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Decision Time 2008: Emil Brown

In honor of Emil's pending arbitration decision date...

One of the key decisions the Royals will have to make during the next few weeks is Emil Brown.  Brown is entering his third and final year of arbitration.  The Royals can either offer Emil arbitration and commit to paying him whatever figure results; or, they can non-tender him.  If Emil is non-tendered he could be claimed by any other club as he passes through waivers; however, I believe if he is claimed the new club would still have to offer him arbitration.  If no other club picks up Emil he becomes an unrestricted free agent after he clears waivers. It is possible that Emil might pass though waivers and then decide to resign with the Royals for a split contract, but I think that is not something anyone should count on.

If Emil is offered arbitration he can be offered no less than 80% of his current $3.45M salary.  The final figure likely will be closer to $4M.  Arbitration decisions are made based upon the player's performance over the last TWO years, and Emil was pretty decent in 2006.

Emil as a Royal:
2005 - .286/.349/.455/.804.  545 at bats, 17 HR, 86 RBI, 10/11 SB.
2006 - .287/.358/.457/.815.  527 at bats, 15 HR, 81 RBI, 6/9 SB.
2007 - .257/.300/.347/.647.  366 at bats, 6 HR, 62 RBI, 12/14 SB.

Star-divide

During these years, according to the numbers, Emil has improved as an outfielder.  

His range factor has moved up each year.  As a right fielder primarily in 2005, his range factor was 2.05, then he shifted to Left Field in 2006 (2.13) and 2007 (2.40).   His Revised Zone Ratings for these years (2005 RF = .650, 2006 LF = .915, 2007 LF = .843) make him about a league average LFer today.  According to this measure of defensive performance Emil is a step below Soriano and Crawford, about on the same level as Jason Bay and Jay Payton, and somewhat better than Raul Ibanez and Pat Burrell.

Also, Emil's errors decreased from 12 in 2005 to only a total of 9 in the next two years.

My eyeballs tell me Emil Brown fields like he has a brick attached to each of his palms, but I do tend to favor statistics over occasional direct observation.  Looking at the numbers, Emil Brown is no longer a hack in the outfield.  He is about average.

Regarding his work at the plate, all Royals fans know that Emil has led the team in RBI's each of the last three years.  When comparing Brown to the two other everyday outfielders over the last two years (David DeJesus and Mark Teahen), Emil has no reason to hang his head.  All three received roughly the same number of at bats.  When their counting stats are put side by side we see Emil produced at a comparable rate.

Name - (RBI - HR - SB - XBH)
Brown - (143 - 21 - 18 - 78)
DeJesus - (114 - 15 - 16 - 96)
Tehean - (129 - 25 - 23 - 91)

Why is Brown considered so expendable by much of the Royals fan base?  I would hazard the guess that in general Royals fans see Brown as easily replaced, a hanger-on; while at the same time they picture DeJesus and Tehean and upper tier talent.  Why?

Is it because Brown is older?  He will be 33 next year, so he probably is nearing his drop-off point.  When his career is reviewed it seems to me that most fans tend to think of his fine 2005 and 2006 seasons as aberrations rather than his new career norm.  Challenge these assumptions.  How can you write off two consecutive solid seasons?  Doesn't it make as much sense to see 2007 as the aberration rather than 05/06?  Does a pseudo-power hitter really drop off the statistical cliff at 33?  On average, no they do not.  Emil should have a few more good years in him.  Power and plate discipline actual peak around his age.  The skills that decline in the early 30's are defensive and base running skills, and these were certainly never Emil's bread and butter.  On average, Emil probably will be a little worse in the field and on the pads next year, but not show decline at the plate just yet.

Is it because Emil is paid so much more than Teahen and DeJesus?  If so, that gap will close significantly in 2008.  Teahen will get his first arbitration award this year and DeJesus is already signed at $2.5M.

I suspect the biggest reason Brown is so lowly regarded is his consistently poor production during April and May.  This is a fuzzy argument, but maybe you will agree.  Here are his monthly OPS numbers throughout his career.

April .614
May .733
June .817
July .652
August .777
Sept .763

These bizarre splits are not the result of a low sample size.  Emil has 2,064 career plate appearances - over 300 for each of those months.  The Royals have played themselves out of contention each of the last three years during April and May, and during these same months Emil Brown is swinging a hollow bat.  He only comes alive once the season is already in the can.  Over the last three years (the "Emil Era" if you will) I think the disappointment and frustration of Royals fans has peaked during late April and May, and these weeks coincide with Emil's annual slump.  I think it is possible that a lot of Royals fans are connecting their disappointment seeing the team as a whole tank the season early with their more pointed disappointment at seeing Emil's name in these lineups while he is still hitting around .200. Emil is associated with despair and crushed hopes.

