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A Conversation with Kansas City Star's Sam Mellinger

This week we had the pleasure of speaking with one of the hippest young sports journalists in the nation, when Sam Mellinger joined us in the penthouse studio of Royals Review's East Coast Bureau Office, via satellite.


The Marb Center in Washington, DC is just one of the legion of office buildings that comprise the sports world's largest media conglomerate, Royals Review International.

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Royals Review: Mr. Mellinger, thank you for the taking the time to talk with us.

First, we'd like to get your thoughts on the most exciting, and most surprising, recent development by the Royals: we're actually winning games.

Now that Alex Gordon seems to be turning it around, the bullpen's settled down, and we have guys like Gathright and Butler contributing for the parent club, is there any reason to think our current level of success is sustainable?

Building on that question, when do you think we'll be competitive again, and will we have Buddy at the helm at that time?

Sam Mellinger: I do think it's sustainable, if by "sustainable" you mean that the Royals will continue to progress --- not that they'll continue to beat John Lackey with John Thomson.

And I hear a lot of fans wanting Buddy Bell fired, but I don't see it happening. A manager can only have so much affect on a game. The most important things, to me, are that his players play hard and respect him. I think Buddy's got both those going in his favor. I'm not sure how the last few years are his fault, but more importantly, I don't get the sense from the decision makers that Buddy is in any real immediate danger. A 14-game losing streak could change that quick, but barring something drastic, I think he's safe through the rest of the season.

Your other question, I know this is a football town and every Monday in the fall the Chiefs are either winning the Super Bowl or never winning
another game in some people's eyes, but the Royals need patience right now.

I've thought all along they wouldn't lose 100 games this year, and I've thought all along the W-L should not be the main way this franchise is judged this season. They're making progress.

They're making improvements. A lot of it is infrastructure, like if you completely update the plumbing and electrical in your house you're not going to get the "bang" if you build a phat new deck. But in the long run, your house is better off. I'd say realistically you can expect more wins next season, and .500 or close to it might be reasonable to expect in 2009.

RR: Looking back at the draft, the Royals surprised a lot of fans when they went with Mike Moustakas with the second overall pick. Many thought the top two talents after David Price were Georgia Tech's Matt Wieters and high school pitching phenom Rick Porcello.

While the Boras factor may have soured the Royals on taking either of these guys, did it make sense to go after another Boras client in Moustakas?  How much do you think signability influenced this pick?  

Sam Mellinger: Signability was certainly an issue. Dayton said as much in the press conference, and we've had him quoted as such in our paper. The Royals just aren't going to spend $8 million for a draft pick, and I can't say I blame them. Moustakas is likely in line for a much more reasonable bonus, probably a little more than Gordon ($4 million) but not unaffordable.

It should also be noted that the Royals picked the guy they wanted. Vitters may have been a less expensive option, but they went with the guy they wanted, and I think that's a good sign.

RR: You wrote last week that Moustakas thought he would sign "soon."
Could you tell from talking with him how soon that would be?

Sam Mellinger: Mike did seem very excited about starting his pro career, how soon that will be, I'm not sure. He's letting Boras and his father handle most of that. Mike really wants to sign, and the Royals really want him to sign, so I'm expecting it to happen.

RR: Soon after Dayton Moore first joined the team as GM, he was lauded for making trades that helped replenish the number of pitchers we had in our minor league system. When he shipped out Burgos and Sisco prior to the season, he was praised for getting rid of guys with questionable character.

With the attempted Milton Bradley - Leo Nunez trade, Moore seemed to be thumbing his nose at both of these previous plaudits, in that not only would he be diminishing our stockpile of young arms, he'd also bringing in a guy with one of the worst reputations in the league. To make the
trade even more puzzling, Bradley is a free agent at year's end.

What was Moore thinking? Or, to put it more succinctly: WTF?  

Sam Mellinger: Bizarre, right? They have more than enough outfielders already.

Bradley is good, but he's not Babe Ruth. You could argue it was an I'm-sick-of-this-crap-and-not-taking-it-anymore kind of move, I'm not sure. The offense has struggled, and there's something to be said for trying something new when the old way isn't working.

The free agent thing, there is the argument that the Royals could be in line for an extra draft pick by losing Bradley to free agency.

Honestly, I'm not sure. Seemed like a curious move to me, too.  But I get paid to write stories, Dayton gets paid to make decisions. It's also worth pointing out that the move didn't go through, so this is kind of like crying over spilled milk, only if the milk never spilled.

