Game 74 Open Thread- Royals (29-44) at Brewers (41-31)
As we eagerly await the resumption of the old Brewers-Royals American League rivalry, the news this afternoon is that the Royals have signed John Thomson to a one-year contract. (Don't call him "Thompson", the Thomsons and the Thompsons don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, this goes back to the sixteenth century, when the Thompses sided with the Holy Roman Empire, while the Thoms aligned themselves with the Hapsburgs.) Perhaps most importantly, something about the Thomson signing pushed the heretofore mysterious and straight-laced annoymous writer behind the team's official front office blog over the edge:
As for tonight's game, it'll be started -- as you know doubt already know -- by the man who brought Wednesday's classic to an abrupt end with his fifth pitch to Ryan Ludwick in the 14th inning. Interestingly, skipping away from Jorge de la Rosa (4-8, 5.33 ERA) for a second, Buddy Bell cited Royal passivity as the culprit behind the offensive shutdown in extra innings Wednesday night:
What game was he watching?
Perhaps this is just a question of definitions, as "aggressive", especially in the world of jocktalk, can mean just about anything I suppose. Nevertheless, if Bell seems to think that the Royals were passive or overly patient at the plate, then I think he's mistaken.
Cardinal Pitchers in Ex. Innings Wed.
-Izzy: 8 batters faced, 41 total pitches (5.125 P/PA)
-Cate: 6 batters faced, 20 total pitches (3.333 P/PA)
-Wells: 8 batters faced, 30 total pitches (3.75 ERA)
That data for Wells is also including an intentional walk to Mark Teahen. In a 14 inning game started by Todd Wellemeyer, the Royals drew one non-intentional walk and struck out 11 times, so maybe he's trying in his own Buddy-way to complain about strikeouts. Still, I'm not sure what conception of aggressiveness is an answer here.
To return to tonight, the matter at hand is the question of George of the Rose's ability to be a functional major league starter. As Bob Dutton so wonderfully put it, Rosey's on a month-long slide from "reliable starter to ragamuffin". Meanwhile, the Brewers counter with our old league-average, robotically consistent friend Jeff Suppan (7-7, 4.69 ERA).
Incidentally, "ragamuffin" is a very old word. The earliest known usage is by Langland -- "ragomoffyn" actually -- in Piers Plowman back in 1393. While Langland was using the word to describe a demon, as a noun for "a ragged, dirty, disreputable man" ragamuffin shows up as early as 1581. In Dekker and Webster's The Famous History of Sir Thomas Wyatt (1607), we get the line "What set of Villaines are you, you perpetuall Ragamuffins?"
Be us ragamuffins or not, clearly, we'll cherish our memories of tonight's game well into our dotages.
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And I thought
by loyal2s dad on Jun 22, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
What a Monty Burns word
"What a big word, my little ragamuffin."
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And here I thought
What a rivalry
The rivalry continued from Wisconsin as the Royals and Brewers would hook up numerous times throughout the years. On June 19, 1974, Steve Busby would once again humiliate the Brew Crew by allowing just a George Scott walk in the second in a 2-0 no-hitter, the first in team history.
The Royals franchise ascended quickly, with a winning season as soon as 1973 and a division title by 1976. Meanwhile, the Brewers languished, failing to field a winning team until 1978, when the Royals were winning their third straight division title.
The Brewers finally won the AL Pennant in 1982, their only non-strike year post-season appearance. While Royals fans may lament their 22 year playoff drought, Milwaukeans have had to suffer an amazing 25 year playoff drought. In fact, since their AL Pennant in 1982, the Brewers have had just five winning seasons, and none since the John Jaha days of 1992.
Players who have played on both sides of this rivalry:
Tony Graffanino
Mike Boddicker
Elmer Dessens
Bob Hamelin (he was a Brewer????)
Curtis Leskanic
Graeme Lloyd
Paul Bako (BAKO!!!!!)
Buck Martinez
Darrell Porter
Jim Pittsley
Kevin Koslofski
Frank DiPino
Glendon Rusch
Kevin Seitzer
Jaime Quirk
Jim Sundberg
Jeff Suppan
Jorge de la Rosa
Jim Colborn
Mark Davis
Bob McClure
Wes Obermuller
Ken Brett
Marty Pattin
Thad Bosley
Brian Shouse
Pee your pants Brewers fans!
lineups are ... up
D. DeJesus cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
E. German 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255
M. Teahen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284
E. Brown lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .247
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .228
R. Shealy 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .214
J. Buck c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262
T. Pena Jr. ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
J. De La Rosa p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Buck back down to 7th, urg
aside from the pitcher
by FireBell on Jun 22, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
order slightly diff
by FireBell on Jun 22, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Shealy Before Buck
With the exception of German
In fairness
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Let us not also forget
DDJ walks
we need to win this game after wednesday nights heartbreaking defeat of heartbreakingness.
