Royals Review: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
New Blog: Sounder At Heart for Seattle Sounders Fans!

Paul Byrd Allegations Raises the Possibility the Royals Had a Team Problem

This was passed along to me this morning from Gary Gaffney, a doctor at the University of Iowa who follows PEDs:

The Kansas City Royals, pathetic performers in the 2000s,  also appear to be a pathetic PED/'roid/HGH users.  Does history point at the Royal's ex-trainer Chris Mihlfeld as the source of the HGH scourge?

The revelation today of Paul Byrd receiving deliveries of HGH while a pitcher for the Royals, leads us to speculate about the relationship between former Royal Byrd, nailed HGH/steroid user and former Royal Jason Grimsley, and the former Royals trainer Mihlfeld.

Link, here.

Gaffney also has a long post on the Byrd story.

Byrd has told FOXSports that he has a brain tumor and is taking HGH for those reasons.

0 recs  |  Comment 52 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Proof that PEDs
enhance nothing.  It's all about talent.

by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I could tell
Look at Byrd's home run totals. It was obvious.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 21, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Applauding
mazoboom's comment.

Entire movement to discredit accomplishments and label this the "Steroid Era" is appalling to me.

I'M TIRED OR READING/HEARING ABOUT IT.

by loyal2s dad on Oct 21, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree totally.
How often do you hear that Babe Ruth had the home run record but that people of color were prevented from playing in the majors so there should be a asterisk.  I think the comparisons are valid b/c people of the early 20th century were not competing against the best of the world; they simply played with the best of a select portion of the white world.

by TXroyal on Oct 21, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ending the steroids era
We are all sick of hearing about illegal use of drugs, but it will not die as a story until players stop using them.  And players will not stop using them until they are held accountable.

And PED's clearly improve performance.  If you look at the website Will referenced above (Steroid Nation) you will find a recent report by a physicist that demonstrates how using PED's can increase a player's homerun total by 50%.  That is just one example of how performance is improved.  Players would not be taking them if they did not improve performance.

I'll be glad when this whole era is done, but exposes like this are just part of the process of ending it.  That is how I see it at least.

by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but the days of 2003-4 have died
utterly and totally

but yet MLB still wants us to keep talking and caring about

by royalsreview on Oct 21, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do we know the era has passed?
As there is no test for HGH or many "designer" steroids (such as the BALCO drugs), there is no reason to think players are not still using them.  Hopefully use has declined, but really, who knows?

As there is no medical way to test for most drugs, and since the player's union will not allow MLB to retain frozen samples until a test can be developed, and since the player's union refuses to allow any substance other than urine to be gathered, the best way to discover who is using illegal drugs is simply to discover who is buying them.  And this is most likely how all the new names which will be on the Mitchell report will have been obtained.

Law enforcement has always tracked drug purchases via financial transactions, not through fluid tests.  The method that just exposed Byrd is the same method that has been used by law enforcement for generations.  It was not baseball that discovered Byrd's long illegal habit; it was a criminal investigation.  The FBI will probably leave Byrd and other users alone.  They have already publicly stated they have no interest in cleaning up baseball.  The FBI is simply interested in shutting down a large and dangerous illegal drug smuggling and distribution enterprise.

by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tracked by financial transactions
This tells me that the number of players named is likely far less than the number of players actually using.

by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, players wouldn't be taking them
if they did not THINK that they improved performance.  Just because they think it's true doesn't necessarily mean it is.  I could link you to pages that say drugs make no difference to counter your websites that say they do.  The problem is that we can't do testing on humans, and even if we could, we wouldn't have two exact people to test whether the drugs made more of a difference than talent.

by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm coming late to the party
but did you read the paper by the physicist?

That paper by the physicist is pretty bad. He makes assumptions about muscle hypertrophy, muscle mass and force generation that an undergrad majoring in sports science wouldn't (dare to) make. He needs to either open a basic text on sports science or consult one of his colleagues in the sports science department.

