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Hearing Fox Sports KC's top two candidates to replace Frank White as analyst on #Royals' telecasts are Rex Hudler and George Frazier...

Per Bob Dutton.

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Both at one time were Cardinals

And going by Hudler’s wiki page, his “catch phrases” are terrible.

Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.

by averagegatsby on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

Is FOX Sports KC run by people in St. Louis?

I thought I heard once that the office is there.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 2, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex Hudler?

Think of that potential Polk Point monster as the emergency utility man.

by BeauJackson on Feb 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

Ugh, I've heard Hudler is awful

With him and Lefebvre it will be the Lame Joke Comedy Hour.

Don’t know anything about Frazier but I guess I’m pulling for him. Surprised they’d go outside the “Royals Circle.” I don’t think it will last long if they do.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

This is looking bad then,

http://bayareasportsmachine.blogspot.com/2008/05/rockies-announcer-george-frazier-is-65.html

“Severe bleeding of the ears, otherwise known as Frazier Syndrome”

“Whatever. Even just thinking about the game last night is making me angry. Just remember that if you’re ever stuck watching a game that George Frazier is announcing, do yourself a favor and remove all sharp objects from the room. If you own a straightjacket, make use of it. It’s in your own best interest. Hide the children. Shut the blinds. Better yet, just turn the tv on mute.”

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Feb 2, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not good.

He needs to get back to what he was doing or he’ll be out of baseball quick.

by BeauJackson on Feb 2, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

An addict resuming using is never minor.

His addictions took him completely away from any sort of professional life, it can easily happen again if he keeps convincing himself he can use safely. He is not in a good place right now.

by BeauJackson on Feb 2, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, listen up guys!

BBB doesn’t buy into the whole addiction model, so any of you addicts up in this bitch can just do whatever you want.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 3, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course not.

It’s all a farce.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Feb 3, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i have habits...

i smoke a ton and i drink entirely too much caffeine….if my life or livelihood came down to me stopping those things cold turkey, it wouldnt be a problem

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Feb 3, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

You might be different than every other person on the planet, but I’m willing to bet you are addicted to nicotine…Unless you want to tell me that you smoke for the health benefits?

I’m a former smoker, and I know that if I have one, it will lead me straight back to 2 packs a day.

"Yeah, the maple kind, right?"

by Karte on Feb 3, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I Quit Smoking

Dozens of times. When I really wanted to, I did. It’s been 22 years, and I haven’t so much as taken a drag. My wife smoked next to me on the couch as long as she was alive.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Feb 5, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Alcoholism as a 'disease' really bugs me

It’s clearly not a disease. If you don’t drink, you won’t ever be drunk.

Obviously, genetics have a part in the deal, as different people react differently to alcohol/other drugs, but I do agree that personal choices form the backbone of alcoholism. America tends to want to blame everyone but ourselves for our problems.

by Yodazilla on Feb 3, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

In the thread you just started elsewhere

do you want the statistics broken down according to the number of visitors to RR who don’t know the difference between alcohol abuse and alcoholism and those who do?

by 2X2L on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

By the basic definition of disease

Alcoholism certainly fits the bill, but I’m interested to hear why it is clearly not a disease.

by BeauJackson on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

ok then...disease of choice...

similar to what my lung cancer will be should i get it.

why do smokers not get this sympathy when they get diagnosed with lung cancer? unhealthy people with diabetes or heart disease?

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 3, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You're jumping down the line

Alcoholics can develop cirrhosis of the liver if they don’t address their alcoholism. Smokers can develop lung cancer if they don’t address their nicotine addiction. Obese people can develop diabetes or heart disease if they don’t address their weight problem. If people admit their problems and try to fix them, you’ll see sympathy. On the other hand, if they just live in denial and continue on with their behaviors, you won’t see much sympathy when problems such as cirrhosis, lung cancer, diabetes or heart disease come to pass.

by BeauJackson on Feb 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This is by no means a thorough scientific explanation

But to me, a disease is an involuntary illness brought about by rogue organisms or a genetic defect, and can usually be communicated to others.

Alcoholism is 100% preventable: don’t drink alcohol. It also seems to me that it is more of a psychological issue than a physical one.

by Yodazilla on Feb 4, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

So the answer to alcoholism

Is that no one should ever pick up that first drink, because they might be an alcoholic.

by BeauJackson on Feb 4, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Clearly, it is an answer

But there are other implications as well. First, alcoholics drink till drunk and do this repeatedly. If you never become drunk, you’ll never be an alcoholic. This, of course, depends mostly on initial self-control.

However, once one becomes drunk repeatedly, early diagnosis of this as an addiction can lead to an instant cure, which is to quit consuming alcohol, which is a decision.

I guess my beef with the diagnosis of alcoholism as a ‘disease’ is that diseases are involuntary both in contraction and in reaction (as in, body’s immune system). Choices, on the other hand, can be coherently and voluntarily made about alcohol.

by Yodazilla on Feb 4, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Alcoholism is involuntary.

The disease is believed to be genetically inherited (no choice there) and the alcoholic brain reacts differently to alcohol than the non alcoholic brain does (no choice there). In a world where alcohol is legal for consumption, it is unrealistic to think a cure for alcoholism is for no one to ever pick up a drink.

by BeauJackson on Feb 4, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did you actually read what I said?