Why does Emil take so long to heat up?  I am sure if anyone had that information Emil would be happy to give you a call.  But it is what it is.  Emil is a slow starter.

What does Emil do well?

  1. He makes good adjustments at the plate during games.  His OPS increases each time he faces a pitcher in the same night.  On his 1st plate appearance he OPSs .630, the second time it is up to .738.  By the third time he sees a pitcher he is Ruthian.  .339/.400/.515.  Maybe this is why Brown is so adept at bringing home runs?  He is a smart hitter.  He makes adjustments.  
  2. We've all known for years Brown works hard at his game.  He didn't become an MLB starter until he was 30 years old.  His development might have been slowed when he lost most of 1997 sitting on the bench in Pittsburg.  The Pirates had taken him as a Rule-5 selection that year and just hid him on the far end of the pine all season.  Emil's career fell off track after that lost summer and by 2002 he was hanging on at high-A Durham and in the Mexican League.  Alan Baird's spring training invitation to Brown in 2005 represented his final long shot, and he seized it by ripping the cover off the ball all spring (.421/.493/.719) to earn a roster spot when the team migrated north.  You have to like the concentrated effort and determination displayed by the guy during his 11 year struggle to fulfill his dream.  Emil had nothing handed to him.
  3. Brown holds a very dangerous bat when facing left handed pitching.  Even though last year his overall numbers were truly poor, he still OPSed .823 in 160 plate appearances against lefties.  For his career his L/R OPS split is .777 vs. .706.  If nothing else, Brown could be half of an excellent platoon at DH or LF.
  4. Brown has been successful in 28 of 35 stolen base attempts.  He is a good example of a guy who knows how to take a base despite not having a lot of foot speed.  While it is a frustrating situation, Brown, Teahen and Gordon are the best Royals at stealing bases, not DeJesus, German or Gathright.  It is what it is.
  5. And finally, while Brown does come off in interviews as suffering from some level of delusion, as far as I can tell he is a pretty good team player.  He has never gone on the DL in his three years in KC.  He is a dependable professional.
What does keeping Emil cost the Royals beyond his estimated $4M salary and spot on the 25 man roster?
  1. The Royals can keep no more than seven DH/OF/1B players. Teahen, DeJesus and Butler are locks. That leaves four slots for Brown, Shealy, Huber, Gathright, Costa, Gload and, realistically, German. Factor in also the possible return of Sweeney and Brazell, and you see it is a numbers game. There are seven to nine players many of us want to see on the MLB roster, and there only four slots. Injury might reduce the numbers presure slightly, but in the end keeping Emil probably means not keeping Huber, Costa, Sweeney and/or Brazell. There probably is only room for one, maybe two, of these guys on the roster at any given time.
  2. Every game Emil starts is one less game started by a younger player who still has the potential to establish himself on the roster.  If Emil comes back next year he will reduce opportunity for Shane Costa, Justin Huber and Ryan Shealy, and maybe Chris Lubanski, Craig Brazell and Mike Stodalka.
  3. Emil had a horrible campaign in 2007.  He did rally late in August and September, but he never really caught fire.  His post all-star break OPS was only .697.  No one seems to know why Emil declined so badly last year, which makes bringing him back a risk.  If we knew why he struggled, some plan could be put in place to address the problem.  As it is, we are all just shrugging our shoulders.  Mystery is more unsettling than reassuring.
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Decision Time for Emil Brown.
Offer Emil arbitration.
23 votes
Cut Emil loose.
100 votes

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If we don't have any plans of signing an upgrade for left or right (Guillen, Bay, Quentin,etc).  I guess bringing Emil back would be ok.  Personally I would have traded him last year to the Os for Rodrigo Lopez. But thats just me.  None of our other options (Huber, Lubanski, Costa) would be an upgrade over Emil in any way but cost.  If I had to guess I would think that he would be nontendered.

by gordonrules on Oct 28, 2007 1:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Does a pseudo power hitter really drop off
a cliff at age 33?"

Yep. All the time. Cut him loose.

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 28, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not an average fielder
Fielder stats are inherently limited.  It is much harder to quantify fielding that hitting or pitching.  What I see is a fielder with limited range, mediocre judgment and a glove of stone.  We've all seen, not just at times, but consistently for 3 years.

On top of that, he's at best an average hitter, and that's if he has one of his good years.  I'd much rather pay a few more million for Bradley or Jenkins to get much better defense and a bat which as good as Brown in his good years.

