Royals’ Moore: Adding starter would block in-house candidates

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Hm. I think that means we'll be trading for Burnett currently

by BlueEyes_Austin on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions

No one puts Bruce Chen in a corner

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 13, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions

Correction:

No one puts Brucie in a corner

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 14, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

The availability of guys on one year deals, makes the Chen contract look like more of a turd. And the Melky trade more pointless.

by WURoyal on Feb 14, 2012 7:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions

And I know it's been said,

But Francis gets a minor league deal and Chen gets 2 years 9 million?!?!

Silliness.

by WURoyal on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

yep

by kcdc1 on Feb 14, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions

This is completely legitimate reasoning

And I happen to agree with Moore on this. 2012 is a non-contention year. It’s main purpose should be about growth of the players so that the Royals can make the necessary move to be favorites in 2013. Even the most optimistic fan only sees the Royals as having a chance to compete.

That being said, the Chen contract absolutely reeks.

by Yodazilla on Feb 14, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions

Poor Rany

BTW, wasn’t he supposed to show through rigorous number crunching how the Royals really should be close in 2012? It was the whole foundation of his “must go for it!” plan.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 14, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions

He said he'd do it in spring

But remember that things have changed. The Royals never added a starter that was worth a damn, and the Tigers signed Fielder.

by kcdc1 on Feb 14, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions

And the Tigers are about one net win better

2012 Tigers – Martinez + Fielder = +1 win

It’s not like any reasonable analysis would have had the Tigers at a mid-80’s win total for 2012. Regardless, if Rany thought the Royals were close, he must have thought that they were likely to have a win total at least in the low 80’s. I’d like to see the stats and math that support that. I don’t think Rany is even going to bother trying. The stats and math don’t support it at all.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 15, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions

It's got to be killing him that EJax and Oswalt will probably both end up on 1 year deals

I won’t kid him for his proposed offers to those two, but this was the thesis statement he wrote after thousands of words on SPs:

“I think the Royals should do something.”

by thelaundry on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions

I wouldn't expect GMDM to say anything different

He absolutely mis-read the market for starting pitchers in November, but he isn’t going to say that he doesn’t want Chen or Sanchez on his team, or that he’d prefer Oswald and Jackson to either of them.

by Loose Seal on Feb 14, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions

It is interesting

How much pitchers were available this winter. I think the market is shifting for pitchers. Perhaps we’re fortunate we moved Greinke when we did.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 14, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions

Correct me if I'm wrong...

How many scenarios do you see Ewin Jackson getting a better deal next year? It’s my understanding that there’s a general concensus that next year’s FA pitching market will be much better than the current year. In addition, more teams near the luxury tax cap will be encouraged to get under for purposes detailed in other articles, correct? Unless he goes out and pitches like Verlander did this year, what are their realistic expectations for a contract next year compared to what he could have gotten this year?

I don’t know for sure, but interested in hearing other people weigh in…

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Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?

by Royals Medic on Feb 14, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions

Its a risk

But OTOH, it only takes one team to make him that offer. The luxury tax cap is likely only affecting the Red Sox and Yanks (maybe the Phils) who weren’t likely to be major players on EJax anyway. Seems like a bunch of the “next tier” markets are getting mammoth TV deals – Texas, LA Angels, LA Dodgers, Seattle, I think even Washington is getting a sizeable increase. They’re going to have a lot of money to play with (especially if the Dodgers have a new owner). Once the musical chairs for pitchers is over and some team lost out on Hamels, Greinke, Cain, etc, they’re going to blow their wad on someone like EJax.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions

the dodgers and mets will likely both be in much better financial situations...

and every one of the pitchers who hits FA opens up a spot

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Feb 14, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions

The industry's lack of interest in EJax was totally bizarre

How was his situation hitting free agency different than Meche’s situation in 2006? EJax has what Meche had in good velocity, moderate control, and seemingly untapped potential, but EJax has a little better health and performance record than Meche had at the time.

Meche got $5/55. 6 years’ worth of salary inflation later, Jackson got a fifth of what Meche got. What am I missing here?

by kcdc1 on Feb 14, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions

Meche entered FA in a crazy contract winter

There was all sorts of stupid contracts that winter – Barry Zito, Alfonso Soriano, Aaron Rowand, Miguel Batista, Jeff Suppan, Oliver Perez, IIRC all got stupid contracts. EJax entered into a market that seemed a bit depressed, at least for mid-tier talent.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions

Still, they were both young FA's with good stuff, good upside, and decent-to-good recent performance

Even with some market fluctuation, it’s weird that Jackson got one fifth of what Meche got. And when you account for 7% inflation or whatever MLB inflation is supposed to be, Jackson got a lot less than one fifth.

I think a lot of teams, the Royals included, really screwed up passing on Jackson this offseason.

by kcdc1 on Feb 14, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions

Oh for sure

Although it sounds like EJax passed up bigger offers (Pittsburgh offered 3/30) to sign for one year in Washington so I would guess he wouldn’t have signed here anyway unless our offer was too big to pass up.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 14, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions