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Kosuke Fukudome, the Royals new Outfielder?

NYRoyal's diary about the KC Budget for next year has resulted in some of us speculating which second-tier free agents the Royals might want to pursue.  One player who has come to my attention recently is Japanese outfielder Kosuke Fukudome.

The more I look over Kosuke Fukudome's career numbers the more I like him.  He is an outright free agent now so the Royals can sign him without bidding for his rights.  He has already expressed interest in playing in the States.  He will be 31 years old, which means he will probably start to decline statistically in the next couple of years, but he is a major league ready outfielder right now.

I have read that Japanese baseball falls between AA and AAA level, and maybe that is true.  Anyway, here are Fukudome's last three seasons:

2005 - 515 at bats, .328/.430/.590, 28 HR, 103 RBI, 93/128 BB/K.
2006 - 496 at bats, .351/.438/.653, 31 HR, 104 RBI, 94/113 BB/K.
2007 - 269 at bats, .294/.443/.520, 13 HR, 48 RBI, 69/66 BB/K.

He missed half of the 2007 season due to injury.  He had a surgery to remove bone fragments from his right elbow.  This is a concern.  Normal recovery from his surgery is two months, so he should be ready to play right now, but we just do not know if the injury will decrease his long term effectiveness.  I don't know what not to like in his numbers.  Amazing OBP, Great Power, sage-like patience at the plate.   He has won the Japanese equivalent of the gold glove four times as a right fielder.  He apparently has a strong and accurate arm and works hard at his defense.


The Royals opening day left fielder in 2008?

Assuming he is healthy, I think he might be the answer to the LF vacuum.   I have no idea if him coming to KC is realistic at all, but I hope Moore is looking into obtaining his services.  According to Armchair GM Fukudome was hoping for a deal in the 4YR/$40+M range.  Armchair GM says several teams are interested in Fukudome at that price - Boston, Texas, Seattle and San Fransico.  Why not the Royals?  If the Royals cannot obtain Torii Hunter, Andruw Jones or Adam Dunn, Fukudome looks like as good a second tier outfielder as will be available.  And $10M/yr is pretty well the going rate for good but not great outfielders.

Here is Fukudome's scouting report from that same site:

Fukudome has doubles-power and will likely put up a high OBP in the Majors, but won't slug a lot of home runs. Defensively, he's best suited for right field, but could plug into center if need be.  Mike Plugh, of Baseball Prospectus, says that "Fukudome is tailor-made for the Major Leagues. [...] He has patience as well as power to the gaps, a recipe for success, especially if he chooses to play in a ballpark with a spacious outfield." Plugh warns that Fukudome won't hit more than 20 homers, "but 50 doubles is not out of the question[, and] when compared to his [Japanese] peers, [...] his habitual .400+ OBP."

One projection system estimates that a 2007 version of Fukudome would put up a .300/.375/.500 line in the Majors.

I'm probably dreaming.  I have no reason to think this will pan out.  I am sure Dayton Moore religiously reads Royals Review.  I hope he clicks on this diary and thinks about the possibility.  For whatever reason I have thought for a while that Emil Brown will probably not come back to the Royals next year and instead he will sign a comfortable contract to play in Japan.  Why do I think this, no clue.  It just seems right.  Maybe the Royals can pull off a virtual swap by signing the good outfielder and sending Emil east to replace him.

Let me take you one more step into dream land.  Fukudome brings his bat and great defense to RF.  This allows Teahen to move to CF.  This would free up DeJesus for trade or LF.  If DeJesus is traded, Huber or Butler could play LF.  This allows the Royals to resign Sweeney and give Shealy another crack at 1B.  The ripple effect of picking up a good defensive outfielder with a strong bat raises the entire line-up to a new level.  Basically it would allow the Royals to substitute in Shealy/Huber/Sweeney for Costa/Gathright.  Nothing but good can come from something like that.

If the Royals are going to make another big signing this off season I would not mind at all seeing Fukudome brought in.  For the Royals to trump Seattle, Boston and San Fransico (clubs you would assume would be more attractive to a Japanese player) they might have to follow the Meche route and offer one more year than the other teams are willing to go.  If so, is Fukudome worth 5YR/$50M?  Hmmmm.  Well, it isn't my money, and I would rather see it on the field in Kauffman than sitting in Glass' fat ol' wallet.

