Game 58 Open Thread- Royals (21-36) at Devil Rays (23-31)
After being shut down by an inspired J.P. Howell, America's Sweethearts look to rebound this afternoon in a getaway day matchup against Tampa. With a victory, the Royals would move to 22-36, a full two games ahead of Texas for the non-worst record in the American League.
Shouldering that immense burthen is Gil Meche (3-4, 3.00 ERA), fresh off a life-affirming 7.1 IP, 1 ER, performance against the Orioles last week. After starting strong, Meche's BB to K ratio has been faltering, and he's now at 23 walks and 57 Ks, after owning a 16 to 47 ratio just three starts ago.
The Rays counter with James Shields (4-0, 3.13 ERA), a delightful young man making his 33rd career start. Shields will earn $349,000 this season, proving he's no mound-match for our Gil.
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lineup:
D. DeJesus cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .257
E. German 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
M. Teahen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
M. Sweeney dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .176
E. Brown lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .226
J. Buck c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
R. Shealy 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .223
T. Pena Jr. ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
Fifth
by David Howards Legacy on Jun 4, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
In other news
by Berroa is the devil on Jun 4, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
Akinori Iwamura out for a few days
Just one of his eyes?
by Berroa is the devil on Jun 4, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
dont look now
Akinori Iwamura can't look now even if he tried
by Berroa is the devil on Jun 4, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Bell commented on why
Sandwiching him between Gordon/Brown and Pena/Shealy just seems like the best way to isolate his hits and squander run-scoring opportunities.
With a guy with his OPS, he should have at least 10 more rbis and runs scored.
Exactly, that is
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He really is.
Good to see Meche is having a fine start. ERA back under 3.00!
Anybody see
And they brought up Ryan Bukvich.
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap... Pena golfs one out of the park...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
That'll teach Navarro!!!
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jun 4, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
Yep -- that top of the order is veerrry
Good thing they've got Norton batting cleanup, though. I guess Bell's not the only guy who doesn't know how to construct a lineup.
Young players make mistakes...
....Gordon swings at everything.
....Greinke thinks he should pitch every 2 or 3 days like Cy Young.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jun 4, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
two easy outs.... crap...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
Breathing easy...
Gotta take your blessings where you can find them. This franchise doesn't need any no-hitter dirt kicked on its grave this season.
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
And, we strand another man....
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Game Day has to be wrong
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
We have 24 games until midseason...
Good catch Dej...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
Silly question
Gordon's ball appears to have been hit to warning track. What did the radio guys have to say - was it a good swing, etc? Should I be encouraged?
(Note - if Bob Davis is doing the radio, forget it - no objectivity possible for that guy. He's a terrible homer)
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
Earned run?
If so, the HBP would have stayed at 1B on DeJesus error, would have stayed at 2nd on the "sac fly", and would have ended the inning at 1B; therefore, it should be unearned?
DeJesus did drop a flyball or something, didn't he?
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Back to back doubles...crap....
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
Finally.... crap...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
I hate this team
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
Way to go Buskster.... and he is batting 8th...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
shields
Meanwhile, Gordon's brief period
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Hell of a catch by T.....
Harris a former Cub prospect... I think he got up in the top 10 in the org.
Another good catch by T.
Okay, close this out Meche....
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
Between innings quiz
Hideki Okajima
A J Burnett
Fernando Rodney
Mark Buehrle
Justin Duchscherer
Joe Kennedy
Cliff Lee
James Shields
What do these guys have in common?
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
Our defense is working today...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions
Quiz answer
That list is more than a league avg representation of pitchers, IMHO - it looks pretty good, doesn't it?
I'd be willing to start hitting Buck 4th or 5th and see what happens. I love Sweeney, but move him down to 6th or 7th; we have had a large vacuum in those spots all year - what do we have to lose?
(Should have made this a diary - but Buck's HR today off a guy the rest of the team has no clue against sorta set me off...)
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
It still begs the question
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap nothing works for us... crap..
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
Buck batting 8th is one of soooo many
FIRE THE CLOWN AND HIRE A VET...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Great AB by German
(Wiping dripping sarcasm slime off computer screen)
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
Just jumped into the game
It is difficult to listen to and follow this team. Switching the lineup might be one of the problems - no consistency. Feel badly for Meche and the rest of the pitchers.