Plus his attitude ticks me off, and I think that makes him a poor role model for our young players.  He actually thinks he's good and he feels disrespected by getting so little playing time.  I'd rather have the attitude of Bradley or Jenkins which at least brings good defense and a decent bat.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 28, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100% Cut him loose
No love for Emil.  He needs to be gone, I have a feeling we could get similar production out of a Huber/Gator platoon or upgrade on the FA market.  Nice article JQ!  

by lordbyronk on Oct 28, 2007 6:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree
If we can't find a replacement via trade or free agency (which I'm 100% confident DM will find someone, though) Huber could fill Emily's role.

by doublestix on Oct 28, 2007 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The end of the line
I also voted to non-tender Brown for more or less this same reason.  I think the Royals can get roughly equal offensive production from other guys within the organization for a fraction of Brown's salary.  Huber, Sweeney or Brazell are all right handed hitters who I think are likely to produce an OPS roughly as high as Brown (between .750 and .800).  Huber and  Brazell both will cost 1/10th as much as Brown (~$400K) and Sweeney might actually follow through on his earlier comments and resign for a similar amount.

I will play devil's advocate here.  None of these three players are as good as Emil Brown overall.  Emil is less of a risk.  Huber and Brazell are unproven commodities.  Huber and Sweeney miss a lot of games due to injury, Emil is an ironman.  None of these three players are as good in the field as Emil.  Sad but true.  And none of these three have Emil's base running ability.

Even though I think a 2008 Emil Brown is likely superior overall to a 2008 Huber/Sweeney/Brazell I would rather see at-bats going to the later bunch.  Sweeney has more potential than Emil to put together an impact year, and I am curious to see what Huber and Brazell have to offer.  I think it is likely that the team would be somewhat more competitive with Emil in place of one of these guys, but I am not at all sure that the marginal improvement Emil would likely offer would be worth an extra $3M+.

I am probably one of Emil's biggest supporters here at Royals Review, but even I cannot see the logic in keeping him longer.  I wish him well.  I'd be happy to see Emil hang on for a few more years elsewhere.  He's done well here in KC and helped the team through some rough years, but I just don't see how his remaining on the roster will help the Royals take the next step forward.

And thanks for the pat on the back lordbyronk.  If people are interested I can write up a few more of these decision time diaries.  Some other interesting decisions are coming up involving De la Rosa, Duckworth, Grenkie, Teahen and Buck.

by James Quinn on Oct 28, 2007 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looking forward to
..."decision time" articles on De La Rosa and Duckworth.  But what is the "decision" with regard to Greinke, Teahen and Buck?  How much the Royals arbitration offer number should be?  I'm certainly much more interested in guys where the question is keep or punt.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 28, 2007 8:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Nice Comprehensive,
Objective analysis of Vlad. Given what we know about roster additions this winter (nothing), I cannot make a case for keeping him. He will not get us to the top of the mountain, much less view the River Jordan on the other side with us. He could be a role player for a good team that is willing to pay his price, but what little VORP he may have for us is not worth blocking a potential starting LFer who will be part of a contending Royals team in '09/'10.

It's time to move on; sayonara, Vladasan.

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 28, 2007 9:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seconded
this was a nice piece, JQ.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 28, 2007 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Emil is gone
I don't think there's any love lost between GMDM and Emil.  Nota that they dislike each other, but GMDM is a calculating businessman, and Emil doesn't provide the production worth retaining at the expected price.  Personally, I'll be glad to see Emil gone. He's one of the few leftover symbols of the Allard Baird era that I would prefer to put behind us as soon as possible.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 28, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Article JQ!!!!
But Emil blows.
-- Royals Delegate to the land of the Salmon and Moose (Seattle)

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Oct 28, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's only one thing that amazes me more
than the overwhelming contempt for Vlademil felt by most of us ...
and that is the fact that several smart people (on here) still apparently think there is a non-zero probability of a Sweeney resurrection in 2008.

by tfn on Oct 28, 2007 11:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If really cheap, why not?
I know many people have emotional reactions against him because he got paid a lot for not playing a great deal of time due to injury.  But holes on this team need to filled.  Some may be filled by significant free agents.  Some may be filled by trade.  But if there is still a hole for a pinch hitter off the bench, I would rather it be Sweeney (if we can get him for really cheap) than Shane Costa or someone like that.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 29, 2007 12:29 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Somehow, I agree with NYRoyal
Sweeney could serve as team dad and insurance for when Ryan Shealy flops again.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 29, 2007 12:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweeney Must Never
Play the field again for the Royals unless it's in the Series. No, on second thought, not even then. He's no older than Mike Lowell, but he's too brittle to put in the field. DH and PH, the only way Sweeney makes sense. Even then, only for 500K or less.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 29, 2007 12:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it would be crazy not to bring Sweeny back
if he really does agree to a near minimum salary contract as he said he would.  Even if Sweeney costs $1M and has incentives in his contract, he will be a bargain.  It is not inconceivable at all that he can give the Royals 300 or 400 good at bats next year and put up a decent line.  