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It's hard to get a Japanese player
to come to Kansas City. But, I can't blame them. There's not much of a Japanese population in KC. Seattle and San Fransisco have large Japanese populations and Boston (always a beacon of tolerance and understanding, right?) has Dice-K and Okajima. I'd love to see him in KC, but it would be a tough sell for Moore.

by royaldaddy on Oct 16, 2007 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I know you are right,
the Reds have this same problem.  Last year they only had one Asian player in their entire organization, and that player was picked up in a trade.  They made a push in Taiwan this year and signed two or three players who they plan to keep together in the minors.  I think that might be a good idea.

Anyway, KC starts off negotiations with Japanese players down one strike.  Maybe Dayton Moore is a good hitter when down in the count.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless it's Mac Suzuki
Then again, nobody wanted him at the time.  Still, Mac had some good times in KC, perhaps some of the best games of his career...

The plate discipline is encouraging, but the strikeout rate is awfully high for a guy with such suspect power.

If the Royals add an OF by FA, I'd like to see this:

CF Gathright
2B Grudz/German
3B Teahen
1B Butler
SS Gordon
RF New Guy
LF DeJesus
DH Huber
C Buck

by Stat Ninja on Oct 16, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me dream with you
  1. Fukudome RF (would you look at that OBP!)
  2. Teahen CF (best baserunner on the team)
  3. Gordon 3B (hoping for the good Gordon)
  4. Butler LF
  5. Sweeney DH
  6. Shealy/Gload 1B
  7. Grudz 2B
  8. Buck C
  9. Pena SS
I like you putting Gordon at SS.  I've had that dream also, but I think if it were possible it would have happened way back when he was at Nebraska.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still dreaming
Alex had a perfect fielding percentage and a better range factor at SS this year.  Granted, it was only 6 innings, and prior to breaking his face on a grounder in the last game of the year, but still...

KC has two fine 3B candidates (or 3 counting German), and TPJ isn't that great with the glove by RF and FPCT (12th in the AL), so why not try it?

by Stat Ninja on Oct 16, 2007 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can dream, can't I?
Fukudome RF
Teahen CF
Butler 1B
Gordo 3B
Shealy DH
Huber LF
Grudz 2B
Buck C
Moustakas SS (who knew he'd tear through the minors so quickly?)
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 16, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kan dream allso
1 Davy D CF
2 German the man 3B
3 Gloadie DH
4 Costa! LF
5 Gordo 1B
6 Brownie RF
7 Smithie 2B
8 LaRue C
9 Pena SS

Boy there is so gud leedership in that cru!

By, Buddy Bell (thax fer lettin' me use the laptopie JQ!  Ps.Chicago is cold!)

Sometimes I am a bit ashamed of what a jerk I can be.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Had Me
There for a second.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 17, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Power is suspect
Japanese ballparks are all indoors and they are all band boxes.  And of course, they don't face major league pitching.  So the power numbers are going to come down.  It won't evaporate entirely, but don't expect that kind of slugging once he comes to America.

It is hard to predict how well these guys will do when they come to the majors.  Some of them really excel.  Some of them fall on their faces.  So, a big 5-year contract is a huge risk.  Would you give a AAA player a 5-year major league contract?

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree
Hideki Matsui's power numbers dipped quite a bit coming to America. I'm not sure this would be the most efficient use of our dollars.
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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 16, 2007 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Japanese baseball overall might be at
the AA/AAA level, but clearly the best players in Japan do not need to be grouped in to the average mean.

I think the scouting report I copied hit on the same point you did.  Most likely some of Fukudome's homeruns will turn into doubles, but even so, he should slug around .500 when he arrives.  If he put up the numbers in that scouting report he would be the best bat in the KC line-up from day one.  An OPS between .850 and .900, that is pretty damn attractive.  And I don't care if is isolated power drops, if he hits 18 homeruns instead of 28.  Provided he keeps his OPS above .800 he will make me smile every day he is in the line-up.  The Royals really need a good steady bat and he looks like he would bring one.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him, but you have to recognize the risk
He could become Hideki Matsui...or he could become Kaz Matsui.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta take the risks if you want to play
the game.  Fukudome seems like less a risk to me than do any of the other $10M/per free agent outfielders available this year.