The physicist did not do any studies, certainly not with real life MLB players. What he did was make broad sweeping generalisations.

visiting A's and Mets fan

by rfloh on Oct 24, 2007 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless of course
the magical 2003 season was brought about by the magic of drugs.  We might have to asterisk that season and give them a losing record on the books.

by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey
he won like 25% of our games or some number like that. I think he took the burden upon himself to prevent us from becoming one of the worst teams in history that season.

by wildthang on Oct 21, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he has a brain tumor and HGH
can help the quality of his life to be better who are we and who is MLB to look down on him for this.   If he was doing it to be a better pitcher then thats another story.  I do not think he would make up a lie like this so I believe it is being user for the right reasons.  

by TXroyal on Oct 21, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That story is ridiculous.
If he was taking the HGH to treat his brain tumor he would have had a prescription, not bought it illegally over the internet from an out of state "wellness center" that was just shut down by the police for illegally distribution of smuggled drugs bought from an organized crime syndicate.

by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PED's DO enhance performance
For power hitters and power pitchers, they help build muscle.  Building muscle builds strength.  Building strength increases power.  For all players, many PED's can help players rebound from injury quicker.

PED's give a competitive advantage through illicit chemical means.  It doesn't make a bad player a great player.  It can make help make a poor player into an average player (Byrd) or a pretty good player into a very good player (Bentancourt) or a very good player into a great player (Bonds).  There is a reason that every major sports organization in the world bans these substances.  Doping is a serious international problem.  These drugs help players and it helps them in a way which is unfair to the rule abiding players and which is detrimental to the sport.

I have no idea why there are so many "hey it's no big deal" PED apologists.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think
there is collective exhaustion regarding the subject, and a lot of unsupported speculation, and uneven, self-serving media response.  (One doc's blog doesn't convince me of a 50 to 100% increase in home run production, for instance.  I take it into consideration, but accepting this as fact makes no sense to me.)

For myself, I can say I don't approve of steroid use, and never have.  But I don't consider it a total blight on the human condition either, and am suspicious of scenarios drawn in absolute black and white.  I don't think that makes me an apologist.  

by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't take this guy seriously
First, HGH is used to treat musculoskeletal injuries -- to insinuate that it causes them is inexplicable, for an M.D. Second, to link to articles about treatment of burn victims and carpal tunnel in the elderly to prove your point is really strange. We're not worried about Mike Sweeney's hypermetabolism, we're worried about his lower back.

Second, I couldn't find the article claiming that the PEDs can increase homerun total by 50%, but without looking at it I will say that both from physics and medical standpoints such a study is highly suspect.

by Moose Tacos on Oct 21, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

50%???
Yeah, that sounds more than a little crazy to me.  I fully recognize that various PED's increased the home run totals of many players, but increasing their HR's by 50%?  I don't buy that for a second.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dr. Gary Gaffney
is a medical researcher who has studied performance enhancing drugs since the 1980's.  Here is a link to his bio page:

http://grg51.typepad.com/about.html

and here is a link to the study I mentioned above:

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/09/steroids-theore.html

I don't see any reason not to take his information seriously.  He seems to have the credentals and background.

I also don't understand why you are uncertain about the effectivness of PED's.  We already know that almost all the track and field and baseball players who broke long-standing records during the "era" were users.  If for no other reason that alone makes the case for me.  No one hits more than 61 homeruns in 50 years and than three players break the record in two years?  And we know that two of them (McGuire and Bonds) were users of PED's, and I would eat my foot if it turns out Sosa was clean.

by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, right.
I forgot that we know that Bonds used them.

by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, we do.
We know he paid for shipments from BALCO.

We know his trainer went to jail for illegal possession.

We know his personal physician lost his medical license in California for illegal distribution of steroids.  Bonds was the only Giant who had a "personal" physician.  All the other players just used the team doctors.  

We know he tested positive for speed and blamed it on a team mate.  Apparently he just takes drugs out of his teammates lockers and swallows them without asking what they are first.

We know he has been the subject of a federal investigation for perjury steaming from his claim he did not use steroids.

We know he has admitted to using "the clear," but not knowing it was a steroid.  Apparently he just spreads cream on his body without knowing what it is.

His former mistress (for what this is worth) claimed he admitted he used to her.

And for heaven's sake, just look at the man's head and chest.

Seriously, do you have doubts?  Seriously?

by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Circumstantial evidence
Circumstantial evidence convicts people of felonies everyday.  You rarely have an eyewitness who actually sees the person commit the crime and then testify to it.  And yet, a raft of circumstantial evidence is frequently sufficient to convict a felon beyond a reasonable doubt.  There is more than enough circumstantial evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Bonds did indeed use PED's for years.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then.
I guess Bell was fired.

by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus
no one likes Bonds anyways.  I often wonder if Bonds were more personable to reporters, would he have been singled out?

