Royals Sign Sal Perez to Long-Term Extension
The Royals made a "major announcement" today, signing catcher Salvador Perez to a five-year contract, with three option years, meaning the Perez could be potentially playing in a Royals uniform til the end of President Rick Santorum's second term. Financial details have not been released yet.
The twenty-one year old Venezuelan was a kid posting a .669 OPS in low A ball just two years ago, but last year enjoyed a meteoric rise through the system with great defense and a decent bat to boot. He ended up getting 158 PAs with the Royals late in the year, hitting .331/.361/.473. His .331 batting average is the higest in franchise history for someone with at least 150 PAs, higher than George Brett, Billy Butler, higher than even Hal Morris.
Perez has also been cited for his "presence", moving grown men to tears with his uncanny ability to invoke pride, inspiration, even outstanding achievement in the field of baseball-excellence.
The best part of this announcement is it likely guarantees Jason Kendall will never again be the Royals starting catcher.
Thoughts on the deal? What kind of financial terms make sense for a young players with this kind of presence?
EDIT: 5 years, $7 million guaranteed according to Bob Dutton.
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did a great thing here with signing Perez. He will be one of the best catchers in baseball in the next 10 years. Most important, It really shows Hosmer and Moose that the Royals are very committed to keeping there great young players. Now lets sign Alex Gordon to a nice contract. I can’t wait for the 2012 season. LETS GO ROYALS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
by Royalsfansincebirth87 on Feb 27, 2012 6:56 PM EST reply actions
Just like the Gil Meche signaled to free agents we were serious!
;)
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
BOOM!
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 27, 2012 8:11 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes
The Royals are very serious. I see changes.
by Royalsfansincebirth87 on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I See Dead
People.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 27, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You may see dead people but
I can see the future and the see the royals locking up their young players.
man im sorry i want the royals to win so damn bad that im forcing myself to believe the royals will spend their money.
by Royalsfansincebirth87 on Feb 27, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
ahhhh... young grasshopper...
I see your faith has not been broken yet. You walk a road littered with many tragic losses. Fall in and man up for 2012. Hope for a good year. Pray for a miracle.
I really don't even know what to say about the Royals anymore.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Feb 27, 2012 8:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes
I am very much ready for the 2012 season. I just want to see a good royals team play close too 500 or better.
by Royalsfansincebirth87 on Feb 27, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
this board is A a PMS factory of bitching and complaining. Hell Rany even made light of the pessimism on here. Don’t worry, I can tell you that many of these doom and glooms cant see the forest from the tress. Does that mean we will make the playoffs over the next 5 years…no. Are we in the best possible position on 15 years to make the playoffs and have a sustained run…absolutely. Except don’t tell the PMS crowd ti get that tough
I'm happy for the rays of optimism
It’s odd being the only person hoping for good things :)
I still have flash backs of Fat Elvis beating Affeldt in a coin toss for the opening day starter.
Just too many bad memories.
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 27, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have those same ones
I even thought Runelvys was halfways decent… we learn things as we get older (It’s not that I was particularly young then- I just needed a convenient excuse)
WOW
I straight up forgot about that. Damn good times, good times.
The Royals have come so far from those days.
by Royalsfansincebirth87 on Feb 27, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
All Star!

MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Feb 27, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
It is hard ti see the forest from the tress
It’s quite the vantage point, tough.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
by JKWard on Feb 27, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the Royal blue Buick can prove long and arduous roller coaster ride...
If you want to get all up and excited, like a teenager in the Playboy Mansion, go for it, but you will likely shoot your wad too soon and be dragging your pimpled ass in August. Seasoned baseball fans know the ticket: not too high, not too low, enjoy the successes, and move on quickly from the failures. Calm down young Royals fans. Take a big whiff of this fresh air, level your head, and remember what this feels like, for if it fades quickly, you will learn the value of proceeding with caution.
I am the one who knocks.
is there a point
in that convoluted mess? They are proceeding with caution. This signing has almost no risk.
i believe he was talking about the fans proceeding with caution with regards to the optimism
b/c it can easily be crushed
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 27, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
This
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 27, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Was definitely not talking about the signing...
Which might become GMDM’s biggest triumph.
I am the one who knocks.
by PhattStairs on Feb 28, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
oh wise one
as fan that enjoyed a 1980 WS game from the stands, I don’t think I qualify as a ‘pimpled ass’ young fan. Rather someone who as seen plenty and knows a good thing when it comes along. Anyone not recognizing the opportunity at hand for the next 5 years needs to adjust their meds and anyone not excited about that opportunity (especially considering the crap we have dealt with since 1994) is braindead (maybe be a pill for that too)
This is gonna be a tough comment to rebuttal, but I want to be clear:
1. I don’t claim to be wise per say; I am only 31. I can tell you that I have seen the shit go down a time or two, from watching my brother go to prison when he was 17 to watching my father battle cancer for 5 years and die when i was 23 to my wife battling breast cancer while we are raising 2 small children to me, now, being disabled and unable to work a job I loved from a crash. I reckon I can be condescending from time to time, but I merely share for understanding. I feel like I have a different take than most don’t have due to the extreme life experiences, so, truly, pardon me if it comes off as condescension. I really do enjoy sharing my life with others, as bad as it can get (or as good as it gets for that matter). When I share things so openly, I leave the door open for criticism, such as the “pill for that too” comment. I really took that to heart. I reckon it is a calculated retort for the “pimpled ass” routine I dished out, but, none the less, the “pill for that too” comment does not represent my views in anyway (I am assuming this is a dig from the OT thread).