And if he fails, at least it will be an interesting failure.  Where is the fun in overpaying Goeff Jenkins or Aaron Rowand only to watch one of them crap out.  At least with Fukudome there will be an interesting narrative.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Degree of risk
All FA's are a risk.  But Fukudome has zero major league at bats.  He has been playing essentially in the minors.  And it's not like Japanese players are a lock to succeed in the majors.  The other FA's have a major league track record.  You have a better idea of how good they are and how good they will be.  Fukudome is a much bigger unknown.  I'm not against signing him.  I am against giving him a 5-year contract.  If he were to fail and be an albatross around the neck of this organization for multiple years, the fact that he was an interesting narrative would provide little solace.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fukudome
Believe there was a diary/discussion on him earlier in the year -- seem to recall people being excited about the prospect of him in Powder Blue.  Glad you posted this diary, because I (and I'm sure others, as well) had completely forgotten him.  

At 10 million per, he seems like a bargain in this market.  But will he perform as well in the ML?  I was equally excited about getting Igawa as a consolation prize to the Matsusaka sweepstakes -- kinda glad that one didn't pan out.

by marbotty on Oct 16, 2007 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

how long is the Japanese baseball season?
It looks like he's either an ironman or his ability to stay on the field is bordering on being Sweeney-esque.  

Fingers crossed their season is only 142 games long.

by marbotty on Oct 16, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

144 games
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

144 games
Fukudome has average 119 games per year.  Prior to last year it was 124 game per year.  It is a concern, but ....

All these second tier guys come with some question marks.  If they didn't have them they would be in the $15-18M/per level.  Moore actually said that he looks for guys who are good, but not great, but who he thinks will continue to improve.  By identifying these guys correctly the Royals can compete.  They can't afford the "sure things."

I expect Fukudome will cost a bit more than Goeff Jenkins, and a bit less than Rowand.  These are two FA outfielders the Royals might be able to sign.  I would rather have Fukudome than either of those other guys.  Just shooting from the hip here, but which contract would you most like to see finalized?

Jenkins - 3YR/$28M
Rowand - 5YR/$60M
Fukudome - 5YR/$50M
Bradley - 2YR/$15M (he'll miss half of 2007)
Jones - 4YR/$55M

I think those might realisticly be the best options for the Royals, and I am not sure at all Bradley or Jones would even consider coming to KC for any amount.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

A. Jones - 4/55?
I may be way off base, but I would be shocked if A. Jones got less than 5/75.  One down year after multiple great years is not going to hurt his value much.  GM's are smarter than that.  He's a bigtime hitter at a premium defensive position and a gold glove defender at the same time.  He's in the top tier and I think he'll get the biggest contract of the offseason.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know I am pretty low on Jones
I wouldn't touch him for more than 4YR/$55M myself, but your figure might be closer to his actual payday.  It isn't like I actually know what I am talking about here.

For some reason I just think Jones is done.  Like Sweeney lost his bat speed rather quickly when he lost flexibility due to chronic back problems.  I think Jones got his skills out of his legs?  And when the knees got banged up, the whole package fell apart?  Ah hell, like I know what I am talking about.

I just think some team is going to be very unhappy with Jones in 2009, and 2010, and 2011...

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything could happen
...but I just don't think he's suddenly lost it at age 30.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of think he looks like Corey Dillon...
one second he's getting to everything in CF (rushing 80 yds downfield untouched)...the next second he looks like a slug (like when Dillon was getting run down from behind last year)...I seriously don't see A. Jones playing CF for much longer
Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Oct 16, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post
very interesting

for whatever reason i had assumed Fukudome would be outside the royals' range

by Freneau on Oct 16, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Jenkins would be the most likely to be
in our range.  With Jenkins on board we could bring Lubanski along a little slower.  Or, move T. to CF and trade DeJ.  Then move Jenkins or Lubs to RF.

by grudz69 on Oct 16, 2007 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds good to me...and pretty likely
Jenkins or Bradley. Both are affordable, both can hit some, both play good defense.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jenkins
I traded for Jenkins in MLB 07 The Show the other day. Actually, I gave up DDJ and Emil Brown for Jenkins and Bill Hall. Got a home run from Hall in his second game in blue, better than what I was getting from Brown. But then again, it is just a video game.

by MileHighKCfan on Oct 17, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll say this though
He's an interesting player, and I'd like it if the Royals at least kicked the tires.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 16, 2007 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post JQ...