During Inning Quiz
J. Shields
J.P. Howell
J.P. Howell
J.P. Howell
Chad Orvella
Shawn Camp
S. Kazmir
S. Kazmir
Ryan Shealy's most recent strikeouts
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Quz guess
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
while technically correct
I also would have accepted: "Five guys that have never been in my kitchen."
Kazmir and Shields are not
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
TB channeling their inner-Royal batter
I think one could merge these two ballclubs together and STILL not have a .500 team when completed.
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Lack of taking pitches
Either Brown gets on so Buck can tie it
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
Let's give Gil the rest of the day off.
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
They are just not good
Unfortunately, our Royals are not good at either, and the entire organization has lacked a consistent hitting approach (starting in Rookie ball on up), so much so that nobody can even describe what the hell our philosphy is even SUPPOSSED to be!
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
Homer call of the week
I would let that go, if he had said
That would take too much analysis and insight by Brian.
An alternative would be to take a rip at the Royals hitters, including the batting coach. If McRae doesn't think that's appropriate, in all fairness it should at least be raised as a possible discussion point.
Of course, this would be in a fair world where the announcers are hired by the radio station, not by the team...
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions
Have you seen anyone lately who has
Add tfn
Couldn't have said it better - I want Meche around for years 2-5 if he's gonna pitch like this - so occasionally its OK if he goes "only" 97 pitches...
Besides, our bullpen has been doing a pretty damn good job for about a month now...
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
actually, in Bell's defense
How many assists does Teahan have to rack up
Sad part is
Kinda depressing, when you think about it...
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
I guess I wasn't kidding about Brown needing
God Bless You, John Buck
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
Buck is our all star
Buck has way better offensive numbesr
BTW, Costa PH for Shealy?
How far has Shealy's stock sunk?
That's a stock you might as well use to wallpaper the bathroom...
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
Wallpaper
Shealy is not this bad. Neither is Alex Gordon. But it sure gets tiresome waiting for them to get back on track.
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We need
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
Buck as all star
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
....what???
With the juggling of the lineup
You may fill in the sarcastic joke about unarmed dueling here ____________.
Yay, Shawn Camp time.
The only team with a worse coach than the Royals
Good news for the Royals. Bad news for those of us that haev Shields on our fantasy team.
by balto on Jun 4, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
Seems to me that taking Shields out
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
WTF
I know we need to trade LaRue, but can't Buck DH on days he isn't catching? WTH? seriously...
It would give Sweeney a chance to be that
David with a very high leg there, same thing
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
No come back today guys
Yep, SOS, and Meche is cursed by these guys
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
loyal2 and I
Sweeney could play 1B to keep his bat in the lineup on those games, and bench Shealy.
Seems too simple.
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
All of Buddy's lineups and
sween
Maybe the better answer is to let sweeney catch over LaRue? HA!
by David Howards Legacy on Jun 4, 2007 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
can dhs...
dhs
by David Howards Legacy on Jun 4, 2007 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Prediction
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
Why was he screaming?
He played some first while Butler was up,
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
Kinda wondering why Gobble had to come in
Not insanity as long as the TB manager is
He's letting Pena hit and the dude is like .140 against lefties.
by balto on Jun 4, 2007 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Talk about BAD management
Man, the TB manager is the only guy I've seen that is worse than Bell.
by balto on Jun 4, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
Nevermind, apparently even the numbers game
Let's see a very solid Lefty against a poor hitting lefty against lefties. Oh sure they score.
by balto on Jun 4, 2007 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the pop up double
That play didn't have to be played
Worse, why do you pitch around Norton to get to the guy who already had 2 extra base hits and a walk?
Grud obviously lost it, but can also blame playing
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
Braun?
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!
Let's see - Duckworth hasn't pitched in a while, Dotel has gone one inning three days ago, Riske pitched 1.2 innings two days ago...
Does Bell even understand the concept of leveraging your bullpen appearances?
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
re; Bell and lineups
Han (DC): Along the lines of crazy strategy questions from DC... When was the last time a team tried placing two pitchers on the field at the same time (one in RF, I guess) and swapped them back and forth for lefty/righty matchups?
Joe Sheehan: Herzog and Johnson both did it in the mid-1980s, and you can probably dig up the occasions over at Retrosheet. (God bless Retrosheet!)