2. I was once a screamer from the towers myself. Every year I ran around like Chicken Little claiming “89 wins!” or “Playoff bound baby!” But I found Royals Review, and essentially reason. The predictability of the advanced stats was shocking. It almost turned me away from baseball. I thought, “If numbers can predict what will happen so accurately, why even follow?” A few of those years, it was so obvious from the stats how bad the Royals were going to be. The suckage was inevitable. But I bleed Royals blue, and I eventually adapted. There is still room for speculation. Alex Gordon this year is a fun example. Finding new ways to analyze the game has now left me even more pleased than before.
3. Yes, there is opportunity at hand with a core in place, but we are getting mixed signals from the front office. I find no reason to overexcite myself with a pitching staff lead by Bruce Chen, Luke Hochevar, and Jonathan Sanchez. If they all stay healthy AND perform at least as good as they have before, which isn’t saying much, they will still likely be awful. What if a couple of them get hurt or, say, they revert to their previous version of awfulness? No reason to get super amped here. I understand fandom. I see the fun in getting excited. It’s just that, I don’t like to argue with numbers.
4. You took a pot shot calling Royals Review a “PMS factory”. I think you meant to say a “Snarky Comedic Machine”. All jokes aside, I get it. A lot of the articles here can be perceived as a kind of a the-Royals-will-never-win flavor, but there is a lot of nuance that is missed in the articles. Most times the articles are backed with evidence as to why we should or should not want to believe. The fact is, in the last 20 years, the Royals have not kept their young players, so I find no reason to share Royalsfansincebirth87’s decree of unabashed positivity. I like hard facts. The Salvador Perez contract is astounding. I love it. It is one deal, and it is an abnormality right now. But being a Royals fan, I am always on red alert. Does this signing mean that the Royals only offer lowball offers? Does this mean signing Hosmer long-term is out of the question? I doubt it, but being pragmatic, I won’t get too optimistic.
5. I do love the optimism. Its great. Positive feelings can lead to positive outcomes. One thing I think the Royals have going for them right now is that they do seem to all be young and positive and focused on winning. I don’t think they seem to think, “Oh, we will fuck it up, cause we are the Royals.” Like some past teams that have had that feel.
When we can get the feelings and the science on the same page, I will be ready to scream for a playoff birth season come April 2013…2014…2015.
I am the one who knocks.
by PhattStairs on Feb 28, 2012 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
That sir was
beautiful. And while I haven’t had quite as bad of a run as you, I’m 36 and have also seen quite a bit and would like you to know that I wholeheartedly concur with most of what you just wrote. I have very guarded optimism regarding this team right now. I feel like some things would really have to go our way, but that we might not be that far off.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 28, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I've never been held up by a sub sandwich before!
And thus, I’ve never broke an attempted robbers arm like a total badass. You win.
I am the one who knocks.
by PhattStairs on Feb 28, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Beautiful.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
interesting post….sorry for the pain you have been through. You seem to confusing enthusiasm for the organization and the window now opening with blind enthusiasm for this particular season.
And you just seem confused. And you’re blindly lashing out at anyone who isn’t entirely excited about this team now or in the near future. Grow up.
You may know me as NYRoyal.
by Scott McKinney on Feb 28, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
blindly lashing out? Any examples? Callis (BA) Goldstein (BP), Olney/Lay (ESPN) Rany are all calling today moving forward the Royals window. If you disagree, please say why. Anyone blindly being pessimistic can also explain why. Pointing out this is hardly ‘lashing out’.
As for the PMS nature of this board, it is interestingly how the futures power rankings series by ESPN was ignored by the moderators.
i dont understand how signing a guy
for 5 years who is already controlled for the next 6 pushes the window ahead. is perez going to play better because he got this deal?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 29, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
As for the PMS nature of this board, it is interestingly how the futures power rankings series by ESPN was ignored by the moderators.
you do know that there are fanshots and fanposts out there right? you think will and scott write an article commenting on everything thats written about the royals on the net?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 29, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
nope
they ignore the positive stuff. Its their board and so be it. But the pessimistic pounding is so years ago. The place this franchise currently sits is unbelievably positive (even ignoring the horrid last 18 years). Again, they/you can believe whatever they want to, but not realizing the opportunity we have for the next 5 years is blind pessimism (and getting old)
im sure scout.com is still accepting registration then...
or pinetarpress or lee judge’s comment section. if you dont like the ‘negativity’ around here, create some positivity or quit bitching.
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 29, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
So wait, you are expecting people to actually read something at ESPN?
Why would anyone voluntarily go there for anything written about the Royals?
Sporadically musing on the Royals at both Royals Review and Royalscentricity, pop culture at Inconsiderate Prick, SVU at Munch My Benson and on Twitter at Old Man Duggan
by Old Man Duggan on Mar 1, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I have never felt like Royals Review is "their" board.
One of the reasons I like it here is because so much of the content is driven by the commentators. But yeah, I guess if you ignore 3/4 of the articles by ignoring the Fan Shots and Fan Posts, then I could see why you would come to a completely different perception of this place than I would.
And for the record, I thought the PMS comment was pretty fucking stupid, for all the reasons PhattStairs listed.
Look duder...
Welcome aboard. Post away. But you, as I did, will find out quickly how to make logical arguments for your side. I’m not saying that you haven’t made logical arguments; they just haven’t exactly been presented well.
