Breaking News! Mark Redman Signed by Braves

by NHZ on Mar 9, 2007 4:18 PM EST in News

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070309&content_id=1835055&vkey=spt2007news&fex t=.jsp

Perhaps I'm overstepping my authority here, but I felt it was necessary, given the All-Star caliber year that Mark Redman gave y'all last year, to front page the fact the Redman--he of the 11-10, 5.71 ERA season last year (4.1 VORP)--has been inked to a minor league contract by the Braves. Apparently, the motivation for the Tomahawks was that Mike Hampton is hurt again. This signing raises a couple questions:

Why wouldn't you already have a better contingency plan if Mike Hampton is a starter on your team?
Since when has Mike Hampton actually been pitching?
Did anyone notice that Mark Redman backwards is "Kram Namder," which sounds exactly like a 25th century space-faring bounty hunter's name?
How how how how could Redman have "overpriced himself"? Does he think no one noticed his ERA last year?

AND, the most important one:

5. Can Mark Redman outpitch Gil Meche?

I know everyone was just waiting with bated breath for somebody to sign Kram Namder, Gun For Hire so we could ask question five after GMDM dropped the big bucks on Gilgameche. EDIT: use this is the open thread for today's beisbol.

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Glad

Redman finally found a home. He will always be an All Star in our hearts.

by wildthang on Mar 9, 2007 5:09 PM EST 0 recs

R.I.P. Allard Baird Era

Yes, Redman was an All Star. No, he didn't deserve it.

Three words.....

GET OVER IT.

Why don't we focus on this year instead?

by JRaider2005 on Mar 9, 2007 5:25 PM EST 0 recs

Er, the post wasn't intended to be a serious

...knock on Redman's honor or the Royals organization. Personally, I think Meche will definitely outpitch Redman, but some people had brought that up in a thread a couple weeks ago.

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 9, 2007 5:36 PM EST up 0 recs

All-Stars

Meche will definitely pitch better than Redman. I think we will get the same performance that Redman gave us from Bannister for a fraction of the cost. The real bright side heading into the season is that the Royals have some chances to have a legitimate all-star this year, someone who actually deserves to be there. It will be fun to see who our representative will be out of Teahen, DeJesus, Gordon, Sweeney???, Shealy.

lordbyronk

by lordbyronk on Mar 9, 2007 6:19 PM EST up 0 recs

Out of that list

I'm rooting for Shealy.

by The Mustache of Balboni on Mar 9, 2007 7:48 PM EST up 0 recs

On the subject of worthless innings-eaters...

...did anyone happen to hear Kevin Keitzman's interview yesterday with the Belly? The Belly seems to finally understand what we've been saying all along: Berrora's no better than Blanco. In fact, according to the Belly, Blanco has earned at least a shot at the starting SS role on Opening Day. I don't know what you all think, but I think it's huge. Before he was saying it wasn't even a competition, but he clearly said that there's an open race for starting SS between Blanco and Berrora. Exciting stuff. Especially with the way Blanco's hitting the ball with some authority this Spring.

On a hot summer day, is there anything better than a hot grill, a cold Boulevard, and Ryan & Denny on the radio?

by Gordon Roy on Mar 9, 2007 5:33 PM EST 0 recs

this is huge news

FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Mar 10, 2007 1:42 AM EST up 0 recs

Contract terms

Redman will get $750K when he is added to the 40-man roster (which I expect will happen before opening day) and can earn $500K in bonuses.

Boy, this is a great deal the Braves got. Seriously. I don't think much of Redman but if he was available for this price and was willing to sign an minor leauge deal (which doesn't actually mean he would also be willing to actually report to a minor leauge team when the season started) I wish the Royals had paid for him.

As far as him pricing himself out of the market, I just don't understand that. Clearly if he was willing to sign for a maximum of $1.25M he was not pricing himself out of anyone's market. I was expecting to see him sign a multi-year deal for something like $3M/per. The difference between Redman and some of the other FA pitchers who got paid this off season is not too great. If Marquis got $7M/per Redman sure was worth half that sum.