I hope it's bumped to the front page because I firmly believe this is the guy we should be talking about.

International marketing dollars should offset the higher price. Could the Royals make $2 mil a year in extra TV revenue, merchandising, etc? The Royals next year could do what the BoSox and A's are trying to work out this season - start the regular season in Japan. We'd be giving up a couple home games, but in return we would get sellouts, massive publicity, and Royals logo thundersticks.



Royals fans will love us some thundersticks.

On the pure baseball end - this guy is a semi-long term solution in the outfield. Don't get me wrong, he is an injury risk, especially coming off his troublesome 2007 season. However, if that 875 OPS projection holds true, we can think of this guy like Mark Teahen in 2006, minus the minor league assignment. 

We will still require a power bat, which we can develop internally or go after the dreaded BB (after Jan 31, 2008, when the grand jury will again disband).

Make the Royals a world power, GMDM. Get Fukudome!

by Cleveland on Oct 16, 2007 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Problem is...everyone will be talking about him
There is a shortage of good FA's.  And Fukudome is a FA, so there is no posting fee.  So every team is going to look at this guy and I'm sure at least a dozen teams will bid on him.  It's basic supply and demand.  Scarcity drives up the price.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Fukudome
ends up going 4/48 or 5/60 then I would agree that his price is too high. However, up to that point, we need to be leading the discussions. Sweeney/Meche money on this guy is not too much, especially in the current climate.

New TV deal, CBA deal year 2, (almost) free stadium renovations (i.e. more luxury boxes/higher price points) -  Glass has got some money coming in. We should be spending around 60-80 mil every year.

by Cleveland on Oct 16, 2007 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd go 5/55 on him?
That's a lot of faith in what amounts to a guy who has played AAA ball only.  If he doesn't pan out, he'd cripple this organization for the next 5 years.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of international free agents
This guy is also available:

Cuban defector Alexei Ramirez

26 year old SS/CF with power! Of course, the record of Cuban defectors performing in the big leagues has been shaky at best.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 16, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't you mean "26" year old?
A Cuban defector who is "26" is probably closer to 36.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ow! Ow! Him Too!
I know nothing about him, but if he can field SS without embarrassing himself and if he can OPS over .700 the Royals really should buy his mom a nice new home today.

The Royals minor league system is a wasteland when it comes to middle infielders.  If Pena got hurt last year the Royals would have had to turn to either Jason Smith or the Devil as their everyday SS.  If faced with that decision I would have started either Huber or Brazell at shortstop instead and accepted the laugh track just to get something out of the position.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andres Blanco? Angel Sanchez?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Oct 16, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Esteban German?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Oct 16, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just my opinion,
but I don't think Blanco or Sanchez are necessarily better than the Devil, and even if they are, they still would be team anchors.

And we all love German, but let's stop pretending he can field any position other than 1B/LF/DH.  His defense is "fair at best" at 2B, and it is absolutely horrible at 3B and SS.  I just think we should stop pretending he is not hurting the team when he fields any position other than the immobile ones.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blanco and Sanchez
I know DM cares about defense, and both of their games in the field are far, far superior to the Devil's.

by doublestix on Oct 16, 2007 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

off base on shealy, butler, huber
i like the idea of fukodome, but the idea of butler in left is absurd.  the guy is made for 1b/dh.  huber may work in left, but has still yet to prove he's major league ready as an impact hitter (and also has not been provided the opportunity).  and, ryan shealy, well he does not need to be able to compete for a roster spot.  with gload and butler at first/dh, shealy is not needed at all.  if craig brazell has a long swing not destined for the majors, i can't imagine how anyone let ryan shealy up.  shealy hacks a bunch and has a long swing.
pat

by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Oct 16, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Shealy
Looked good in KC in 2006, not good in 2007.  Injured throughout the 2007 season.  No reason not to continue to give him a shot to see if he can rebound after an injury filled season.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 16, 2007 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am still somewhat Bullish on Shealy,
but if he comes up short it seems less a problem now than it would have a year ago.  We know Butler can out-hit him, and sorta play 1B.  We know that Huber can get on base and can DH in place of Butler.  And we know that Gload and German are not horrible options at 1B.  

cough cough, And I still have hopes for Brazell coming back and winning the AL Triple Crown next year.

