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Gut Response: Are the Royals Better than the White Sox?

Last week 91% of you voted that the Royals are now better than the Twins. In this vote, we turn slightly to the southeast and ask, "Are the Royals better than the White Sox?"

White Sox in a box: 2011 record: 79-83. Additions: Kosuke Fukudome, Hector Gimenez, Eric Stultz. Losses: Mark Buehrle, Carlos Quentin, Omar Vizquel, Jason Fraser, Josh Kinney, Shane Lindsey, Juan Pierre

It must be said:

  • Projected Rotation with 2011 FIP: Danks (3.79), Floyd (3.73), Humber (3.86), Sale (3.00 as a RP), Peavy (3.52)
  • You'd think that Adam Dunn (.569 OPS) and Alex Rios (.613 OPS) couldn't be worse in 2012, But actually, you can.
  • Sox now have a number of semi-young players out there: Morel (3B), De Aza (LF), Viciedo (RF), and Beckham (2B).
  • Inevitable headline when White Sox are 11-5: "Ventura has White Sox relaxed, having fun again". Inevitable headline when White Sox are 5-11: "Stagnant Sox miss Guillen's passion"
Poll
Are the Royals better than the White Sox?
Yes
903 votes
No
137 votes

1040 votes | Poll has closed

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Probably a lot closer than we would like to believe

The White Sox pitching staff is still really good — Danks, Floyd, and Peavy (for the 2/3 of the season when he pitches) are above average starters, Sale might be too (and might come pretty close to replacing Buehrle’s value), and Humber is not bad for a back of rotation starter. Thornton is really good too, and Reed has a good chance to be too.

The position players are kind of a mess. The Royals might not have a player as valuable as Ramirez (factoring in defense and position), and Konerko is still a very good hitter, but after that, every other position is a bid question mark — they could be decent as they all have talent but they could be horrible.

The Sox are in trouble long term, but they might have enough talent to push .500 this year (I would take the under though).

by Gopherballs on Feb 26, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

I’m more confident that Ramirez is a 4+ WAR player going forward than Gordon.

You may know me as NYRoyal.

by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Their pen is a mess, right?

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a lot of "names," but the guys who should pitch most of the important innings are pretty good (if healthy)

Matt Thornton is pretty underrated — he is tied with Rivera with the most WAR for relievers over the last 3 years (and 1.5 wins ahead of Soria). He probably amassed more value being used a fireman than he would have being used as a closer. Addison Reed pitched about as well as a relief prospect could pitch in the minors and looked pretty good in his cup of coffee. Jesse Crain is a decent setup guy, and Will Ohman is a perfectly fine LOOGY. I would guess the Sox try to keep Zach Stewart as a starter for now, but he would probably be an above average reliever.

by Gopherballs on Feb 27, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I said no...

because I think the Sox rotation is nice, and if healthy, very good… and Adam Dunn couldn’t possibly be that bad. Again.

Plus, they are likely to be “buyers” when the time comes if they think they are in it at all, and that might buy them a few more wins over the Royals.

Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.

by ChrisCEIT on Feb 26, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

It's hard to buy when your broke

Their system is turrible

Is it 2012 yet?

by Gantz9 on Feb 26, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Adam Dunn could be worse.

I think it’s more likely that he’ll rebound a little, but just saying it’s possible.

by hawkinscm87 on Feb 26, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

there's no way he could be worse....

if he’s that bad for about half of the season he wont see the field

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Feb 26, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I suppose I could sprout wings and fly...

but dude just wOBAed 100 points below his previous career low.

Unless he’s just done (heh, get it) then I don’t think there’s any reason he won’t get back to say, a .360 wOBA – that’d put him in the 2.0WAR area, instead of -2.9. Ouch.

Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.

by ChrisCEIT on Feb 27, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they are close

I gave the Royals the nod.

You may know me as NYRoyal.

by Scott McKinney on Feb 26, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

my gut response was yes

But it’s really, really close. 1-3 wins close.

Their staff is very good, but they may have the worst offense in the division.

We should trade for Vance Worley.

by JKWard on Feb 26, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

I gave the Royals the nod...

…mostly because the Sox might be the only team I hate more than the Twins.

We can have unlimited juice? This party's going to be OFF THE HOOK!

by Tracer Bullet 82 on Feb 26, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

I'm surprised there was no mention of Addison Reed under the "additions" column.

He’s put up great strikeout numbers throughout the minors, and could very well earn the closer role by the end of the season.

