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3rd Party Account from Surprise

Although I am unfortunately stuck in the wintry blust that's mericlessly attacking the Eastern Seaboard right now, a lot of the news I have heard recently from Arizona has kept me warm.  I have a friend who has a front-office job crunching statistics for the Rangers and he relayed to me over the phone what their scouts have been buzzing about after observing our Good Ol' Boys in Blue.  He's a displaced Midwesterner like myself, so I trust that although he works for a rival team, he's been following the Royals closely.

A few things surprised me - positive comments on JDLR and Gathright - negative comments on Shealy.  And most surprisingly, the guy thinks that if Butler doesn't make the 25 man roster out of spring training, it would be foolish not to call him up by July at the latest. I kept notes during our call on each player, I apologize if they seem choppy because I'm writing this two days after our call by retyping my notes.

Pitchers

Positives:

Greinke - Outstanding during observed bullpen session.  Filthy, hitting spots with four different pitches. No slow curves.  Never missed a spot in 30 pitches. Made it look effortless. Fastball 90-93.

Meche - Didn't see him throw, but body looks better. Scouts buzzing that his mechanics are more consistent than they ever were with Seattle.  

Dotel - Completely overpowering hitters in ST. Fastball hitting 98 at times with plenty movement. Hitting spots. Swagger (don't really remember how this came up but it's in my notes).

Soria - Came out of nowhere. Best pitcher at Surprise complex right now. Big mistake if not in rotation. Superb control. Deceptive delivery, repeats mechanics well. No fear on mound - beyond his years.

Gobble- Reports better mechanics, especially higher arm slot that's keeping his balls low. Fewer mistake pitches.  Velocity good, avg 91-93 fastball. Curveball tighter than end of 2006.

De La Rosa - Great movement, throwing hard - 93-95. Command still an issue, but missing spots in strike zone in ST instead of out. Mechanics, delivery repeating better than at end of '06.  McClure's project/baby.

Negatives:

Perez - Lost velocity. Hittable. Nibbling too much. Lost weight but looks fatigued on mound. Questionable whether attidude issues from Dodgers are gone.

Wellemeyer - Command/control has been horrible. Regressed to old habits. Arm slot not consistent. Off speed stuff lacking tight rotation.

Position Players

Positives:

Teahen - Body looks great. Always has great attitude. Position change won't be an issue - glides in outfield. No signs of delayed recovery from surgery. More confident at plate than '06 ST. Bat speed better than ever - pulling more balls. Strike zone judgment no longer an issue. Murdering RH off speed stuff. Has added more loft to swing = more power.

Gathright - Hungry for roster spot. Still no power, never will be, but more controlled at plate than in past, working counts. Speed as good as ever. Jumps in outfield noticeably better than in past.  

Butler - Possibly best hitting approach he's seen at the plate for any 20 year old. Gap to gap power. Incredible bat control, quick wrists. Pitch recognition better than most veterans, never looks foolish. Quick adjustments. Reminds scout of right handed Travis Hafner with more patience at plate at his age. Hitting well enough to break camp on the roster.

Gordon - Star in the making. Reminds scout of young Mark Teixeira at plate. Defense better than scouting reports - cannon arm, with accuracy. Great footwork in field. Better athlete than scouting reports. No holes in swing - can't be fooled. Lays off breaking stuff well. Mashes fastballs. Doesn't reach. Veterans' balance at plate. Smart baserunner - long strides. 5-tool talent with instinct.

Negatives:

Shealy - Lost bat speed from end of '06 - swing too long. Reaches too much. Inconsistent uppercut. Pounds mistake pitches but can be exposed by good pitchers. Range in field terrible.

Berroa - Slimmed down, but no results. No confidence. Questionable desire. Looks lost at plate. Still no pitch recognition. Easily fooled. Tweaking with swing too much.  Bat speed worse than ever. Footwork slightly improved in field from end of '06, but lost range. Miraculous drop off in speed does not help mediocre field awareness. Still possesses strong arm but due to loss of range can't position himself well in field. Seems like he doesn't react well to competition. Baseball skills never quite there, tools have diminished remarkably.  

Sanders - Aged. Speed not there - doesn't seem fully recovered from off-season surgery. No longer base-stealing threat. Decreased bat speed = decreased power. Jammed inside easily all spring. Noticeable hitch in swing, possibly from adjustments to try to make up for lost bat speed. Field ok. Good recognition off the bat but speed will continue to diminish.

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Shealy...
Just setting up his Mark Quinn Award-winning performance in 2007.

Love the praise for Butler... too bad the Royals hate his 'tude

FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Mar 16, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bat will play
I could see Butler forcing the Royals hand despite whatever Bell thinks of his attitude.

I have no doubts that Butler could turn into a mini-Pronk in the next five years.

by jmcclain19 on Mar 17, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn theres some good stuff there
you're gonna have to hook us up with some more anonymous insider info at some point

i love the buzz on Dotel and Greinke especially

by LeoBloom on Mar 16, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

meche's mechanics
scouts can say his mechanics are more consistent after, what, 10 innings?

dont know if i buy that

by royalsreview on Mar 16, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A prime example
...of why statheads can be predisposed against scouting.
"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 16, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You always need both
I guess I can never understand why people think you have to be hard core one or the other.