RR: On the subject of trades, you wrote an excellent article recently
about the Carlos Beltran trade, and how well it has worked out for the Royals. Considering that both Buck and Teahen are considered cornerstones of the franchise now, would it be fair to say that Baird has been vindicated a bit?

Do you think he may have received a raw deal in KC, or were the number of losses compiled under his watch too many to overlook?

Sam Mellinger: Thanks for the kind words. First, something I didn't get to in the article that maybe I should have: isn't it weird how quickly things can change? Last year, when Teahen was in Omaha and Buck was scuffling, it looked the trade was as smart as fighting Kimbo Slice. Now, it looks like they got two good pieces so it's a really good trade.

I think Baird has received something of a bad rap around here. The Beltran trade is the biggest move he made, and it's turning out to look pretty good for the Royals. The Sweeney deal gets crushed a lot, but at the time nobody really knew about the back problems, and it looked like they were signing one of the game's premier right-handed hitters, an unquestioned character guy, for below market value. Also, and most important, I think it's easy to forget that he wasn't exactly fighting a fair fight. His hands were all kinds of tied and he just didn't have the resources that are now available to Dayton Moore.

That being said, there is more than enough evidence to say he was deservedly fired. Everyone knows that. I think he's even said that. I just think it's good to remember that the Royals' failures during that time were not all Allard Baird's fault. The Juan Gonzalez and Benito Santiago and Dye-for-Neifi moves get Baird deservedly criticized, but when you do that, it's only fair to give him credit for Buck, Teahen, Butler and Gordon.

RR: Finally, are there any side projects that you're working on that we should keep an eye out for?  

If you're looking for an idea for a book, may I suggest writing one about Buck O'Neil, and a road trip across America? I'm pretty sure nobody's done that yet.

Sam Mellinger: No books or anything Poz-y like that. Repainting my basement and getting set to meet my four-month-old nephew next week are taking up most of my spare time. Got a couple things coming --- something on Sunday that you might want to save until after you've eaten.

As for Joe's book, my bias is surely obvious, but I think he did a great job producing something that goes way beyond baseball. My wife's baseball knowledge is basically that Derek Jeter used to date Mariah Carey, and she loved it.

RR: Thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions.

Sam Mellinger: Any time.

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Great interview
Mellinger seems like a smart cookie.

And I hear a lot of fans wanting Buddy Bell fired, but I don't see it happening. A manager can only have so much affect on a game. The most important things, to me, are that his players play hard and respect him. I think Buddy's got both those going in his favor.

I agree. Buddy's moves can drive me nuts sometime, but look around the league - there are managers making bad moves every night. He's actually handling the bullpen quite well recently (it helps they are actually pitching well), and aside from constantly bunting Joey G, who doesn't have pop anyway, he doesn't seem too infatuated with the sacrifice. I can live with Buddy in the short term.

As for Allard getting vindicated - p'shaw. The Beltran trade has ended up being pretty good. That's what he was supposed to do. It doesn't erase the fact he had Jermaine Dye, Johnny Damon, Paul Byrd and Joe Randa, and all he got in return was Mitch Maier and one good year of Angel Berroa. Maybe he had his hands tied, but you don't think Terry Ryan has his hands tied in Minnesota? Billy Beane doesn't have his hands tied in Oakland? Larry Beinfest doesn't have his hands tied in Florida? Baird was awful at the amateur draft and could not develop any kind of farm system. His evaluation of pitchers was terrible. He was frankly one of the worst GMs in baseball in the last 25 years.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 28, 2007 11:21 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed
lets not bend over backwards for Allard getting value from one of the 5 best players in baseball
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jun 29, 2007 12:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

incredible
its awesome that he took the time to talk to you

i'm surprised he put up with your somewhat touchy questions marbotty

What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jun 28, 2007 12:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know that I'd say "touchy"
so much as "whiny."  

I think that says something about Sam's character that he's graceful enough to put up with that.  

It probably also says something about my inexperience as an interviewer - I hope the questions were provocative enough, but I certainly could have been a bit more professional about it.

 

by marbotty on Jun 28, 2007 1:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

enjoyed reading this
mellinger seems like good people

is he the beat writer, or is that still Dutton?