I think Scott was referring to your blindly lashing out because I clearly pointed out that I was excited as hell for this season, but clearly stated that the starting rotation was a major weak link. So I am not confusing blind enthusiasm with enthusiasm for the “window now open”. I was saying that there is factual information to be skeptical about how open that window is. What if our starting pitching fails miserably, and then GMDM does nothing to correct it in the offseason? There are not many signs at this point that the Royals would supplement the positional talent with some high priced aces. So yes, I am not only questioning blind enthusiasm, I am also questioning the “calculated” enthusiasm because I don’t think some fans have calculated it correctly. So I’m not confusing the two, but merely saying, “Get excited, but be aware that the excitement MAY not be warranted.” So I am not blindly being pessimistic nor being optimistic. I just ain’t the type to be either. Personally, I like to hang out in the middle and look at the numbers. Deep down inside, there is the kid in me that really thinks if everything broke right this team could win the World Series, but that enthusiasm is buried in the deepest recesses of my soul, hardened by years of Neifi Perez trades and Yuni Betancourt signings.
I will also again point out that saying “the PMS nature of this board” is rather off-putting. First of all, I am not one for political correctness, but I think this is a slight to the female posters on this board. Not only that, if basically what you are saying is, “Y’all are a bunch of winey women,” and that this is a bad thing, than it is definitely derogatory towards women. Not saying you can’t joke around, just saying it makes your arguments lackluster when you throw out sweeping generalizations. Besides the fact, most “negative” articles on this board are merely presentations of statistics and what they may mean. If we had Pujols on our team for 10 years, I am sure you would have seen some highly “optimistic” articles. Also, as Will has pointed out in his interview, that this site is somewhat of an extension of what baseball fans want. Since we can’t get the hardcore statistical evidence and analysis in the public media we turn to Royals Review and other blogs for this. I think it is good to have a blog that is grounded in realism.
I am the one who knocks.
Im sorry
I assumed your quote about ‘If you want to get all up and excited, like a teenager in the Playboy Mansion, go for it, but you will likely shoot your wad too soon and be dragging your pimpled ass in August’ was what you meant…not what you didn’t. There is no way to construe that into anything but your impression of this season…the exact point of my ‘window for 5 years’ counter-argument.
As for the PMS nature of this board, it is interestingly how the futures power rankings series by ESPN was ignored by the moderators.
If you consider it conversation-worthy, feel free to post. Sounds very interesting.
by Rufus R. Jones on Feb 29, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, bbb
I had not yet seen your above post.
by Rufus R. Jones on Feb 29, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Optimism comes in many flavors
I am very optimistic that I will enjoy the 2012 season. I’m not from the KC area originally and my favorite football and college teams are perennial powerhouses. It’s actually almost more fun to be a fan without the pressure of expecting a championship every year.
I think a lot of the veteran fans around here have the same attitude. we’re not optimistic about winning a lot of games, but very optimistic about being entertained, which is really what this whole industry is about anyway.
Between this and the OT thread
Can I call you my favorite RR poster? I think so. Congratulations, PhattStairs.
too kind...
Thank you. I just want people to know if I can change, you can change, WE CAN ALL CHANGE!
I am the one who knocks.
by PhattStairs on Feb 28, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I should have used the sarcasm font just in case

I am the one who knocks.
by PhattStairs on Feb 28, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Your name is both disturbing and lewd. You scare us all.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 27, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sal's bank account will now have a lot more
PEREZENCE
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 27, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
No recognition for this?
I think it’s pretty good…
by hawkinscm87 on Feb 27, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
There
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 28, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
He was my number one young guy extension candidate
They really like him. He needs financial certainty. My intuition says 5 years/15 million with 6, 8, 10 club options.
by WURoyal on Feb 27, 2012 6:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Its 5 years 7 million
No word on the club options yet
That seems pretty cheap
So even if he sucks they can cut him/trade him and not be out much money.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Dutton just said total value maxes out at 26.75 million
by Connor Moylan on Feb 27, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Unless he is riddled with injuries, there is almost no way he doesn’t earn his money.
by Connor Moylan on Feb 27, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
In comparison
Yadi Molina is reportedly close to a 4-5 year deal worth $40-50 million. And Sal has a higher career batting average than Yadi, therefore Sal > Yadi, right?
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Hopefully Perez doesn't end up with some lame neck tattoos.
by BeauJackson on Feb 27, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I hope this isn't true.
I was really hoping he’d hose the BFIB.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 27, 2012 8:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
can't judge before financial aspect of it is revealed
that’s a lot of years though for someone with only 150 big league PAs. the end are club options, but i wonder how much is guarenteed. could be a steal if he turns out to be consistently good, but also could bite the royals if not.
Highest Paid Catchers by AAV per Cot's
1. Joe Mauer, $23,000,000 (2011-18)
2. Jorge Posada, $13,100,000 (2008-11)
3. Mike Piazza, $13,000,000 (1999-2005)
4. Jason Varitek, $10,000,000 (2005-08)
. . . Ivan Rodriguez, $10,000,000 (2004-07)
. . . Jason Kendall, $10,000,000 (2002-07)
7. Mike Napoli, $9,400,000 (2012)
8. Ivan Rodriguez, $8,500,000 (1999-2002)
9. Joe Mauer, $8,250,000 (2007-10)
10. Kenji Johjima, $8,000,000 (2009-11)
11. Russell Martin, $7,500,000 (2012)
12. Ramon Hernandez, $6,875,000 (2006-09)
13. A.J. Pierzynski, $6,250,000 (2009-10)
14. John Buck, $6,000,000 (2011-13)
15. Miguel Montero, $5,900,000 (2012)
16. Mike Napoli, $5,800,000 (2011)
17. Benji Molina, $5,333,333 (2007-09)
18. Jason Varitek, $5,000,000 (2009)
19. Chris Snyder, $4,750,000 (2009-11)
20. Brian McCann, $4,666,667 (2007-12)
well, keep in mind those are mostly deals for free agent or later arbitration years
Perez was already getting paid virtually the league minimum for the next three years and then his first two years of arbitration at significant discounts.
