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Early Nominees for the 2007 Andy Sisco Award

While certainly stripped of the romance of Cubs of Red Sox fandom, following the Royals means being preconditioned to disappointment. As Christopher Ricks once said of Philip Larkin, disappointment is one of the saddest words in our commonplace speech because unlike other dis words (disagree, disrespect, disassociate, dissatify etc.) we don't even use the original word in the original sense. No one talks about how appointed they are with Dayton Moore's trades, sunday dinner, or the latest album from Norah Jones. We only know disappointment now.

Thus, in a stroke of sheer genius "daveyork" created the Mark Quinn/Andy Sisco Award in his Royals Fans Top Ten Off-Season Moments diary back in the depths of winter. Once again, I'll let his definition of what the Mark Quinn/Andy Sisco Award signifies:

One player who fans have hope for in the upcoming season will horribly regress and live on only potential for the next season - The Mark Quinn/Andy Sisco award.

Just like Mark Quinn did in the early 00s (20 HRs in 2000, out of the Bigs a season and a half later) and Andy Sisco more recently (ERA jump from 3.11 to 7.10) the Royals always have a player who fans get excited about, believe is a valuable cog in the next good Royals outfit who simply turns into a pumpkin. In Sisco's case, the results were devastating. Few pitching staffs can handle having their best reliever turn into their worst for seemingly no reason, especially when you're already awful. As Sisco's ERA more than doubled, the Royals continued their historical bad season, eventually allowing 971 runs, the 21st highest total in baseball history. Sisco's second season with the Royals was so bad he was traded to the White Sox this December. Despite some predictions that "Gload will Explode", it was a ignominious end to the Sisco Era in Kansas City

Last month we took the time to name the early candidates for the Mark Quinn portion of the award, which is handed out to the most disappointing position player. The nominees are Esteban German, David DeJesus and Ryan Shealy, with strong public sentiment that Teahen is a candidate as well. (You can read that story here.) Without further preamble, lets take a look at the nominees for the 2007 Andy Sisco Award:



1. Luke Hudson: Hudson became something of a fan favorite last season while showing flashes of competence during the Royals glorious stretch of .470 baseball after the depths of April and May. The rare Royal hurler with a winning record (7-6), Hudson started 15 games for the Royals and posted a 5.12 ERA in 102 innings. So why do people think he's good? Well, quite famously, Hudson allowed 10 earned runs in one third of an inning against the Indians. Thanks to that classic meltdown, Hudson's ERA rose from 4.65 to 6.39, effectively ending his miraculous quest to be the lone Royal to finish with a sub 5.00 ERA. Despite a handful of strong starts to finish the season, he could only get back down to 5.12. Through June, Hudson had only pitched 12 innings, so lets take a look at his monthly spilts:

Hudson's Late Season Monthly Splits

July- 3.16 ERA (25.2 IP)
August- 6.48 ERA (33.1 IP)
Sept/Oct- 4.02 ERA (31.1 IP)

Why is he a candidate for a Sisco? As Royals fans we seem to do this every off-season, we latch on to some random and only see what we'd like to see. No different with Hudson, if you take away the outing in which he was a batting practice pitcher, he was slightly above league average! Before his collapse at the Jake, Hudson had made 31 starts, appeared as a reliever in 17 games and pitched 189.1 innings, for an ERA of 4.85. Thats vaguely OK, but hardly worth being excited about. In 2005, his age 28 season, Hudson posted a 6.28 ERA with the Reds, good for an ERA+ of 70. Like essentially every other Royals pitcher since 1994, Hudson doesn't strike many guys out (K/9's: 2005- 5.63, 2006- 5.65) he relies on not walking people and getting his ground balls to be effective. In 2006 he did indeed avoid the walks, lifting his K/BB ratio from a disastrous 1.06 to 1.68. Has he improved his skill-set or was he fluky good? That kind of jump -- especially considering the league shift -- probably represents some bright line of change, I'm just not sure how far that line has been adavanced. Pitchers like Hudson walk on a thin sheet of ice which can collapse rapidly and without warning. PECOTA considers 2006 Hudson's career year forecasting that he never approaches his 2006 value (which was pretty blah) ever again. Overvalued by Royals fans due to his team context? Check. Not very good in the first place? Check. High odds for a regression in 2007? Check. PECOTA sees another season in the low 5.00s (5.13) with strong odds that he's closer to 6.00.