My dream baseball GM is someone who has two top notch lieutenants as Asst GMs, one from the scouting school and one from the stat school - and takes both of their info equally before making his decisions.

If you balance only in one direction - you get Colt Griffen. If you go 100% in the other you get Jeremy Brown. You should aim somewhere in between.

by jmcclain19 on Mar 17, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I totally agree
You definitely need both. Don't misunderstand what I stand for; just because I want stats to be used to their utmost effectiveness, does not mean I think scouting has value.
"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 19, 2007 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than 10 innings
In ST, scouts don't just look at official A-game innings.  They watch players all day long in A-games, B-games, minor league games, bullpen sessions and workouts.  Of course I don't know how much a given scout has seen of Meche, but they see a lot of everybody.

by NYRoyal on Mar 16, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats a good point
FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Mar 16, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Granted
These are 3rd party accounts from a 4th party and game innings are from very small sample sizes.  But as I understood it, these evaluations are coming from A games, B games, full squad workouts, intersquad workouts, individual workouts. KC shares the Surprise facility with the Rangers, so while I agree these are just whims, hopes, and opinions, I trust them more than I would say, a Giants' scout evaluation of Royals players or anything from Dick Kaegel.

by nycroyal on Mar 16, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but Kaegal
has that keen eye to pluck out diamonds in the rough that can hit major league pitching as well as an uncanny knack to recognize the capabilty for leadership on the diamond. That is what we pay him for.

by wildthang on Mar 16, 2007 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree on Soria
I've been lobbying for this guy to be in the rotation since he made Colorado's big three look like A-ballers. He's got great stuff and his poise is outstanding for 22.
royaldaddy-Bob Hamelin's #1 fan

by royaldaddy on Mar 16, 2007 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Too soon for Soria in the rotation
I love what I've heard about Soria both before and during ST.  But rushing Soria into the rotation isn't what is best for him or the Royals.  Too often in the last several years, this organization has rushed prospects to the majors with horrible results.  

Because he's a Rule 5 player, Soria has to stay with the major league club.  But I think throwing him into the rotation would be too much too soon.  The Royals need to bring him along a little more slowly by keeping him in the bullpen and hopefully not giving him the highest leverage innings.

If he's pitching well and there's an opening in the rotation in the second half of the season, I wouldn't object to giving him some spot starts.

Remember, this season isn't about getting to the playoffs.  It is about developing players so that we can get to the playoffs in future seasons.

by NYRoyal on Mar 16, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not the playoffs????
If we are not going to try for the playoffs then why even go out to play.  If we are writing off this year then how do we know that we won't do next year and the year after that... I just don't buy the premise.

by grudz69 on Mar 16, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to be realistic
It is a rebuilding year.  It is not reasonable to believe that this team will be in contention.  An intelligent organization realizes that it is a rebuilding year and plans accordingly.  If you're not going to the playoffs this year, then you should make sure that your moves maximize the chance that you'll get to the playoffs in the near future.

Making moves that might win us 2 or 3 more games this season at the expense of optimizing player development simply makes no sense.

by NYRoyal on Mar 16, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember 2003
Nobody figured we had a snowball's chance in hell that year. We could do that again. I just feel like it's possible.
royaldaddy-Bob Hamelin's #1 fan

by royaldaddy on Mar 16, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember 2003
A bunch of guys played a mile over their heads for 2/3 of a season and the Royals still ended up in 3rd place.

This organization needs to be smart.  They need to rebuild in rebuilding years and do what is best for the near future of the organization.  Thankfully, I think Dayton Moore is smart and he's not going to make silly moves for short-term benefit which hurt us in the long run (when we really can contend).  Unfortunately, I don't think Bell is that smart (see his handling of Huber last year).

by NYRoyal on Mar 16, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree w/NYRoyal
It's hard to be patient after waiting damn near 15 years to even be competitive.  But..that's what we have to do.  We've tried fixing things by rushing everybody and their mother to the big leagues.  Let's try it the other way for a while.

I am also writing this year off.  We aren't going to the playoffs.  We have to start by going out and just being competitive first especially within the division.  I don't think NYRoyal is saying that we should go out and try to win every game.  We should.  But 2-3 extra wins this year instead of 10-20 wins next year and the year after that and the year after that..I think I'll take my chance and wait.

by Stook on Mar 16, 2007 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No fears here
Buddy's strength is evaluating players' fortitude/moral courage/intrepidity and he will do the right thing, if indeed Soria is "No fear on mound - beyond his years".

by chukar on Mar 16, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Butler hits his 2nd double of the day.
two on and one out...can we get them in?

by grudz69 on Mar 16, 2007 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the royals... i'm starting to think they have
a shot

especially if Meche, greinke and someone else pitch well

we KNOW they'll score

FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Mar 16, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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