Plus, the Royals should keep their fans in mind.  I remember how ugly it was when the Reds forced Barry Larkin to retire before he was ready.  It might have made some sense on the field, but as a long-time Reds fan I found it classless.  I grew up listening to Barry, and I expected him to be shown more respect.  Pushing Barry off the team was also pushing me away from the club.

How will it look to the fans if Sweeney wants to come back, and is willing to sign a below market-rate contract, and the Royals turn him away.  The Royals need to be better than that.  I suspect Dayton Moore will do the right thing.  And if Sweeney can't help the team next year, I expect Moore will be able to manouver him gracefully into retirement.  Moore handled Buddy's departure with a lot of class.

by James Quinn on Oct 29, 2007 1:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roster clog
There really is nowhere on the roster for him to sit. A team like the Royals cannot afford to keep a backup DH.
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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 29, 2007 11:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also
Isn't what the Royals are doing by letting Sweeney walk a lot classier than re-signing him and benching him? If we were to re-sign him and bench him for Billy Butler and Justin Huber, isn't that essentially what the Reds did to Larkin?

I'd rather see Sweeney swinging away for someone else than wasting away on our bench or worse, taking at bats from a younger player.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Oct 29, 2007 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hi Retro,
I think the key here is giving Sweeney a chance.  Sweeney hasn't been outplayed by Huber et al yet.  If he wants to come to spring training and compete, and he doesn't ask for a large contract, the Royals should be happy to have him in Arizona.  

It would be much easier letting him retire (or letting him slide into retirement via another trip to the DL) this way.  If Sweeney sees he was treated fairly but not one of the best 25 guys in camp, I expect he will not put himself in front of the team.  I expect the same will be true if he makes the team but he sees he just can't play up to the level required as the season wears on.

I should also say that this isn't so much about doing Sweeney a favor.  If Sweeney is healthy I do expect he will win a spot on the roster.  A healthy Sweeney is still a much better player than Huber/Costa/Gathright/Brazell.  If he returns to form and gives the Royals 400 at bats he will be one of the MLB's best bargains.  If Sweeney is available for $1M next year I am sure he will have no shortage of teams contacting him.

by James Quinn on Oct 29, 2007 1:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair is fair
I think you want to put the best club together, keeping in mind that you develop your young talent, etc. He has the potential to contribute, no doubt about that.  It's not a question of doing Sweeney a favour.  Sweeney should be paying his dues back at minimum wage to the club, NO INCENTIVES, no extra nothing!  The last 2 years salary total $22 mil produced a total worthy of a good year from Emil - 15 homers and 71 RBIs.  I don't know how insurance affects the amount the Royals paid, but I'm sure KC spent a lot more than they received.  If he wants to make it up to the club, give him a chance.  PH and a little DH. Cut him after 1/2 the year if he can't produce in limited at bats.  It might not look dignified, but if he really wants to be part of the club then he should take the high road and get his consolation from that.  Fair is fair.  

By the way, cut Emil.  $3 mil - $4 mil for a 4th OF in this league who will not be able to contribute offensively with limited ABs and who is less than adequate defensively is $2.5-$3.5 mil over budget.

Yoda

by Yoda on Dec 11, 2007 10:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a little different
I think all of the parties--the team, Sweeney, and the fans--are aware that Sweeney's presence on the roster is not necessarily consistent with the future direction of the team, and even a below-market contract doesn't change the fact that the Royals have to have a lot more production at 1B/DH (i.e., Butler and ???) than it had last year.  While Sweeney has said he'd like to come back, he also has said he recognizes that he might be playing somewhere else next year, and he accepts that--if nothing else, Sweeney has shown nothing to make one doubt his word, so if he says he accepts it, he does.  Further, anyone at the last game this year can tell that both KC and Sweeney were aware that it was a "farewell" and both handled it with a lot of class.

Personally, a large part of me--the Sweeney fan--wants Sweeney back if he's playing, as seeing him in another uniform would be hard.  Anybody who gave up roughly 20-25 million dollars (that's the difference between his KC contract and the $15-16 million/year he would have reportedly made if he'd left) for loyalty deserves some loyalty in return (I'm aware he's received a lot of money, but most people would maximize their profit given the choice).  Meanwhile, the Royals fan part of me also knows that the bat is slower and the pop isn't what it once was, and the need for a power upgrade is too much to overcome for sentimental reasons, and I'm afraid resigning Sweeney would be just that--if Sweeney's the best power-hitting free agent we'd have come spring, I think most people would call this offseason a major disappointment.  