One could point out that Bonds HAS passed pee tests for steroids in recent years, despite the circumstantial evidence that supports the notion that he used.  One could point out that speed and controlled substances like cocaine have been commonplace in baseball's past, going WAY back, just in case anyone is worried about the integrity of the game.

If I were placed on a jury right now, I'd say Bonds used.  A poor and unnecessary choice, but I don't think that makes him the devil.  I don't think it negates his talent and accomplishments as a player.  I just don't see it that way.   What I see is a player who's been put under a microscope because it sells books and gets ratings.  I've heard people who don't know what an rbi is express undeniable certainty about Bonds' motives and character -- a weird cultural phenomenon in my opinion.

by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me personally,
the thing is there are so many reasons to dislike Bonds.  If he had just tacitly admitted using, like Giambi, Caminiti, Grimsley, etc, I am sure my dislike for him would have been pretty shallow.  

It is the whole issue of personal responsibility that continues to drive my dislike of him.  Bond's equates misdirection and plausible denial to proper and upright behavior.  There are a lot of examples of this type of behavior, from Ken Lay to Tuberculosis Airline guy.  Bonds reached the age of reason long ago.  He needs to act responsibly.

by James Quinn on Oct 22, 2007 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
and believe our lives (and his) might be better for the admission.  

But it's my opinion that some people's unacceptable behavior is considered more unacceptable than others.  Why the societal focus on Barry Bonds, when it's becoming clear that at worst he was small part of a league wide problem.  Unlike Ken Lay, (or Betancourt), he was not the ringleader.  Why the multimillion dollar government proble centered around him?  That doesn't seem right either, and in that context I can see why he wouldn't say a word about it to his brother, his mother or anybody else.  This is the world we live in.  

As a side note - I'm continually impressed by the level of dialogue on this site.   Emotions are high on this issue, but there's a substantive discussion going on...

by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

credentials ...
I wouldn't want to make any serious accusations about Dr. Gaffney without doing more research, but I have been around science (and medicine) long enough to know how people with credentials can mislead people. My reason for not taking his information seriously is stated above: in order to prove that complications arise from HGH use, Dr. Gaffney links to two articles completely unrelated to musculoskeletal injuries. No doubt he is counting on the fact that most of his readers will ignore the links or just accept his credentials as proof. This is at best lazy and at worst just flat out wrong.

I have no doubt that PEDs increase performance. Taking a look at the study, there are a number of assumptions that go into the 50% figure, not to mention the poorly-understood model of how pitching and hitting work. The most basic point is good, but it is disingenuous to only cite the 50% number.

by Moose Tacos on Oct 21, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roughly true, but highly inexact
I think it is fair to say that this doctor's study includes some significant degree of truth, but arriving at the 50% figure is highly questionable.  I believe the study is good evidence that PED's enhance performance.  But the quantication is suspect at best.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually
While I think you are right, that's not what this study is about - the primary point is that a small difference in kinetic energy makes a large difference in home run totals, one that is completely correct. However, this physicist (rightly) just assumes a percentage increase in muscle mass, and proposes a theoretical model that allows transfer of that assumed figure. So the study cannot be seen as evidence that PED's enhance performance, only as a suggested mechanism of how they would enhance performance if they were indeed shown (probably in a controlled clinical trial to get the % figure) to do so.

Time to go watch game 7.

by Moose Tacos on Oct 21, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right,
I saw his credentals and accepted him as someone who most likely knew what he was talking about without challenging his claims.  I am just deferring to an expert here because, afterall, baseball is just a hobby for me.

Anyway, for me the important point to the study wasn't the figure of 50%, it was just to counter the point that PED do not actually enhance performance.  I just can't understand that point of view.  We know thousands of players risk their health, professional standing, reputation, even their legal freedom, to seek out and use expensive drugs that they only think may help them?  Does that seem logical at all?  PEDs are big business because people know they work.

by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tiger penises and bear gall bladders
are big business too

used by thousands or more

Do they work?

by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 21, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every sports organization on the planet
...bans the use of steroids, HGH, etc., etc.  They don't ban tiger penises and bear gall bladders.  Why do you think that is?
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Knee-jerk reactions mostly
And because they actually hurt your body and are illegal in terms of the law for the most part.