"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth

by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 26, 2012 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Assuming the Indians are next,

this is the mix of teams that could be anywhere from No. 2-4 in the Central.

by KyleM on Feb 26, 2012 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Royals

I look for both teams to be within a game or two of .500, but give the Royals a better chance of staying relatively healty.

by R_F on Feb 26, 2012 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Call me a pessimist, but I think the pitching differential is too much.

Will the hitting develop in KC? Probably, but the CWS hitters seem ready to bounce back (and the OF regression downwards for KC).

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 26, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

I voted Royals

but I’m not that confident about it.

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Feb 26, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Royals Should be Much Better Than the Sox

The ChiSox won’t score any runs, and while Peavy, Danks, Sale and Floyd are good— I doubt they will be so good that any of them will win more than 12 games. Especially after they get frustrated from a lack of run support and mediocre ’pen. I imagine Floyd and Humber or Peavy will get traded at the deadline for some prospect bats. Sox will win 60-66 games.

KC in the meantime has put together a great bullpen which should make its mediocre rotation seem better and produce at least two 15 game winners (I’m guessing Hoch and Sanchez). And KC will score a good amount of runs. KC should win 79-85 games (hopefully more).

by Esteban Silvani on Feb 26, 2012 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

I have an awfully hard time seeing the ChiSox as a low 60 win team in THIS division with their pitching staff.

Like I said, I gave the nod to the Royals, but the ChiSox won’t be a total disaster. Their offense won’t be good, but they do have Konerko and Ramirez and Dunn can’t be completely written off because of one bad year. They are not a good team, but they are far from the worst team in baseball.

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Feb 26, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck The White Sox

clap clap…..clap clap clap….clap clap clap clap clap clap clap

Shit + Shit = More Shit

by Kansas City Keith on Feb 26, 2012 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

No real

intelligence to that just kinda the first thing that came to mind, fuggin hate that team.

Shit + Shit = More Shit

by Kansas City Keith on Feb 26, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

White Sox and Twins will be battling for last place in 2012 AL Central

The White Sox are a team that is on the downhill slide and moving quickly. For as goofy as he is, I think WS will miss Guillen. Ventura’s inexperience will be costly to them. Sox bullpen isn’t going to help them. Rotation is strong but can Peavy really be counted upon? Yes, Dunn and Rios can be as bad. Dunn is at an age when his skills could drop off the production cliff. Rios hasn’t been good in a while now. Kornerko and AJ are on the downhill, too.

Going to be a long summer for the Sox. Put it on the board!

by daveyork on Feb 26, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

i hated to do it but

i voted no, although it could be really close and/or go the other way…their rotation is better than ours, and while they do have several question marks on offense, couldn’t the same thing be said about us?

if dunn and rios continue to suck, and konerko gets old, it could be really bad for them…however, if dunn bounces back, viciedo’s a player, and rios gives them something decent, i think they could be a .500 or slightly better team.

Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."

--Albert Einstein

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Feb 26, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

The Sox's rotation is better than ours but not all that great

We’ve got a better lineup, and one that has upside, while their guys are all going to get worse. Dunn is dunn. Their only player I like is Konerko, and he’s not getting any younger.

My WAG is the Royals win 78, the Twins are in the 60s, and the Sox struggle to win 72. Cleveland comes in somewhere around the Royals, and Detroit takes the division by a wide margin. This year. Just wait until 2013. (Wait, have I ever heard anyone say that before?)

"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943

by Juancho on Feb 27, 2012 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

Are we better than the White Sox?

Talent-wise? Maybe.

Morally? Yes.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

How could we be morally inferior to a team that employs Harrelson and Pierszynski?

"That fucking fucker of a general swears too fucking much." --Unnamed soldier about Gen. George Patton, 1943

by Juancho on Feb 27, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I said yes

Danks and Floyd are both solid starters but I think the other 3 are questionable for different reasons. Humber is a huge regression candidate, I don’t believe at this point he’s “turned the corner”. Sale has been good from the pen but there is no guarantee he can make the transition to the rotation. Peavy is an injury risk and there is little in the way of SP depth in the system.
I think their offense will be so bad that it might even make our rotation good. I don’t envision a lot of improvement from Dunn and Konerko is definitely on the downside of his career. Their young players really haven’t impressed me that much either. Beckham de Aza and Morel COMBINED for 1.8 fWAR last season. Viciedo had 2.8 fWAR but in his age 27 (prime) season.

I don't have an MD or law degree. I have a baccalaureate in kicking ass and taking names. You know that guy who can pick up any girl, I'm him on crack.

by don_jerovanni on Feb 27, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

"Stay Classy Kansas City"

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