Anything the Royals get out of Shealy now I see as bonus now rather than essential production.  Signing Fukudome would give the Royals more roster flexibility and allow them to resign Sweeney and give Shealy another shot.  Fukudome basically puts Gload and Gathright on the bench and puts Huber, Sweeney or Shealy into the line-up.  The Royals either have a power line-up with Butler in LF, or a great fast defensive outfield with DDJ in LF.  Like a good rug really brings a living room together, Fukudome would bring the whole roster together.  As if I know what I am talking about.

Can someone give me Fukudome's agent's e-mail address?  I want to send him this thread.  I'll take him out for barbeque, give him a Royals Review T-shirt, make sure he has the finest suite at the Drury House, take him down to the K and shag Brazell fly balls with him, at least the few that do not land in the fountains, etc.  Maybe Loyal2 can knit him a blanket?  Yeah, that ought to seal the deal.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Butler in left field...
simply won't work. Defense still counts for something.

by djk royal on Oct 16, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Japanese superstar or not
Fukodome is going to have to wait in line for those blankets.

by wildthang on Oct 16, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that we must
give Shealy one more chance, but he should be on a very short leash. He's not exactly young and can't keep using the "I'm hurt" excuse for his slow bat. I'm not going to count on him for next season. If he shows up and blows Dayton away, good for him. If he comes in and tries guessing on pitches again and struggling against the fastball, goodbye Ryan.

by royaldaddy on Oct 16, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fukudome
would be a great addition in right and provide some much needed pop to the lineup.  A lot of people compare him to Jermaine Dye.  I don't know if the Royals can outbid the larger market teams for him, but maybe the best OF option on the market.  Alexei Ramirez would be a good possibility as well, but I don't know how well his numbers would translate to the MLB.  Shealy should be given an opportunity as well, he could still be the cheap source of power that we envisioned him to be when we traded for him.  

by lordbyronk on Oct 16, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm all for Fukudome...
remember Mac Suzuki...bring back the Japanese love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...this guy prolly gets 6yr/70mil from Seattle/Boston/NYY, but I'm all for him in K.C. ...sign him and Milton Bradley and kick all the rest of our worthless OFs to the curb and watch Teahen scramble in CF
Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Oct 16, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm,
very interesting. His power will decline if he's signed over here, but it's hard to know how far because of his injuries. Looks like a guy who'll make the transition well.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 16, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

And, we want to give this guy 55 million?
Why???  He is injury prone and unproven.  Why not add a Jenkins or any one else who has a proven track record in the bigs.

Fukudome is a big gamble and not worth the risk.

by grudz69 on Oct 16, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Dice-K got $53 million over 6...
So why would a guy with so much less fanfare that is not a pitcher get more than him? I understand there was a ridiculous posting fee to negotiate that contract, but I'm pretty sure Scott Boras didn't care and negotiated the highest possible deal he could get.

by dman126 on Oct 17, 2007 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

And Matsuzaka was younger
Thankfully the market for Japanese players who have never played a major league game is a little softer than for other FA's.  But of course salary inflation and FA scarcity will push things up.  It is possible that he could be had for 4/40.  If so, I'd do it in a second.  But this market scares me.  Teams have a lot of money this year and few good options.  That could make for a lot of really bad contracts.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 17, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stat translations
The article says his stats translate to 300/375/500.

If those are confirmed by other sites that do these type of translations, and it would then be presumably be safe to say they are at least reasonably close, then my opinion would be 50 million for 5 yrs, factoring in a probable slight decline for aging, but also a slight upgrade for what apparently is very good defense, would be a great way to spend some of our budget surplus this off season.

The scouting reports sounds like the guy would be a PERFECT fit for the style of play the Royals need from their outfielders in the spacious K.

by loyal2s dad on Oct 17, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

My concerns
First, various sites and analysts attempt MLE's (Major League Equivalencies) for Japanese players coming to the majors.  Unfortunately, every time I see multiple MLE's for a Japanese player, they are all over the map.  I see very little agreement as translating from Japanese leagues to MLB is very difficult (in part because there is very little historical data for how Japanese players have translated to MLB).