If he comes back at a low contract as a pinch hitter/spot DH/1B (hey, if he's not getting paid so much and is not being relied on to be the guy on offense, there's no reason NOT to let him play in the field, even with the injury risk; plus, with his back problems, swinging the bat is about as risky as playing first base for him), great--I'd love to see him finish it out in KC.  But if not, then I'll be perfectly content to give him a standing O when he comes up to bat at Kauffman next year--for the Royals' opponent.

by CentralChamps2009 on Oct 29, 2007 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweeney
The power hitters in this FA market will cost a large fortune, if we can sign Sweeney for $500K or so, there is a chance he could return to form if healthy.  I know we say this every year, but I feel it is a chance worth taking.  He has been the face of the franchise for a longtime, and I don't see anyone ready to challenge him for that title yet.  Gordon and Butler will eventually.  

by lordbyronk on Oct 29, 2007 3:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$500K
For those against signing him for this amount, can any of you think of someone better we can get for that amount of money?
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 29, 2007 4:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Justin Huber
Obviously this is speculative, but I am confident that in all major projection systems, Huber will have better rate stats than Sweeney for 2008. Actually, Huber's projections for 2007 were only slightly worse than Sweeney's, although skewed by playing time.

Let's face it: Sweeney is going to turn 35 next season, and he hasn't looked good the last couple years. I am more optimistic about Huber (or even Shealy) becoming a productive hitter than I am about Sweeney. Throw in the fact that we don't dare put him in the field, and all told I'd rather save the roster spot.

by Moose Tacos on Oct 29, 2007 9:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

going to write the same thing
Huber, at the very least, should be able to be on the field all year, which is not something we can say for Sweeney.

Not that it is a zero-sum game, but I'd prefer the $300,000-500,000 go to our draft pick.  I think it would be a better investment, and it will put us closer to emulating the Detroit model when it comes to signing draft picks.

by marbotty on Oct 29, 2007 10:04 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you saw the season finale
Letting Huber "on the field" at all seems like a frightening proposition--Billy looked Gold Glovish in left compared to Huber.  And having Huber or Brazell penciled in at DH on opening day would make me think the off-season was even more futile than if it was Sweeney.

by CentralChamps2009 on Oct 29, 2007 1:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by on the field, I meant DH
Unfortunately, I can't comment on Huber's performance during the season finale, as I didn't see it.  

However, it was only the first or second time he actually started a game at the ML level all year.  It very easily could have been nerves.

Even if he truly is that bad out there, I don't think anyone is really expecting him to do much other than spot-start at 1B and LF and act primarily as DH.  I'd love to see him catching again, but that probably won't be happening.

by marbotty on Oct 30, 2007 3:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had field level seats for that last game.
It certainly "felt" like Sweeney's last game.  He had three different tributes during the game.  Emil Brown, zero tributes.

Two things stick out from that game.  

Huber looked like a fan in LF.  He badly misplayed two of the three balls that I remember being hit towards him.  Huber would need to OPS around .900 to make up for his defense.

The other memory, Nunez was amazing.  Lights out amazing.

I also had a small "talk" with Craig Brazell before the game and he signed my cap.  This was pretty cool.

by James Quinn on Oct 30, 2007 11:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is a reason Huber hasn't gotten a shot
...from two different front office administrations.  He can't field a position, any position.  From everything I've read, heard and seen he is an absolute hack in the field at catcher, 1B and in the OF.  While I would give him a chance nonetheless because I think what a player does with the bat is 10 times more important than what he does in the field (at least at a corner position), there are very, very few GM's and managers who agree with me.  When you have zero defensive skills and you are not a top hitting prospect, it is hard to get a good shot in the majors at a corner position.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Oct 30, 2007 12:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
I agree that there has to be a reason for the substantial gap between our opinion of Huber and that of the  front offices. Still, if it's just a question of Huber or Sweeney, defense can be left completely out of the equation. I don't think Sweeney can hit anymore, and I think of a roster spot as being a valuable commodity, so I'd rather not use one on Sweeney, regardless of the price.

by Moose Tacos on Oct 30, 2007 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JQ = Amazing
I think we need to get you a Sunday/Monday slot for front page diaries - this was very well written. (Of course, I'm not objective, because I generally agree with your opinions [Fukudome!])

There is no way, after this years' press meltdown (including shooting pellets at areporter's eyeball), and his trend toward lower numbers, there is no way he'll be back, at least until he clears wavers.

by Cleveland on Oct 29, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Cleveland
I'm glad that some people find my droppings interesting.  