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2. Joe Nelson: Last season while flashier Royal stoppers struggled to get people out, a 31 year old Joe Nelson emerged out of nowhere to be quietly effective. Nelson threw up goose-eggs in his first 6 appareances (5.2 innings) and owned a nifty 1.11 ERA as late as August 4th. Despite some ugly August innings, Nelson finished the season with a 4.43 ERA, shutting down the Tigers for 2.2 innings in the Royals 10-8 victory which ended the season.

Why is he a candidate for a Sisco? Just in terms of sheer time, for most of the year Nelson had a really low ERA, and as with Hudson, thanks to his team context, he looked like a godsend. Nonetheless, this perception is a function of how baseball statistics are shown on TV and online from game 1, allowing hot starts to obscure later stretches of bad play. As the league saw more of Nelson and Nelson's arm exerted more effort, results declined. In August he allowed an 8.49 ERA in 11.2 innings, this following a 1.69 ERA in July. So who is the real Joe Nelson? Probably the guy the Royals ended up with, a short-innings guy with a ERA 4.84, slightly below average against the league, even more so against fellow relievers who have a lower ERA threshold. Nelson is no spring chicken, doesn't have overpowering stuff that only needs to be utilized effectively (see MacDougal, Mike) and the scouting report on him is out, especially in the AL Central.


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3. Todd Wellemeyer: The news yesterday was the the Royals re-signed Wellemeyer, completing their off-season of arb-avoidance with a handfull of players. At $635K/1-year Wellemeyer's deal belies his overall status: fringe roster fodder who could be DFAed or sent back into the FA pool at anytime. Part of the large class of guys that GMs are forced to make non-headline grabbing decisions about every day. Is Todd Wellemeyer a useful guy to have around, or is someone out there better? However, for such an embodiement of replacement level, Wellemeyer had a good season last year, posting a 3.63 ERA in 57 innings with the Royals. As he has throughout his career, Wellemeyer can strike people out and had he been on the roster to start the season he may have rivaled Gobble for the pathetically low team strikeout title. If there's one thing you can count on from a former Cub prospect, its an ability to get Ks.

Why is he a candidate for a Sisco? While Wellemeyer struck out 37 batters as a Royal, he also walked 37, not exactly a formula likely to produce future ERAs in the 3.00s. Welly wasn't unearned-run lucky either, allowing just two invisible runs. Rather, Welly was simply pretty good at limiting hits with men on base, especially in scoring position. His RISP line allowed was .222/.350/.256, a line lower than what he allowed even with no one on (.236/.353/.431). Granted, these numbers are his aggregate data, I don't have his split-splits (i.e. splits as a Royal) in front of me, but on the whole, in a limited way the data speaks. So does this:

Wellemeyer ERA+:

2003: 65
2004: 77
2005: 70
2006 (Marlins): 79
2006 (Royals): 133

Which of these numbers is not like the other?

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Breaking Down the Contenders: As with the Quinn Award, determining the ultimate winner will be a subjective matter. I left out Odalis Perez because, well, at this point I don't know what people expect of him. Ditto for Jorge de la Rosa. Moreover, those guys haven't really had good seasons as Royals which is a key component of the spirit of Quinn and Sisco. The obvious elephant in the room is prodigal control pitcher Zach/k Greinke. Still, Greinke's candidacy has serious problems. As with just about everyone else in the organization, it isn't wholly clear what the expectations for him are. Think back to Sisco: after 2005 the thinking was "hey, we found this gigantic dude who throws hard and voila he's actually a useful pitcher who will be a key part of our 2006 bullpen". There isn't that level of certainty for Greinke. Greinke didn't pitch last year (mostly) and he hasn't had a good season since 2004. Basically, if you really think about it he's already won the award, with his 2005 season.

