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Royals Insider: John Buck

With Christmas festivities having been spread throughout the families of the Royals Review faithful, I've decided to take advantage of the minor dry spell in recent blog posts and begin a diary of mine own.  (The "dry spell", of course, refers to a general lack of quantity in posts, not in quality!)

I would like to begin a new segment of Royals Review called Royals Insider.  The name might sound ambiguous; thus, why don't I describe it?

Each week, I will analyze each position on the Kansas City Royals depth chart from our current 40-man roster, beginning with catcher (led by John Buck) and concluding with designated hitter (led by Billy Butler).  I will provide a short analysis on the players' history, recent accomplishments with special attention paid to their 2007 results, followed by 2008 predictions for that particular player.  Because approximately 13 weeks remain until the regular season, I will only choose certain players to analyze extensively here at Royals Review.  Other players can be viewed at my website, The Royal Treatment.

Accompanied with the short biography, summary, and analysis will be my 2008 statistical projection, based solely - nothing more and nothing less - on the wavelengths flowing in the sanctity of my baseball-infested mind!  Yes, I've already posted these projections on one other Royals website, but why not CC NYRoyal, JQ, & literally hundreds more in on the excitement?

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First on the organizational 40-man depth chart is the position of catcher, occupied by three men:  John Buck, Miguel Olivo, and Matt Tupman.  Traditional baseball thought dictates that catchers should mostly be judged by ability to block baseballs, relate to their pitchers and understand their pitches and tendencies, and generally "call a good game".  Offense is usually secondary when analyzing the game of a catcher.  A .240/.310/.400 hitting catcher can easily maintain service time at the MLB for many years.  In fact, a .210/.280/.370 hitting catcher can usually tread the thin line between AAA backstop and MLB backup for a fairly extensive period of time (see: 30-somethings Paul Bako, Kelly Stinnett, and RR favorite Jason/Pepe LaRue/LaPoo).  As long as the catcher has extensive experience behind the plate (usually dating back to the draft), can communicate well with a big-league pitching staff and "call a good game" effectively, 95% of their job is completed.  However, I beg to slightly differ with that fairly dated philosophy.  In this offensive-heavy era and especially in our division, which features not only impressive offensive catchers but strong offensive teams in general, offense is generally regarded as necessary at virtually every corner, including catchers and middle infielders.  Offensive-heavy catchers are more common than they used to be, what with well above average offensive catchers like Victor Martinez, Jorge Posada, Joe Mauer, Ivan Rodriguez, and Michael Barrett remaining in the scene.  If one position is well below average or near replacement level.

That brings us to our incumbent starter and projected frontline 2008 backstop, Mr. Johnathan Richard Buck, born in the self-described fossil fish capital of the world, Kemmerer, Wyoming.


John Buck seeks to improve on a promising 2007.

After arriving in the Carlos Beltran trade in June 2004, many Royals fans were eagerly anticipating the next Mike MacFarlane - a lukewarm average but high power player who could catch well into the next decade.  By 2005, Buck had emerged as one of the leaders of the team, and generally related well with the pitching staff.  From 2004-06, he showed improvement in those traditional ooh's and aah's of a catcher - understanding of his pitchers, ability to block pitches and - you guessed it - "call a good game".  Unfortunately, Buck treated K.C. fans with decidedly below average offensive production that usually included one or two months of promise, only to be surrounded by a virtual black hole.

G.M. Dayton Moore lured in Jason LaRue from the Cincinnati Reds to provide competition in the Spring.  Buck responded well, using a leg-trigger many strong sluggers use to gain timing and leverage on the ball, hitting .297/.409/.514 in the Cactus League.  He then proceed to set the baseball diamond afire in late Spring, stroking the ball to the tune of a .320/.426/.680 attack in April, with a .387 BABIP, 10 extra base hits, and a 198 OPS+.  For reasons still vague, then-Royals manager continued to platoon Buck with Jason LaRue throughout the month, starting him for 11 games.  Bell then mysteriously decided to cease Buck's leg trigger that helped him gain so much success in the month.  Buck's batting average in May plummeted to .239, and then dropped to .196 for June.  The power remained (roughly a .500 SLG in that time-span), but then disappeared almost completely in the final three months.  Buck's 2007 trend showed that he increasingly became a liability at the plate, while Jason LaRue, an even more damning liability, continued to receive 2/5 of the playing time.  Buck struggled hitting finesse pitching and steadily lost bat control throughout the season, as indicated by his very poor situational and 2-out hitting when the season concluded.

