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Predicting the 2007 Mark Quinn Award

Earlier this winter "daveyork" posted a hilarious diary entitled "A Royals Fan Top Ten List for the Offseason". In his post he coined/created a new honor, the Mark Quinn/Andy Sisco Award. Here was his definition:

One player who fans have hope for in the upcoming season will horribly regress and live on only potential for the next season - The Mark Quinn/Andy Sisco award. Zack Greinke would also be a good candidate for 2006 award. Early odds on 2007 include Ryan Shealy and Esteban German.

Thus, a player like John Buck or Angel Berroa doesn't really apply. Nor does, at this point, Sweeney or Grudzielanek. Those players might fail, but their failures aren't quite what the brilliant career of Mark Quinn was supposed to represent. With that in mind, lets take a look at the early candidates for the Mark Quinn Award, which honors the position player who will "horribly regress" after building up our hopes, starting with dave's own predictions, Esteban German and Ryan Shealy.

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Esteban German: In 2006 German did everything for the Royals, playing six positions (as well as DHing) and, incredibly, batting in all nine lineup slots. Not just a LaRussian utility player in the extreme, German also hit, posting a .326/.422/.459 line complete with 5 triples and 3 home runs. Most impressively, he maintained a high level of performance despite being jerked around by Buddy Bell during the season's first half. Once he became a semi-regular player during the dog days, he maintained his superficially high batting average, but also kept taking his walks and increased his power, slugging .494 in the second half of the year.

Why Is He a Candidate for a Quinn?

Of course, it was his age-28 season, and he'd never done anything remotely like that before at the major league level. (Although you could also make the case that he'd never been given the chance.) The Royals have seen this before, once relishing of the delights of the flexible Desi Relaford, who hit .288/.341/.435 in the first half of 2003. The other immediate comparison might be to Junior Spivey, a polished minor-leaguer who gained a sterters job at 27, had his career year, and now seems like a bust. Still, theres a positive-side to that story, namely German's aforementioned polish. His minor league stats reveal a guy who's always taken his pitches, taken his walks, which bodes well as a value-sustainer. However the high batting average and triples power may fall off as the league adjusts to him. This is essentially what PECOTA sees, projecting a .285/.357/.383 line. Thats a useful player if handled right, but not the fringe All-Star the Royals enjoyed last season.

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Ryan Shealy: You know the story: Shealy was blocked by Todd Helton in Colorado and Dayton Moore freed him. Once in Kansas City, Shealy showed up and immediately started raking.

Why Is He a Candidate for a Quinn?

Only he didn't. Shealy hit .280/.338/.451, an OK but still substandard line for a firstbaseman in the American League. The much-maligned Mike Sweeney hit .300/.347/.517 in 2005 and most Royals fans reacted like he was Angel Berroa. Like German, Shealy's a fresh face, but he isn't young; last season was his age-26 season. On the bright side, scouts love him, he's cheap and he was adjusting to a new league, level and city last season, so maybe he's about to blossom into an offensive machine. Still, whats the upside here? According to PECOTA his 90% projection (better than 90% of all other simulations) is a good but not great .297/.365/.549 with 26 home runs. This tepid projection is mirrored by John Sickels, who sees a similar player, a guy who's putting up 1980s firstbasemen numbers in a more offensive age. Credit Moore for getting Shealy for a reasonable price, but there's a good chance Shealy won't put up near as many runs as Royals fans seem to expect in 2007.

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David DeJesus: DeJesus is a nice player with a broad range of skills: he's a good average guy, he can work a walk, he's got some pop and he's good in the field at an important position. He's also a good baserunner, as long as he doesn't try to steal bases. He's already played 349 games with the Royals, and owns a respectable career line of .292/.362/.434, a line that includes a nice chunk of "playing hurt" time.

Why Is He a Candidate For A Quinn?