On balance, along the true parameters of the Sisco Award, Hudson's the strongest candidate. As a starter he's higher profile than his two middle relief counterparts. More importantly, he's likely to be a bigger part of the Royals attempt to be competent in 2007. Hudson, Nelson and Wellemeyer were all facing the American League for the first time essentially in 2006, and that common thread suggests a basic flukiness to their results. It will be interesting to see if the league adjusts to their material.

A weird effect of having a truly awful staff if that there's no one really left to believe in. Hence, fewer ways to be let down. Nelson dodged a major bullet with the Dotel signing, sparing him an early appointment (theres that word again) at the mythical Closer, a job in which two bad innings can call into question your manliness in the baseball world. Along the same lines, Wellemeyer is the most volatile candidate, he probably has the best chance to be really good as well as the best chance to be DFA'ed mid-season. He'll get more chances over the next five years than Nelson will, but he'll also get released more (obviously). My sense is that a good number of Royals fans think he's pretty good, which he does have a chance to be. He's just never really been good before. Lastly, as with the Quinn nominees, I'm making something of an executive decision by leaving off a perfectly viable candidate who I just happen to believe in. For the Quinn, it was Teahen, for the Sisco, Gobble. On the whole, I think the Royals and their fans know who Gobble is and don't have dreams he'll be anything more grand. He's another low-K guy walking on ice, but as a reliever he can stay upright.

The 2007 Andy Sisco Awards Final Breakdown:

Luke Hudson: 50%
Joe Nelson: 20%
Todd Wellemeyer: 15%
Someone Else: 15%


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Wellemeyer hands down
Hudson's ERA is unlikely to increase by more than a run for 2007. The same goes for Nelson.  

Wellemeyer, however, is a good bet to potentially double his ERA. His peripherals were more or less in line with the rest of his career, which portends disaster for the Righty.

Maybe I misunderstand the award, though.  Does it go to the greatest decline in performance, period, or does it go to the greatest decline in performance relative to expectations?   I don't know that the expectations for any of these guys is pretty high at this point.  

If Meche qualified for a nomination, I think he'd almost certainly win under the second scenario (that being performance vs. expectation.)  

by marbotty on Feb 8, 2007 2:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

While there isn't a category for it
I might nominate Dayton Moore for a Quinn.  I think there's a lot of unwarranted optimism for the team in 2007.  

It's going to take a lot of lucky breaks for the team to be any good this year:

  1. Gordon needs to be in starting lineup opening day, and perform well (This is actually the safest bet, as neither should require much luck, but according to Kaegel not likely to happen.)
  2. Dotel needs to be healthy and regain 2004 form
  3. Meche needs to be healthy and pitch well above his PECOTA
  4. Teahen needs to be healthy and prove 2006 not a fluke
  5. Greinke needs to regain 2004 form.
  6. Perez needs to regain 2004 form.
  7. Sweeney needs to stay healthy.
  8. Sanders needs to be kept off the field.
  9. Berroa needs to regain 2003 form.
  10. There must be production from the catcher position.
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What are the odds of all of those things happening?  What are the odds of half of them happening?  

I'm seeing maybe 2 or 3 of them as being likely (those being 1, 4, 5.)

by marbotty on Feb 8, 2007 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think Rob Neyer would agree with you
I think Dayton came in with a good reputation and has made SO MANY MOVES that there's still alot of unbounded optimism for him. The perception is: Allard was trash, the roster was trash, we NEED pitching. In a way, its probably unintended genius... Moore's signed some pretty obscure/random guys, but its a nice media hit.

We'll see. We'll see.