Nice intro
Nice.
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
TEAHEN!
I hereby
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
We had first and third with Emil up and one out
yea jdlr
Rose seems to have brought his good stuff
oh well
So, does LaRue get to catch Thomson?
Hey, for Sheals
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
i like it too
Check out
Note the cat-like quickness by Prince to get in front of that ball.
Stuffed cat-like quickness.
He has the range of a flagpole.
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
ok what happened?
i am so confused right now...
Uh
Our most productive hitter threw his bat at ball four.
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
jdlr still looking impressive
hopefully our offense can make up for his mistake earlier and we will go home happy...
What was that movie where Nick Nolte
Beaten To The Punch
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
GORDO!!!
come on bucky, we need AT LEAST another run here, probably two cause jdlr isnt as hot as he was earlier on.
come on bucky, show bell who the real cleanup hitter is!!!!
The cleanup role for Buck
Tomorrow can we bat the pitcher eighth and Buck ninth?
Did anyone see we traded Nunez for Milton Bradley?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2913711
Not quite sure how I feel about this....Bradley seems to have trouble everywhere he goes.
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
I love that move
The best part of the trade
Two years ago I saw the Royals play a couple of games at Jacobs Field. I was sitting next to fans from Charlotte when Nunez entered with the Royals trailing 4-1 and nobody on base. I predicted that Nunez would make it 10-1 and before Cleveland was through batting in the seventh, the Royals indeed were down 10-1!
Put it this way, I've been more impressed with Scott Elarton than Leo Nunez!
what does this mean?
frankly, ive always LOVED bradley but not quite sure how he fits in with this club, we take on salary and while a very good player i dont see how he helps out the team long term.
the only way this deal could be a good deal for us (that i can see) is if he can spin bradley for more than nunez after 6 weeks of good-to-great play and no off-the-field problems. this does go along with the rest of moore's offseason trades though, giving up "baird guys" who had been rushed to the majors and who moore obviously thought would never be successful in the majors.
remember, moore is from chicago where they seemingly never rush prospects, so when he takes a look and realizes that these guys were rushed he apparently feels the need to trade them away while they still have value. it has worked out so far getting gload and banny for sisco and burgos, and nunez is not as highly regarded as the other two. again, i dont see the point if we cant resign him at the end of the year but im sure he has a plan.
ive learned to trust moore...
i guess we -could- resign him
like i said, i LOVE milton and hope he can be successful, have always loved his talent...
attaboy TPJ!
at least we tied it though, hopefully jdlr will keep it up...
Milton Bradley
The Smothers Brothers
makes sense
thats why super mario bros. was such a smash hit...
jdlr is losing it folks
at least we traded for milton, so we can tlak about that all night...
one positive sign
19 balls
5 K's
that is pretty impressive and while he has been hit hard, at least he is staying in the strike zone.
Wild In The Zone
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Emil Needs Tweezers
Written Backwards
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of the Mario Brothers reminds me
The Nick Nolte movie
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
From SF Chronicle
Atlanta hasn't scored in three games...
Asked specifically if character issues led to Bradley's departure, Beane said, "Is Milton a fiery, emotional guy? Absolutely. He's not the first guy to be like that in this game and we don't get to the playoffs (last year) without Milton. As far as speculation, you can speculate all you want. I'm not going to contribute to that in any way. We had to manage our roster and it was time to go a different way.''
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
KC Teams
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, was that really sheals batting?
anyways, come on bucky lets drive sheals in and tie this sucker.
no one likes suppan anyways...
I think this whole new career high in HR's
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
okay
His sixth---SIXTH---this year in 161 ABs [to go with THREE Home Runs!]
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
buck 0-2 with 2 K's
right?
It's A Great
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to go pick up Milton Bradley in the RR
and they'll be a more fighting team
Seriously though, unless we're flipping him for something better [which could be a stellar mad scientist move by GMDM] this is a chance for BB to prove some worth.
How many times have we heard, 'he has the respect of his players' 'he gets the best effort out of the guys'?