Wow, this deal really looks sweet for the Braves. I have a very realistic view of Redman's ability level, but I do expect he will be a better pitcher this year than De la Rosa. He might be better than Perez.

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by James Quinn on Mar 9, 2007 6:04 PM EST 0 recs

Definitely a sweet deal

for the Braves - low cost, easier league, what's not to like?

lordbyronk

by lordbyronk on Mar 9, 2007 6:21 PM EST up 0 recs

A return

what if he made a return to the All Star Game? As the starter?

by wildthang on Mar 9, 2007 7:03 PM EST up 0 recs

The Deal

Is not actually bad. I hear what you guys are saying, and there's some truth to it. I just don't get why the Braves would do this instead of promoting from within. Kram Namder is average at best at pitching. Bounty hunting, on the other hand...

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 9, 2007 7:05 PM EST up 0 recs

I'll need to check out my BA prospect handbook

when I get home, but isn't the Braves farm system a little bare at the moment?

I think this is a good signing for them. I honestly expect him to cobble together a decent year for them.

by Stook on Mar 9, 2007 8:03 PM EST up 0 recs

Yeah..nothing from within to promote

according to Baseball America. For the price this is a good move for Atlanta.

by Stook on Mar 10, 2007 12:55 AM EST up 0 recs

I'm so baffled

Mark Redman was supposed to be "out of our price range" this offseason. He signed a minor league deal! So, 2 years and 3 mil would have kept this guy in blue. But, we want to start the year with De La Rosa instead? Borat's retarded brother Bilo can see that there's something wrong with that. Redman isn't Roger Clemens or anything, but he'd be a pretty good number 4 in this rotation. I'm so upset by our botching this situation. This is supposed to be management that has changed. When Redman wins 10-12 games and has an ERA around 5 and De La Rosa is looking at 150 walks and his ERA at 7, this will look even worse. He doesn't fit in our long-term plans, but he would make a pretty nice bridge to Future City, ya know? Moore better know what he's doing. This isn't the first time I've really questioned his intelligence. Remember the J.P. Howell deal last year? I still think we could've packaged him with more and got B.J. Upton.

royaldaddy-Bob Hamelin's #1 fan

by royaldaddy on Mar 9, 2007 9:02 PM EST 0 recs

maybe

he didnt want to come back to KC? Maybe he was willing to take less pay to play for a contender.

by wildthang on Mar 10, 2007 12:09 AM EST up 0 recs

Greinke, Day, Wellemeyer

Are all better options than Redman.

by doublestix on Mar 10, 2007 12:57 AM EST up 0 recs

Those choices

I am with you on Greinke, but I can't say with any conviction that any of the following are likely to be more solid than Redman in 2007:

Zach Day
Todd Wellemeyer
Brian Bannister
Dewon Brazelton
Jorge De La Rosa
Brandon Duckworth
Wayne Franklin
Matt Wright

The Royals have a lot of options for the back end of the rotation and there is no guarantee that Redman would have cracked the starting five out of camp, but given the list above, my money would be on Redman to emerge as one of top two who would have jobs on April 1. And even if he didn't make the inital five, if he was willing to pitch in Omaha for a bit I can't imagine he wouldn't be up with the team at some point in the first half of the season.

Redman would have made the team better, and for the price he settled for, he would have been a good addition to the team. Oh well, time to move on.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 12:37 PM EST up 0 recs

But He's Old

Kram Namder is much too old and set in his killin' ways to have an upside, unlike some of the guys you listed.

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 10, 2007 12:52 PM EST up 0 recs

True, he's a bit long in the tooth,...

...but at 33 years old he is not so old that he can't still be effective when KC has it's next good team. Redman might have another three or four years in him before he collapses. I'm hopeful KC will be competitive as early as 2008.