by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Decades
Decades of knee-jerk reactions by the IOC, FIFA, NFL, NBA, etc., etc.?  They are all wrong?  Their doctors are wrong?  Their science is wrong?  The IOC and others -- but particularly the IOC -- have utilized the talents and knowledge of many of the greatest experts on sports medicine and sports pharmacology to come up with their list of banned substances.  They have a lot of data to back those lists up.  I'll go with their expertise over the knee-jerk reactions of doping apologists.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Byrd's "prescription" for HGH is phoney.
So, it turns out that Byrd's "perscription" for HGH, it was written by a dentist.  A dentist Byrd never met.  A dentist who is being prosecuted at part of the case against the "wellness center" for the illegal distribution of drugs.

Well, pretending he was taking HGH under doctor's supervision for a brain tumor allowed him to pretend he was clean for a few more hours, until the ALCS ended at least.

Would it kill someone to actually accept responsiblity for their own actions?

by James Quinn on Oct 22, 2007 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At the very least
it could end your career and make you a pariah.  I apologize for apologizing...

by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ladies And Gentlemen
I give you Bret Boone.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 22, 2007 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Byrd
I don't care if he used HGH.

Why?

BECAUSE IT WASN'T AGAINST THE GOD DAMN RULE WHEN HE TOOK IT!

He also appeared to stop when it became against the rules, so as far as his baseball accopmplishments,

THEY WERE ALL LEGITIMATE UNDER THE RULES OF BASEBALL AT THE TIME!!!

How can he be labelled a cheater? It's simply not logical.

Now, if he obtained a prescription under false pretenses, or otherwise broke the law, that's a different matter, but a matter for the courts, not for the baseball recordbooks.

by loyal2s dad on Oct 22, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Byrd's story is just smoke and mirrors
Hi L2D, I think you may have been confused by some of Byrd's excuses.  The use of illegal performance enhancing drugs was banned by MLB in 1991 by Fay Vincent.  For a player to take a performance enhancing drug under doctor's care (as Paul Byrd misleadingly claimed he did) they need to get clearance from the commissioner's office.  Paul Byrd did not alert the commissioner's office he was taking HGH, nor seek a waiver.

I know that HGH was not listed as one of the specifically banned substances until March of 2005, but that does not make its use acceptable for baseball players if they were using it to improve their performance.  There were lists of specific drugs compiled in 2004 and 2005, but that doesn't mean any drug not on those lists is fair game.  In truth, I am not really sure what purpose those lists serve other than as information for players.  I guess I need to learn more about them, but I do know that taking a prescription medicine for no purpose other than to improve performance has been banned by MLB since 1991.  

According to Byrd, he decided to start injecting himself with HGH at home to treat a life long hormonal imbalance which may have caused him to develop brain tumors.  Byrd did in fact have that hormonal imbalance and it can be treated with HGH.  However, he has not yet provided a name of a doctor who he consulted with before buying the HGH.  He paid for the HGH with his credit card, rather than just submit it to insurance as a person normally would when buying a drug for legitimate reasons.  Also, he bought $25,000 worth of HGH, the last shipment received only a few weeks before it was added to the banned list.  That is a lot of drugs.  He says he stopped taking it when it was banned, (even though it had been banned for non-medical purposes since 1991) but since there is no test for HGH no one really knows when he stopped using - or if he ever stopped using.

Byrd's "prescription" for HGH was signed by a dentist who he never met.  Dentists cannot prescribe HGH.  And this particular dentist lost his license in 2003 due to incompetence, two years before he wrote Byrd's prescriptions.  The dentist is currently being prosecuted for illegal distribution of drugs.

Who treats a brain tumor on their own without consulting a doctor?

Who pays $25,000 for drugs rather than let insurance pick up the bill?

Who buys their brain tumor drugs from an out of state "wellness center," (which obtained their drugs from an organized crime syndicate which was smuggling them into the U.S. from illegal Chinese labs) rather than just drive down to the local drug store?  If I was treating a brain tumor I wouldn't go internet shopping for the "cheap stuff."

Byrd's latest claims - He is being persecuted as backlash for a recent interview in which he claimed his religious "piety" prevented him from succumbing to the temptation to cheat as had other players such as Jose Cansaco. --  Or, his suggestion that his name may have been leaked by George Mittchel, who is a part owner of the Red Sox, to embarrass the Indians before game seven.  Byrd just keeps digging that grave.

by James Quinn on Oct 23, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I'm in a ranting mood
50 PERCENT?