I have Morgellons.

by DyeFan187 on Jun 28, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jun 28, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

his comments about the Buck trade
really ring true for me, it is odd to think about

i was one of the wrong ones: i thought buck and teahen had completely peaked/stagnated

the other weird thing is that Dotel was a part of that trade as well, and he's now... a Royal

by royalsreview on Jun 28, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Was Thinking About
Writing a diary about the Beltran trade. The question; would you now go back and undo the trade? It seems I'm not the only one ruminating on the subject, so, would you?
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jun 28, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Think The Cash
We got from the Astros makes it a no-brainer.

"June 24, 2004: Traded as part of a 3-team trade by the Kansas City Royals to the Houston Astros. The Oakland Athletics sent Mike Wood and Mark Teahen to the Kansas City Royals. The Houston Astros sent Octavio Dotel to the Oakland Athletics. The Houston Astros sent John Buck and cash to the Kansas City Royals."

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jun 28, 2007 12:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think the A's would
they didn't seem to get much out of the deal

i think the astros are still happy with what they got

by FlintHillsRoyal on Jun 28, 2007 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'd undo it...
... but I'd consider the other offers.  Remember Baird turned down Youkilis and Shoppach from Boston, and Navarro and Cano (whom NY moved to 3B to showcase him for Baird's demands of a 3B and C) from the Yankees:

Shoppach (now with Indians), currently hitting 382/455/676/1131, career 275/336/456/792
Youkilis 335/419/505/924, career 289/389/443/832

Navarro (now with DRays) 188/252/274/526, career 242/316/338/654
Cano 270/307/407/714, career 308/334/472/806

Buck 253/348/559/907, career 243/301/423/724
Teahen 293/370/425/795, career 273/341/437/778

Also, it's interesting that of the three 3B possibilities, none are currently playing 3rd (Youk at 1B in Boston, Cano at 2B in NY, Teahen obviously in RF/1B).

by Cu Chulainn on Jun 28, 2007 1:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which shows
Also, it's interesting that of the three 3B possibilities, none are currently playing 3rd

Which shows the idiocy of Baird demanding to fill a certain position rather than trying to get best talent available.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 28, 2007 2:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Verified?
First, do we know that Baird was offered those deals?  Has that been verified?  Or were these just rumors and/or unconfirmed reports?  Often there are rumors that this or that offer was made and rejected, but those reports are very rarely confirmed.

Second, the Youkilis/Shoppach deal would have been better.  But the Cano/Navarro deal would have been worse.

by NYRoyal on Jun 28, 2007 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From the KC Star article
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/163730.html

"Meanwhile, the Royals achieved baseball's highest form of leverage when the Red Sox started talking. They had third baseman Kevin Youkilis and catcher Kelly Shoppach.

That drew the attention of the Yankees, who had catcher Dioner Navarro and tried to interest the Royals in Robinson Cano -- whom they temporarily moved to third base -- or Eric Duncan.

Baird didn't have much interest in any of those players."

The Sox deal was similar (Teahen is younger (25) than Youk (28), Youk has more protection in his lineup, Shoppach doesn't have enough regular AB's to say he's better than Buck), but the Yankees offer was definately worse.  I'm happy with the trade.

I'm with loyal2'sdad about Baird, just pointing this out.

by Cu Chulainn on Jun 29, 2007 1:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What was said is interesting
The Star says that Sox had these guys and the Yankees had those guys.  But the article doesn't say that the offer was made.  It just said Baird "didn't have much interest" in those players.  Youkilis was thought of as a big time prospect by the Red Sox at the time.  They were offered many things for him and declined every time.  I'll believe they offered Youkilis and Shoppach for a rental of Beltran when I said that said straight out from a reliable source.

This isn't about defending Baird.  For the most part, I think he stunk as a GM, with a few positive exceptions.

by NYRoyal on Jun 29, 2007 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beltran Trade
You have to give credit to Baird for the Beltran trade.  The other possibilities don't look better to me.  Youklis is good, but Teahan is better.  I even thought Mike Wood was a good pitcher, but he is stuck in AAA with a good record.

I also thought Beltran was overrated.  I never really saw him carry the Royals.  And with New York, he cost the Mets a trip to the World Series by taking strike three in game 7 against the Cardinals.  However, I don't know why in the world the Yankees did not sign him, when they obviously needed a center fielder and I think they could have got him for less than the Mets paid (he wanted to be a Yankee).  Of course, I think he would have failed as a Yankee and, when all is said and done, he will not succeed as a Met.