Anyway, it's all academic now. Redman has a new zip code.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 3:43 PM EST up 0 recs

name

Don't you think a 25th Century bounty hunter's name would rather be Namder Kram, rather than Kram Namder? Kram sounds more like a NASCAR crew chief's first name.

by buddyball on Mar 9, 2007 9:48 PM EST 0 recs

i gotta agree with daddy on this one

why didnt the royals try to bring dude back?

i guess redman likes movng his famil around constantly

FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Mar 10, 2007 1:43 AM EST 0 recs

Redman v Meche

Umm... Redman will totally out ERA Meche... think about the AL-NL difference, and the pitchers parks in the NL East

he might be a run better

FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Mar 10, 2007 1:58 AM EST 0 recs

mistake?

I would assume he really didn't want to come back to the Royals. At this price, this deal would have been good for any team in the mlb - it never hurts to have an extra replacement level starter. Anybody who needs evidence of this might look to Jose Lima's stint with the Mets, or Kyle Snyder's with the Red Sox. Even the best teams run out of starting pitchers sometimes.

It also sounds like Redman has a guaranteed spot in the rotation in Atlanta, which has to be his number one priority.

So, in short, I guess what I'm saying is that if you label this as a mistake by Dayton Moore, you have to label it a mistake by 29 GMs. I interpret this more as Redman's decision than as Moore's fault.

by Moose Tacos on Mar 10, 2007 10:49 AM EST 0 recs

I don't see this as a mistake

The guy had a 5.71 ERA last year, and while his peripheral rates indicate that he was unlucky...he was unluncky to the tune of "he should've had an area around 5." His stuff has been decline for a couple years now.

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 10, 2007 12:02 PM EST 0 recs

I think he will be comparable to Meche

This year, at least.

by marbotty on Mar 10, 2007 1:31 PM EST up 0 recs

this the open thread for today's game???

actually get to WATCH it on mlb.com...SWEET...can't wait 'til 4/2 when the video quality becomes twice as good

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:04 PM EST 0 recs

New MLB.TV speed

I'm looking forward to this also. As it is, the quality is OK. The only time when the broadcast looks bad is during fast action.

MLB really has their act together with things like MLB.TV. If the NFL did something like this so I could watch all the Bengal games I'd be happy to shell out $50 or so.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 4:31 PM EST up 0 recs

whoa!

Shealy with a nasty snag at first...WORD

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:07 PM EST 0 recs

Shealy,

better play well. Word on the street is that Gload is about to explode.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 4:17 PM EST up 0 recs

1-2-3

but JDLR never really looks that great...he's a poor man's Rosado

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:09 PM EST 0 recs

Shealy...

looks like a stud...always fielding well...always hitting with confidence...this cats the real deal...looks natural like richie sexson with a more baseball build...I'm happy with my BOY pick

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:39 PM EST 0 recs

watching lilly...

I'm actually glad to have Meche...Lilly looks uncomfortable a lot of the time...notice when a guy gets on base he gets pretty wild...still like the Zito-esque curve, but he looks very skiddish sometimes

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:41 PM EST 0 recs

error...

was a bunch of BS...German deserved a hit...Royals should be up, but as always we have bad luck, hitting the ball hard right at the fielders...1-1 locked up

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:48 PM EST 0 recs

Felix Pie...

dude Coco Crisp has competition!

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:49 PM EST 0 recs

I think I see why JDLR has problems...

he shows emotion on field...when he walked a guy with a really bad high pitch he jerked his head like a 5 year old...this reminds me of that Oakland Raider QB they sent out this year that made Aaron Brooks look like a stud...that dude always had his head down or arms flailing or shaking his head...and JDLR is headed down that path

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:52 PM EST 0 recs

Andrew Walter

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 10, 2007 4:25 PM EST up 0 recs

Cubs folks...

finally a brilliant set of broadcasters that rival the Royals...this is a blessing...talk about Pinella and Guillen is classic

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:55 PM EST 0 recs

JDLR...

is so wild...man...every other pitch

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 3:56 PM EST 0 recs

Hey Phatty Matty

I just logged on. The Jayhawks got K-State wrapped up and will go on to the Big-12 Title game.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 4:09 PM EST up 0 recs

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:43 PM EST up 0 recs

Carlos Rosa

First time I have seen this pitcher. Any information on him?