I'm sorry, learned doctor or not, that guy is an idiot, and probably an idiot with an agenda.

Here are some questions to ask yourself if you think his estimate is even REMOTELY in the ballpark:

Why didn't HRs go up 50% in the league?

Why didn't the HR record of 61 go up to 91?

Why didn't the longest HR of the year go from say, 500 ft to 750 ft?

Why didn't a pitcher somewhere suddenly start throwing 140 MPH instead of a mere 95 MPH?

Why didn't the league K leader suddenly fan 400 instead of 275?

Why didn't the league SB leader steal 120 instead of 80?

Seriously, that doctor is such an IDIOT. I can't believe I had to waste even 5 minutes ranting about his STUPIDITY.

50% MY ASS.

by loyal2s dad on Oct 22, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some answers
Why didn't HRs go up 50% in the league?

Because not everyone, nor even most players were using PED's.

Why didn't the longest HR of the year go from say, 500 ft to 750 ft?

He's saying that PED's helped players increase the times they can get a ball far enough to go over the wall by 50%, not that they would hit the ball 50% farther.  There's a big difference there.

Why didn't a pitcher somewhere suddenly start throwing 140 MPH instead of a mere 95 MPH?

Why didn't the league K leader suddenly fan 400 instead of 275?

Why didn't the league SB leader steal 120 instead of 80?

First, I think he was talking about just home runs.  Second, I don't think he was saying that PED's will help anyone and everyone do whatever they do 50% better.

Seriously, that doctor is such an IDIOT. I can't believe I had to waste even 5 minutes ranting about his STUPIDITY.

50% MY ASS.

You may be right.  But what that study represents was someone trying to actually quantify the degree to which PED's genuinely enhance performance.  I appreciate the effort.  The 50% figure doesn't sound right to me.  Maybe it is actually 35%.  Or 15%.  I'm sure it isn't uniform over various drugs in various doses for various players, but I'm sure they do, generally, enhance performance.  I think there should be more studies done on the degree to which that is true, if for no other reason than to silence those willfully blind people who continue to claim that PED's do not actually enhance performance, despite the raft of evidence.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 22, 2007 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
if you read the article, he said 50 to 100%.  And doesn't that by inference mean that the hardest balls hit are going to go MUCH further?  At any rate, this is not scientific information because it is not backed up my experiment.  It's pretty clear that taking 'ped's', when combined with strict weight training regimen, has a marked effect on the building of muscle mass.  That's really all you need to say.  Putting wild unsubstantiated information out there like that just allows people to dismiss you as someone with an agenda.  

by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

distribution
With the assumed 10% increase in kinetic energy, balls will only travel about 4% farther. The issue is that home runs represent a very small tail at the end of the distribution of batted balls. You are way more likely to hit a ball 390 feet than 400 feet, because of the way this distribution works out (like any normal distribution). But now all of your 390 foot flyouts/doubles become home runs because of the added 4%.

by Moose Tacos on Oct 22, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much do PED's increas HR rates?
Regarding the claim that PED's can increase a player's HR totals by 50%.  Let's look at a few case studies of known steroids users who did not suffer long DL periods.  

The "Steroid's Era" is considered to have started in 1995-1997.

Rafael Palmeiro
1992 - 1994 - 27.3 HR/yr avg.
1995-1997 - 38.7
... a 66% bump.

Ken Caminiti
1992 - 1994 - 14.7
1995 - 1997 - 30.1
... a 104% bump

American League as a whole during the same six years.
1992 - 1994 - 0.91 HR/game
1995 - 1997 - 1.13 HR/game
... we know not all players were juicing, but somehow league wide HR totals were bumped 24%.

Obviously this is not a very good study but it does seem to support that steroids usage does in fact significantly increase HR production.  

I don't know why people are quick to dismiss the 50% figure.  To my eyes it looks like a pretty reasonable "ballpark" guess.  

We know when Bonds started using from "Game of Shadows" and we know he went from a 30-40 HR guy to 50-70 HR guy.  We have pysical science and game play evidence to work from here, and they seem to pretty well reach the same conclusion.  Steroids = a lot more homeruns.