As we touched on PECOTA Day a lingering fear is brewing that DeJesus has already peaked as a player, that he's settled into a nice performance level, but isn't getting better. Like Shealy and German, he's not as young as you might think, turning 27 last month. Nevertheless, heading into his Age 27 season, PECOTA sees a .290/.357/.424 season, which is to say a worse hitting performance than he managed in 2005 or 2006. Like Shealy, DeJesus might be suffering from an upside-deficiency, although in a more acute sense: his 90% projection is a batting average-driven .323/.392/.483 season, basically Johnny Damon's peak year of 2000. Thats damn useful, however unlikely. Worse still, the Royals don't seem to be sure where to play DeJesus, leaving the door open to a huge value-decrease should they play him in left.

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Breaking down the odds:

No one else seems to fit as a potential Quinn winner. The Royals have other young players, but guys like Gathright, Costa and Maier are too unproven to truly qualify. Remember, here's the Mark Quinn career path:

Mark Quinn Through the Years:

1999: .333/.385/.733, 6 HRs (64 PAs)
2000: .294/.342/.488, 20 HRs (535 PAs)
2001: .269/.298/.459, 17 HRs (465 PAs)
2002: .237/.301/.368, 2 HRs (81 PAs)

Quinn peaked at age 26 and played his last Major League game (to date) at age 28.

The Quinn Award is fairly subjective, because you have to take into account what the preseason buzz/hype/hope for the player is. This perception should be based in reality: remember, Quinn showed up and started hitting right away. He was young, he was cheap, and life was good. With that in mind, German has clearly had his peak year, but everyone seems to understand that. I'm not so sure that understanding exists for Shealy and DeJesus, from whom the world expects greater things (and David is one of my favorite players personally). To this end, German could win the award, but he's have to really hit poorly to do so, whereas DeJesus might have an OPS 120 points higher than German, but run away with the award.

Still, they aren't the favorites. At the moment, Shealy is really a centerpiece of the Dayton Moore regime, right there along with the Meche-for-55 million moment and the Gathright "I'm old school, you win with defense" trade. In the post-Minky, post-Sweeney era, Shealy seems a refreshing return to a good, old-fashioned gigantic first baseman who can HIT... except I'm still not sure he's actually that good. Unlike German and DeJesus, Shealy doesn't contribute much defensively, hurts roster flexibility and is slow as hell.

But, he ain't Jeremy Affeldt.

2007 Mark Quinn Award Preseason Odds

Shealy: 40%
German: 25%
DeJesus: 20%
No One, Everyone Plays Well: 15%

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Always seems like we have more than a few guys like that. I'm surprised Gil Meche isn't on the list - he  was the first guy I thought of.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 25, 2007 2:04 PM EST   0 recs

for pitchers its...
the Andy Sisco Award

by DyeFan187 on Jan 25, 2007 3:22 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No Quinn
I would side with nobody being a Quinn candidate because we have no one obvious slated to produce steroid inflated results.

Quinn was a low draft pick that found a lot of power out of a little body and always seemed to be nicked up with various leg ailments.  Oh, did I mention he had a volatile personality.

I don't see any parallels.  Shealy somewhat fits the profile as he gets over the hump in the bigs, but he seems like a naturally big fella.  Costa could be, but he hasn't produced enough to qualify for the award.

by Tarnished Crown on Jan 25, 2007 2:14 PM EST   0 recs

no teahen?
he'd be my choice

by DyeFan187 on Jan 25, 2007 3:22 PM EST   0 recs

my thoughts exactly
I've seen some Royals fans projecting as many as 30 homeruns from him next season.   I will be pleased if he hits over 15.