Pretty sure Brett had a higher avg than .331 and more than 150 PAs
Unless I am missing
the joke
Perez has the highest career batting average
Brett only hit like .305. Perez = HOFer.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Yes
You missed “the joke.”
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 27, 2012 8:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wow that is dirt cheap.
If he’s on the roster, he’d make something like 3.5 million as a backup for those years even if he was Pena-level.
by WURoyal on Feb 27, 2012 7:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
1.4 million AAV with essentially 3 7 million dollar club options for a total AAV of 3.4 ish.
by WURoyal on Feb 27, 2012 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
meaning the Perez could be potentially playing in a Royals uniform til the end of President Rick Santorum’s second term
Retro is trying to brain wash us!
Per Bob Dutton
Total value of Sal Perez’s contract if he maxes all incentives over eight years is $26.75 million.
What does a man have to do around here to get a championship?
Hit me up on twitter: @RockChalkChief
Whoops, missed Moylan's post up there #MyBad
What does a man have to do around here to get a championship?
Hit me up on twitter: @RockChalkChief
It's the new market inefficiency
They can limit our dollars in the draft, but they can’t limit our ability extend talented / inexperienced guys already on the roster.
Royal love from the Rockies.
And it will be much more attainable when guys don't have big bonuses
Good scouting rewards you with guys who you signed for a bargain and you really like. Those are the guys who want certainty and you want to lock in.
The new CBA just might be a backdoor to reign in salaries.
by WURoyal on Feb 27, 2012 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Who do I charge for the vomit on my keyboard
from the Santorum comment?
by stlfan on Feb 27, 2012 7:11 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Pujols.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
by JKWard on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this isn't getting the attention is deserves.
I guess Royals Fan is asleep because he has jobs to wake to in the morning.
Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.
I like Santorum ...I know I'm 15 but I like him....It's also not from my parents either
Don't you ever play GM- Lee "Touch of Gray" Judge
by tiquanunderwear on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
You mean the candidate, right?
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Well that wasn't a fun thing to look up
Don't you ever play GM- Lee "Touch of Gray" Judge
by tiquanunderwear on Feb 27, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Keep looking Tiquan, Keep Looking....
on the political end. The fact that his name has become a synonym for anal sex slurry should tell you something. You should be reading A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn, or maybe Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky. Reading befitting a hungry young mind.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 27, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Don't do it tiquan.
Those will pollute your mind. Read the Wall Street Journal instead.
by hawkinscm87 on Feb 27, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
He's young. He should read both before he settles into his corner like the rest of us.
Besides, whichever way he leans, his arguments for his own beliefs will always be better if he understands the thinking of those he disagrees with.
So, my point, young tiquanunderwear, is you have a lot of studying to do!
Don't listen to these people tiquanunderwear
Reading is for suckers. All relevant information in this world is distributed via Podcast.
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
Tiquan, don't listen to this fool
You don’t need books or a podcast to tell you how to FEEL, and if you’re not living your life by FEEL, you’re doing it wrong!!
^ Lee Judge's daily affirmation ^
I am the one who knocks.
by PhattStairs on Feb 28, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As an "stlfan" like my user name suggests
I thank goodness for people like Lee Judge, because I’m not the only one here taking endless crap.
My Head Was
Pierced by a pink beam of light which revealed all to me. It was worth waiting for.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 28, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Considering either of those books are weekend reads.
He’s only missing out on like 2-3 self-pleasure episodes. Or 7-8 if he’s a slow reader.
Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.
Somebody in one of the open threads
encouraged liberals to read the WSJ opinion page, and conservatives to read the NY Times opinion page. I think that’s sage advice.
At the risk of putting myself in the firing line, I will state that I am really not a fan of Zinn.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 28, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
That was me!
And, yeah, I highly recommend it because i think it’s one of the best ways to learn about the things that matter to the other side, and also see how a rational, thoughtful person looks at it and argues for it.
Never hurts to read from both sides. Anything to dissuade a person from the very human inclination
to assume the opposing side is populated by morons or evil bastards. However, I really don’t think there is much of a true “lefty” opinion presence at the big papers, inlcuding NY Times. Krugman is the best. But after that, it gets thin fast. Not a fan of Friedman. Brooks sucks choad, hard to classify him as a lefty. Dowd and Collins are just sad, what a waste of valuable newspaper space. Hard to quantify these types of things, but as far as syndicated opinion columnists go, much “bigger” names center-right. To truly balance out WSJ opinion page, you’d have to get into the weeds a bit on the left, and dig up a copy of The Nation, or The Progressive. Maybe a little Z Magazine.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 28, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Good God
I can’t evn read the star and from my own opinion. Where the fuck am I suppose to acuire and comprehend this shit?
