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Game 128- Yankees 10, Royals 3 (42-86)

Its time to shut Zack Greinke down for awhile. After today's game, Greinke is the proud owner of a 3-16 record and a 6.28 ERA, through 27 starts. With loss number 16 in the books, Greinke's officially on the semi-annual 20 Game Loser Watch which means first segment coverage of an otherwise meaningless Royals-Tigers game on Baseball Tonight, an inevitable Jason Stark/Buster Olney column on Greinke's struggles and in-game cuts to RSTN from across the country. In reality, the loss total isn't the real problem: umm, the Royals don't ever win, and they hardly ever score; and you only need to look as far as Roger Clemens to understand that there's only so much control a pitcher has over wins and losses. No, the real problem is that Greinke simply isn't getting people out. His season ERA is now well into Lima-in-Houston Range at 6.28, and after running square into Jason Giambi, he's now allowed 20 HRs on the season.

As we've noted since June, nothing is being gained by sending him out there every five days. The team is not benefiting and neither is Zach/k; in fact, if anything, both interests are being hurt by the process. Ask yourself this, would Jimmy Gobble be allowed a similar implosion?

Clearly, Grienke has talent, potential and upside the size of Kansas. In 2004, at the age of 20, Greinke posted a 3.97 ERA in 145 innings of work, while managing a respectable 100 Ks against 26 BBs. This season, through his first 143 innings, Greinke's K's dropped down to 91, while his walk total nearly doubled to 43... Not the best sign. And this was before today's collapse.

I'll leave the psychoanalysis to the Royals' coaching staff, Greinke's friends and family and his (allegedly) Dallas Cowboy cheerleader girlfriend. I'm sure a case can and will be made on both sides this week about the merits or demerits of sending him down, with lots of words like "quitting", "toughness" and the like thrown around. Frankly, I don't think that matters... he simply isn't helping the Royals win right now, and he isn't, repeat isn't developing. What else is the point?

For another opinion, here's what Baseball Prospectus guru Joe Sheehan had to say about Greinke on friday afternoon:

sheboygan (atlanta): Zack Greinke had one of the ravest reviews in his player comments in the 2005 Prospectus. Did anyone disagree on Zack Greinke? Is there anything positive from a performance analysis perspective his second year?

Joe Sheehan: Me.

I've had a lot of arguments with Rany about Greinke. My case was simply this: you can't be a flyball pitcher with a mediocre strikeout rate, no matter how smart you are.

If you're looking for upside, I guess you could look at his reduced home-run rate, but I think some of that is lost when you factor in league in park.

Eventually, Greinke is going to be pretty good, but the optimism that surrounded him from 8/04 to 5/05 was wildy misplaced. Also, when was the last time the Royals developed a pitcher? Mark Gubicza?

What Royals fans will recognize is that low-strikeout-rate comment, as its clear that the team has either a) de-stressed strikeouts in drafting and instruction or b) told pitchers to "pitch to contact" or both. Unlike, say, Tampa Bay, the Royals don't have a good defense though -- see yesterday's 9th inning against NY, was there a single hard-hit ball during the inning?-- which means that its an inherently flawed strategy. Double-flawed actually, since its possibly taking away from the possible quality of the staff.

By the way, the Royals now trail the Devil Rays by 13 games in the Worst Team Standings... That hurts considering that the teams were tied heading into the last week of July.

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A Fool's Errand
Nice argument, but its a fool's errand...I can see Buddisimo now:

"We're gonna stick with Z. because we need to send a message that we're all in this together, and that you don't get better in life by QUITIN'"

I guarantee it.

by LeoBloom on Aug 28, 2005 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Colorado is next on the list
Tampa bay played near .500 ball during our losing streak.  Colorado is only 8 games ahead of us right now.  The good news is that we were officially eliminated from winning the Central on Saturday.  Now we can focus on . . . were we ever focused to begin with?

We can take Colorado!!!

Mr. Weatherstone

by rjweathestone on Aug 28, 2005 9:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zack Greinke
I'm pretty sure the folks at http://www.zackgreinke.net/ will come up with an excuse to why Greinke is pitching terribly.  They seem to have spinsters straight out of Washington.
Mr. Weatherstone

by rjweathestone on Aug 28, 2005 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know how to react
Each time i visit that site, I'm not sure whether i kind think its cool, or a little intense... especially since they had it up and ready very early in his career (like, before he even got to the royals)

by royalsreview on Aug 28, 2005 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Hope his parents write that stuff
That site would be pretty creepy if someone besides his close family were writing that stuff.  Maybe he has a mini-stalker like the movie "Swim Fan".  But I think in order to have a stalker for that long, you might have to actually be good.
Mr. Weatherstone

by rjweathestone on Aug 29, 2005 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even the Rockies
have been playing well lately though... maybe Bell can do some reverse hex on them or something

by royalsreview on Aug 28, 2005 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN just kicked us off monday night baseball
I dont get to see a lot of Royals games on Tv.  I dont live any where near the market, and most of the times I have to rely upon the local teams broadcast.  ESPN was supposed to show the Royals Twins game tonight.  I was excited.  But we got bumped, in favor of the Cubs and Dodgers.  A teams that most of us could watch on WGN.  But for some reason, ESPN decided that they rather broadcast one of the few teams that has nationwide exposure through thier Superstation.  Thank You ESPN.  You have done a great service for all baseball fans.  You basically robbed the fans of having the option of watching another game.  

I am really starting to hate ESPN.  Where is a network that can bring back ESPN's glory days?  I think people might actaully watch something that is devoted to the game, and not the drama behind the game.  I am rambling in my rage.

Mr. Weatherstone

by rjweathestone on Aug 29, 2005 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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