Just remember to only trust me so far.  It isn't like I really know what I am talking about.

by James Quinn on Oct 29, 2007 1:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bye
Let the Emil era end.

He was a good value when he was cheap, but $4 million is way too much to spend on him.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 29, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually
You're right. He's just outside the Top 50. Hard to believe, but true. He's just behind Steve Balboni.
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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 29, 2007 1:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually do believe it
The guy got us 80 RBI for two straight years. He's no A-Rod, but people are way more down on him than I would think reason would dictate.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Dec 12, 2007 7:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No problem.
I'm glad RR is so open to outside droppings.

Baseball is the only hobby I refused to give up when I went back to school.    Writing about the team is one of my favorite forms of procrastination.  

by James Quinn on Oct 29, 2007 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please put him out of our misery
The only silver lining is that while he isn't worth $4.5M, we can afford him.  I don't think Emil's one-year salary is going to keep us from signing anyone else.  I still don't see how he fits on the roster.  If he stays, who goes?  Jason Smith?  I'd be fine with that, but who is the backup SS?  German?
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 6:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweeney at $1,000,000
makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than Brown at 4 or 5 million.

by loyal2s dad on Dec 11, 2007 6:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure
Believe me, I do not think that the Royals should offer Brown arbitration, but if he were to clear waivers and come back to the Royals I'd prefer him to Sweeney, who can do nothing but DH. Even if he stays healthy and decides to come back for a minimum $500K or $1 mil, he can barely play first base.  Unless Butler can miraculously find a position by the end of spring training, all Sweeney would do is take valuable at-bats away from him at the DH spot.  

I like Sweeney a lot, and he deserves a MLB job if he wants it but he just does not fit with this Royals team.

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 11, 2007 6:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard to say which hitter is better
Sweeney or Brown.  Both are declining.  Sweeney is obviously older and declining more quickly.  I sure didn't like what I saw from Sweeney in 2007.  My gut says that Brown would be the better hitter in 2008.  And Brown has more usefulness in that he can play an outfield position.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 7:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If...
Brown had a platoon partner in LF (like Gload), I might see bringing him back--but not at $5 mil.  But I'd rather take an outfield of Guillen/DeJesus/Teahen, all three of whom we can trust to put in 150 games a season, than keep Brown.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2007 6:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and maybe everyone's favorite Huber
can be one of the 4th OFers... i'd take that

still, they're the royals, and you never know whats gonna happen. i sorta expect a bizarre re-upping with Emil

by royalsreview on Dec 11, 2007 7:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep
If you want a platoon partner who can hit lefties, Kevin Mench is available and is probably cheaper.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2007 8:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad GMDM doesn't agree...
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/399662.html

Brown > Mench?  I dunno.  Similar lines, and I think that if what you say is true--that Mench would be cheaper--then we should be pursuing him.  (Although really, we probably don't need either.)

by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2007 11:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5 bench spots
When talking about who we would like to have on the team, we must remember that there are at most 5 bench spots

C - Tupman or Philips
1B/DH - Shealy or Gload (with the other starting)
UI - German
UO - Gathright
?? - ???

So who takes that last bench spot?  Positionally, it seems like we need another utility infielder.  German will get significant PT backing up Grudz and Gordon.  Don't we need someone who can actually play SS to back up Pena?  The above bench already has 3 guys who can play the OF in Gathright, Gload and German, but only one utility IFer.  Frankly, I'd rather have Gathright as the #4 OFer and use the last bullpen spot for UI who can play SS.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 7:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It may not even be that
This assumes the Royals go with an 11-person pitching staff.  As far as I know, they went most of 2007 with a 12-person staff.  I don't know if Hillman plans on changing that up at all or not.  For all we know, what you listed could be the 2008 bench, period.

That being said, I think you're right.  With Gload, Gathright, and German, the last thing we need is another OFer (and having Gload and German actually makes Gathright even more expendable).

by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2007 7:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

12-man pitching staff
I think we only went to a 12-man staff when injuries hit.  You go to a 12-man staff when your bullpen gets thin.  I don't think our bullpen is thin at all now with:

Soria
Yabuta
Gobble
Peralta
Bale
Nunez/Buckner/Musser/Braun

But, if we do have a 12-man staff, then there really is no room for Brown.  If Brown is on the 25-man roster, who gets the boot?  Gathright?  Not only would that be stupid, but he's out of options.