Okay, let's see it. Let's see BB get Bradley in line and unlock his talent.
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
At least this year's Royals are a fighting team
Charles Newhouse
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
No kidding, I know we're still
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
Is Ron Artest
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Braves just got shut out
I'm calling it now. Bradley is a Bravo by this time next week and we get some piece back that we evaluate as being better than Nunez.
Note the absence of any team statement on Bradley, not even a perfunctory "we think he can help us." The dog that didn't bark can be the biggest clue.
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i always liked graffaninio
EACH SIDE OF A TRADE baby
and neither one worth a damn
by FlintHillsRoyal on Jun 22, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
and even if he doesnt, he could stick in the bullpen.
i have no idea what you have been watching, jdlr is definately worth a damn...AT LEAST
hmmm...
Trade this!
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
are you kidding me
a bum!
what the hell, Daryl May was better than this
by FlintHillsRoyal on Jun 22, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
are you serious?
62 strikes vs. 31 balls is good, plus the brew crew have one of the better offenses in the national league.
im not sure why you are so down on jorge, he still has a future with the royals.
Tony's
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
Our Gold Glove SS
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
Buddy Makes Another
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
TPJ's been kind of a streaky fielder this year
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
Don't know if i'd call it interesting....
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions
neal musser
Kinda Like Tommy
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
At Least
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
Wow Royalsdaddy
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
He's A Thief
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
More in general than specific to Musser, but
I don't know, the idea might be half-baked.
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
A 2 Base Walk!
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Tony Pena's mental incompetence
big K there
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
What about German walking back to his position
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta Give It Up
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
all is well
musser is actually impressing me this go around, i was critical of his recall but he has an ERA of (im pretty sure) ZERO in AAA in like 20 innings. i guess that will always warrant a call up and this time he is actually performing up to standards.
im liking him more and more.
Teahen Hitting
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
I Have
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
Damn
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions
Just Managing
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
man on 2nd
foul ball
ball four outside. Two on two out.
Here comes the homeless guy.
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Nick Nolte?
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What Do You Get
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Very Good
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you get if you
I don't know either but if it lands on you you're a goner!
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Um
opposite field jack 10-5. [Charlie Brown siiiggghhh]
by howserfan on Jun 22, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
you'll be glad you didn't see that
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Nolte
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
We Definitely
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Royals just canceled the Bradley trade
by u l washington's toothpick on Jun 22, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Are Sure It Isn't
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
An Acute Mental Case?
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
Got it from the KC Star and Bob Dutton
by u l washington's toothpick on Jun 22, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
Ladies And Gentlemen
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Costa Rules!
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
wow
billy beane, you dirty whore. trying to trade an injured player coming off the dl, didnt think we would catch it?
i love the beanester so im hoping that he had no idea of the injury, but it will be hard to deny...
Beano is full of gas
by u l washington's toothpick on Jun 22, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Apologies to Johnny Lee
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
turnbow='roids user
yet somehow, he didn't destroy our national innocence
Our National Innocence
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo Injured Headcase Trade
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
same here.
i bet GMDM knew about the injury all along. yet he still made the trade to get the word out on his injury. then, no one would be interested and he would have to be released. it is clear GMDM is enamored with milton, if we can sign him to a contract then that is perfect. we give him a month or so to test his oblique and calf, if he hits we will be able to pick up something valuable. if not, then it isnt a big deal and we see if he has a future with this team...
i love that theory.
Hey all
Damn, how many freaking balls are we going
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
Got to have a taker first
by u l washington's toothpick on Jun 22, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
Girardi
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
We can rule out Detroit and Colorado
by u l washington's toothpick on Jun 22, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
Let's Get
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Let's Crack
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Already
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A-Gor
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
Damn
by powderblue on Jun 22, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Oh F'in Well
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
or 5 years from now
by FireBell on Jun 22, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
3 straight losses
by FireBell on Jun 22, 2007 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
ohh
by FireBell on Jun 22, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
We Get
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7371;_ylt=Ar1ALABezlfjz7bDCy4F4aEc0bYF
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
BTW
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
Brandon Rush's Knee
by philofthenorth on Jun 22, 2007 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
Oh God!!!!!
I am speechless... I sort of expected a let down after 14 innings... but Damn...
All I can say is we will see you tommorrow...CRAP!!!!!
by grudz69 on Jun 22, 2007 11:58 PM EDT reply actions