Hopefully in 2008, John Buck can rebound and show the raw power and plate discipline he demonstrated in April through June of 2007.  Despite the fact that he'll likely never hit above .250 in a big-league season, he can counter it with the qualities mentioned above, not to mention those qualities old-school analysts love to pinpoint in a catcher.

Attached below are my predictions for how J.B.'s 2008 will shake up:

PROJECTED 2008 STATISTICS:

GS:  116
AB:  434
H:  102
AVG:  .235
OBP:  .318
SLG:  .452
OPS:  .770
HR: 18
RBI: 55
R:  52
1B:  60
2B:  23
3B:  1
TB:  181
BB:  45
SO:  97
SB: 0
CS:  1
OPS+:  99

ASSETS

  • Improving power and plate discipline (BA/OBP split last three seasons:  +45, +61, +76)
  • Ability to block pitches (3 PB's in '07)
  • Ability to hit fly balls limits GIDP and strengthens power
  • FLAWS
  • Overall handling of bat - 2-out/situational hitting, 2 out hitting (.143/.244/.277 with 2-outs in '07)
  • Ability to hit finesse and groundball pitchers (.638 OPS vs. finesse, .624 OPS vs. groundball)
  • Arm strength, ability to gun baserunners (20.2 CS% in '07)
  • Ability to hit left-handed pitching (.184 BABip in '07)
  • OVERALL 2008 TREND: Considerably upward

    Also, I've included several more indicates of where I believe John Buck's future is headed.

    On-field performance:  Mostly-offensive based expectations of player
    Injury contingency:  Chances of player spending at least 15 days on D.L.
    Whereabouts:  Chances of departing our organization
    Job allocation:  How the player will most likely be implemented, assuming he remains healthy and in our organization.

    On-field performance:
    Significant dropoff from 2007:  5%
    Repeats 2007 form:  65%
    Power surge, true breakthrough (.255/.330/.480):  30%

    Injury contingency:
    Injured for 15 days or more:  5%

    Whereabouts:
    Chances traded before Opening Day:  10%

    Job allocation:
    Starting catcher (80-90%):  10%
    Starting catcher (65-80%):  65%
    Platoon with Olivo:  20%
    Backup/reserve:  5%

    As a fan of John Buck, I believe he will benefit from increased playing time, but still won't receive the 500+ AB's some Royals fans would like to see, even after the acquisition of Miguel Olivo.  As he enters his age 28 season, Buck will show marginal improvement in plate discipline from 2007 and will slug more doubles than 2007.  Hopefully, the leg-trigger that facilitated his bat at the beginning of 2007 will help him accomplish more in what I believe could be a respectable, steady career as an everyday big-league catcher.

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    Feel free to post your 2008 predictions for John Buck below!

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    Johnny Buck
    Good analysis.  I think Buddy may have had Buck go away from the Leg Kick, because he was having trouble timing it when the pitcher was out of the stretch.  However after a couple months of sucking most of the time, it might have been a good idea to go back to it.  Sucking half the time is better than sucking most of the time.  Anyway, Buddy's not here and maybe it's not fair to blame him (we do have a hitting coach).

    Anyway..I don't really understand the Olivo signing, but I think ultimately they will end up splitting time along the same lines as Buck and LaRue with better production.  I wish Buck would get the vast majority of the playing time, so we could finally see what we have (or don't have), but I have a feeling we will be in this same spot next year.    

    by Stook on Dec 29, 2007 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

    Good stuff
    Look forward to the rest. Why the hell did Trey Hillman send Buck to steal in your projection?!?!