Shit + Shit = More Shit
by Kansas City Keith on Feb 29, 2012 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
Correct. You can't inform your own opinion. Talk radio is where the truth resides.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 29, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
I get most of my political opinion
from The Onion.
by Rufus R. Jones on Feb 29, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Area Man
out to prove that politicians are all the same, but for his vote and/or a few dollars, they will tell him that they are looking our for what is best for Area Man and Area Man’s Offspring.
by Rufus R. Jones on Feb 29, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Area Man
out to prove that politicians are all the same, but for his vote and/or a few dollars, they will tell him that they are looking our for what is best for Area Man and Area Man’s Offspring.
by Rufus R. Jones on Feb 29, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I feel really guilty for typing it
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Feb 28, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
But not guilty enough to not type it
That's the key
by sterlingice on Feb 28, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I would certainly HOPE you aren’t gaining an…appreciation…for Santorum from your parents.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Feb 27, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Obama has to be rooting for Santorum in the primaries
He’s far too extreme to be elected. It would be an absolute landslide.
by stlfan on Feb 27, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not necessarily that he's extreme...
Just that he’s extreme in the wrong area. Extreme social conservatism is not as popular as it once was.
Totally understandable
You probably don’t like going to school and he doesn’t want you to.
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by KC_Satchmo on Feb 27, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it is 5 years, $7 million guaranteed
He would have been paid $500K for the first three years anyway, so the deal is really $5.5 million for his first two years of arbitration (plus whatever the options are). If he is an average-ish catcher, that might be a little less than he would get, although Chris Ianetta settled for a three year deal in his first year of arbitration for $1.75 million (year 1), $2.55 million (year 2), and $3.55 million (year 3).
by Gopherballs on Feb 27, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
for the cost controlled years, though, that is not really the issue
The salary for those years is already heavily discounted, so most players should easily cover the value. The real question is whether the multi-year deal gets the player at an additional discount over the already discounted salaries he would be receiving if the team went year to year with him.
Yadier Molina only got about $5.5 million for his first two years of arbitration ($2 million including signing bonus for year 1, $3.25 million for year 2, plus about $375K in pro rata guaranteed for his option buyout).
So $5.5m over the first two arb years,
He needs to produce about 1.5 WAR a season to cover it.
I’ll take the over.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Isn't the point the analysis of the value of his contract?
Because here’s the thing; there is some inherent risk in long-terming unproven, young talent.
The biggest risk the Royals are taking is that Perez tanks, or gets injured, or a combination therein, and they receive little to no value for this contract.
The upside to a deal like this is that it guards them against his arbitration years should he happen to over-perform or excel. They have locked themselves in to a dollar figure for years 1 and 2, which may be a bad thing, but given both inflation and the miniscule amount of production required from catchers to achieve even a modicum of relevant value, there is very little risk in the Perez contract, and the risk that exists is miniscule when compared to the potential reward that the Royals will not be paying more through arbitration.
Comparative to what he may have hoped to earn in those arb years, factoring in inflation, the Royals are either A) saving money, B)paying him his value, C) out a guaranteed $5.5m if he tanks/gets injured, which is a much better risk for them to take given the nature of the reward.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
saying he only need to provide x amount of WAR to cover it is not really the issue
Cost controlled years are already heavily discounted so he may need to only post 1.5 WAR to cover what he would have made as a year to year player. The relevant issue is whether the buyout provides some additional value than going year to year. The option years look like this is where the value is.
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that
Particularly the first two buyout years. There are very few catchers that I would want to give $7m+ to.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
uhh...yeah there would....
cost certainty…especially if they really believe he’s as good as they say he is…he’d be in line to earn a shit ton more than $7 million
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 27, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
If Sal goes off
and becomes a 3+ WAR player, he’d make a lot more than $5.5m in those first two years of arbitration. And if he’s only a 1 WAR player, he’d still be making about $4m in those years. So there’s still a lot of upside in the arbitration years.
The only downside is that if he gets injured, we’ll owe him $7m. That’s 3.5 Yunis.
so he got close to the market rate guaranteed through his arb
in exchange for three affordable club options?
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, depending on the option details, the real value would seem to be from the options
not the buyout of the first two arbitration years.
Arb will increase too. This deal is meh if he’s just a catcher. If he’s really good it will be a very good deal given salary inflation. If he really bad we just blew 7 million, but I don’t think anyone contends he’ll perform at worse than a backup level barring career ending injury.
by WURoyal on Feb 27, 2012 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
inflation at such low dollar amounts is not going to make much of a difference
and there were a lot more catchers making eight figures 5 years ago than there are now
So does that mean
we only have $5M of the Meche money left?
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 27, 2012 8:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Damn
$3M…forgot about Yuni.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was really hoping he would just forget to report
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Interested to see amount of incentives. But I really like it. Low money. They really like the kid. Signed him for two of his peak years for what will be peanuts given salary inflation.
by WURoyal on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not sure if Ianetta is a great comparison,
I think the Royals expect Sal to play more often and with more consistent defense than Ianetta did in his first 3.5 years.
different type of player, but Ianetta was basically a league average player prior to his first arb year
which was what I was looking for a quick and dirty instant analysis purposes
Really difficult not to like this deal. For comparison, we’ll pay Sal less for five years than we paid Kendall.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Feb 27, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions
This was just absolutely priceless. Or is it precious?

We should trade for Vance Worley.
by JKWard on Feb 27, 2012 7:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very does that nonsense come from?
