when I could not explain how SIERA worked. I guess I should have been concerned when he showed up to the restaurant in boxers and sunglasses, but the maitre d’ did allow us in after he gave Scott a necktie.
by ks.cowboy on Feb 10, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I want to know how we are going to react, here...
when half of the monikers are names like 58-4ever, chiefnutz12 and McNKCluster, and complain that certain Royals don’t play with enough fire and emotion, or why Justin Houston is already making a big contribution as a rookie third rounder while the Royals 3rd rounder, Brian Brickhouse isn’t even out of A-ball, and then be called a bunch of names after trying to provide an explanation. That will be a joy.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
We should type everything in caps.
MAYBE THE NOISE WOULD SCARE THEM ALL AWAY!
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 10, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Good post, I have a few comments.
1. Why is saying that you like a team ridiculous/angering? Being good at something is a reason to inspire fandom, right? Just seems weird, and yes, I recognize that it’s not a level playing field and I do hate the Yankees.
2. Rany always has his Royals hat because he went bald when he was 22. Don’t let him fool you.
3. I’m worried about what will happen to Royals Review when the Royals get good. It’s already a little “Localz Only,” and when traffic inevitably increases.
Hopefully we will be nerdy and unattractive enough to keep people away
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Generally
I think this to be true, Jim Fetterloff comes to mind.
There’s a fair amount of bandwagon stupidity that is accepted on the open game threads but the regulars here do a pretty good job of ensuring the quality of content at RR.
It doesn’t take long for the Facebookers to realize that this may not be the site for them.
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Well said
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 10, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really know how much bandwagon stupidity is present in the game threads.
It seems pretty rare in general. What bandwagon is there to hop on in the first place?
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 11, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
There isn't, in truth
but woe be unto the fool who enjoys a good April. That will get some folks here enraged.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base. — Dave Barry
by ChangingSpeeds on Feb 11, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
Liking a team for its results on the field
reeks of poor sportsmanship and fair-weatheredness to me.
Yeah yeah I know you should be able to like whomever you like. But being a fan means rooting for a team, wishing them well, and experiencing both their successes and failures. Liking a team, without any geographical or logical reason except that the team wins means, to me, that you like winning more than the team you root for.
That girl I referred to—do you really think she’s a fan? That she loves the Yankees and their storied history, or the city of New York? She, and many other bandwagon fans, likes winning more than she does the game or the team.
I think
you take it a bit too far. Most serious fans start out as casual fans, and judging from our own stories in the recent thread about why we’re currently Royals fans, we’re no different.
For all we know, that girl might someday become the most faithful and highly respected blogger in the Yankeeverse during their next championship drought (which, since this is all a fantasy, we’ll just say will last from 2009 to 2042). Who are we to say that her initial fandom was inadequate?
I agree
When I first got into baseball, in the mid 70s, I was a Yankees fan. Why? Because they were winning and I didn’t know any better. To paraphrase the late, great George Carlin, I was a Yankees fan until I reached the age of reason. Why did I switch to the Royals? I like the color blue and I liked George Brett. Not the greatest reasons for being a fan, but I’m still here!
And the 1 other Royals fan I met out here in Arizona and I have a simple greeting. “Pine Tar”
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
I was 6 years old and distinctly remember watching that happen live (no DVR or VCR)
I was relatively unsupervised for some reason (I think my mom was in the next room or something), and I started crying and throwing a tantrum. I obviously had no idea what was going on from a rules/procedural perspective, but all I knew was that if George Brett was that upset, I damn well better be, too.
And at that point, I had learned (inadvertently) all the curse words I would ever need from my dad.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 10, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
what is this Band Wagon you speak of??
i have seen a band motorcycle, but never a ‘band wagon’

accompanying youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmjlkfFBBPg&feature=related"
by DickHowser4ever on Feb 10, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I will be the first to admit
that Greinke’s start in 2009 is what fully propelled me from casual baseball fan to one who watches every day. But I had never really fully understood the sport until then, and decided to actually gain more than a cursory understanding of it at that point. I’m glad I did.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 10, 2012 2:59 PM EST reply actions
we need to have a contest
to first, see who can write the most pro-saber article while sounding (reading) like a total hobbit…second, who can best replicate the ‘studsfag’/facebook/mouth-breather crew…winner gets $100 schrutebucks…
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
--Albert Einstein
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Feb 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions
Where's Blue Bandwagon when you need him?