I did not say that no one ever picking up a drink is the most realistic and best way to go.

Different brains react differently, of course. But a disease implies that there is something inherently wrong and an alcoholic’s behavior is blamable on genes. A disease implies that it is natural to act a particular way, and therefore at least somewhat implies that an alcoholic’s actions are ‘ok’.

Forgive me if I’m idealistic and believe that, at the end of the day, we are primarily responsible for our own actions. These actions are influenced by a myriad of things, but in the end, they are still ours.

by Yodazilla on Feb 4, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually an addict needs a wake-up call to realize they have a problem.

They assume that everyone experiences the imbibition of alcohol the same way.

It seems like you’re grossly oversimplifying the situation by dismissing the entire realm of mental disease/illness as not being disease and assuming that the solution for an alcoholic is as simple as choosing not to drink.

Obviously, there’s a behavioral aspect to the disease, but one doesn’t stop being an alcoholic once they stop drinking. I don’t think anyone here is saying, “Hey alcoholics, keep drinking. It’s not your fault.” It’s this black-and-white reading of alcoholism, which isn’t a black-and-white issue, at which some of us seem to be bristling.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 5, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It's widely thought that alcoholism/addiction

is caused by a genetic predisposition. Research is being done.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 5, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Has he relapsed

Or did he simply have a few beers? Isn’t it possible for recovering alcoholics to one day resume consumption in moderation?

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 2, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

that last part is my opinion....

i think its all about self control….the AAers will tell you that your brain wont let you drink/take drugs in moderation

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

...and bi-polarity doesn't exist.

Obsessive-compulsive disorder is a crock. All psychoses are horseshit.

You clearly have zero friends in recovery and/or zero empathy for others.

With addiction, it’s about impulse control and for many who have issues with impulse control once a controlled substance is introduced to the equation a faulty wire starts shorting. But don’t accept this to be true. Just continue on believing that everyone is wired just like you.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 3, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It occurs to me perhaps I'm being a bit defensive.

I don’t suffer from any of these things, but it’s disrespectful to be dismissive of the struggles of others. Mental illnesses and disorders are real.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 3, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i dont have alot of empathy for those who continually make stupid decisions...

if you cant handle drinking, dont do it. ive done alot of dumb stuff while drunk and i drink quite a bit. however, never have i blamed anyone else or a ‘disease’ for my dumb decisions. sure, i wasnt aware of what i was doing when i did them, but i made the conscious decision to put myself in that state.

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Feb 3, 2012 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, that's right, you are a mental health professional, so you're qualified to dismiss alcoholism as being a choice.

I suppose gays are choosing to be so as well.

Genetic predispositions do not exist. BBB hath ordained it to be so.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 3, 2012 4:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i really hope youre a 'mental health professional'

if you’re going to mock me like that…pretty confident you’re not

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 4, 2012 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but I'm not the one discrediting the widely regarded beliefs of the field.

While it doesn’t qualify me in any way, my dad has worked in alcohol treatment on the support group side of things in a clinical setting. As his father was an alcoholic who abandoned his family of nine brothers and sisters when he was 12, he’s always been sure to impart the very real dangers of alcoholism that my possible hereditary predisposition could lead me to.

You seem content to make a nuanced and complex issue black-and-white while disregarding an entire field of scientific work.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 5, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Doing dumb stuff while you're drunk

Is not the same as alcoholism. Alcoholism is hiding vodka bottles in your sock drawer and glove box because you physiologically can’t handle being without alcohol. There is a big difference here that you are glossing over.

by Tito42 on Feb 3, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It is possible.

There is a treatment method in Europe that goes with the moderation route. They claim a 27% success rate with this method if I remember correctly.

by BeauJackson on Feb 2, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a good rate if it is true.

Those 27%-ers had a high rate of resuming alcoholic drinking within 36 months though. AA has a bad rate of success, but the best aspect of it is probably letting people with clean time hear from people who decided to go back out because this time they had it figured out. Keeps the reality of the situation fresh.

by BeauJackson on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't apply a universal reading to all this.

I’d imagine there are some that can. I’d also imagine that Josh Hamilton is not one of those who can as substance abuse probably should have ended him.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 3, 2012 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

that is a very impressive statement...

and what hamilton has done has been very impressive. he realizes he has no self control and outside of a couple times in 6 years, he’s been flawless. and when he does slip, he doesnt hide from it. very commendable. although, i still think hamilton as a role model is a flawed idea. i’d much rather have my future children have role models who never woke up with a needle sticking out of their arm.

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

All role models are flawed

But wouldn’t you rather have one who is open about them?

by Yodazilla on Feb 4, 2012 6:39 AM EST up reply actions  

And Still Alive

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Feb 5, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

like i said...i'd rather not have one who routinely woke up with a needle in his arm....

thats a godawful decision the first time it happened before you became an addict

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Whole Lotta Bullshit

Goin’ on here on both sides of the issue. The middle path is the path to enlightenment.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Feb 5, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

Jeff Montgomery tweets

He’ll be back for pre and post game shows on FSKC.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 5, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

Josh Needs Narconon

He’ll find the way to happiness and get on the bridge to total freedom.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Feb 6, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

I just have quite a few friends in recovery and a family history of addiction.

I am totally fine, though, and am thankfully not in a co-dependent relationship of any sort.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 7, 2012 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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