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by Hanging Brainister on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
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Forming not a brain, but merely a thin string of the veiled consciousness that is Facebook Fans.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
by JKWard on Feb 27, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's very bummed that he has no "like"s
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Adam Neff has issues too.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 27, 2012 8:19 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Very good deal
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by tiquanunderwear on Feb 27, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions
Absolutely love it. Worst case scenario is we pay him $3.5m per next two years and he crashes/gets hurt and we decline his option. My understanding is that since this isn’t buying out FA years, declining his option just means we have to decide whether or not to offer him arbitration, which we can always decline, making him a free agent. Truth? Anyway, it’s well worth the risk. So much so that i almost wonder why Sal even signed it. Guess security is important, but man, he might be leaving a pile of money on the table.
It does buy out free agent years
He would be eligible for free agency after the 2017 season. We have club options for 2018 and 2019. If we decline those, he is free to sign with anyone.
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my understanding is that the first option would not be until his final arbitration eligible year
you are correct that if the team declines the option for that year, it can still retain Perez by offering arbitration.
Holy F@ck I just drank one of my homebrews
more than two weeks before it’s ready … projection was to be over 8% ABV … it’s not clear yet (so it’s not done condtioning in the bottle)
but by the way my head is spinning, the projection of 8% ABV is clearly an underestimate.
I should let this brew languish in the bottle (AAA) for at least another nine months, then open another one to see if it’s really ready to drink.
It should have tasted similar to a Newcastle Brown Ale, but it’s more like a hard cider at this point …
it sure has plenty of GRIT!
I think I’ll name it CATCHER’S GRIT BREW and put a picture of HWNSNBM on the label.
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umm... this was a metaphor
that actually transpired.
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by BillyMojo on Feb 27, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So we locked up a guy who made the bigs at age 21 for the next 5 years
for roughly the same ammount of money we gave a HS kid from Gardner. And we have the option for 3 more years of him at a reasonable price if he actually is good.
Hmmm….
I think I approve of this.
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by Mas Cervezas on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks homie
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Great signing for KC
He’s proven above average defense already and even if he hits .200, his defense is worth that. What are backup catchers getting money wise? this is cheaper.
Matt Treanor got a million bucks from the Dodgers
Gerald Laird – $1 mill
Kelly Shoppach – $1.35 mill
Brian Schneider – $800k
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but those guys were free agents
Brayan Pena is a pretty good comp for club control backups — he got $660K for his arb year (about $200K above the minimum) and $875K for his second arb year (about $400K above the minimum).
Great signing
I will ramble quite a bit on him for tomorrow.
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I may just start by comparing the signing to this one:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4735551
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 27, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hm... 3 years of arby Sal Perez vs 2 years of GRIT!
GRIT wins in a mudslide? Sandstorm? Earthquake? Am I just grasping for Pokemon moves now?
How can this be anything but a win?
I don’t think he has a huge ceiling, but even if he’s just good enough for the League of Backup Catchers™, he’s at cost.
So he was going to get paid $1M the next two years pre-arb. That means as long as he does better than $2M per year for the 3 years after that, they’ve come out ahead. And what happens if he’s actually, you know, good? Then the savings are enormous.
than Yadier Molina assuming 5% salary inflation
And that was widely considered a very good under-market extension in retrospect I believe.
I think I like this deal.
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Damon’s@
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 27, 2012 8:22 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
It only seems that way
since Damon wasn’t throwing to 2nd from his knees
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 28, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I think these are the types of moves that Royals have to make...
if they want to try to sustain any long term success. I just don’t think we can realistically afford to extend any players with Hosmer-like hype. I mean that in terms of dollars and risk. I think we’re better off trying to extend our young players, who may not have the top-tier ceilings that others have had and hope they outperform their projections. This keeps risk at a minimum and could provide some huge dividends.
Thats great
but whos sal perez?
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by Kansas City Keith on Feb 27, 2012 8:41 PM EST reply actions
I'd be happy with this deal
even if it was simply to have him do his killer Andre the giant impression in the post-game for the next 7 years. Huzzah!
by NobodyFsWDeJesus on Feb 27, 2012 8:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lee Judge hates it
He doesn’t block enough balls
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by tiquanunderwear on Feb 27, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions
Article from BtB
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/2/27/2829344/royals-lock-up-salvador-perez#storyjump
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Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it.
Great deal for the Royals.
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by PhattStairs on Feb 27, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Salvador Dali Parton
Would make interesting country music and even more surreal paintings.
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by philofthenorth on Feb 28, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dutton with the base values
https://twitter.com/#!/Royals_Report
$21.75 for the base contract over the 7 years.
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8 yes
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 27, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Look forward to your analysis Jess
What sayeth McKinney?
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 27, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jefus, I called you Jess.
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by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 27, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I've been sick as a dog all day
I like it. Seems low risk. Even if he completely flames out, they won’t have to eat much money. And it seems like Perez will at least be a competent backup catcher. And the option years aren’t too expensive, so if he becomes an average or better player, they’ll have a nice value in him.
I don’t think this a mega-deal. It’s not the Longoria contract, because we’re not dealing with a Longoria talent. But it’s a good move.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hope you feel better soon. My family got ransacked by the flu last month.
We only talk about it in whispered voices, if at all. It’s still too fresh. The money seems so slight that he’d have to be a horrible flop, or besot by injury, for it to be labeled a true blue failure. If the Royals FO has him projected correctly, it could be a nice upside move. Personally, I agree that it’s far from a MAJOR move, but I’m somewhat chuffed that the FO is even thinking in these terms with the young talent.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 27, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I like these moves
If you think a player’s reasonable floor is at least a MLB bench player, and if he has some nice upside, then why not offer him a low risk, moderately priced, long-term deal? Seems wise.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Glass all but demanded it
He publicly said they should start extensions now. Apart from pitchers, who are much much higher risks injury and probably talent-wise, they weren’t going to get any other premier young player’s deal done, IMO.