Second, he's 31 now, meaning he would be 32 for the first year of his contract.  That means a 5-year contract would take him from ages 32-36.  Typically there isn't a slight decline over those ages.  Typically the decline is fairly significant.

I like his numbers.  I like his style of play.  I like his defense.  What I don't like is a big contract with long-term risk.  If he performs at the level of Kaz Matsui, Akinor Iwamura or Kei Igawa, it could cripple the organization for years.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 17, 2007 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reminder
Kaz Matsui is goin to the World Series and has been a huge factor in the Rockies postseason run. Not to mention part of the best defense in MLB. But obviously you are referring to his career numbers which really suck.

by MileHighKCfan on Oct 17, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long story short, he stinks
Career OPS+ 83.  OPS+ this year 87.  Normalize his numbers this year for park and league and they aren't much better than his career totals.  He's been a dazzling failure as a major leaguer.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 17, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Age,
Actually, he is 30, and will be 31 next year.  Soooo, if the law of averages holds up, he should have another five years in him before he really starts to drop.

And actually 36 is kinda a catch all for "decline," because it takes all factors into account.  Actually pitchers age more slowly, power hitters age slower than do slap hitters.  The bottom drops out on players at 36 if they base their game on defense or speed.

Now, on the other hand, Fukudome is an old 30 as he has been playing professionally since he was 20.  And he has already had one operation on his elbow.  And he has tended to miss about 20 games a year.

But anyway, there is no reason to think he will not give the Royals at least 3 or 4 or 5 good years.  All the other FA outfielders are about the same age.  Rowand and Bradley will be 30.  Andruw Jones will be 31.  Jenkins will be 33.

Let's be ridiculously postive about Fukudome and will him to be a huge sucsess in Kansas City.

by James Quinn on Oct 17, 2007 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He isn't injury prone.
His present injury is floating loose objects (whatever) and the prognosis is good.  The only other injury he had was due to him taking a pitch on the hand.  The season is shorter there, he hasn't missed much time.  So saying, I don't think he is a great fit cause the HRs just won't be there.   Besides, he's on my Fantasy team as a prospect and I really want him to go to Texas.  You guys can't afford him anyway, so all this talk is fluff.
Yoda

by Yoda @ Royals Review on Oct 25, 2007 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, the Royals can afford him.
Glass has a ton of money he has stockpiled from past profits off the Royals.  Plus a lot of money came off the books at the end of this season.  The Royals could afford Fukudome easily.  It is not the money at question, it is the will.

by James Quinn on Oct 25, 2007 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Development, production curve
In the standard development/production curve of a major league player, you don't see a significant drop from the ages of 31-35?  I don't think that's true at all.  At 31, a player is already at least two years past his peak.  A player's 31, 32 and even 33 years could/should be productive.  But you have to expect a drop off at least in the 34 and 35 seasons, often very significant.

Yes, other FA's are around the same age.  But they don't have the significant risk that he does.  They have major league track records.  He has none.  So a 5-year contract, which is inherently risky for all players, is doubly risky for him.

I'll go out on a limb and predict that the contract he eventually signs won't be as long as 5 years, no matter who he signs with.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 17, 2007 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

You are more right than I was
I read an article about decline age for different skills about a year ago.  I tracked it down just now.  It turns out I remembered the ages being a bit higher than they actually were:

Speed measured by Baseball HQ speed ratings - peaks at age 24
Health - measured by PA per season - peaks at age 27
Contact Rate - measured by K/AB - peaks at age 28
Power - measured by SLG-AVG (ISOP) - peaks at age 30 or 31
Plate discipline - OBP-BA (ISOD) - peaks at age 34
Batting Eye - BB/K - peaks at age 34

This is from this roundtable:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/projection-roundtable-part-1-of-5/