We all want this PED obsession in baseball to end. It takes joy out of baseball for all fans.  I suggest the best way to end it is to actually enforce the rules and hold players accountable, not look the other way and ignore the problem.  Unless a person is fine with baseball players actually using PED's I encourage them to support this latest effort at enforcing accountability.  I think it is the best and fastest way to end the juicing culture.

by James Quinn on Oct 23, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post
The degree to which PED's actually enhance performance is an open question.  The fact that it does enhance performance is not in question.  I'd like to see more research done on this to help quantify it a better.

And I loved your last paragraph.  Pretending PED use didn't happen, or isn't happening or isn't a problem is only going to exacerbate the problem.  We have to acknowledge the problem and push for enforcement and accountability.  Denying the problem and being an apologist for drug cheats will only make things worse.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 23, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The full paper by Tobin is
here.

From the study:

"It is reasonable to assume that a 10% increase in an athlete's muscle mass will also increase the force exerted by those muscles by about 10%".

This is a gross generalisation. Firstly it depends whether that increase is either sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy will generally not increase force potential at all. Or in layman's terms, compare an olympic weightlifter with a bodybuilder.

Secondly, the neural system also plays a tremendously important role. Especially in a situation where the external resistance, ie the baseball bat, is minimal, rate of force development is just as important as maximum force potential. Compare a shot putter to a javelin thrower. The shot weight for males is about 7kg, about 15 lbs, about 4kg for females, about 9 lbs. The javelin 0.8 and 0.6 kgs respectively. Elite shot putters might spend about 50% of their training time on heavy resistance training, whereas elite javelin throwers 15-25%.

The reason that 50% figure is a problem is that Tobin makes gross generalisations, then applies those generalisations to his mathematical model.

visiting A's and Mets fan

by rfloh on Oct 24, 2007 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken,
But let me again stress, to me the actual figure of 50% isn't why I linked to this study.  I linked to it just to show that there is science showing that PED usage can lead to significant increases in performance.

My own thoughts are that the 50% figure probably is pretty accurate, but regardless as to if the figure is 15% or 100%, in the end this article helps explain why PEDs help players hit more homeruns.  It counters the claim that PEDs don't work.

by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN: Matthews, Byrd & Ankiel may be suspended
From: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3078690

Gary Matthews Jr., Paul Byrd, Rick Ankiel and other Major League Baseball players who have been linked to human growth hormone in published reports face the prospect of a Bud Selig-imposed suspension if they are found to have violated U.S. law.

Citing a high-ranking major league official, The Los Angeles Times reported Thursday that Major League Baseball's commissioner hasn't ruled out such discipline for players even if they did not violate baseball's drug policy.

Major League Baseball did not ban HGH until January 2005, but steroids and HGH have been, and still are, illegal without a legitimate prescription.  (My note, this part still confuses me.  I understand that any use of prescription drugs for non-medical purposes, just as a method of improving performance, has been banned by baseball since 1991.  Maybe I do not fully understand this part of the policy.  I'll keep learning.)

SI.com reported earlier this year that Matthews ordered HGH in 2004. The Los Angeles Angels outfielder is expected to be called to Selig's office in November to discuss the report, The Times reported.

Byrd is the player most recently linked to HGH. On Sunday, the day of Game 7 of the ALCS, the San Francisco Chronicle reported the Indians right-hander had purchased nearly $25,000 worth of HGH and syringes between 2002 and 2005. Byrd said he was taking the drug under a doctor's care for what he described as a pituitary gland issue.

Byrd said the Indians and MLB officials knew of his condition -- "I have nothing to hide," Byrd said Sunday -- but both disputed the pitcher's claim. Baseball officials said they want to discuss the matter with him.

by James Quinn on Oct 25, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Kansas City Royals.
Start posting about the Royals »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
JT20 Dynasty League
Royalsreview_small
KU-KSU Links: Battle for Mt. Sunflower!
Small
Royals ownership...how'd it happen?
Royalsretro_small
Royals trade Mark Teahen to the White Sox for 2B Chris Getz and 3B Josh Fields
Royalsreview_small
Rays Send Aki Iwamura to Pirates for Random Prospect
Glencoco_small
One Fan's Vision for the Royals
Img_0208_2_small
World Series Poll
N1309620122_30067195_1714_small
Offseason time
Ignignokt_small
Royals Attendance Analysis
Royalsreview_small
Royals Want Your Royals Related Graffiti

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Royalsreview_small royalsreview