    For comparison's sake:

    John Buck
    Age 23: .235/.280/.424 79 OPS+
    Age 24: .242/.287/.389 79 OPS+
    Age 25: .245/.306/.396 80 OPS+
    Age 26: .222/.308/.429 90 OPS+

    Mike MacFarlane
    Age 24: .265/.332/.393 102 OPS+
    Age 25: .223/.263/.299  59 OPS+
    Age 26: .255/.306/.380  93 OPS+

    At age 27 Mac responded with his best rate season ever, hitting .277/.330/.506 with 13 home runs in 84 games.

    I don't know if that means anything at all. I'll predict Buck hits .240/.305/.430 15 HR 50 RBI

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    by RoyalsRetro on Dec 29, 2007 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

    i love the analysis
    everything that could be said about john buck was said in this post, although more detail (however repetitive) could have been given to the larue debacle.  buck deserves the chance to be a starting catcher in the bigs, meaning 120-135 starts.  the signing of olivo, a good offensive catcher in his own right, hurts this opportunity for buck.  i actually like the olivo signing for depth's sake, but i do think it will have an effect on buck's output.  i'm predicting .255/.300/.410 w/ 9 homers, 45 rbi and a 28% cs.  i think he will likely only start about 90-100 games.  however, i wish him to start 125...which would bump those power numbers up and likely the average numbers down, knowing buck's month by month streakiness.
    Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.

    by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Dec 30, 2007 5:43 AM EST reply actions  

    Great stuff...
    we now know all there is to know about John Buck except how many nose hairs he has.  I would like to see him get 130 starts with 10 or 20 more at DH.  I think Hillfire will be much more flexible about using talent than our former manager.    I am a little more optimistic that kcis (see above) my numbers for Buck next year would be .275/330/450 w/22 homers, 60 RBI and hopefully 20% cs.  

    Again, great stuff...more please...

    by grudz69 on Dec 30, 2007 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

    My Buck prediction for 2008
    .235/.315/.435

    That is a small improvement, which is roughly typical for a 27 year old player.  I think he is an above average catcher, but no better than that.  That is still quite valuable, but I'm happy we have a good backup.

    I probably disagree with you.

    by Scott McKinney on Dec 30, 2007 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

    Sounds reasonable
    Hi RRetro, I think these projections are a bit optimistic, but certainly not unreasonable.

    The thing about Royals' fans and Buck, for some reason they always seem sure that he is about to break out and become a good offensive player.  The thing is, he has been basically the same player at the plate for over three years now.  Why do so many of the same fans hold onto the Buck optimism while at the same time abandon players like Emil Brown, Jorge De la Rosa, Ryan Shealy, Mike Wood, MacDougall, etc. so much more quickly?

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Buck add 50 points to his OPS in 2008, but at the same time I see no strong reason to expect this to happen.  I guess I have just accepted Buck for what he is.  A very average catcher who neither helps nor hurts the team.  And if Olivo gets 200 at bats next year, I don't think it will hurt the team at all because Buck and Olivo are close to twins in the batter's box.  Plus, 200 Olivo at bats almost have to be better than 200 LaRue at bats.  I think BuckX400/OlivoX250 adds about a win more to the team over BuckX500/TupmanX150.  And as I understand those SABR economic guys an additional win costs about $2M, Olivo's salary.

    by James Quinn on Dec 30, 2007 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

    Same player over three years?
    The thing is, he has been basically the same player at the plate for over three years now.

    I don't think the stats support that:

    Age 24: .242/.287/.389 79 OPS+
    Age 25: .245/.306/.396 80 OPS+
    Age 26: .222/.308/.429 90 OPS+

    A 79 OPS+ catcher is not "basically the same" as a 90 OPS+ catcher.  And, while I wouldn't expect great improvement, don't players usually improve from age 26 to 27?  So, shouldn't one expect some improvement in 2008 over 2007?

    JQ, I've seen you do this for multiple players.  You look at the statistical record of a 25/26/27 year old player and say that the player has "proven himself to be X".  You give no allowance for the player's age and the fact that he should improve, particularly when he's shown recent improvement.  Should we recognize where on the developmental curve Buck currently is?