Long story short, I think we'll go with an 11-man staff and hopefully Brown won't get the last bench spot.  I sure hope it isn't Jason Smith either.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 7:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still lots of moves to be made
Its a bit early to speculate on 25 man roster formulations, I think Dayton has a lot of moves left to make.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2007 8:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 25-man roster considerations
...are certainly important to making tender/non-tender decisions.  I'm sure Moore is taking that into account.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 9:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever happend to
...the decision time articles on De La Rosa and Duckworth?  We're running out of time.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 7:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If there's room on the 40-man roster
(and I think there is) then I'd keep Duckworth too.  He made 550K last year.  He'll make no more than 750K this year.  I'd keep him for bullpen depth, as long as he's not out of options.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 8:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Non-Tender Emil
I was at the game a year or two year ago where he plowed over DDJ and sent him to the DL for a few weeks. That was enough for me. I know that this is spotty but after seeing him on 50-60 televised games an in person 5-8 times his defense is worse than his statistics. Late breaks, unnecessary dives, and over-pursuit when he does get a jump on the ball.

If possible I would like to keep Duckworth especially if De La Rosa is kept and Greinkie is in the rotation. Someone has to go 2-4 innings when De La Rosa, Davies, or some other back of the rotation guy doesn't have it. Duckworth seemed consistent in that role last year and he can even make an emergency start or two if/when injuries pile up.

by Skirra on Dec 11, 2007 8:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please, Dayton, do not offer Emil...
...a contract.

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by Royals Nation on Dec 11, 2007 10:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even If A-Meal
Goes to another team and has a good year, it still wouldn't mean we were wrong to let him go. As with all human endeavors, results may vary. I will say , however, his role needs to be filled and I don't know who in our current scheme will do that.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2007 10:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is his role?
What is his role that needs to be filled?  His role last year was starting LFer.  That role has been filled.  The role of 4th OFer is held down ably by Gathright who should have a higher OBP but lower SLG than Brown.  Given the nature of the 5 bench spots, I don't see a role for him on this team in 2008.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 11:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brown, In A
Pinch, could adequately man LF or RF and gave us some "power" off the bench. I don't see anyone filling that role on the proposed 25 man roster.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2007 12:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except
I don't know if we can really expect power from Brown anymore.  The projections from Bill James and ZIPS both have Brown with a SLG under .400.  Gload can do better than that.  Perhaps Huber could do better than that.  Gathright wouldn't do better than that power-wise, but perhaps his superior OBP would make up for it.  I see Brown as easily replaceable.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 8:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was mostly my point
...that Brown is easily replaceable.  I just offered Gload as an example of who would replace Brown in the role of a fill-in corner outfielder with a little bit of power.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 12, 2007 7:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brown Was A
RH COF power bat; in his good years he was Guillen-Lite. Since we identified RH power as a need, even losing Brown detracts from that equation. Gload is LH, not as "powerful", and was already here. Huber might fill the role at the plate, but out in LF he looked like his shoestrings were tied together.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2007 8:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brown and power
Since we identified RH power as a need, even losing Brown detracts from that equation.

Brown only detracts from the Royals RH power if he is both right handed and a power hitter.  He is one of those things.  He is no longer the other.  He projects to have a SLG under .400.  By any definition, that's not good or even decent power.

Gload is LH, not as "powerful"

Yes, he's LH.  That's fine with me.  It's not like the Royals need RH bats so badly that any right hander has value.  A decent LH bat on this (or any) team is worth more than a poor RH bat.  Gload's SLG is and will be higher than Moore's.  So, in any meaningful sense, he has more power.

Huber might fill the role at the plate, but out in LF he looked like his shoestrings were tied together.

And how is that different from Brown?  Ok, that's an exaggeration, but Brown is at least below average defensively.

Brown is easily replaceable in his marginal bench role.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 9:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whether Or Not
Brown actually fulfilled the role of RH power bat, that was the role he occupied. Merely replacing Brown with Guillen is a big upgrade, but it still doesn't fill Brown's presumed role. The fact that Brown no longer performed the function for which he was employed in no way negates the need. I hope we can find an upgrade as easily as you assume we can. As far as letting Brown go, I'm all for it.
I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2007 9:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RH power off the bench
We acquire RH power for the lineup.  I don't know if we'll have much RH power on the bench.

Tupman
German
Gathright
Shealy (when he's not starting)
????

German is a pretty good RH bench bat.  I don't know that the bench needs power, per se.  I think good overall hitting is more important.  We could get RH power for the last bench spot, but I think we need utility IFer for that spot.  Unfortunatley, I think it will be Jason Smith.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 9:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now That's Power
And I don't care if he straddles the plate; maybe he should.
I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2007 10:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jason Smith's approach at the plate should be
...lean in.  On every pitch.  Lean in and get plunked.  At least he'd have a decent OBP.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 10:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That Whole Plate-Straddling
Stance makes the Nutty Buddy sound like a real good idea.
I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

by philofthenorth on Dec 13, 2007 12:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just make him the emergency catcher
...and outfit him with the "tools of ignorance" every time he goes up to bat.  If he's truly committed to the Royals, he'd be willing to take some 90+ mph fastballs off the padding (Nutty Buddy included).
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2007 12:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True Grit
I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

by philofthenorth on Dec 13, 2007 12:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know...
The more I think of it, a platoon with Teahen might not be a bad idea.