When was this?
Sorry I’m just interested in looking at the actual quote. I’m just kind of surprised this came down from ownership.
And Molina signs a 5 year 70-75 million dollar extension
So the market value on those FA buyout years just went up to 15 million per if Perez performs like Yadi (though a 5 year extension at 15 AAV would translate to a higher AAV for 2 years). I think he could be better or worse. Obviously, its not the most likely outcome, but I think it’s what the Royals envision as a reasonable success for Perez.
In fairness
the Cardinals probably just drastically overpaid for Molina.
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5 seasons of 3 WAR at $5MM/WAR
Somewhat of a standard calculation. There aren’t many comps for these types of deals because there aren’t many guys putting up those numbers consistently.
Those who do get paid.
But thats the point
Molina hasn’t put up those types of numbers consistantly. He’s probably in the 2.5-3.5 range but as a catcher, injury concerns have to be there.
I don’t think they overpaid too much by the numbers, but the injury risk and the risk of him simply getting to the point where he can no longer perform would push the amount down.
5/60 I think would have been a fairer deal.
"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.
I mean you have to consider the market.
Where were they going to replace his value from when he signs with Anaheim for more in the offseason?
Would another team or teams have matched the Card’s deal? I say yes. Almost every big club would be interested, presumably.
exactly
I doubt the most successful mid/small market team in baseball history is suddenly stupid enough to sign ridiculously overvalued contracts for their key players.
I may be way off,
but haven’t they greatly overpaid for Matt Holiday?
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 28, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
He’s getting paid like he’s about a 3.4 WAR player. Over the past three years, he’s been a 5+ WAR player.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 28, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
He's been worth 12.7 the last four years total
According to fangraphs, that equated to being worth $56.3M over 4 seasons – or $14.075M a year.
Latest word is that it is a 6 year deal (buying out this year’s deal) worth $12.5 a season.
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It’s hard to find anything to not like about this and he could use some optimism points :)
Interesting discussion topic: Who else would you be willing to sign to this exact same deal?
Hosmer and Moose are easy yes’s, as this deal would be way cheap for them given their upsides. But who else? Probably Duffy, as I think he’ll at least be a good reliever (see Jeremy Affeldt). Gia? I wouldn’t. Escobar? Definitely, even if altered for his more advanced service time. Cain? Probably not, but maybe. Is that too much guaranteed money for a 4th OFer? Maybe, maybe not.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 10:40 PM EST reply actions
If all goes well for a couple months this season
Wouldn’t mind Holland being locked up.
by BeauJackson on Feb 27, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Escobar and Cain both, for sure. If Gia wants to do so, I'd do it, too
The deal is just so club friendly. Hard to pass it up
by sterlingice on Feb 27, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not for Gia.
If he can’t hit enough to start, he doesn’t have any value as bench player, but yeah…I could still see it.
Would you do it for Holland?
Or do you think relievers are too volatile?
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Reliever volatility is a concern
But at the same time, it seems like the deal is dirty cheap. But also, non-closer relievers are very cheap in arbitration years. I think I’d want a cheaper deal for Holland on a long-term extension, and I think they could get it.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely wouldn't have him able to earn $26 million
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I’d knock the dollar values down a bit. The only way Holland wouldn’t do it is if he and his agent are thinking that there’s big upside to his value if he eventually becomes a closer (like when Soria’s contract is up). So if you put in significant incentives or salary escalators based on games finished or Saves, I think he’d do it.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's true
If you’re negotiating with him as the closer, his price goes up. I like the idea of lower dollars and incentivizing it heavily. Relievers blow up even without injuries, and are much more easily replaced than position players, so the Royals should only be paying Glen Hardlog significant money if he beats the odds by staying healthy and pitching effectively for the next several years.
Can you do that?
Have incentives based on number of saves? Or would you have to word it like “games finished” or something like that?
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Probably games finished. I know I’ve seen that. “Saves” is probably too performance-y for MLB.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned this earlier but I think this is the only way we could hope to have any long-term success.
Highly touted prospects like Hos and Moose will never probably sign deals like this. I realistically don’t believe we’d have much of an opportunity to sign those players at all. If we want to continue to be competitive and not just in waves, I think we need sign players like Duffy, Cain, Escobar (if a similar deal could be worked). Like you said, it’s low risk and potentially rewarding. Every once in a while a player may outperform his projections and prove for great rewards.
Good point
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
True, but such a deal wouldn’t commit the Royals to any FA years. They are option years.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
but I don't see the advantage vs no risk.
We have Cain for 6 more seasons, 3 at roughly 500K/year and then 3 arb seasons, correct?
And it would be hard to imagine more than a couple million in the first year of arb. Do I really want to guarantee all that and another year of arb for a player who will be declining by the option years? No. The option years hold the most value in this scenario. And it make much more sense if those option years are for a player’s prime seasons rather than his age 32 and 33 seasons when a lot of his value might be tied up in average to above average CF.