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
I've been wearing a Royals hat most days for so long I think I'm safe from the bandwagon label
at least to friends and coworkers. I even think that fact has saved me from being called a bandwagon fan for being a Packers fan. I’ve been following the Packers since the late 70s and Royals since the early 80s. I mainly stick with my Royals hat because I like baseball more than football and I like blue more than green.
But I will admit that when it comes to stats I’m pretty old school. There are so many “new” stats out there that I can’t keep track of them all and am kind of too set in my ways to learn them. I don’t hate them or anything, just don’t care enough about stats.
I am new to this site, and lurk more than post. Plus I work evenings so I’m rarely around for games so I don’t join the game chats. Plus I live in Arizona so I’m not even sure if I could watch many games, money’s too tight now for the MLB Package even if I was around.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
Welcome to RR
and you’re not the only one here that’s in AZ. I moved to the Valley of the Sun in 2001.
Also, it takes time to get used to the “new” stats – give them a chance. The people here are pretty good about explaining things (or at least directing you to other sites devoted to stats). You don’t HAVE to know them to enjoy baseball of course……but you actually can teach old dogs new tricks!
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Feb 10, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am willing to learn
I will see if I can learn some of the new stats this season.
Here’s to a good season! Not sure what to expect though.
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
After the last 26 years -
I’m willing to put up with all kinds of annoying shit if the Royals actually become good. Even bandwagon fans.
by Black and Gold on Feb 10, 2012 3:24 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
WIN!
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Growing up just south of KC, my favorite color became blue because of the Royals.
My favorite number was 5, b/c of George Brett. My dad was a Royals fan, so I became a Royals fan. I don’t think most people that visit this site regularly will be lumped into the bandwagon fans.
Now I live in Cincinnati, which has it’s own history of very bad teams. Bengals are usually awful, and the Reds have only had a handful of good seasons. So it hasn’t been too hard to hold onto my Royal fandom. Although, I will cheer for the Reds, especially when they play the Cardinals.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Feb 10, 2012 4:16 PM EST reply actions
I was unaware that you lived in Cincinnati.
by Dadunca on Feb 10, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
John?
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
by labbadabba on Feb 10, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's His Room
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 10, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite 80's movie
will forever remain a guarded secret.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 10, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Footloose?
The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.
Dirty Dancing
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 10, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Back 2 the Future
and 3 O’Clock High
by DickHowser4ever on Feb 10, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot about that movie
December, 7 1941 may be a day that lives in infamy, but December 6, 2011 is a day that will live in AWESOMENESS!!! The day I became part owner of the Green Bay Packers!
In Cheese We Trust
Tuff Turf.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 11, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
What part of of the world is Dadunca in?
I thought that’s how these screen names worked. I saw kansasjohn, NYroyal, and kcdc1. I just figured that’s how they all needed to be.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Feb 10, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in Kansas.
Pretty sure I’m the only Kansan here.
I'm pretty sure it's Native American for buffalo...
Kevin Costner movies taught me everything I need to know.
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 10, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By your logic
I’m from a galaxy far, far away.
by Yodazilla on Feb 10, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From a galaxy far far away
you are.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 11, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm don't think Hosmer's hawt-ness is debatable.
I think it is just more prominent some days than others.
Mike Piazza agrees with you.
As does John Travolta.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 10, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
But Mike Piazza's not gay
He had a press conference to prove it!
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
by Kim DeJesus on Feb 10, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's What I'd
Do.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 11, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
So glad we're still running with this.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 11, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I don't consider myself a bandwagon fan...But you might
I’m turning 15 in 10 days (woo permit) and I’ve always played baseball and loved the game. I’ve always watched baseball and was a “fan” of the Phillies because my dad is a homegrown Philly loving man. Living in Orlando there isn’t a big baseball team following, as the Rays and Marlins have some of the worst fan bases+attendance. So at the beginning of this year when I started to really get into the games, stats, metrics, etc. I decided to pick my team. Not sure why I picked the Royals but I did, it was after they traded Greinke so it must have been some premonition about the BFSE. Well I watched pretty much every game this year and made a significant purchase buying MLB.TV all by myself. So I think I’ve earned the fact to be a “true” Royal fan. But maybe not..