I'm going to be really surprised if he doesn't end up disappointing a lot of fans --- the ones that expect him to continue to outhit A-Rod and post a .900+ OPS.   I'm thinking it will be closer to .820  - still pretty good but nowhere near some of these unrealistic expectations.

by marbotty on Jan 25, 2007 4:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

my opinion
is i have no opinion on teahen. I really have no clue what to expect. Im hoping for the best, and that his midsummer break out was for real, and not just a nice extended streak. I wouldn't expect old Teahen though of .240 with no power. We will have to wait and see.

by wildthang on Jan 25, 2007 6:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Teahen has to be on this list
With as hot as he was at the end of last year and him gathering some national media attention for being one of the bets young hitters in baseball Teahen is set up for a fall of biblical proportions.  I would give Teahen a better than 50% chance of being "that guy".

by EricConley on Jan 26, 2007 10:42 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Teahen
There is a greater likelihood that Teahen will decline in terms of power than in any other area.  He has never hit for power in the past.  He never hit more than 14 home runs in any year before last year.  I think he very likely will hold hit BA around .300, and is OBP around .360.  I'd be surprised to see his slugging stay around .500.

But let's hope.  Who knows, he may be a transformed man.

by James Quinn on Jan 28, 2007 11:40 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

quinn's downfall
I think pitchers found out how to deal with him, and his hacktastic qualities caught up to him... i'm not sure he was a steroids guy

then again, who knows...

by royalsreview on Jan 25, 2007 3:25 PM EST   0 recs

By the way
When will the Sisco Award nominees be announced?

I'm guessing that Meche, Dotel and De La Rosa will be the top candidates.  (Then again, is there anyone high on De La Rose??)  

I'd be surprised if Meche or De La Rosa post sub 5.00 ERAs.  I think Meche's ceiling's at 4.50 right now.  

by marbotty on Jan 25, 2007 4:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

have the royals even had
a pitcher good enough to claim the Sisco since Sisco?

Greinke maybe, but what do you do with last season?

hudson might be a good candidate, people seem relatively high on him

same for nelson

dotels a special case, since his expectations arent based on what he did with the royals...

we'll see

by royalsreview on Jan 25, 2007 5:20 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Sisco award
I think the likely candidates for the Sisco award are Wellemeyer and Hudson.  Wellemeyer, I give him a 70% chance of decline.  Hudson, I give a 50% chance he will fall back.

A decline by most other returning members of the pitching staff will be less of a concern as any step back by them will result in their being shipped out to Omaha or the land of DFA.

by James Quinn on Jan 28, 2007 11:43 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Past winners include
Jeremy Affeldt
Runelvys Hernandez
Michael Tucker
Dan Reichert
Gary Thurman
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 25, 2007 5:23 PM EST   0 recs

which go round with Tucker?
i dont remember people being high on him
FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Jan 25, 2007 5:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The first go-round
He was a former first round pick with a great minor league career. There were some high expectations for him at first.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 26, 2007 11:14 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Mark Teahen
I'm surprised he wasn't nominated for the Mark Quinn award.  If he would have played 130 games in 2006 his numbers would probably look similar to Mark Quinn's numbers from 2000.  In addition, they're both named Mark.  They've both been hailed as future cornerstones of the franchise.  Teahen's at a similar stage in his career to Quinn's flameout.  In addition, Teahen may be changing positions, which has the potential to screw with his head. I smell a classic Royal stinker... Royals fans (including myself) may be eating turd sandwiches with a side of Teahen by September '07.

by nycroyal on Jan 25, 2007 5:48 PM EST   0 recs

For the Quinn Award, I agree
that Mark Teahen will be the biggest disappointment of the year especially since he was ending the season with such strong hopes.  It seems like the classic KC "we can build around this guy" then he is awful the next year.  Shealy is the other guy who I hope proves me wrong but he had good numbers but has yet to sustain them.  I wouldn't be surprised with 20HRs and 100 RBI or 11 HR and 60 RBI.  