2007--

Teahen vs RHP - .800 OPS
Emil vs LHP - .823 OPS

by doublestix on Dec 11, 2007 11:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Emil
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather he be out of here, but if the above happened I'd be fine with it.

by doublestix on Dec 11, 2007 11:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad idea
Teahen is just 25 years old.  It is too early to give up on his development and play him part-time.  He needs to play everyday.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2007 11:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly
Why waste at bats on a older maxed out talent (I use the word loosely) outfielder like Brown, when you can play a much younger, upside guy like Teahen.  For that matter, why waste your 4th outfield spot (which is likely to get 100 games and 300+ ABs) on a guy like Brown.  Play one of the young guys before letting him play out is final days stealing time from someone who might actually help the club over the next 5-7 years.
I'd rather be watching baseball.

by Sisquatch Kids on Dec 11, 2007 11:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who are these kids?
People keep talking about all these young OFs we have waiting in the wings that will be hurt by keeping Brown. Who are they?

All I've seen is Shane Costa and a bunch of guys who look like him. And if that is it, give me 400 ABs of Emil Brown.

"The Future" is still in A ball right now. Teahen's season in the OF last year left me underwhelmed; I'd sure like to have a reliable fallback if his power numbers (and I use the term loosely) continue as they have for his entire career, save half a season in 2006. And if we need Teahen in the lineup, we certainly will have ABs available at 1B.

We have to have guys who can hit lefties. Gordon, Teahen, DeJesus, Gathwright, Gload, even Costa and Maier- all lefties. Sanders and Sweeney are gone. There are a lot of atbats in this lineup for someone who hits lefties.

And I don't buy all the talk about Brown's defense. Fans remember seeing what they want to see. Stats tell us what's closer to true. He's no gold glove, but he's not the liability everyone is crying about.

by Big Guy on Dec 12, 2007 12:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brown is poor and getting worse
Guys like Huber, Gathright, Maier and Lubanski at least have some upside potential.  Teahen is, of course, much better than Brown and at 25 he still has significant upside potential.  Gathright is likely better than Brown right now and could still develop into something a bit better.  Huber would likely be better than Brown in 2008.  Brown is an old, declining player, hardly worthy of playing time.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 12:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Emil
at this point just doesn't belong on the Royals. By the way, Brazell signed with a Japanese team, so scratch him from the glut of DH/1B the Royals have accrued with Shealy/Gload/Huber/Possibly Sweeney. Given his performance as a full-time outfielder, you definitely could say Emil was serviceable. However, he isn't worth 4 million to begin with, and no other team will want to pay that kind of money to a 33-year-old outfielder who hasn't put up acceptable numbers in two seasons. At this point in his career, he would be best utilized as half of a platoon.

Even if he does latch on somewhere, the slow starts have been painful. For the last three years, he's trudged through April and May, then heated up, but was still too unattractive to net anything at the trade deadline. If you ask me, $4M can be better spent towards adding a solid reliever, as Greinke and Riske are both gone from that role now.

by MexiTough on Dec 12, 2007 10:41 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for re-posting this,
I hoped to get more of these decision time diaries written but life was just too busy.  FWIW, I do have some good stuff up at RCT now about the Jayhawks.  And I did some good work in my non-baseball related life.

I think the Royals will tender Emil Brown now that Fukudome and Jones have been signed.  And that really isn't such a bad thing.

The Emil Brown era lives on!

by James Quinn on Dec 12, 2007 1:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Emil Brown has been non-tendered
Thank god.  Old, declining, expensive, no room on the roster.  Good riddance.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 1:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should A-Meal Become
Available to us for, say $1M/1 year, should/would we bite? For less? At any price?
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2007 1:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's worth the money
...but I don't see how he fits on the roster.  Five bench spots.  Is their room for Brown?
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 4:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Opps, I guess I was wrong.
Letting him go was the right decision I think.  I probably am one of the few Royals fans who will miss him at all.

by James Quinn on Dec 12, 2007 5:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will miss
...Emil Brown of 2005 and 2006.  I will not miss the Emil Brown of 2007.  Unfortunately the Emil Brown of 2008 and beyond will look much more like the 2007 version than prior versions.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2007 5:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Only Thing
A-Meal might get better at is his aim.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2007 5:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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