I remember another article which tracked decline rates.  This is from memory so it is dangerous, but I remember most batting skills rose until around 28 years, than they stayed pretty stable until around 34?, and than at 35? they started a fairly rapid decline.  If I am remembering this data correctly than the above peak ages probably are not terribly different from what follows over the next four, or five, or maybe six years?  If I track down that other article I'll post it.  I do remember the peak and decline curve was more like an Arizona mesa than a Colorodo Rocky (ha ha)

by James Quinn on Oct 17, 2007 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the plateau, in general
While a player's peak, in general terms, happens in his late 20's, there is a plateau of sorts after that for a number of years.  I don't have any easy citations at the tip of my fingers either, but I thought that plateau on average lasted until about 33 (with some gradual decline occuring even through the plateau period).
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Oct 17, 2007 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, that seems about right
although its hard to tell anymore... I was stunned when I found out how old Manny Ramirez is... he's closer in age to Eric Wedge than he is Josh Beckett, but he's still mashing

I think alot of how long the peak extends is player-specific, but thats the non-statement of the year

Fukudome is who we thought he was

by Freneau on Oct 18, 2007 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

More on why I like Fukudome
A high strikeout rate doesn't really bother me as long as it is off-set by a high OBP.  See Adam Dunn for example, or ... Fukudome's Japanese numbers.

According to that THT discussion I quoted above, a player's power should peak at 31, and their ability to get on base should peak at age 34.  If Fukudome follows this general trend the Royals should get him when his power is peaking, and as his power stagnates or dips slightly his OBP should actually contiue to climb for the next three years.  Since he looks like he might be bringing an OBP nearing .400 to KC in his first year he should be clogging those basepads on a regular basis until 2010, 2011, 2012,...

It all looks good to me still.  Throw some money at this guy!

by James Quinn on Oct 18, 2007 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Failure in humor
Fukudome is who we thought he was

And hopefully, we don't "let him off the hook."

by Cleveland on Oct 18, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

62 comments on a player we probably
won't get anyway.   WOW!!!!  

by grudz69 on Oct 18, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

You're not feelin' the buzz, are you grudz? :P
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 18, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Probably won't get!"
Bite your tounge man.  Fukudome will come if we all just wish hard enough!

by James Quinn on Oct 18, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Therrrrrrrrrrrrre's alwaaayyyyyys
tomorrrrrrrrrrow for dreeeeeeeeeeams to come true. Tomorrrrrrrrow if not far (voice crack) awaaaay!
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 18, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

is, not if
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 18, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another Japanese free agent?
Tomohiro Nioka Could Come To MLB

Tomohiro Nioka is a 31 year-old shortstop for the Yomiuri Giants of Japan.  He's starting to generate a little buzz as a possible MLB crossover this winter, especially given the weak free agent shortstop market.

Nioka will be a free agent this winter (no posting fee required).  I haven't seen any recent quotes indicating that he wants to come over here, but he did say "I'd most definitely consider playing in the Major Leagues" back in 2003.

The Daily Herald's Scot Gregor notes that the White Sox could opt to pursue Nioka over Juan Uribe.  The Sox have had success in the past with the Tadahito Iguchi and Shingo Takatsu signings.  Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star expects Nioka to come over, but doesn't see the Jays signing him.

Nioka hit .295/.346/.457 with 20 HR in 508 ABs this year.  You can find his earlier numbers here.  I talked to one Japanese fan who considers Nioka a poor man's Akinori Iwamura.  He ranks Nioka's defense as good but not great.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 18, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm, maybe.
Here is his cube.

No 2007 or 2005 numbers!  Maybe someone else can track down a better breakdown of his career.

2004 - 327 at bats, .269/.326/.382, 9 HR, 49 RBI.
2006 - 551 at bats, .289/.329/.472, 25 HR, 79 RBI.
(2007 - 508 at bats, .295/.346/.457, 20 HR, ?)

His 2006 and 2007 numbers look OK.  His 2004 looks less than OK.  Drawing only on these years he looks like only an upgrade over Pena at least with the bat.

Glad you noticed this possiblity.  I think the Royals should be on the hunt for just about any MLB ready SS who can be signed to a short term deal.  If for no other reason than to give the Royals some backup plan to Pena beside the Devil.  It looks like Niokia would be better than Pena, but the Royals have Moustakas coming up so they probably will not want to sign anything longer than three years.

by James Quinn on Oct 18, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will he be available?
It looks like Tampa should have him under control for a few more years unless they waive him.