Still, 2007 is irrelevant as long as the Royals dont lose 115 games.

by royalsreview on Feb 8, 2007 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think the offense is going to be decent
unless GMDM takes his sandbagging to an absurd level and never promotes Gordon/Butler/Huber, etc

the lineup has too many interchangabel parts not to score some runs

the pitching looks no better to me

Meche=Redman

by FlintHillsRoyal on Feb 8, 2007 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate the idea of...
2007 being irrelevant...screw that...go powder blue...88 wins
Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Feb 10, 2007 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The most disappointing thing..
Is that the three candidates we're supposedly "excited" about for this season are a journeyman starting pitcher who posted a 5.12 ERA last season, a 32 year old journeyman reliever, and an ex-prospect who's already failed with two teams.  

Ah, to be a Royals fan...I am disappointed that the potential prospects for disappointment are not greater.

by nycroyal on Feb 8, 2007 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm expecting Gobble and Peralta
to pitch as well as last year.  I will be extremely disappointed if they regress.

I don't know if this makes you feel better.

by marbotty on Feb 8, 2007 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea...
its kinda poetically appropo

but i just didnt feel like there were many other candidates

maybe Odalis, but its still kinda random that he's even on the team

by royalsreview on Feb 8, 2007 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Nelson
gets my vote.  He really hadn't done anything before and is kind of a junk baller pitcher.  At least with, Luke Hudson and Wellemeyer, while their numbers have been ugly at least they have better pure stuff, so the potential to be good for the longterm is greater.  
lordbyronk

by lordbyronk on Feb 8, 2007 3:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

technically speaking
Greinke doesn't fit

but when you consider how much he's been hyped, he might need to be a special, exempt case

if he sucks this year, I'll definitely consider him my Sisco...

by LeoBloom on Feb 8, 2007 4:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts
I am in the small camp that thinks Hudson will actually improve on his 2006 numbers - and if you know how pessimistic I normally am, that says something. My reason is the vastly improved GB to FB ratio that he posted last season. Couple that with a possible improved left side of the infield defensively (Gordon is an upgrade over Teahen and Berroa is going to be more in shape, supposedly)...

A candidate I would feel strongly voting for would be Brian Bannister - but he doesn't really fit the criteria. I just don't see what all the fuss is about him, frankly. I would have preferred we kept Burgos and let him spend a full season or two at AA or AAA...

I see Nelson as being capable of repeating his performance from last year, so that leaves me, by default, to cast my vote for Wellemeyer.

Here's hoping NOBODY qualifies for this award in 2007!!!

by loyal2s dad on Feb 8, 2007 6:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

even though its is a totally non-hopeful way
I could also see no one winning the award

If Hudson posts a 5.12 ERA again, did he really let us down? Its hard to say.

by royalsreview on Feb 8, 2007 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

while meche doesn't fit
as a Sisco winner, its obvious he will be the pitcher who most lets us down

by FlintHillsRoyal on Feb 9, 2007 12:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why is that?
60% of the time it works every time!

by greggagneHOF on Feb 9, 2007 12:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Man, I'm tired
The Meche-bashing and Moore-bashing due to Meche has just gotten old.  He cost what he cost.  While I've heard of people who might do this kind of thing, I don't go to Wal-Mart and say, "I know the price on the milk was $2.29, but would you take $1.79?"  I hear no one saying about the Cubs, "Ya know, that Ted Lilly deal was insane.  If he doesn't go 19-7 with a sub-3 ERA this year, that contract was a waste."

This was the market this year by average cost per year in millions:
Zito (the only known true ace in the bunch): $18/yr.
Matsuzaka (1/2): $17.2/yr. ($8.7/yr. + $51 million more to deal with him)
Schmidt (1/2): $15.7/yr.
Padilla (3): $11.3/yr.
Meche (3/4): $11/yr.
Suppan (3?4): $10.5/yr.
Lilly (3/4): $10/yr.

