PECOTA Day: Bad News for Meche and DeJesus
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Consider this the PECOTA comments thread, part I.
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Obviously the Gil Meche projection is headline news given his (did you hear?) $55 million dollar contract. Here's the projection on Meche: 6-10 in 22 starts, with an ERA of 5.48.
Basically, a run per game worse than Kevin Millwood, and have a run worse than Brandon McCarthy.
I wouldn't put much stock in the W-L record, or even the starts projection (although if the weighted mean is 22 starts, then in alot of projections he either gets demoted or injured... not fun.) Pecota sees Meche's K-rate stay just OK (6.00 per 9), while he gives up a homer a game.
Umm, yea, umm... well Dayton's beloved Jorge de la Rosa is even projected to make Meche look good, with a 5.71 ERA, while giving up tons of hits (9.5 per 9), walks (4.8 per 9) and homers (.9 per 9). So I guess thats good. Well, we have months -- years actually -- to obsess on this deal.
Other quick hits:
-Gobble: 4.30 ERA, 6.5 Ks per 9
-Dotel looks pedestrian, but effective or "effective" with a 4.93 ERA but a strong strikeout rate, which is huge.
Regarding the offense, the projection for DeJesus looks surprisingly tepid, although maybe we've just gotten a smidge bullish on David. .291/.358/.425 with 10 homers is solid, but I want more. Worse still, his comparables include such non-stars as Mark Kotsay, Marvin Bernard and Del Unser. Goodness me! Marvin Bernard? Didn't he lose his job to Tsuyoshi Shinjo?
Has DeJesus already peaked?
Its an awful thought, but there might be something to that sentiment. DeJesus just had his 27th birthday (December 20th) and he has always been an advanced, mature player in terms of his approach and also his skillset (especially once he stopped trying to steal bases). Here's his OPS+ as a regular:
DeJesus OPS+:
2004: 103
2005: 114
2006: 103
Granted, large chunks of those at bats involved DeJesus either playing through pain and/or recovering from injury, and, he is a capable centerfielder. However, because of the Gathright infatuation, DeJesus isn't exactly a CF anymore; as he spent the majority of his time in left last season. This isn't exactly good news.
DeJesus career line: .292/.362/.434
AL Average Centerfielder: .275/.334/.437
AL Average Leftfielder: .280/.347/.449
There's actually not as large a disparity as I expected in the averages, as numerous teams have used weak hitting corner outfielders in recent years. Still, for the millionth time, playing David in left with Gathright in center is a fast way to field a weak lineup. David can handle CF, and in theory at least, there are oodles of guys who can stand there in left and post a .500 SLG without too much harm done. Like, say, Billy Butler.
But its not all bad. Gathright has a 27% breakout chance, and 40% "improve" odds.
And some guy named "Alex Gordon" already projects to hit .282/.364/.511 with 26 homers.
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Regardless of where they play him
by lordbyronk on Jan 17, 2007 11:46 AM EST 0 recs
yea...
I'd love to see him get 4 innings a night and one at bat in the field...
in recent years it seems like teams that employ two CFs in the OF have had success with run prevention, but gathright's gotta hit at least .270 for it to work
and... all that being said, the royals simply aren't good enough at the corner positions to eat too many outs
by royalsreview on
Jan 17, 2007 12:05 PM EST
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off topic berroa photo
It is a classic that should be immortalized here.
by marbotty on
Jan 17, 2007 2:48 PM EST
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you mean this picture?
I'm actually starting to like Berroa more and more as a person...
by royalsreview on
Jan 17, 2007 3:59 PM EST
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Pitching Projections
From Baseball Think Factory:
2006 Pitchers Prediction Accuracy
ZiPS .459
PECOTA .451
BIS/James .445
Marcel .432
Chone .424
(These numbers come from the ZiPS people, so they are probably skewed a little their direction)
These numbers say that when it comes to predicting pitching statistics for the 2006 season, PECOTA only got it right 45% of the time.
That is not enough for me to hang my hat on.
I am a huge optimist - so I see Gil being Meche-tastic with around a 4.25 ERA and 11 wins to his credit. He will respond to being the team leader.
by Cleveland on Jan 17, 2007 1:50 PM EST 0 recs
Chone
pitching is inherently tough to predict... i like pecota though
by FireBell on
Jan 17, 2007 2:02 PM EST
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Something not noted here
Gathright is a 4th/5th OF. He's a GOOD 4th/5th OF mind you, but still a bench level player. What I find interesting in relation to DeJesus/Gathright is that they are two pieces in a big DH/LF/RF/CF jigsaw puzzle. When they do move Teahen out to an OF corner, then you have 2 players projected as clear starters (Teahen .290 EQA and DeJesus in CF at .277) and a bunch of other guys, notably Emil Brown (.277), Costa (.272), Sanders (.273), German (.272), Sweeney (.280), Huber (.280), and Gload (.283) and in the future you have Butler (.280), Maier (.246), and Lubanski (.261).
There NEEDS to be a trade, HAS to be a trade clearing away some of this log jam. My picks of who goes would be Brown and Sanders, but that would make that bunch really left-handed and it's seemed like a fait accompli that Huber would be leaving the organization one way or another.
by JM Barten on Jan 17, 2007 2:16 PM EST 0 recs
I absolutely agree
by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 17, 2007 3:43 PM EST
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maybe Gload can be the next...
by royalsreview on
Jan 18, 2007 12:01 AM EST
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Did you mean post a .800 OPS?
by marbotty on Jan 17, 2007 2:55 PM EST 0 recs
Hmmmmm
I'm pretty bearish on Meche, but I think 5.48 is unreasonably high. I think he'll be a shade under 5.00, depending on whether or not Angel comes to play.
by RoyalsRetro on Jan 17, 2007 3:42 PM EST 0 recs
DeJesus
by NHZ on Jan 17, 2007 4:38 PM EST 0 recs
Sorry that post's
by NHZ on Jan 17, 2007 4:38 PM EST 0 recs
i hope so too...
by DyeFan187 on
Jan 17, 2007 4:46 PM EST
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No one views DeJesus as a savior...
He may not be a superstar, but if you had 9 everyday players with OPS+ of about 110, your offense would probably rank, say 5th in the league? Even with our normal pitching woes, that would surely translate to a 75 win season, wouldn't it?
by loyal2s dad on Jan 17, 2007 5:30 PM EST 0 recs
By the way, the Gordon projection
by loyal2s dad on Jan 17, 2007 5:32 PM EST 0 recs
Bad Joke
I still think he'll break out for you guys.
by NHZ on Jan 17, 2007 7:25 PM EST 0 recs
sorry
by royaldaddy on Jan 18, 2007 12:38 AM EST 0 recs
If I learned to hit
by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 18, 2007 11:32 AM EST
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DeJesus could be overrated by some
by NHZ on Jan 18, 2007 2:06 AM EST 0 recs
Please contact me.
by Big Dawg Baseball on Jan 18, 2007 6:50 AM EST 0 recs
Oh yeah, also
by NHZ on Jan 18, 2007 9:58 PM EST 0 recs