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 4:23 PM EST 0 recs

ummmm....Gordon's hurt?

just read on kansascity.com dutton's report of an apparently minor shoulder injury. scary.

also... nunez is out for the rest of ST at least with a fracture in his wrist. damn.

On a hot summer day, is there anything better than a hot grill, a cold Boulevard, and Ryan & Denny on the radio?

by Gordon Roy on Mar 10, 2007 4:39 PM EST 0 recs

Eek

Nunez probably wasn't going to contribute much if at all this year, but an injury to Gordon is something to keep an eye on.

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 10, 2007 4:43 PM EST up 0 recs

3-2

Good Guys...Shealy again baby!...oh! more...Gonzalez for a 2 run double...can we come up with a nickname to distinguish the 2 Alex Gonzalez's???

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:45 PM EST 0 recs

What about "the Hottie"

for our own Alex S. Gonzalez? Wouldn't he want it that way?

On a hot summer day, is there anything better than a hot grill, a cold Boulevard, and Ryan & Denny on the radio?

by Gordon Roy on Mar 10, 2007 4:48 PM EST 0 recs

Why "the hottie"?

Is the KC Gonzalez easier on the eye then his evil twin in Cincinnati?

I propose we call the Gonzalez in Cincinnati "Glovie Gonzo" due to his reputation as a good fielder/light hitter, and the KC Gonzalez as,... maybe "Smako Gonzo?" The KC Gonzo is the one who used to hit a lot of homeruns isn't he?

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 4:56 PM EST up 0 recs

"Glovie Gonzo"

...is nowhere near the heartthrob that your current Alex Gonzalez is.

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 10, 2007 4:58 PM EST up 0 recs

Didn't someone say

our Gonzo has his own website on which he's referred to as a hottie?

i thought i remembered reading that here.

On a hot summer day, is there anything better than a hot grill, a cold Boulevard, and Ryan & Denny on the radio?

by Gordon Roy on Mar 10, 2007 5:00 PM EST up 0 recs

If Gordon doesn't play a full season...

this season is a bust...Gordon is sooooo good...he's like ARod type of player...so good all around with just not enough range to play SS...but all the range to play an awesome 3B...I am disappointed hope injury is nothing

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:49 PM EST 0 recs

Oh Jesus

the Gordon / A-Rod comparison might be an overstatement.

On a hot summer day, is there anything better than a hot grill, a cold Boulevard, and Ryan & Denny on the radio?

by Gordon Roy on Mar 10, 2007 4:51 PM EST 0 recs

I'm a Royal's fan...

that was an understatement

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:53 PM EST up 0 recs

and he even...

steals bases!

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:53 PM EST up 0 recs

Your call, man

i love the enthusiasm.

On a hot summer day, is there anything better than a hot grill, a cold Boulevard, and Ryan & Denny on the radio?

by Gordon Roy on Mar 10, 2007 4:54 PM EST up 0 recs

Duuuuuuuuuude...

never really seen Duckworth pitch...he is nasty...I love it!...man his arm looks great...best looking arm of the game so far...he looks very tenacious too...I am surprised the guy I have been rooting for looks the best...so far

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:52 PM EST 0 recs

Ryan and Denny

are really enjoying themselves today. I love when somebody comes in the game who they've never heard of before.

Denny: "Bob Nobody's coming in the game, Ryan. Tell the listeners all you know about him."