During the free agent period, Meche was consistently lumped in with Padilla and Lilly as equivalent talent level.  Their average salaries bear that out (and Padilla signed early, so if he held out he probably could have gotten more).  

If Meche had signed for 4 yrs$45 mil with Toronto to start behind Halladay and Burnett, it would have been lauded as the continued building a possibly great rotation, or at worst, nobody would have thought a thing about it.  The only thing making it a big deal is that the Royals are the one who made the deal.  Well, I, for one, am glad that the Royals are going to try to improve in every way possible, including competing for the same free agents that everybody else wants (the money spent on Meche doesn't seem to be affecting the development of the system---last I heard, we're still expanding in Latin America and still plan on fielding a team for that new low-A affiliate; I find it hard to believe that Moore wouldn't have come to KC without assurances that free agency and system development would be a both/and as opposed to an either/or).

If Meche becomes exactly what he was going to be before this signing---a good 3/4 starter for a few years---then the contract was worth it, as it was what the market was for a potentially solid 3/4 starter.  If people are disappointed he's not better, then the expectations (including the public statements by the organization) were unrealistic.  That KC had to give an extra million and/or an extra year to bring in a sought-after 3/4 starter is part of making a bad team more attractive to a free agent.  That they actually did it shows that the Royals are again an actualy major league team.

To quote grudz69, "Go Blue!"

by CentralChamps2009 on Feb 9, 2007 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This seemed relevant
I found this at "Breaking 100," a Royals blog I just found this week.  It's from a question-and-answer with Moore at a "Speaker's Bureau"

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Q: What did you see in Gil Meche?

A: We often see pitchers who can "throw" but haven't developed the ability to "pitch" yet. Gil is reaching the point in his career where his ability to throw, his power, is meeting up with his knowledge and ability to pitch. It's when these two things meet that a number 1 or number 2 pitcher is created. But look, signing him may end up being a mistake. But if it is, we would still do it the same way. We needed a pitcher and we felt Gil was the best available and we were going to win that negotiation. What the critics aren't telling you is that the Blue Jays and the Cubs were willing to pay what we paid. The Cubs had 4 years, $40 million on the table. The Blue Jays had 4 years, $48 million on the table. They were willing to go to 5 years, but Gil picked us. He wants to be an ace, and we need an ace. You'll just have to trust me on this one. We feel it's a great match.

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Moore also confirms (like we didn't know) that Teahen's future with the organization is as an outfielder.  I found the entry informative.  Here's a link if you're interested in reading for yourself:  http://breaking-100.blogspot.com/

by CentralChamps2009 on Feb 9, 2007 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks alot for that link
i need to attend one of those speakers bureus things

i agree the meche bashing is old, sometimes i just cant help myself though

by royalsreview on Feb 9, 2007 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For the record...
...I blasted the Lilly signing too, just not as much. And the Marquis contract even more than those two. I also made fun of the Mariners for giving Weaver $8 million. And the Giants for giving Zito a contract that ends in 2023.

You know, maybe I just don't like contracts.

by NHZ on Feb 9, 2007 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It has to be Meche
I know he technically doesn't qualify since he hasn't thrown a pitch as a Royal yet but the expectations for this guy have to put him in the conversation.  The fact that this is the guy that the Royals (and everyone else) coveted the most and is supposed to be the ace of our staff and is supposed to bring some respectability to the organization sets him up for a complete blow-up.  If Meche comes out and lays a steaming turd of a season on the Royals it will crush not only Royals fans everywhere but will probably lead to GMDM being more of an Allard Baird figurehead type GM with all the moves coming down from on high.  If Meche bombs the Glass family may never pay for another mid to top tier FA again.  Other than the fact that he has never pitched for the Royals Gil Meche is the ideal candidate for a Sicoian implosian.

by EricConley on Feb 9, 2007 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

moore claims meche was getting just as large
offers from other clubs
a totally unverifiable assertion i guess we'll just have to take at face value

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this quote was also "interesting":

Q: Who do you think will have big years this year?