    I probably disagree with you.

    by Scott McKinney on Dec 30, 2007 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

    I look at those numbers,
    and I see stagnation, not growth.  I think OPS' of .704, .676, .702 and .737 qualify as "basically the same."  They all fall in the low end of average.  I hope Buck gets better, that would be great, but I don't see any strong reason to expect that to happen at this point.  It is okay if we do not agree.

    by James Quinn on Dec 30, 2007 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

    Steady improvement
    Over the last 3 years, the OPS have been .676, .702 and .737.  That is constant, steady improvement.  And no, .676 and .737 aren't basically the same.  So when you have constant improvement over 3 years and a player is going from age 26 to 27, shouldn't one be surprised if the player doesn't continue to improve?
    I probably disagree with you.

    by Scott McKinney on Dec 30, 2007 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

    Buck seems to be learning to hit for more power
    we need a manager who can accept the low averages and not worry about it

    an extra single or two a week isn't worth ruining his power

    by Freneau on Dec 30, 2007 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

    Buck's struggles with 2-outs & RISP
    More or less is a remnant of a greater 'problem' - his lack of bat control.  Coupled with his raw power, it's a flaw that probably shouldn't be taken seriously.  I'm of the belief that hitters who strike out less and hit for better 'contact' tend to hit better with 2 outs.  Of course, this contact can or cannot be offset by actual power.  In Buck's case, it wasn't in a pretty large sample size last season.  It's fairly arbitrary and random....so yeah, I see your point.
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    by Royals Nation on Dec 30, 2007 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

    During the first half of
    last season, Buck seemed to be more patient and selective in his at-bats. The two previous years, he would always swing at the first pitch and if he had two strikes, he was basically already struck out. I think that he possibly wasn't "being aggressive enough" to play everyday and just wanted to play more, so he complied. Enough of my conspiracy theory, on to my Buck predictions. I'd say if he plays 125-135, we could see .260, 21 HR, 60 RBI. I agree with RR that the caught stealing percentage has too much to do with the pitcher to really have any meaning, but great analysis. I was hoping someone would do this.

    by royaldaddy on Dec 30, 2007 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

    Buck's BB's by month:
    April:  9 BB, 61 PA (.426 OBP)
    May:  8 BB, 79 PA (.329 OBP)
    June:  5 BB, 65 PA (.277 OBP)
    July:  4 BB, 60 PA (.283 OBP)
    August:  6 BB, 67 PA (.269 OBP)
    September:  4 BB, 67 PA (.269 OBP)

    It would certainly appear that his BB totals diminished from early in the season.  I wonder if they compile monthly data on P/PA (pitches per plate discipline)?

    Could the diminishing numbers merely represent a 'regression to the mean' or an indication that Buck was trying to be more aggressive as the season wore on?

    I seem to recall several Buddy Bell quotes throughout the season, where he shows his frustration about our hitters not 'being aggressive enough' at the plate.

    I, for one, believe there's something to this theory.  I'm glad Bell is gone - I wonder how much, if any, of a long-term negative impact he had on our hitters.

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    by Royals Nation on Dec 30, 2007 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

    I'd love to blame buddy
    there's no way of knowing, but I sure would like to

    by Freneau on Dec 30, 2007 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

    Thanks, everyone, for the kind words
    I will probably move onto first base sometime late next week.  Should I do Ryan Shealy or Ross Gload?  Shealy's more of a conundrum...I think most people know what we have in Gload.

    Yeah, that's right.

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    by Royals Nation on Dec 30, 2007 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

    de la rosa
    At some point, you got to do de la rosa. That dude started out like fire last year, but then totally fell off the face of the earth. Why does he tease us like that?

    Good stuff on Buck compadre.

    by gayman on Dec 31, 2007 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

    Kemmerer, Wyoming
    Also consider themselves "The Gateway To The West". Wasn't that already covered with the Arch in StL?

    by MileHighKCfan on Dec 31, 2007 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

    When I was in Pittsburgh, PA
    I was really stunned to see them refer to themselves as the "Gateway to the West"!

    by jbrocato on Dec 31, 2007 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

    KC's Original Name Was
    Possum Trot, I believe, but Westport is still a neighborhood on the MO side, and I believe that was always considered where the West truly began. Suck it , St. Louis.
    I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

    by philofthenorth on Jan 1, 2008 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

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