One trade that Baird should have made was Dye for Soriano.  Can't believe he turned that down.

by brian on Jun 30, 2007 6:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank You Sam
If he sees this, I'd like to say thanks to Sam for taking the time to talk to us fans through the blog. He's a very good reporter and I hope he gets a column someday.

by FlintHillsRoyal on Jun 28, 2007 12:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great job Marbotty....
Even though I disagree with his opinion on Buddo the rest of the interview was very good.  He seems like he has a better handle on things than some of the big beat writers.

Anyway, great job and thanks for sharing it with us.

by grudz69 on Jun 28, 2007 1:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I probably want Bell fired as much as the next guy
Unless the next guy is "FireBell."  

But I think Sam brought up very compelling arguments regarding Buddy.  

On an emotional level, I still want him fired, but from a logical standpoint, I can see why Dayton is willing to keep him around through the end of this year and perhaps next.

by marbotty on Jun 28, 2007 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

although, this is a self-perpetuating problem
I still don't know why GMDM didn't fire him after the end of last season, it would have been totally justified on many levels, and everyone would understand GMDM has/had a right to bring in "his own guy"

now we're seemingly stuck with Buddisimo

by FlintHillsRoyal on Jun 28, 2007 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Youkilis
I love Teahen, but that deal with Boston may have been better. Still, considering we were not going to sign Beltran, of course you make that deal again.

I remember another rampant rumor at the time - Jimmy Gobble for Kevin Mench  

Interesting, as we are still looking for that slugging outfielder today. In fairness to Gobble, he has developed into a very useful part, and Mench has not been quite as good as some may have projected him to be.

by loyal2s dad on Jun 28, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another trade rumor
I was doing some research on Paul Byrd and found some trade rumors that really hurt now. Paul Byrd for Orlando Hudson? How awesome would it be to have O-Dog now? Marcus Giles was also rumored, but the Braves were reluctant to part with him.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jun 28, 2007 2:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good Stuff, But
Great interview, insightful...

My only bone with Sam is the argument that Dayton now has more resources than Allard had.

To me, it is part of a GM's job to sell his abilities/ideas to ownership.  If Dayton has convinced Glass to open the pocketbooks, then that makes him more successful at his job in at least one aspect than Allard was.  

Everyone assumes it's dumb luck that the budget is higher now, but I think persuading ownership to spend is part of the job--a job that Allard failed miserably.

by Tarnished Crown on Jun 28, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Defending Allard
Moore had the advantage of being able to persuade ownership while he was still working for the Braves - a huge distinction, in my opinion. Moore could dictate under what conditions he would or would not be willing to work, while Baird was already stuck in KC, without much leverage to persuade.

I still contend that Dan Glass was the person tying Baird's hands. There is even evidence (statements by Randa) that deals sending vets for prospects were nixed by Dan Glass. Joe Randa is on record as saying he was dealt to the Cubs for three prospects, only to have the deal vetoed by Dan Glass at the last minute. THAT IS HAVING YOUR HANDS TIED, and that constitutes HAVING LESS RESOURCES (i.e., decision making ability) than GMDM has.

by loyal2s dad on Jun 28, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with teahen
we finally got the above-average third baseman league-average OF we've always needed

by FlintHillsRoyal on Jun 28, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or will it be
the league average first baseman we've always needed?

by loyal2s dad on Jun 28, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

possibly below-average as a 1B
which has been the Royal curse for decades now

by FlintHillsRoyal on Jun 28, 2007 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine article...
Sam is right in that the guys do play hard (especially Buck(wild)! for BB. However, all that hustle goes for naught if poor decisions are made game-wise and personnel wise.  What he did with Huber last year and Butler his first time up this year were asinine. He has taken the top outfielder and best arm, who is the one guy out there who can consistently get assists, and apparently made him into a part-time 1st basemen, meaning this is his 3rd postion in less than a full season.  Buck is the best power hitter on the team and only plays 60% of the time (guessing).  

If "good baseball men" and likable guys made for great managers, Yogi Berra would still be managing.  Give me no-nonsense guys like Leyland who know how to manage people and the game over a guy who people "play hard for"

by buckwild on Jun 28, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wonder what his sunday piece is going to be
if i'm not supposed to be eating while reading it

by LeoBloom on Jun 28, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great work marbotty
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jun 29, 2007 12:33 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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