Jack Harry Interview With Dayton Moore

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I am shocked that Jack Harry is still doing anything

He seemed to be on his way out of the KC sporting scene when I last watched him, in 1983.

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Feb 7, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions

Big Board Sports revived his career!

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 7, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions

"Are expectations almost too high?"

“You almost have to deliver this year, don’t you?”

“What’s a number—this team should be .500?”

The answer was a long rambling statement about how he expects them to “compete”.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions

NYRoyal, for the sake of your sanity, do not go end of the first clip.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 7, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions

"go through to the end of"

or for that matter, the beginning of the second one.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 7, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions

Plus hands

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Feb 7, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

Thank you

I think I’ll avoid it.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 7, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions

It's just Dayton pulling for Escobar to get hurt so Yuni can play everyday.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Feb 7, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions

He Made A

Big point of the UI being able to play well at SS in case Escobar gets injured before he signed Yu-Bet.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Feb 7, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions

and him being judged on throwaway statements like that....

are why he doesnt really want to say anything of substance in interviews

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 7, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions

I Thought It

Was telling, since he punted Navarro so quickly.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Feb 7, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions

and i think it bothers me even more than the yuni signing…hopefully he just saw something in one or both of the pitchers they acquired and had to give something to get something….since we acquired navarro i thought he’d be a perfect utility guy….can play all over the IF and in the OF corners and even hit a little bit

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions

There is a question as to whether Yamaico Don't Call Me Rey Navarro can actually play SS.

That doesn’t excuse trading Aviles for him in the first place if Yamaico couldn’t cut it there, but this is all water under a bridge constructed from our horrific nightmares and boundless pain.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 8, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions

aviles for a younger version of aviles made perfect sense where this team is in my mind

and once again, its not like our UI needs to be a gold glove SS…we already have that….also, i like navarro long term as a 2b than i do giavotella…i dont see how aviles for navarro could be considered a bad trade…thats just me though

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 8, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions

But what evidence do we have that Navarro is actually a younger version of Aviles?

Navarro seems to be on the Miguel Cabrera Filling Out Track. Aviles is still able to hold down short in a pinch, which Navarro probably won’t be able to do at age 24. In theory, that trade made sense, but now we’re all staring down the barrel of a Cuban shotgun waiting for it to blow our fucking face off.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 8, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions

im done assuming anything....

aviles looked like he had played himself off of ss a long time ago

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 8, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions

Have we already forgotten...

about the attitude problem? Yamaico apparently wasn’t happy as a bench player. Don’t know the extent of the problem, but I’m pretty sure we took the loss there.

by hawkinscm87 on Feb 8, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions

that was mentioned like one time....

which is far less times than we read that butler didnt want to DH, that gordon was uncoachable, etc

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 8, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions

It's having been mentioned seems to directly correlate to two things:

1) How long he donned the powder blues
2) His overall importance in the big picture as a borderline 25th man

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 8, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions

It wasn't just mentioned once.

I believe members of the Kansas City media reported it.

by hawkinscm87 on Feb 8, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions

one time as justification for the trade after he was traded?

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 8, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions

Rumblings of attitude problems pre-dated his being traded.

They were spoken of during the season.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 9, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions

and they still traded aviles (also unhappy with his utility role)

for him…what changed?

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 9, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions

That Aviles had at least proven he could play at the Major League level

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 11, 2012 3:52 AM EST up reply actions

My cringe was more about the Gia/Yuni discussion

where he said something along the lines of “if Gia can’t play well enough at 2B, we have season-long starter (from 2011) Yuni right there” with a big grin on his face. I think we’d better plus hope and plus hope that Gia exceeds expectations right off the bat (or that Yuni is somehow a much better 2B than SS).

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions

Jack's a little accusatory here

by ams5661 on Feb 7, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions

The last 60 seconds or so

Jack: No more questions

by ams5661 on Feb 7, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions

Jack Harry can go step on a land mine

(metaphorically speaking of course)

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Feb 7, 2012 5:18 PM EST reply actions

that said

it was a pretty good interview. He wasn’t afraid to push a little bit.

The name of that song played at KC Comets games in the '80's was Giorgio Moroder's "The Chase." Now you know.

by labbadabba on Feb 7, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions

I'd give Jack a solid B

Given what I expected. I liked that he made Dayton go over the payroll limitation again and actually got a real answer – $75 to 80 million if the team is drawing 2.5 million fans (an average of 30,864 per game if you’re scoring at home). That may not be an answer many fans like, but it’s a real answer.