Don't you ever play GM- Lee "Touch of Gray" Judge
by tiquanunderwear on Feb 10, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions
Making that financial commitment at that point in time.. that counts.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 10, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hoorah for babysitting (eating my neighbor's food as their kids run around)
Don't you ever play GM- Lee "Touch of Gray" Judge
by tiquanunderwear on Feb 10, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Becoming a Royals fan when the Royals suck(ed)
means you are not a bandwagon fan.
I became a Royals fan in 1976. As much as I hate to admit it, that probably makes me a bandwagon fan.
by Black and Gold on Feb 11, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
But after ’85, the bandwagon you jumped on hit a ditch, rolled a dozen times, causing all the wheels to fly off, and it finally collided with a gas station, which caught fire and exploded, leaving not much more than ashes…which every other baseball bandwagon has driven over and smashed into the dirt.
So I think you’re OK.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 11, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely not a bandwagon fan.
Bandwagon fans are so because they like winning more than they like the team, usually. This is definitely not your case. You are loyal to the Royals for a different reason—but God only knows what that reason is. Seriously, man.
Also, I’d advisel you to watch out for snow on the road once you get your permit, but you don’t live anywhere close to possible snowfall so nevermind.
Even if you were a bandwagon fan (which you're very much NOT)
you are amusing and not an idiot, so I don’t think you’d be chased off with derision anyway.
...id say counts as a true fan
willing to buy a package to watch all the games while you’re starting to think about buying a car. Sounds dedicated to me
I'm jumping off the bandwagon as soon as we start winning.
"Poker, poker, it's all skill. Start with the worst hand and go uphill" - Mike Matusow
We will crush you
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 11, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
The more bandwagon fans we get,
the more interest there will be in the team, and the higher revenues will be both in attendance and merchandising. If they can average, say, 28,000 a game (they used to do a lot better than that, so it’s possible), that’s a few million more that Dayton can spend on good players.
Oh, you say he already spent $2 million on Yuni Betancourt? Never mind, then, it’ll be futile.
"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943
I've never been
a “bandwagoner”, I love the Chiefs, Royals and Spurs. I expect the Royals to compete this year, that being said, I expect a season of futility. It seems to never work out for teams I love, so going into this season with so much hope, I’ll cautiously be optimistic. The Royals will finish 3rd. F*** Prince Fielder.
yeah...the spurs have had a rough last 15 years...
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 11, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Everything before Tim Duncan was rough, though,
at least by NBA standards. My guess is that beltran42 is at least 30, thus likely negating the possibility of having jumped on the bandwagon.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 12, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
this is what i was referring to...
It seems to never work out for teams I love

Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
he was talking about Tottenham Hot Spurs from the EPL
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
by splitty on Feb 13, 2012 1:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
yeah...i dunno what that is
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 13, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
and transferring any glory you receive from your post to Will as well
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 11, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I believe if it gets enough recs it goes there automatically
And one of the admins can manually put it there if they think it should be there
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
1994-1995
As a Cardinals fan, I have to point out, the last time the Royals had back-to-back seasons with a better win % than the Cardinals, in 1994 and 1995, they drew 1,400,494 and 1,233,530, respectively. Those same two years, the Cards drew 1,866,544 and 1,756,727.
The Cardinals have “bandwagon fans” like the Chiefs have “bandwagon fans.”
Neither really does. The both just don’t show up quite as much when the team is losing because nobody likes shelling out the money to watch a crappy product. It doesn’t mean we’re not glued to the TV week and and week out (or night in and night out in baseball season) – screaming at our players and relishing each victory.
by stlfan on Feb 11, 2012 8:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I guess I have an addiction cuz that's all I do during baseball season/football season
Work permitting of course
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Feb 11, 2012 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hear ya
Wish I was fluid enough to see 80 games a year at the pepsi party porch
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Feb 12, 2012 2:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I never really got into the Royals until after the 2003 season (although I had been to a few games in my early years).
And I have lived in KC all my life.
Am I a bandwagon fan?
I'm a 15 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine (hopefully. If not, then it will be 2013).
What were you then, 5 years old??
I’m pretty sure you don’t qualify as a bandwagoner…
There are literally DOZENS of us!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 11, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm a bandwagon fan
It’s the most fucked up, broken down piece of shit wagon on earth.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 11, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions
It's a flint stone wagon!!!
C’mon brother time to use our feet!!!!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Feb 11, 2012 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no worries
Small market teams can’t even afford a bandwagon anyway.