It's a high-risk tactic, and we have a pool of managers right now that is as risk-averse as any group of 30 people in the world. It's a weakness in the game right now.
You could do that with Greinke -- kid has a pretty
I didn't even know such changes were legal
Royals, perhaps more than any other team, are
If we're gonna lose, let's not lose as cowards. Let's lose with a little ingenuity.
They should just call those automatic outs in that
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions
If they're going to keep Gordon up here
Where Would
by philofthenorth on Jun 4, 2007 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I apologize
We're in great shape!
If Buck bats, it will HAVE to be with him representing at LEAST the tying run or better!
Go Royals, you're the best!
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, that switching pitchers thing
Okay, explain to me why you let
Costa needs to hit the trail to nowhere.
And then Gobble.... he must miss his kid or something. His brain wasn't there today.
I just don't understand Moore... the Clown should be gone by now.
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
Here we go, leadoff man on, expect 1 run
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with RR
I don't remember where I read it, but somebody once concluded that it made more sense to use a good closer in a game you were behind one run than to just use him for the save with a 3 run lead in the 9th, like all the automatons in baseball do now...
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:51 PM EDT reply actions
There's another textbook stupid move
We need Brown to K here-
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
If it weren't for Buck this would have been
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
pinch runner makes sense
Newsflash, Buddy: We're down TWO.
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
ARGHHH!!!!!!!! Why is Berroa still
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
Need HR, Buck, not 1B or 2B
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
1 more fearless prediction
well the game ended
we battled, but Shields is a baller. Damn, we'll have to work harder.
By the way, this loss has absolutely nothing
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
That was an
Then again, we all are rather use to excruciating losses, aren't we?
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
I'm telling you
I hate this team
I should just take a sabbatical until 2009 or thereabouts.
by tfn on Jun 4, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed Chukar, but
I would dare say pointing out that Bell should find out if playing Buck everyday will help the team IS relevant.
Other teams with good catchers (Piazza, Mauer, I Rodriguez) have been willing to use said catchers at DH on game they don't start, and I dare say with success.
I'm not saying Buck is in the same league as the guys mentioned above, but on THIS TEAM, he is DEFINTELY one of our better hitters this season, and as such Bell should be creative and find SOME WAY for him to play nearly every day.
by loyal2s dad on Jun 4, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed you can have Buck DH
Sweeney and Brown gonna get ABs cause you want to move them, again for the future. Then you want to work in German. Theres just no room for Buck DHing until those guys are moved. I only hope DM will move quick with these guys.
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed in part, but we have seen enough
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And, again our award winning offense
The Bucsss have it today.
Buc's 4 and John Buck 2.
Meche actually pitched a half ass game.
Meche (L, 3-5) 6.0 4 3 2 1 3 1 3.00
If he had any kind of a team offense behind him we could have backed him up.
We have to do something fast to upgrade our offense. Cleveland is looking really scary to me.
Three pitchers with winning records facing our lackluster offense. Can you spell losing streak coming on.
FIRE THE CLOWN AND HIRE A VET...
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Whe Your DH
It is time flush the toilet...
Tupman could sub as well as Lala. Bring up Butts and stick his ass in LF and leave it there. Good or bad we need his bat. Either A. or C. are better than Berroa. Lastly give Brazell a chance. Shealy is just not capable of getting it done.
This loss may not be because of the lineup card or use of pinch players. But Buddo's dogged love of some players over others is getting old fast.
FIRE THE CLOWN.....
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
Grudz
Lala and Brownie will be moved, and I'd bring Gatt up now to see if he can spark anything and rest DDJ more. Butler gotta figure out 1B before coming back. And Berroa, yes and throw in some liquid plummer to clean any residue he leaves on the way down the pipe.
by chukar on Jun 4, 2007 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why firstbase for Butts?
Gordo really needs to go down. He just look lost today. Poor guy, I can't even imagine what he is going through. Give him and us a break.
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, the main problem is ...
we're the poor sister to teams like the Devil Rays and Orioles and Mariners... which is sad
And, you know what...
The old line that "you can't make silk purse out of sow's ear" applies to this team.
Well supper is ready and the news is on... So say goodnight Gracie!!!!!!!
by grudz69 on Jun 4, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Costa
I like the trade idea and Omaha would
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