But the highlight has to be “What in the world were you there thinking bringing back Yuniesky Betancourt?”

by thelaundry on Feb 7, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions

Christ, if that's really what it takes to get the payroll to $75M

Then the Royals won’t get there until they’ve won a pennant first. If he’s telling the truth, it looks like no more than $65-70M for 2013.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 7, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions

i dont believe this stuff for a second...

i really think that dayton’s intentionally being conservative with these estimates…no reason to put yourself in a corner where you have to spend X amount of dollars because you said that at one point 4 years prior, even if it is not in the teams best interest long term

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 7, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions

I do think he has to manage expectations and take some heat off ownership

But why even put out a number then? He said last year in a speech at the Chamber of Commerce that the Royals would never have a $100 million payroll (and repeated it in this interview), then talked about a $55-60 million limit in this market on blogger night, then backtracked to saying stronger attendance could push that to around $80 million, which he reiterated in the interview with Jack Harry.

Why not just say “we’ll spend as much as our revenue allows us to spend, and if our fans come out in greater numbers and buy more nachos that cost them $6 and us 5 cents, we’ll make more and we can spend more.”

The whole never getting to $100 million thing just makes you want to give up asa fan.

by thelaundry on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions

b/c he keeps getting harrassed b/c fans want a number...

so he gives them a number that is fairly conservative…if they get to that number, fans cant call him/glass a liar…if they go above, glass is a hero

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 7, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions

If Glass goes above 80, great

But he’s not going to be a hero unless he does what Kauffman did – spend his own money.

by thelaundry on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions

he is spending his own money....

and it was alot different in kauffman’s day…an extra million made a huge difference…now that buys you half of a season of betancourt or a 16 year old dominican

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions

I wish that's all we could afford.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on Feb 8, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions

I think Kauffman did more than spend team revenues

Kauffman dipped into his own pocket to spend some of his personal wealth. I think that is what thelaundry is talking about. Glass just spends revenues on the team, which is what most owners do. That doesn’t make you a hero.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 8, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions

ok...my point was...

that glass bought the team by himself…so any money in any royals bank account is david glass’ money. so, he is spending his own money from his own investment. and yeah, we hear about kauffman dipping deep into his pockets, but we gotta remember the team was a huge draw during those times and the baseball landscape was much more even financially

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 8, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions

But I think spending beyond team revenues is spending beyond team revenues, regardless of how the team is drawing or what the economic landscape of the game is. Reinvesting revenues is safe and easy. Going beyond that to lose money in the hopes of getting pennants is special.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 9, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions

Also, don't forget

that the estimated value of the franchise was/is way, way, way higher than the sweetheart deal that Glass got when he bought the team. Due to the “inside trading”-type component of this business model, he was guaranteed to make a fortune on the team, even if they operated in the red.

by Rufus R. Jones on Feb 9, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions

Keeps getting harrassed?

How is Moore getting harrassed? By whom? In what manner? Sure fans want to know more and want bigger payrolls. But he usually keeps everything close to the vest. But here, he’s using actual numbers when he could just obfuscated and be very general.

I don’t know that this kind of number is the best public relations. Yes, it will make fans happy if/when the payroll goes higher than that. But until then, it will just piss off the fans.

He might be trying to lower expectations so that Glass can eventually surpass them. Or he might be lowering expectations to a realistic level because Glass really doesn’t want even a $75M payroll again until attendance is high enough to make that easily doable.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 8, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

agreed

dayton’s intentionally being conservative with these estimates

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions

That may be

But that was also said when he put out his $55-60M payroll number. And right now the Royals are sitting at approximately $57M (including an estimate of Gordon’s 2012 salary).

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 8, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions

that is weird that he's publicly said two very different numbers

Maybe the first lowball was too low, as in fan response was very negative? Now he’s raised it a bit, but couched that with the attendance qualification.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 8, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions

I kind of assumed that the 55-60 numbers was based on current/usual attendance figures. But he certainly wasn’t clear.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 9, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions

He may be underselling the payroll potential

But how is it good PR to say you’ll never be able to spend $100 million, which is what 3 teams in the division consistently spend? The Royals are selling hope, with a pinch of tradition (from George Brett, but definitely not the only other living retired number) to their fanbase. So why say never? Why not just say KC was once a great baseball town, and they’re trying to build a team that will make people want to pack the ballpark again, and if the K is rocking the way it did in the 70s and 80s, who knows?

No one needs to hear the small market spiel-even the casual fan understands it. Maybe instead of “Our Time” the slogan should be “We Think These Guys are Going to be Good, but Don’t Get Your Hopes Up Due to the Pervasive Economic Inequalities of Baseball.”

by thelaundry on Feb 9, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs