How bad and for how long would the young players have to play before being sent to the minors?
The Royals project to start the year with five position players who have less than a full year of major league service time -- Eric Hosmer, Johnny Giavotella, Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain, and Sal Perez -- plus a 25-year-old shortstop, Alcides Escobar, who has yet to establish his bat in the majors. Setting aside the issue of how well you think they will perform (which has been addressed repeatedly this offseason and certainly will be addressed several more times before Opening Day), how bad and for how long do you think these six players would have to perform before the Royals would bench them or send them back to the minors?
The answer should be different for each player. For example, Escobar has the most major league experience, plays a difficult defensive position very well, and does not really have a viable replacement on the roster (with viable for purposes of shortstop meaning not Yuniesky Betancourt). Given that this is the team that let Tony Pena Jr. start for almost two years, Escobar probably has a longer leash. Giavotella, on the other hand, probably has a shorter leash due to his less experience, his major league performance last year, and the presence of a (semi-) viable replacement in Betancourt.
So given all potential factors (and saving any discussion for how well you think they will actually perform), what would it take for the Royals to bench or send down Hosmer, Giavotella, Moustakas, Cain, Perez, or Escobar this year?
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Hosmer and Escobar almost certainly have the longest leash
I think Moustakas could go back down if he doesn’t perform well similar to what Gordon did…….Cain too because of Mitch being a average at worst CF
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by tiquanunderwear on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
As Will mentioned awhile back in his post on Moose's service time
the Royals signed Kouzmanoff as an insurance policy. While I think Moose would have to be hurt or completely fall on his face during spring training to not start the year as the regular 3B, Kouzmanoff’s minor league deal includes a provision that he can opt out if not in the majors by May 1. If Moose has a really bad April, I could see the Royals calling up Kouzmanoff on May 1 (or June 1 if Kouzmanoff agrees to extend the opt out date) just so as not to lose the alternative, and then shifting to Kouzmanoff as the regular if Moose does not pick it up.
I really hope Moose has a good year
I’ve always hated Kouzmanoff..
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by tiquanunderwear on Feb 6, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
ever since February 21, 1997
aka my birth
Don't you ever play GM- Lee "Touch of Gray" Judge
by tiquanunderwear on Feb 6, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Stop that!
You’re freaking me out!
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
That opt-out shouldn't be a problem.
The Royals know that Moose is prone to starting off slow, so he should have more than a month to get going. I don’t see the point of the Kouzmanoff deal through this lens. Only scenario that I can see Kouzmanoff sticking with the Royals is a Moose injury during spring training or April.
Escobar would have to hit .129 to get sent down
He’s won the job unless his defensive play collapses. They would need three bad months out of Hosmer and two out of Moose, Cain, and Pérez to send them down.
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When I initially read your comment,
I read:
He’s won the job unless his defensive play prolapses.
I’m going to the hospital to be fitted for my straight-jacket now.
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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 6, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
With the pitchers, I don't know
Hochevar, Chen, Sánchez, and Paulino seem to have four rotation spots down. The fifth one belongs to Duffy or Montgomery, or maybe someone from last year’s bullpen. Mendoza, Boom Boom, and SOS aren’t serious candidates.
The bullpen should be pretty stable, You have to figure Soria, Broxton, Holland, Collins, Coleman, Crow, Jeffress, Teaford, Adcock, and Wood as candidates.
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I wonder if the Gordon rookie experience affects their deecision
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Gordon's case provides kind of mixed lessons
Gordon struggled offensively his rookie year, but he was decent in his second year before the injuries and ineffectiveness hit during his third year.
I don't think I would characterize his 3rd year as "ineffective"
It should be known solely as his injury year.
I didn't want to go down the whole "he was hurt"/"he was bad" rabbit hole again
Can we just say that he got hurt during his third year and when he did play, he was not very good?
it wouldnt
it’d have to be something closer to 3 months than 1 more than likely
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 6, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
hmm...
the rockies just traded two major league pieces for the right to pay guthrie (a more durable bruce chen) $8.2 million
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ehhh...
i dunno about being locked into paying a guy 20 m/year in his mid 30’s when he cant even stay on the field in his early 20s
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 6, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, weird trade
I don’t see a huge diff between Guthrie and Hammel, and Guthrie is more expensive with fewer years under control and is not very well suited for Coors. And Lindstrom is a nice reliever when healthy.
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Who has a shorter leash Cain or Gio?
by spamiam79 on Feb 6, 2012 2:37 PM EST via Android app reply actions
it should be gio....
cain is much older..there’s likely not alot left for him to learn in AAA
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 6, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
Cain’s defense is MUCH better than Gio’s, so he’s still helping you even if he’s not hitting.
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Or Yuni will be waiting...and lurking
or just plain starting.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think there is a chance that Hosmer gets sent down
Or Escobar for that matter.
Moustakas would have to struggle for about 200 PAs I think. And I mean really struggle.
Cain I don’t think will get sent down if he struggles, but he may get benched, particularly against RHPs.
Perez I think is on the same kind of chain as Moustakas.
Giavotella has the least amount of rope for all of these people. If he hits the way he did last season he will probably get sent down.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Cain I don’t think will get sent down if he struggles, but he may get benched, particularly against RHPs.
If you’re thinking of playing MITCH! vs LHP, he has a fairly stubborn reverse platoon split. It’s still a fairly SSS, and in 421 PA’s in 2010 he was better vs RHP. In any case, he has little platoon split.
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by philofthenorth on Feb 6, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
From his splits, and from watching him, Maier seems to pull the ball more against lefties
which skews his power up while driving up his K’s. Other than that though he seems to be roughly the same hitter.
Cain doesn’t look to have any serious variance in his splits either, although there is very little data to go on there.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
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Platoon, especially since Cain would be the lesser component.
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by philofthenorth on Feb 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Really not an argument for a platoon under normal conditions
Although I think Cain is the better player. But if Cain struggles, they may try to limit his time by benching him so he can “work on things”. But I don’t think he gets sent back down even if he struggles (unless it is really bad. Like, 0 for 40 territory). Mostly because of his age and defensive capability, and also because they need to see what he has the next 18 months or so until Myers is ready.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
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by philofthenorth on Feb 8, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions

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