I remember from his very brief stint in Cincinnati he was not much of a shortstop.  Not too error prone but he had limited range.  I think most thought of him more or less like the Royals think of German.  A utility infielder who can hit fairly well but is a minus at all infield positions except 1B.

by James Quinn on Oct 18, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may be right...
About his contract situation, but the infield in TB is getting awfully crowded with Longoria coming into the picture. I didn't think he was a fielding minus - but then again I'm not an expert.

His last year was pretty good. It could just be an outlier, but he could also be on the rise (27 turning 28). If he could be had for pretty cheap (and that's a semi-big if) he could be a good offensive parry to the defensive "strength" of Pena.

by Cleveland on Oct 19, 2007 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

My memories of Harris
Brendan Harris came to the Reds as part of the July 13th massacre which will forever taint him in my eyes through no fault of his own.  When the trade went through Krivsky talked up Harris as not just a throw in, but one of the key parts of the deal.  Harris immediately reminded me of Todd Walker, while today he reminds me more of German + kinda power - sorta speed.  He could hit well for a middle infielder, but not well enough to hold down a corner position, and he couldn't field well enough to not hurt the team up the middle.  

Anyway, after talking Harris up Krivsky went ahead and waived him within six months rather than jettison some of his dusty old "right way" players like Chad Moeller or Bubba Crosby.  Krivsky is clueless.  The depths of his delusions drop my jaw at times.

Anyway, I'd be happy to have Harris starting over Pena.  I think that would likely help the team.  But Harris is just a better stop-gap at SS and Pena.  If I were Dayton Moore I wouldn't offer too much value up for him.

by James Quinn on Oct 19, 2007 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder if
Hiring Hillman makes us a player for Japanese free agents.
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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 19, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Top 3 Japanese Free Agents
This was posted at MLB Trade Rumors:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/10/top-3-japanese-.html

Top 3 Japanese Free Agents
I asked JapanBall's Bob Bavasi for his thoughts on the Top 3 Japanese Free Agents who may come over to MLB this winter.  He kindly obliged, providing a couple of paragraphs on each.  His summaries are below.

  1. Kosuke Fukudome, Dragons.  Left-handed hitting outfielder from the Dragons in Nagoya.  Can play any outfield position, but probably best in right.  A solid, no-nonsense type player, with a terrific glove and sound arm, he's the best Japanese position player in either league.  Absolutely no secret about this guy.  
  2. Hiroki Kuroda, RHP, Hiroshima Carp.  This fellow is probably a number three or four starter in the big leagues.   Was 12-8 this season in 26 starts with a 3.56 ERA.  A free agent last year, he decided to stay in Japan by signing a four-year deal with the Carp, but with a clause therein that allows him to test the waters when he so desires.  He's probably going to do so now.  The Carp just announced that his arm was okay after a medical exam in the United States.  If you're looking for more info on Kuroda, check out this post at East Windup Chronicle.
  3. Masahide Kobayashi, RHP, Chiba Lotte Marines.  This closer was the number one draft pick by the Chiba Lotte Marines in 1999.  He may be the best available reliever on the free agent market, though he has not made the sort of overtures about wanting to leave Japan as the other two.  During the recent playoffs in Japan, his manager, Bobby Valentine, noted that Kobayashi keeps "looking better every time out."  True enough, and a reason I like him.
With the departure of Dotel and Grenkie from the Royals bullpen, and the very possible departure of Riskie, I think the Royals need to look for at least one more good arm to hold the crew together.  Two additional good bullpen arms would give the team the option of trying Soria out in the rotation.  If it were up to me I would break camp with Soria in the #4 slot and see what happens.  Starting pitchers are always two to three times more valuable than relievers.  

Maybe Hochevar will prove reliable in the pen?  Maybe Joe Nelson will be able to contribute again?  Maybe Nunez is finally ready to give a full season of decent work? There is not a lot of hope of finding solid new additions in-house.

Bottom line, maybe Moore should look into this Kobayashi guy.  I mean, as long as we are signing Fukudome, why not pick up a Kobayashi on the same shopping trip.

by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, Musser
can't forget our Musser.  He is probably more likely to help out next year than Nelson.  I would be surprised to see both on the team.

And no one better mention Kyle Davies here.  I just will not tolerate that garbage clogging up this discussion.  

by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

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