Ryan: "He's a good guy. Was a great high school player."

Denny: "He used to be a water polo star. But his school was too small to field a team, so he had to hang up the speedo and pick up the glove."

Hilarious

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by Gordon Roy on Mar 10, 2007 4:53 PM EST 0 recs

damn wish i could listen to WHB...

and watch game at same time...Cubs guys on the T.V. suffice well though

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:54 PM EST 0 recs

Now that you bring it up...

I'm thinking of buying an MLBTV package because I don't have RSTN. Do you know if the RSTN games are blacked out on MLBTV this season? Or would I get all the games on MLBTV?

Thanks

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by Gordon Roy on Mar 10, 2007 4:56 PM EST 0 recs

Gordon

When you go to MLB.TV you enter your zip code and they tell you if you are covered by the blackout rules. If you are covered by the black out, then you can still watch the Royals on MLB, but you have to wait until the game is over and watch them in re-runs. MLB normally posts the completed games in the archives a few hours after they have ended.

I live in the Royals black-out zone but I follow the Reds also. Fortunitely I receive RSTN also so there are very few Royals games not broadcast on TV anyway.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 4:59 PM EST up 0 recs

don't know...

I've tried to check on mlb.com, but the info his hidden...I am gonna go month by month...pay for the first month of the season, find out what its like, and go from there...will still prolly keep it if they are blacked out...because I don't pay for cable and 20 a month is cheap because I can use it on the road at work and I use it nearly everyday...plus I love the idea watching six games at once...while fantasy players constantly get updated

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 4:59 PM EST 0 recs

Nice to see Jorge have a good outing

With Welle in the mix we have a real competition for spots 4 and 5. Who knows, maybe even Duckworth gets considered but I'd be surprised.

by chukar on Mar 10, 2007 5:00 PM EST 0 recs

obviously JQ...

knows the scoop...I am a mere rookie

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:00 PM EST 0 recs

PhattStairs,

where do you live? I bet if you are within 50 miles of KC the Royals will be blacked out for you. Don't overestimate how much I know about this technical stuff. Hell, don't overestimate how much I know about anything.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 5:04 PM EST up 0 recs

Unfortunately...

I live in KS...two blocks in by KU Med Center...the ghetto baby...gosh I can't wait to move to the Northland

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:06 PM EST up 0 recs

KCKS

If you are in KC Kansas then you will be blacked out for sure. I'm in the People's Republic of Lawrence and we are blacked out here.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 5:11 PM EST up 0 recs

figured...

I would be...looks like a lot of drinking at Fric & Frac watching the game...maybe TV would be less than my bar tabs?

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:14 PM EST up 0 recs

2 SBs for German...

looks like he's in shape for 2B...no more pot belly

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:02 PM EST 0 recs

I'm excited to watch Butler...

fumble a ball in the OF

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:03 PM EST 0 recs

I'm wondering how many posters on this site

might actually be better in the OF than Butler. Kid can rake though.

by chukar on Mar 10, 2007 5:05 PM EST up 0 recs

'member...

how Guiel would Chuck Knoblach throws into the stands over 3B from RF...oh the memories...how cool would this outfield be...Kung Fu Quinn in LF, Phatt Stairs in CF, and Vile Guiel in RF???

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:04 PM EST 0 recs

and we had the nerve to stop Chuck...

from playing 2B...see the Royals aren't concerned with entertaining the crowd

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:07 PM EST 0 recs

Duckworth...

looks like he'd be a nasty reliever...does anyone agree how good he looks???

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by PhattStairs on Mar 10, 2007 5:08 PM EST 0 recs

"Smako" Gonzo

looked pretty bad on that throw to 1B. Good thing Shealy was on the job. If Gload had to jump like that for a throw he might up unsettled his internal potential enough to finally cause that explosion we've all been told to expect.

Ducky did look good.

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by James Quinn on Mar 10, 2007 5:09 PM EST 0 recs