Wouldn’t you like to have the option to have the player at perhaps a below market price (or just decline the option if you’d rather not)? I’m not saying I’d do this contract for Cain. I concluded probably not, above. But I don’t think age is a concern. The price for five cost controlled years is small. It’s not likely they are likely overpaying for those years in such a contract. The guarantee is quite small. And the option years merely provide a way for the team to keep the player if the price-for-production looks good at the time. I wouldn’t buy out FA years for such a player, but having them as an option is a good thing. And the cheap guarantee during 5 of 6 cost controlled years (barely more than $1M per year) is a small price to pay (and probably less than he’d likely cost if he actually went to arbitration).
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
It all depends on how you feel about a player.
I hope Cain is very good, but I have some strong doubts. He’s not a player I would gamble on in this scenario. I understand the 4th OF appeal and to that extent I suppose it’s pretty low risk, but I see a very small possibility for reward as well. I wouldn’t sign him this early, for sure. If he’s truly a 4th OF you probably overpay by about 3.5 million, not going to kill you, but I need better enticement to do it than Lorenzo Cain in 2016-18.
And I think age has a ton to do with how valuable the option years will be which is key for me because I don’t want to guarantee dollars I don’t have to.
Maybe I’m way off-base, but I would bet that Lorenzo Cain never makes 5 million dollars a year.
I wouldn’t bet that with Salvador Perez before or after he signed this contract.
$5M isn’t going to be a lot of money in 2018.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Lousy Obama!
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, unable to get a paying job playing baseball by age 32? So you apparently think he flat out sucks.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Escobar
I need to see more out of Gia this year before I would. If he’s serviceable defensively and appears to hit better post hip surgery I might.
Myers, once he shows something at AAA.
Monty, Lamb, or Odorizzi maybe once I see some AAA dominance as well.
I don't see any reason to do it with Gio
Far too shaky of a track record and defense-wise. Plus second baseman don’t age well, and typically they’re fairly replaceable.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
And he has a low floor
If he can’t make it as an everyday 2B, he may not be able to stick as a utility IFer since he can’t play SS.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 27, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
Christian Colon is teh awesome
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 27, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I was just going to say he's waiting in the wings
but a Boras candidate.
Would you guys factor that we have 2 to 4 high ceiling CF prospects?
Add that to Cain’s projected ceiling and age, I might wait until after this season to see what Cain has.
(Myers, Starling, Hernandez and Eibner are the 2 to 4. Even with prospect attrition I am going to bet one of these high pedigree guys pushes Cain out by the end of his arb years)
I think any hope for Myers as a CF has been dead with the club for at least a year.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 28, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Unless Cain has a no trade clause, you can build value that way for a trade
if one of our cf prospects pan out.
Go Royals!
and then trade him for more CF prospects...and repeat...
soon, we’ll have all the center-fielders in the WORLD!!!
by Loose Seal on Feb 28, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In post I am working on, this deal breaks even, vs signing FA, if the player produced just over 0.5 WAR.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 27, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with your list completely...
although i think i would add montgomery
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 28, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
and myers as well
your success rate on these deals doesnt have to be great to come out way ahead
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 28, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
12 guaranteed with the possibility of 45 or so through 8 years...
somewhere around there would be my limit with moose
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 28, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I really like it.
It isn’t a blockbuster deal, but it might be my favorite deal the Royals have done since I’ve been old enough to really follow that side of the sport. This deal has a lot more upside than downside.
GMDM inching towards clear competency?
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 28, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions
He could be
Being aided by Glass allowing spending.
by BeauJackson on Feb 28, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
He didn't really spend here, though.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 28, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
i dont know if thats really fair....
he spent $7 million on a guy who has played 39 mlb games at the urging of his baseball people
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 28, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but $7MM over five years isn't much of a commitment.
I’m not saying that this isn’t a good signing. Far from it. I just don’t know that I’d cite this signing as an instance of getting Glass to loosen the purse-strings.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 28, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
I agree - GMDM deserves all the credit for this deal
I don’t give Glass any credit unless he threw in a new wal-mart in Sal’s hometown in Venezuela.
Glass was willing to lock up young players after their first year before
Remember Angel Berroa?
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DeJesus' contract was actually a steal
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 28, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
It Could Go
As high as $26.75M, and I hope it does.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 28, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Same here, but obviously if it gets to that it's because the player is worth the money.
What’s at risk is a measly $7MM.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 28, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
He locked up a young player who the team seems high on.
If he turns into a above average plaer, no Dye/Damon/Beltran trade is on the horizon.
by BeauJackson on Feb 28, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Shouldn't we wait until Perez shows he can make it through a few seasons before that?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
You can only judge a deal by the information available at the time that it was made. Based on the information available at this time, it should be a good deal, with a good chance at being a great deal. Whether Sal gets hit by a car tomorrow and never plays again or he becomes the second coming of Johnny Bench, the evaluation of the deal shouldn’t change retroactively.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Feb 28, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a good deal.
Though if it blows up, I have a hard time saying that it shows GMDM inching closer to competence because it would mean that he misread what he had in the player and jumped the gun when he was already under control for the same price over the next five years.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
But if he jumped the gun, the cost is nominal should Perez not end up panning out.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 28, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I finally got a breakdown of the contract
http://www.royalsreview.com/2012/2/28/2829816/salvador-perez-contract-breakdown
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 28, 2012 12:16 AM EST reply actions
i moved beyond that stage awhile ago
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Feb 28, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think this was a great deal for all parties involved
The Royals take a calculated risk on a great prospect that had shown Big League promise. For Perez, he signed a nice contract with 7 mil guaranteed while only playing 39(?) games in the Majors.
Win-Win
The best part? Our pitching just got better.

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