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
my name says it all
or does it?
Really, I’m probably casual compared to most of the people on here, but honestly… I have been interested in the Royals since my teenage years, travelling 2 hours to KC at least 3 times each year to see some baseball. Oh, and I expect that number to increase dramatically in the next 3 years. (now maybe THAT means I’m a bandwagon fan… no?)
Anyway, that’s just my 2 cents… I’ll go back into the nothingness that I usually am (basically because I can’t be online whenever I want… if I could…. haha!!!)
"Give a man fire, and he is warm for a day.
Teach a man how to make fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life."
Your name does say it all.
It says you’re from Casual City, CA.
It's great to be apart of a fanbase that's real
It’s not a winner team it’s not a flashy team. It’s our team. Most of us hail from KC or the surrounding areas and it will be a great point of personal pride when our boys in blue start winning and winning ALOT
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Feb 11, 2012 7:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The more fans the merrier in my opinion
I never understood why people would get upset that someone would pick their favorite team because they win. They can choose however they want to, they can change allegiances all they want to, I dont care. I am happy if they like baseball. period.
Lets just enjoy the ride, fellas......
I was into punk rock in high school,
so I had plenty of practice at righteous indignation when people started showing up out of the woodwork to listen to bands I had been listening to since before they were big. Hopefully I am not as much of an asshole about it when the Royals bandwagon starts filling up.
WTF, self?
I Just Hoped
They survived success.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Can't wait for bandwagon fans!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvTPNMEEGI
GO ROYALS! PUJOLS IS AWESOME!!!!
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Hey guys im new to Royals Review but I have spent a lot of time on Arrowhead Pride
I just wanted someone to explain the business of baseball to me. 1) Is there any way that down the road, we will be able to keep Hosmer, Moustakas, Perez, Escobar, Gordon, Cain? At least some of them? 2) If we win a World Series, or two, is there any way we will be able to keep all, or most, of them? 3) How likely is it that we get a new owner or Glass gives us a lot more money?
Dexter McCluster
1. Its possible, but not likely. Even in the NFL, its rare that a team keeps all its major components together for more than a few years
2. Same as above.
3. Probably not likely.
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Fine...
When a player first breaks into the Bigs, his first three full seasons are considered to be pre-arbitration eligible, so he makes league-minimum for those three years. When I say full season, I mean that the player has to have been on the 25-man roster in Kansas City for 172 of the 182 days of the Major League season (the Disabled List counts towards those days). Of the players you listed, Hosmer, Moustakas, Perez, and Cain have not qualified as having played a full season.
After those initial three seasons, the players become eligible for arbitration (which means that their salaries begin to escalate each season based upon their performance and market value for similar players) for the next three seasons.
Once a player is called up, the team that brought him up has the rights to that player for six full seasons and almost always most of a seventh.
There is a little stipulation wherein a player who played enough in a partial season to be amongst the top 17% of the players in his class in terms of service time is eligible for an extra season of arbitration. They are still under club control for six full seasons, but their salaries start escalating after their second full season. Hosmer is one extremely likely to be one of these “Super Two” players, so he will have four seasons of arbitration eligibility.
It isn’t until after these six seasons that a player is eligible for free agency.
Assuming that the Royals become and remain competitive, there is no reason to believe that Hosmer and Moustakas won’t be around for the next five years with that sixth season being likely unless the Royals find themselves not in contention or reloading/rebuilding. Perez and Cain are less prized commodities, so they will likely be around for at least the full six years. Cain is significantly older than these other players and may not even be worth keeping around through that sixth season. Escobar has two full years of service time, so he is under club control for the next four years. Gordon has four years of service time, so the Royals have control over him for the next two seasons.
As these players approach free agency, it is not uncommon to sign them to extensions buying out the first couple of years that they would be free agents, extending their time with the club. Hosmer and Moustakas are both represented by Scott Boras, who almost always makes sure that his players reach free agency as soon as possible, so extensions are unlikely with them, and Hosmer specifically would likely cost too much for the Royals to retain if he hits the open market. If the Royals don’t work out an extension with Gordon this year, he’s likely gone after the 2013 season if not sooner.
Contrary to popular belief, Glass spends as much as an owner can reasonably be expected to spend on payroll given the Royals revenues. If they start drawing much better at the gates, it has been said that payroll may get as high as $80MM, but that assumes average attendance of something like 30,000 a night.
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