A: Ross Gload. Ryan Shealy. And certainly having Jason LaRue here will spark the competiveness in John Buck, such that I think Buck will have a great year.

by royalsreview on Feb 9, 2007 1:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Meche offers and the other quote
That news, especially about the money involved, is consistent with the rumors around the Meche bidding at the time before the Royals won it.  The only new news was that the Blue Jays had gotten up to $48 mil. (I remember $45 mil. being tossed around) and were willing to go for a fifth year.  That news would mean Riccardi's reaction to Meche picking KC over Toronto, while still incredibly stupid (Riccardi's reaction, not Meche's choice), is at least more understandable, as that would mean Meche picked KC over Toronto for reasons other than money.  Thus, I'm willing to believe GMDM on that one.

As for the other quote, it really stood out to me when I saw it as well.  Shealy was a no-brainer, but Gload and Buck?  Some possible foreshadowing that 1) Gload's gonna get a bunch of at bats because Moore doesn't think Sweeney's gonna last long at all and Brown and Sanders are trades or a cut (Sanders) just waiting to happen, and 2) the catcher's job is still Buck's to lose?

by CentralChamps2009 on Feb 9, 2007 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dis
Disgruntled is another word that one rarely hears without the dis.  However, I am running a one man campaign to change that.

Hopefully Gil Meche is gruntled by his fat paychecks and status of ace-to-be.

by tfn on Feb 9, 2007 3:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

does that mean...
if you say you're "gruntled" that your happy about something?

Ohh, I'm so gruntled that the Royals will bring back the powder blues!!

by LeoBloom on Feb 9, 2007 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

apparently not really
According to the website below, the dis- of disgruntled is not the same as the dis- of dissatisfied.  It says that gruntled comes from something like grumbling and that put dis- in front of it means roughly "very grumbling".

So I guess if you wanted to say you were happy about something, properly, you would have to say you were undisgruntled.

Boo.

http://www.esmerel.com/circle/wordlore/gruntled.html

by tfn on Feb 9, 2007 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its interesting
that our mongrel language uses "dis" sometimes to mean "no" and sometimes to mean "even more so"

JOe Nelson will be most gruntling in 2007.

by royalsreview on Feb 9, 2007 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So when the team has me disgusted
does that mean I desire to be gusted instead, or does it mean the wind is not blowing at the K?

by loyal2s dad on Feb 9, 2007 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm... a Loyal2 is gusted....
Is this a Missouri thing...because it is not an Iowa thing.  It must be the colder winters up here.  Because I am (dis)???? eager for the season to start.  I am sick and tired of the Moore bashing...and it is put up or shut up time.  Either Dayton did a great job or the peanut vendor is right...we suck...

SO...lets play some ball and leave it on the field...  

BUT... can we all agree to cheer for the Royals or have we lost all of our loyalty to the Blue?

GO ROYALS......

by grudz69 on Feb 10, 2007 12:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've got $5 that says
that Luke Hudson is better than Tim this year. Question is, what exactly would that mean...

by NHZ on Feb 10, 2007 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Redman versus Meche
could also be a fun battle

by royalsreview on Feb 10, 2007 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Redman is
pitching for a MLB team this year??

by NHZ on Feb 10, 2007 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

how great would it be
if NO ONE signed Mark Redman, All-Star?
FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Feb 10, 2007 7:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's Pretty Realistic
to think he may not be signed. MLB.com has him still being a free agent, and I don't know how many teams other than the Cubs look at an ERA near 6 and say "sign that kid up!"
"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Feb 11, 2007 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Redman isn't signed
which means the Royals will give him a couple of million dollars to come in and take Greinke's roster spot.

by EricConley on Feb 12, 2007 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Classic comments...
I am still on the floor laughing trying to peck peck peck on this keyboard
Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Feb 10, 2007 6:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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