For the Sisco award, I would go with Luke Hudson or The Rose.  KC is banking on them or at least hoping and neither one has shown that they can hold it together.  Worst case scenario - Meche is hurt, Hudson and the Rose are awful and Bannister is highly overrated/injured.  Perez will be ok.  I think Dotel is a good candidate but coming off injury is not a true candidate for a Sisco.  

by daveyork on Jan 25, 2007 7:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Hey RR
where do you go to find out fun facts?

like reggie sanders is # so and so on the all time list?

by Royals2nd on Jan 25, 2007 7:37 PM EST   0 recs

mostly
baseball-reference.com
and the royals official site

by royalsreview on Jan 25, 2007 9:39 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

dejesus gets my vote
I think dejesus is overhyped anyway. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but if we're going on hype, he's the guy. Teahen is looked upon highly by people all over the league and his stroke is very solid. I'm thinking 25 homers, 90 rbi and 20 steals from this guy. I like the German-Relaford comparison, but I think German could be a little better in the long run.
royaldaddy-Bob Hamelin's #1 fan

by royaldaddy on Jan 25, 2007 8:53 PM EST   0 recs

the more i think about teahen
he seems like an obvious choice, especially with the Royals moving him to a new position

i guess i just have too much faith in him to be competent, but i'm probably wrong

by royalsreview on Jan 25, 2007 9:41 PM EST   0 recs

The beauty of the Quinn/Sisco award
is that everyone expects the player to be good or get better.  The disappointment then is what makes the Royals truly heart breaking to root for as a fan.  

I would love to be wrong about every player and have them turn in great season.  As a Royals fan, I know that isn't going to happen.  It is just a matter of who.

by daveyork on Jan 25, 2007 10:35 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If Mark Teahen ends up failing...
I'm going to start referring to him as Mark Teaquinn.

by marbotty on Jan 29, 2007 2:22 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Luke Hudson
Twenty-nine years old.  Posts a 6.38 ERA in 2005.  8.74 in April of '06.  

Released outright.  

Royals claim him and plug him into the rotation.  Why not?

And lo and behold, he posts an ERA just a shade north of 4.00 for fourteen starts [the other being the disastrous outing in Cleveland].  Bingo, pitcher of the frickin' year.

Methinks the seven months from April '05 to May '06 are a better measure of the real Luke Hudson that the three months from July to September '06.

by howserfan on Jan 25, 2007 10:42 PM EST   0 recs

exactly...
and he's a good bet to be one of the finalists for the Andy Sisco Award, which I hope to have up early next week (unless someone wants to do it for me)

by royalsreview on Jan 25, 2007 11:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No Question
It will be Luke Hudson that falls, I could see a similar fate for him like what happened to Joe Mays, Albie Lopez, Chris George at the beginning of the season.  Jeez just thinking of Chris George and how he won 9 games that year blows my mind.

I'd like to say Teahan too but I think that depends on his shoulder...I think he'll have a decent season but I think it'll be German because of how often he will play.  I don't think he'll have as many ABs this year and will be in a pinch hitting role.

by tater on Jan 25, 2007 11:23 PM EST   0 recs

Hudson
I disagree - he has a chance to be that better pitcher from the second half. I base that on one thing - a dramatic improvement in his groundball to flyball ratio. I think this was for real, and that it bodes well for 2007.

by loyal2s dad on Jan 26, 2007 12:28 PM EST   0 recs

Teahen
One major difference that makes me think Teahen is NOT a candidate for the Quinn award - he has about a thousand times better attitude than Quinn.

I don't know about 30 HRs (although I think the improvement in extra base hits was for real, I just think he is more of the 40 doubles and 20 homeruns type than a 30 or 40 HR type), but I think he will have an OPS of somewhere between 850 and 925 next season.

by loyal2s dad on Jan 26, 2007 12:30 PM EST   0 recs

Teahen
is a better player than Mark Quinn, and even though he has not had a ton of success, I think he'll come around.  My vote is on Esteban German.
lordbyronk

by lordbyronk on Jan 26, 2007 12:35 PM EST   0 recs

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